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A65877	The pernicious way of the rigid presbyter and antichristian ministers detected and several weighty matters (in controversie, betwixt Sion and her adversaires, or between the true church and the false) discussed : to inform both magistrates, ministers, and people,	Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.	1662 (1662)	Wing W1945; ESTC R22439	27,993	34

forth persons zealously to things that is just holy and good and now he tells you it is the true Spirit of God and so is plainly to be known it 's well that at length he speaks some Truth though to his own confusion as all that are sober may easily see M. C. accuseth one of us with saying That Christ was never seen with any carnal eye nor his voice heard with any carnal ear and to prove it cites a Book entituled A Declaration to the Baptists pag. 13. and another with saying That the Flesh of Christ is a Figure for which he cites Saul's Errand c. pag. 14. To the former of which I say Christ as he is truly to be seen and known in the Spirit is a mistery not seen nor heard with the carnal eye or ear with which agreeth his saying viz. He that seeth me seeth him that sent me who is not carnally to be seen neither had the unbelievers either heard the voice of God or seen his shape though he spake by his Son Christ and some that outwardly Christ spake to understood not what he said because they heard not his Word Joh. 8.19 43. 12.45 2. And as for the words in Saul's Errand p. 14. what is said of Christ there as also in pag. 8. hath relation to his coming in the flesh as therein being an example as in Pet. 2.21 and not in relation to the receiving his flesh in the mistery as it is the Believers meat for that is the substance but as to his outward manifestation in the flesh he was God an example which was the very intent of the words Example or Figure being used in the said Book for in some sence they have relation to one thing as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and whether is it better for us to say that Christ as in the flesh was an example or for M. Caffin to say That in one sence the flesh of Christ profited nothing as he hath in pag. 41 set any rational man judge of this And M. C. saith That the eternal Spirit which dwelt in the man whom the Jews crucified which Spirit the Apostles received in them is not the Christ the Saviour of the world but the visible man c. I answer Here he seems to divide the man Christ from the eternal Spirit and so hath denied the eternal Spirit to be Christ but saith the visible man is Christ when as the Apostle saith The last Adam was made a quickning Spirit and the Lord is that Spirit 1 Cor. 15.2 Cor. 3. And if the eternal Spirit be not the Christ but the visible man then it follows that when the Apostle preacht that Jesus Christ was in the Saints he did not intend that the eternal Spirit was in them but the visible man which is both absurd and false But in answer to several cavils and objections made against us we own the true Christ both as he was of the seed of David according to the flesh and in the dayes of his flesh that he was the true Christ but not without the eternal Spirit and the Son of God with power according to the Spirit of holiness who said Before Abraham was I am and as to his dying and rising again according to the Scriptures and as now glorified with the Father in the same glory that he was in before the world was This we confess according to the Scriptures without any such blind distinction as M. C. hath unjustly cast upon us And M.C. saith That the Quakers to deceive intend not the Truth namely that the visible man whom the Jews crucified wi●hout was the Christ. Answer This is a slander for they confess that Christ was crucified and died as concerning the flesh but was quickned by the Spirit 1 Pet. 3.18 M. C. God thereby bearing false witness to the world if the eternal Spirit which the Apostles afterward received in them be the Christ which Spirit never was slain never had blood to shed Answer This tends not only to render the Apostles as false witnesses who knew Christ in them and dwelling in their hearts and the second man to be made a quickning Spirit though before that he was known by some after the flesh and in the dayes of his flesh but also M. C. hath contradicted himself in pag. 46. where speaking of Christ of whom the Jews said he had a Devil but the Disciples knew him to be the Spirit of Truth he saith and in pag. 42. M. C. saith of Christ viz. Yet now henceforth saith the Apostle know we him so no more that is to esteem him upon that account viz. upon his being born of the Tribe of Judah and of the Seed of Abraham or for that reason meritoriously the Saviour of the World but rather upon the account of his coming down from Heaven his being the Son of God c. How sadly is M. C. lost and confounded herein one while to deny the eternal Spirit to be the Christ and to say but it was the visible man that was Christ another while to say as that he is not to be known or esteemed upon his being born of the Tribe of Judah but upon the account of his coming down from Heaven what then was he a visible man as he came down from Heaven or as he came of the Tribe of Judah and Seed of Abraham Here all may see this mans gross ignorance and confusion And what if the eternal Spirit never was slain never had blood to shed as in M. C. his account it doth not follow therefore that he is not a Spirit who descended from Heaven as such a one and in time took upon him flesh and blood Heb. 2.14 and was put to death as concerning the flesh who was the true Christ both in the dayes of his flesh in that low estate of suffering and in the state of Glory wherein he was before the world began And as to his condescention low estate and suffering as manifest in his People who have born in their Bodies the dying of the Lord and his blood or life which is poured forth and freely laid down of himself and fed upon in the Mistery by the Believers M. C. is not in a capacity to receive what might be said thereof And now to mend the matter he saith of Christ his being a quickning Spirit That if the Spirit as Spirit be the last or second Adam then it follows that the first man Adam who was of the earth earthly was first and before the eternal quickning Spirit pag. 42. 43. Answer Would any rational man have laid down such an absurdity as this for here he cannot deny but that the second Adam was made a quickning Spirit as in 1 Cor. 15. but would not have him as a Spirit to be the last or second Adam for if the Spirit as Spirit saith he so he would render the Apostles words false but I say Christ being called the second Adam which is the Lord from Heaven was

discern between such as are Serpents and such as are Lambs for we know the Promise of God fulfilled which saith Ye shall discern between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not and between the Righteous and the Wicked Mal. 3.10 and we neither judge of things before the time nor yet do we judge as these that have a beam in their own eye who are forbidden to judge but in the Spirit which hath opened and cleared our eyes do we speak the truth and appeal to the witness of God in every mans Conscience Again C. VV. hath condemned himself in the thing he allows for he forbids others to judge and yet he himself hath oftentimes judged us as for being in error setting up a false Light for keeping pride still in our hearts for refusing to pay Tythes from or out of covetousness for lightly esteeming the Rock of our Salvation for not following the Light which is in the Word for insolencies disorders and affronts for being tossed to and fro with every wind of Doctrin for being railers and revilers for consulting with flesh and carnal wisdom for having a mistery of iniquity in the midst of us for condemning all the settled Ministers of the Gospel c. These aspersions and accusations against us which are dispersed through his Book with many more of the like nature we do absolutely deny as being slanders that are unjustly cast upon us by him who hath taken upon him in hypocrisie to forbid others to judge as also his saying in pag. 7. That all sober-minded and serious Christians who are settled in the Truth do judge that the inventers and fomenters of our Way are the Jesuits and the Papists Satans subtile and busie Factors purposely to disturb the Truth amongst us in England c. Answer They who do so judge concerning us and our Way are neither settled nor established in the Truth of Christ for as for our Way it is the same that the holy men of God and true Christians of old owned and were in and it is Christ who is the Way the Truth and the Life whom we own which was never invented nor fomented by either Popish Jesuits Papists or Satans Factors And a clearer Testimony have we given against Popery than any of you who are in the Popish practice of taking Tythes and Sprinkling Infants and in many other things and principles both as to your education at Colledges that were built by the Papists and in your Preaching in their Mass-houses which you falsly call Churches and several other things wherein you agree with the Papist and are out of the Scripture example and Saints practices and then to save your selves would be accusing us of Popery And thou C. W. Hast accused us in pag. 7. For being very plain in our Garments and Apparel but alas sayest thou doth the Power of Humility consist onely in these External things why the Papists themselves in this External Humility do very far excell us for they Cloath themselves with Sack-cloth go bare footed c. yet saist thou Do I not like of their Religion neither can I approve of yours because it is like theirs Answer This is but a silly Argument either from thence to deem us Papists or to disapprove of our Religion for going plain in apparel is both according to the example of the Saints and the Apostles Doctrine who gave Testimony against both vanity in Apparel Pride of life and the Lust of the Eye which was after such things 1 Tim. 2. 1 John 2.16 and had we not better be in plainness of Apparel then in Cuffs Ribbonds and such like Fooleries as many of the Clergy-men wear And shall we be accounted Papists because we are in the Apostles Doctrine and shew an Example of Moderation and Sobriety to others and therefore must our Religion be disapproved of this is as bad an Argument as if C. W. had judged all to be Papists that Profess the Name of Christ and own the Saints Practices because the Papists do Profess his Name and in some things do Immitate the Saints or must we disown the Truth in any thing because evil men do Profess it and make a shew of it If C. W. have learned no better Logick then this he had better never have gone to the Vniversity to have learned his Trade and that Cost that was bestowed upon him for Learning was very ill bestowed but herein the World may see his weakness as they may see his falshood pag. 6. in his saying these words to Robert Howton viz. That which we demand from you is none of yours but ours for our Tythes were never purchased by your self or by your fathers before you c. which how false that is let all both Farmers and Free-holders in this Nation witness who when they Buy a Stock of Cattle all at their own charge for the Managing and tilling their Lands and Tenements and when they Buy the Corn they sow their ground withall and when men have purchased Lands by their own proper Cost and Charge and every part and parcel thereof for their own singular use as the Evidences are and are at so much Cost and Charges with Managing of them then for the Priests to claim the Tyth of Cattle Goods Corn Hay c. to claim it as their own and say it s none of theirs who purchased both the Lands Goods and bought the Corn by which it was sown let any indifferent Persons judge of their falshood and unrighteousness in this thing IV. Of the Light within both Natural and Spiritual Men. And as concerning the Light that is within C. Whately accuseth us With shamefully undervaluing the Holy Scriptures and setting up a false Light that is within us above the true Light that is in the Scripture for it is our constant language look to the Light that is within you not knowing that we are by nature wretched miserable poor blind and naked and therefore it is that the Lord hath given us his holy Word which we call the Scriptures to be a Lanthorn to our feet and a Light to our paths What you call Light we may well call Darkness p. 6. As also he saith pag. 9. You do lightly esteem the Rock of your Salvation the Truth of Christ c. all this proceeds from hence because you follow that Light which is in you and not that Light which is in the Word and Spirit c. Answer In these things are we very grosly wronged and the Truth much abused by this our Accuser For 1. We neither undervalue the Holy Scriptures neither do we lightly esteem the Rock of our Salvation either in Preaching the Light within or any other principle held by us but therein do both own the Rock of Salvation and the Scripture for it is the Light of Christ the Rock of Salvation and no false Light that we Preach and own which is the true Light that enlightens every man that cometh into the World Joh. 1.9 And