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A66974 Two discourses concerning the adoration of a B. Saviour in the H. Eucharist the first: Animadversions upon the alterations of the rubrick in the Communion-Service, in the Common-Prayer-Book of the Church of England : the second: The Catholicks defence for their adoration of our Lord, as believed really and substantially present in the Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist. R. H., 1609-1678. 1687 (1687) Wing W3459; ESTC R16193 65,860 80

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to_o catholic_n with_o s._n austin_n very_o unreasonable_a similiter_fw-la etiam_fw-la say_v he_o epist_n 118._o januario_n siquid_fw-la horum_fw-la tota_fw-la per_fw-la orbem_fw-la frequentat_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la nam_fw-la &_o hinc_fw-la quin_fw-la ita_fw-la faciendum_fw-la sit_fw-la disputare_fw-la insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la est_fw-la and_o graeci_fw-la omnes_fw-la say_v bishop_n forbes_n de_fw-fr euchar._n l._n 2._o c._n 2._o as_o well_o as_o the_o roman_a church_n adorant_a christum_fw-la in_o eucharistia_n et_fw-la quis_fw-la ausit_fw-la omnes_fw-la hos_fw-la christianos_n idololatriae_fw-la arcessere_fw-la &_o damnare_fw-la §_o 28_o v._n last_o beside_o this_o great_a body_n catholic_n have_v since_o luther_n time_n in_o the_o reformation_n no_o small_a number_n of_o protestant_n i_o mean_v such_o as_o be_v the_o genuine_a son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n proceed_v thus_o far_o as_o to_o confess_v both_o a_o real_a presence_n of_o our_o lord_n body_n and_o 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adore_v i_o mean_v with_o divine_a adoration_n nothing_o visible_a or_o sensible_a at_o all_o nor_o any_o substance_n invisible_a wherein_o any_o thing_n that_o occur_v to_o their_o sense_n inhere_n but_o only_o understand_v christ_n body_n present_v there_o where_o their_o sense_n can_v no_o way_n certain_o and_o against_o any_o pretend_a divine_a revelation_n inform_v they_o either_o when_o it_o be_v present_a or_o not_o since_o salvis_fw-la omnibus_fw-la phaenomenis_fw-la all_o appearance_n grant_v most_o true_a such_o a_o presence_n be_v possible_a §_o 29_o these_o rational_a ground_n of_o catholic_n for_o adoration_n which_o we_o expect_v shall_v have_v be_v most_o strict_o examine_v by_o those_o who_o conclude_v the_o roman_a practice_n herein_o idolatry_n be_v slight_o pass_v over_o by_o daille_n in_o pronounce_v that_o this_o error_n of_o catholic_n vient_fw-fr toute_fw-fr entiere_fw-fr de_fw-fr leur_fw-fr passion_n apolog._n des_fw-fr eglis_n reform_v c._n 11._o p._n 90._o and_o after_o in_o reduce_v all_o their_o ground_n thereof_o to_o a_o la_fw-fr seule_fw-fr authorite_n du_fw-fr pape_n &_o the_o son_n concile_v and_o by_o dr._n taylor_n real_a pres_n §_o 13._o p._n 346._o in_o call_v they_o some_o trifle_a pretence_n make_v out_o of_o some_o say_n of_o the_o father_n elsewhere_o indeed_o when_o he_o be_v in_o a_o more_o charitable_a temper_n liberty_n of_o prophe_n p._n 258._o he_o say_v that_o for_o a_o motive_n to_o such_o a_o opinion_n roman_a catholic_n have_v a_o divine_a revelation_n who_o literal_a and_o grammatical_a sense_n if_o that_o sense_n be_v intend_v will_v warrant_v they_o to_o do_v violence_n to_o all_o the_o science_n in_o the_o circle_n but_o prudent_o there_o omit_v their_o plea_n of_o catholic_n tradition_n secure_v to_o they_o such_o a_o literal_a sense_n of_o the_o text._n dr._n stilling-fleet_n rom_n idol_n c._n 2._o §_o 7._o say_v first_o that_o if_o a_o mistake_n in_o this_o case_n will_v excuse_v the_o romanist_n it_o 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