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A35131 Rebellion rebuked in an answer to a scandalous pamphlet entitled The Quaker converted to Christianity &c. written by one William Haworth ... and William Dimsdale ... / by John Crook, William Bayly. Crook, John, 1617-1699.; Bayly, William, d. 1675.; Crisp, Stephen, 1628-1692.; Stout, Mary, 17th cent. 1673 (1673) Wing C7212; ESTC R27638 40,731 115

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which more may be written by another Hand towards the End of this Book as also a further Account from Hartford where he dwells concerning him which I would have the Reader take good notice of And in that he saith The Light by which the Heathens did the things contained in the Law Rom. 2. which shewed the Work of the Law written in their hearts is not the Light of the Spirit of Christ he is found a Denyer of the Scriptures John 1. 9. and Tit. 2. For if every Man that cometh into the World be lighted with the Light of Christ then the Heathens and all other Men were lighted And if the Grace of God which brings Salvation hath appeared to all Men then it appeared to the Heathens for they were Men and came into the World And herein W. D. thou contradicts thy Companion and great Adorer of thee W. H. who calls it the Deity Godhead as aforesaid and the Godhead is the same Spirit or Life and Light which was in Christ Jesus as it is written Col. 2. 9. which is Grace and Truth John 1. 16. 17. So then it was the Light Spirit Grace and Truth which was in Christ Jesus That appeared to the Barbarous or Heathen People by his Confession And so now let this Tree be judged of by its Fruits according to the Young man 's own Saying and let us see what kind of Fruits it bears for I have read That Men do not gather Grapes of Thorns nor Figs of Thistles and that A Good Tree cannot bring forth Evil Fruit neither can a Corrupt Tree bring forth Good Fruit Mat. 7. Luke 6. 43 44. So by this true Rule let all who reads and tastes of these Fruits judge of this Tree the Light First pag. 7. It assented to the Words of Christ and his Apostles 2dly It Convinced him of Sin and Reproved him and called to him when he was going or thinking to Steal and it kept him from obeying that Temptation about the Herrings though he loved them and had a brave Oportunity to steal or slip one into his Pocket 3dly It caused him to be of Few Words and kept him from Lying or telling of Lyes 4thly It delivered him from Sinning outwardly and from doing any Wrong to his Neighbour 5thly It gave him Strength or Power to do that which was Good Just and Right in the Sight of God and Man 6thly It convinced him of one Sin or Evil one day and delivered him from it and another day another Evil and he had Power over it 7thly He had Joy Peace Quietness of Spirit and Comfort in Obedience to it Reply Now whence or from what kind of Tree cometh these Blessed Fruits and Effects if not from the Tree of Life Or who is the Author of or from what Spirit comes this Light if it be not the Light of Christ Jesus Is it not the Spirit of Truth that convinceth of Sin and keeps from Lying and Stealing and wronging of Neighbours and leads into all Truth to do that which is Good and Just and Right in the Sight of God and Man And was not that their Comforter who were lead and guided by it Did it not give them Joy and Peace and Comfort when they were obedient to it Read and understand Or who gives Peace to his People besides him And is it not the same Grace of God which Paul declared of Tit. 2. which taught them to deny all Ungodliness and Worldly Lusts and to live Soberly and Righteously Then did it not teach them to deny Lying and Stealing and Wronging their Neighbours and to do as they would be done by according to Christ's Doctrine Or is there any other Spirit or Light which can deliver from Sin and give Power over it but what is of Christ Jesus Is it not written of him That there is no other Name under Heaven by which Men can be saved or delivered And is he not called the Deliverer and Counseller who is the true Light that lighteth every man that cometh into the World Read the Scriptures and consider these things Acts 4. Isa 59. John 1. 9 Is it not the Light of Christ that makes Sin manifest Eph. 5. And doth not the Apostle say in that same place vers 8 9. The Fruit of the Spirit is in all Goodness Righteousness and Truth So judge of this Tree by its Fruits if it be not all Goodness Righteousness and Truth which it brings forth And doth not W. H. say It is the Spirit that maketh known Sin which is not seen before Mark Then whensoever any one seeth Sin it is the Spirit that makes it known for it is not seen before And that it was the Godhead in which the Barbarous People saw c. Acts 28. And yet how Enviously he Clamours against the Quakers in his confused dark Mind calling their Spirit Delusion and their Doctrine Antichristian like the Foolish Clamerous-tongued Woman Solomon speaks of whose Feet are without pulling down her own House How do you think your Babel will now stand when ye thus throw up and pull down your own Work and Revile us for the same Truth you acknowledge in Words like the Hypocrites of old who said They had one Father even God and yet called Christ Jesus Deceiver and Blasphemer and judged him worthy of Death because he acknowledged himself to be the Son of God who was truly so John 19. 7. So read your Spirit and Way which is not like Christ Within nor Without though thou sayest you have both but the contrary appears in thee And ye are more like the Mad-Man Prov. 26. who cast Fire-brands Arrows and Death at you know not what comparing the Light of Christ to Pharoah or Egypt and Light of Nature Contemning and Undervaluing it as if it were not of God but what ye know not like the Jews one while A Good Man and then Nay but he Deceiveth the people So you one while it s the Deity and then Nay it s Not the Light of the Spirit of Christ but the Light of Nature Thus are you confounded about that which delivers from Sin and Temptations from Lying Stealing and doing Wrong and keeps out of Evil and gives Power over it and convinceth of Sin and reproveth for Sin and which gives Strength to do that which is Good Just and Right in the Sight of God and Man and Joy and Peace in it Take heed of the Sin against the Holy Ghost for it is near when that which casts out Devils is called Belzebub Your Reproaching of us is little to us but beware how you sport your selves with a Consuming Fire and be you Warned in time for your own Souls sake And consider your Confusion and Darkness Whether the Lord requireth Obedience Service or Worship to any other Light or Spirit of Christians but his own or what Tree or Plant would the Heavenly Father have to grow but what is of his own planting as it is written Every Plant which my Heavenly Father hath
c. Answ We own the holy Scriptures which say If we confess our Sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our Sins and to cleanse us from all Vnrighteousness c. 1 John 1. 9. But Confession of Sins ought to be performed from the Sense of the Evil of Sin upon the Conscience and not out of Formality and Custom only as most do Yet we say where the Heart is sprinkled with the Blood of Christ from an Evil Conscience at that time and whilst remaining so Thanksgiving is proper to be given to God for Praise is comely for the Upright And such know the Blood of Christ to be a speaking Blood it speaketh saith the Apostle c. causing that Soul that is washed with it alwayes to be mindful of it and truly to prize it For the Ransomed shall pass with singing when the Hypocrites shall remain in Bondage notwithstanding their daily Confessions Thou say'st Jesus Christ of Nazareth c. brougbt this Righteousness c. Answ If thou believest that none were really saved or made Righteous by the Righteousness of Christ till then or after that time thy Faith is contrary to Scripture which calls Christ s Righteousness an Everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9. 24. Isa 45. 17. Micah 5. Yet we believe Salvation only by that Jesus which witnessed a good Confession before Bontius Pil●t● c. For answer to the Heathens Knowledge of God's Vengeance and Sight in the Deity c. I refer the Reader to the Reply to the Young-man's Book but for thy own Knowledge of it I find thee like the Pharisees of old fleeing from the Wrath to come by casting all God's Vengeance upon Christ an Easie Way if thou couldst so e●cape it by imagining his doing and suffering God's Pleasure to be reckoned thine by a bare Belief of it wholely without the● Here we differ in our Account I say according to Dan. 9. 24. speaking of Christ to finish Transgression and to make an E●d of Sin and to make a Reconciliation for Iniquity and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness c. I know and believe Salvation by the Imputed Reckoned and Real Everlasting Righteousness of Jesus Christ brought nigh which in the Fulness of time was manifest in and by him and in due time really made mine by the Work and Application of his Spirit in my Inward Parts and that God is well pleased or satisfied in and with him in whom I am accepted and not for Works of Righteousness that I have done nor yet for the Works sake only or quatenus Works though wrought in me by his Spirit but in and for the sake of him that works all our Works in us and for us according to Isa 26. 12. But thou believest to be saved by a Righteousness wholely without thee Reckoned but not Real which Righteousness Christ wrought One Thousand Six Hundred Years since not that we undervalue that Righteousness nay cursed is he that so doth really no nearer to thee then the place where he personally lived and dyed Now it is the great Lord of all that must view both our Accounts for the Goods we have received of him Mat. 25. 14. therefore I leave them both to him to determine which is Right This may serve for Answer to much of thy Epistle touching this Subject For Proof of thy Belief thou sayest We are made Righteous in the same way he was made Sin but he was not made Sin by Inhesion or really as thou speakest else-where for he knew no Sin therefore by Imputation Answ The same Way when Christ knew no Sin nor was any Sin inherent in him must we then be made Righteous without either knowing or enjoying any real Righteousness in us as this Comparison holds forth But did not Christ Really suffer and bear our Sins in his own Body upon the Tree Did not he suffer under the Burden thereof upon whom the Iniquities of all were made to meet But besides if we are made Righteous in the same way in all things that he was made to be Sin for Sin is mention'd in the Abstract then we must be without or free from all manner of Good as he was without or free from all manner of Sin or Evil which destroyes the Doctrine of Sanctification the New Creature c. where all things are of God In the next page save one thou affirmest That the Gifts and Vertues that the Spirit of God works in our Minds is our own Righteousness 1st Because our Souls are the Subjects of it And 2dly Because it is really in our Minds therefore ours and yet in this place thou sayest Christ is really our Righteousness as thy self interprets Jehovah Tsidkenu What! one while he is really Righteous and another while not Real but Reckoned I would not wrong thee but thy words are plain but more of this afterward Thy calling William Penn a Novice manifests only Pride in thy self but is no Proof against him and the truly Considerate will account thy Charge upon him to belong to thy self till thou hast confuted his Arguments Thou sayest If Christ Jesus had the Guilt of Sin really charged upon him c. Answ What! dost thou suppose the Innocent Lamb of God to be really guilty of Sin What Blasphemy is this What! really guilty of that which thy self sayest he really neither did nor had Yet thou bring'st Scripture to prove it saying What else is to be understood by that 2 Cor. 5. ver ult For he hath made him to be Sin for us who knew no Sin c. Thou usest many words to prove the Imputation of Christ's Righteousness to Men while in Sin and Rebellion against God As if Contraries while in Contrariety could at the same moment of time be in perfect Unity O vain Man Doth not the Apostle James Chap. 2. Vers 20. say That Faith without Works is dead c But I have spoken my Experimental Knowledge and believe according to Scripture of this Subject before and may have Occasion to touch at it hereafter In the next place thou bring'st forth thy own strange Conceivings about Man's own Righteousness for Error is seldom alone Thou say'st Our own Righteousness consists in those Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God works in our Minds and we express these outwardly in the Observation of the Moral Law in our Walkings amongst Men. Answ This is such a Heap of Confusion that I remember not the like The Scripture calls what is wrought by the Holy Spirit in us the Vertues of Christ 2 Pet. 1. 3 5. And Paul Rom. 8. saith To be Spiritually-minded is Life and Peace Then according to thy Interpretation we must have Life and Peace in our own Righteousness Thus like the Foolish Woman dost thou build a House and pull it down with thy Hands For take away the Gifts and Vertues which the Spirit of God works in our minds and what remains but a Body of Sin and Death and thoughts only Evil continually and yet Man as bold
Christ was it the Light of the Spirit of Christ yea or nay Answ Nay if I may judge of the Tree by the Fruit. Quest What Light is it then Answ The same w●th that which the Heathens had by Nature Sixteen Hundr●d Years since Rom. 2. 14. Reply Now let the Reader give Judgment concerning this Tree according to the Fruits thereof which he himself hath tasted as by his own Confession In pag. 7. As I went on I met with a Passage Ephes 5 Foolish Talking and Gesting and Mat. 12. 36. Ye shall give an Account for every Idle Word and the Light in me asse●ted to it that I ought not to do so and when I was reproved for it I was obedient and by Obedience was delivered from such Sins from whence I became of few words And in pag. 18. Quest Was there not a Power when I obeyed the Light Reproving me for Sin which did deliver me from Sinning and gave me strength to do that which was Good and Right and Just before God and Man Answ Yes there was a Power which did deliver me from sinning outwardly or doing any wrong to my Neighbour or telling Lyes but chused rather to suffer Anger then to do it It bore me up when I was hissed at for what I did c. And in pag. 3 4. I will insert one Remarkable Passage which I did when I was about Nineteen or Twenty Years of Age which is this viz. I being s●nt to the Shop for Herrings and had them d●livered unto me I did dislike some of them and being sent to the Barrel alone to change some of them I being a great Lover of them it rose in me What a Brave Oportunity I had to slip One into my Pocket for my self This was the Temptation On the other hand came the Light Reproving of me in this manner I must not do this thing Why If it should be known it would be a Dishonour to my Name and I should be ashamed to look any Body in the Face And if it were not known to Men yet God would know it and he would punish me if I sinned against him Through which Means I did obey that which did Reprove and touched none but what was my due And I went home Rejoycing with my self in this manner How happy was my Condition now beyond what it had been if I had di●obeyed the Reproof And how Good was the Lord to me in calling to me when I was tempted to do that Evil So was I convinced of one Evil one day and was delivered from it and another day another Evil and had Power over it and I had Joy and Peace in it Rep. And yet he compares this Blessed Light which hath done all this Good for him to the Egyptians which grievously and wickedly Oppressed and Afflicted the Children of Israel on whom the Lord sent his Plagues be●●●● of their Cruelty which they exercised upon his People as may be seen in pag. 18. and yet confesseth he had Joy and Peace and Comfort and Quietness of Spirit under these Task-masters which the poor Israelites had not but cryed to the Lord as may be read Exod. 3. and so no fit but a wicked and unrighteous Comparison which the Lord will one day judge him for when his Blind Eye is opened And again in pag. 19. Quest Do I despise that Light Knowledge or Conscience which reproveth Man for Sin in him and judge it not to be Obeyed Answ No I believe it is the Duty of every one to walk in the Commandments of the Law of God a●d to keep a Conscience void of Offence according as it is written Holding Faith in a Pure Conscience hoping to be found in the same my self Quest For what End do I d●sire to be found in Obedience to this Light Answ Because it is my Duty to God not for Life but from a Principle of Lif● c. And ●ill●am Haworth calls the same Light the Deity in his Epistle to the aforesaid Pamphlet And saith It s the Spirit maketh known Sin when ●t cometh which is not seen before as the shining of the Sun through a Crack into a Dark Room pag. 6. And in the Epistle saith again It s the Light of Nature Rom. 1. So let all People who have any Understanding or Skill to judge of a Tree by t●e Fruit take good notice of the Fruits and Effects of this Tree The Light which convinceth Man of Sin in him and al●o to consider the Confusions and Contradictions of these Blind Men who one while call it the Spirit and the Deity that is the Godhead and saith It maketh known Sin which is not seen before and saith It s my Duty to God to obey it and desires to obey it from a Principle of Life and how good was the Lord in calling to me So it s the Call of the Lord when tempted to forsake Evil and delivers from it and gives Power and Strength to do that which is Good Just and Right in the Sight of God and Men and gives Peace and Joy and Comfort as aforesaid And then again saith of the very same thing Nay it s not the Light of the Spirit of Christ if I may judge of the Tree by the Fruit. But its the Light of Nature and the same the Heathens had by Nature and the Egyptian-Task-masters and Bondage of Egypt pag. 18. So now put all their Jumble together and you will read their Blind Mad Work thus viz. It is not the Light of the Spirit of Christ that Convinceth of Sin p. 15. It is the Spirit that maketh known Sin which is not seen before p. 6. No it is the Light of Nature the Heathens had it by Nature and it s the Egyptian-Tasks and the Bondage of Cruel Pharoah No but it is the Godhead that the barbarous people saw by when they apprehended Paul to be a Murderer when the Viper fastened on his Hand Acts 28. 4. Do I despise this Light of Nature this Cruuel Pharoah this Light which is not of the Spirit of Christ No For what End do I desire to Obey this Egyptian-Task-master this Light of Nature this Spirit which is Not of Christ Because it s my Duty to God not for Life but from a Principle of Life Had not I a Power over Sin and Deliverance out of it and Strength to do that which was Good and Just and Right in the Sight of God and Man and Joy and Peace and Comfort and Quietness of Spirit when I obeyed this Pharoah this Light of Nature which is not the Light of the Spirit of Christ Yes I had a Joy and Peace in it and it was the Call of the Lord to me So compare this Heap of Confusion with the State of Israel in Egypt Exod. 3. and see what Joy and Peace and Comfort and Quietness of Spirit they had there which this Lad compares the Pure Light of the Son of God unto who knows not what he saith nor whereof he affirms of