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A10966 A treatise vpon sundry matters contained in the Thiry nine Articles of religion, which are professed in the Church of England long since written and published by Thomas Rogers. Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616.; Rogers, Thomas, d. 1616. Faith, doctrine and religion professed in England. 1639 (1639) STC 21233; ESTC S1674 207,708 274

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ar 8. 2. c. in the iudgement of Gods people f Basil ar 2. Gal. ar 11. Saxon ar 11. Errors and aduersaries vnto this truth We stand therefore in this point Against the Papists who say that Originall sinne was not at all much lesse remained in the Virgin Mary a Concil Basil sest 6. Test Rhem. annot Rom. 5.14 Against Giselbertus whose doctrine is that Baptisme once receiued there is in the baptized no sinne at all either originall or actuall b Giselb lib. alte cat Synag eccles c. 8. Against the Family of Loue who affirme that the elect and regenerate sinne not c H.N. Document sent c. 2. sect ● c 13. sect 5 Against the Carpocratians whereof some boasted themselues to be euery way as innocent as our Sauiour Christ d Iren. l. c. 24. Against the Adamites both old e Epiphan and new f Aeneas Sylv. hist Bohe. c. 42. who said they were in so good a state as Adam was before his fall therefore without originall sinne Against the Begadores in Almaigne affirming they were impeceable and had attained vnto the very top and pitch of perfection in vertue and godlinesse g Carranza summa Concil 4. Proposition Concupiscence euen in the regenerate is sinne Concupiscence in whomsoeuer lusteth against the Spirit a Gal. 5.1 7. fighteth against both the soule b 1 Pet. 2.11 and the law of the mind c Rom. 7.23 and the●efore but that there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Iesus d Rom. 8.1 it bringeth death damnation e Gal 5.17 21. Iam. 1.14.15 Mortifie therefore your members which are vpon earth saith S. Paul Coloss 3.5 vnto the Colossians fornication vncleannesse the inordinate affection euill concupiscence c. for the which things sake the wrath of God commeth on the children of disobedience And vnto all Christians S. Peter I beseech you as strangers abstaine from fleshly lust g 1 Pet. 3.11 To the same purpose is both the doctrine and Confessions of Gods people h Confess Helv 2. c. Saxon. ar 2 10. Errors and aduersaries vnto this truth Therefore we mislike their opinions as unsound which say that concupiscence either is no sinne at all or but a veniall fin the former was an assertion of the Pelagians Confess Aug ar 2. and is of the Papists that latter was one of Glouers errors Francis the Monke of Colen counted concupiscence no sin but said it was as naturall and so no more offensiue before God for man to lust then for the Sunne to keepe his course Petrus Lombardus saith that concupiscence afore Baptisme is both a punishment and a sinne but after Baptisme is no sin but onely a punishment Lomb l. 2. dift. 32. ● Catech Trid. praecep 9. The Church of Rome both teacheth that the power of lusting is not but the vse of wicked concupiscence is euill and numbred amongst most grieuous sinnes and decreeth how Concupiscence is no● sinne but proceedeth from sinne and inclineth vnto sinne d Concil Trid ses S. decreto de pec Or●g Glouer the Brownist said that the intemperate affections of the minde issuing from concupiscence are but veniall sins e Bred. detect ●9 1 9. 10. Article Of Free-will 1 The condition of man after the Fall of Adam is such that he cannot turne prepare himself by his owne naturall strength good workes 2 to faith calling vpon God wherefore we haue no power to doe good workes pleasant and acceptable to God 3 without the grace of God preuenting vs that we may haue a good will and working with vs when we haue that good will The Propositions 1. Man of his owne strength may doe outward and euill workes before he is regenerate 2. Man cannot doe any worke that good is and godly being not yet regenerate 3. Man may performe and doe good workes when he is preuented by the grace of Christ and renewed by the holy Ghost 1. Proposition Man of his owne strength may doe outward and euill workes before he is regenerate The proofe from Gods Word VVEE deny not that man not yet regenerate hath free will to doe the workes of nature for the preseruation of the body and bodily estate which thing had and have the bruit beasts and prophane Gentiles as it is also well obserued in our neighbour Church a Confes Helv. 2. cap. 9. Aug. ar 28. Saxon. 3.4 7. Besides man hath free will to performe the workes of Satan both in thinking willing and doing that which evill is For the imaginations of the thoughts of mans heart are onely evill continually b Gen. 6.5 evill even from his youth c Confes Helv. 2. c. 9. and 1. ar 9 Bohem. c. 4. A truth confessed by our brethren Aduersaries to this truth A false perswasion is it therefore that man hath no power to mooue either his body so much as vnto ourward things as Laur. Valla dreamed a Simon Pauli meth par 2. de lib. Ar. or his minde vnto sinne as the Manichies maintained affirming how man is not voluntarily brought but necessarily driuen to sinne b Aug. epist 28 2. Proposition Man cannot doe any worke that good is and godly being not as yet regenerate The proofe from Gods Word THE wisedome of the flesh is enmity against God for it is not subiect to the Law of God neither indeed can be They that are in the flesh cannot please God a Rom. 8.7 8. ● The naturall man perceiueth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishnesse vnto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned b 1 Cor. 2.14 No man can say that Iesus is the Lord but by the holy Ghost c 1 Cor. 12.3 We are not sufficient of our selves to thinke any thing as of our selues but our sufficiency is from God d 2 Cor. 3.5 Without me ye can doe nothing saith our Sauiour Christ e Iohn 15.5 Which is the confession of the godly reformed f Confes Helv 1. ar 9. 2. c. 9 Basil ar 2. Behem c. 4. Aug. ● ar 18. Belg. ar 14. The adversaries unto this truth Adversaries unto this truth are all such as hold that naturally there is free will in us and that unto the best things So thought the Pharises the Sadduces the Pelagians a August de pec mer. l. 3. and the Donatists b Idem contra Petil. cap 19. and the same affirme the Anabaptists c Zuing. contra Catabap and Papists For say the Papists Man by the forme and power of nature may love God above all things d Gab. B●el 3. sent dist 37. Man hath free will to performe even spirituall and heavenly things e Concil Trid. sess 6. c. 1. Men beleeve not but of their own free will f Test Rhem an Mat 20.16 It is in a mans free will to beleeve or not to beleeve
signis visib cc. Hill e In his Quartron and Alabaster f In his Motives 2. Of the Brownists who make discipline and that too of their owne devising such an essentiall argument of the visible Church as they think where that is not the Magistrates there be tyrants the Ministers false prophets no Church of God is Antichristianity doth raigne g R.H. in Psal 1.22 Bar. disco p. 86. Ans to M. Cartw. letter p. 13. 3. Of the same Brownists and Barrowists who neither allow frequenting of Sermons and ministring of the Sacraments nor have any Sacraments administred among themselves h Alison consu of Green Bar. p. 133. 116 4. Of the Family of Love which have in utter contempt and derision both the Preachers and the Sacraments scornfully tearming the Preachers Scripture learned men i H N. Evang. c. 33. sect 11. Ceremoniall and Letter-Doctors k Fam. letter to the B. of Roch. and the water at Baptisme Elementish water l H. N. Evang. c 13. sect 56. Neither doe we approve them who for the visible and externall put down invisible and spirituall tokens of the visible Church as Faith in Christ Iesus and Love towards the Saints which thing I. K. doth m In his confut of Pop. L. 4. b. 6. Proposition The visible Church may and from time to time hath erred both in doctrine and conversation The proofe from Gods Word Had not this bin most true it had never bin avouched both by our Saviour Christ and Saint Paul Our Saviour saith unto his Disciples concerning doctrine Take heed c. a Matth. 24.4 Beleeve it not b Ibid. v. 23 26. Beware of the leaven of the Pharises and of the leaven of Herod even of the doctrine of the c Mark 8.15 Pharises and Sadduces d Matth. 16.11 Many shall be deceived e Matth. 24.11 yea the very Elect if it were possible f Ibid v. 24. Shall he find faith on earth g Luke 18.8 And concerning conversation and manners he prophesied that iniquity shall be increased and the love of many shall be cold h Matth. 24.12 Saint Paul writeth touching doctrine that We know in part i 1 Cor. 13.12 Antichrist sitteth in the Temple of God k 2 Thess 2.4 c. whose comming is by the working of Satan with all power and signes and lying wonders and in all deceiveablenesse among them that perish because they received not the love of the truth that they might be saved and therfore God shall send them strong delusion that they should beleeve lyes l Ibid. v 9 10.11 Beware of dogges beware of evill workers beware of concision m Phil. 3.2 And touching conversation Restore c. lest thou also be tempted n Gal. 6.1 I doe not the good thing which I would but the evill which I would not that doe I if I doe that I would not it is no more I that doe it but the sinne that dwelleth in me o Rom. 7.19 20 There is a fight even in the best men mēbers of Christ p Ibid. v. 23. Besides that Churches visible and glorious have erred it appeareth evidently by the superstition heresies yea and Atheisme now raigning at Ierusalem Alexandria and Antioch This with us the Churches in their confessions doe acknowledge q Confes Helv. 2. Saxon. ar 11. Wittemb ar 32. Suev ar 15. Errors and adversaries unto this truth The Premises will not be granted for true neither by the Papists which maintain that in faith doctrine the Church meaning thereby the visible Church a Test Rhem. an 2 Thes 2.4 whose Rector is the Pope of Rome b Ibid. an 1 Tim 3.13 never erred c Ib. an Eph. 5.24 never hath erred d Ib. an marg p. 264. Gab. B●el l. 4. hist 6. quaest 2. and never can erre e Ibid. an 1 Tim. 3.3 c●tech Trid. in exposit Symb. Apost Coster enchirid controvers c. 3. de summo Pont. p 36. Nor yet by those which say the Church cannot erre for manners such were the Donatists and are the Anabaptists with the Family of Love f See of this art prop. 1. 3. Proposition The Church of Rome most shamefully hath erred in life ceremonies and matters of faith The proofe IVstly is the Church of Rome condemned of us and all Churches reformed because she hath erred and still very badly every way doth offend 1. In life For At Rome the harlot hath a better life Then she that is a Romans wife a W. Thomas hist of Italy O Roma à Roma quantum mutata vetustaes Nunc caput es scelerum quae caput orbis eras If ye spell Roma backward saith I. Bale ye shall finde it to be Amor Love in this prodigious kinde For it is a preposterous Amor Love out of kind b Acts of the Eng. votaries 2. booke praef Hence the pasquill Poets Roma quid est Quod te docuit praeposterus ordo Quid docuit Iungas versa elementa scies Roma Amor est Amor est qualis Praeposterus Vnde hoc Roma mares Noli dicere plura scio Againe Roma vale vidi satis est vidisse Revertar Cum Leno aut meretrix Scurra Cynaedus ero 2. In ceremonies which are in number infinite Gerson writeth how divers men have runne into desperation others have killed themselves finding that they were not able to keepe and performe the ceremonies of the Romish Church c Confes Aug. ar 4. For use also they are vaine impious as their leading up and down of an Asse on Palme Sunday their battering of hell their buriall of the Crosse c. yea and damnable because Romish ceremonies are held both necessarily to be observed as well as the Lawes of God d Eckius enchir de hum const axiom 2. and also to merit heaven For sins veniall say the Rhemists be taken away by sacred Ceremonies e Test Rhem. an marg 258. 3. In doctrine For proofe hereof see the Popish errors in every article almost if not proposition of this booke Againe looke we unto the head of the Antichristian Synagogue and we shall finde that of them Some have beene Conjurours Sorcerers and Inchanters as were Pope Martin 2. Silvester the second and third Benedict 8. Iohn 19 10 21. Sergius 4. Gregory 6. and 7. and such were all the Popes even 18. for number from Silvester the second untill Gregory the seventh f Cyp. Valera in his Treat●se of the Pope c out of Cara. Benom Some Heretikes For Siricius Calixtus Leo 9. and Paschalic condemned the marriage of Priests Liberius was an Arrian Marcellinus an Idolater Honorius a Monothe●ite g Cath. Apol. 2. part p. 93. Test Rhem. an Luc. 22.31 Iohn the 22. held many errors whereof W. Occam wrote a booke h Biblioth Simleri one wherof was that the soules of the wicked should not be punished till
Church that enquiry be made of evill ministers and that they hee accused by those that have knowledge of their offences and finally being found guilty by just judgement be deposed The Propositions 1. The effect of the Word and Sacraments is not hindred by the badnesse of ministers 2. Evill ministers are to be searched out convicted and deposed but orderly and by the discipline of the Church 1. Proposition The effect of the Word and the Sacraments is not hindred by the badnesse of ministers The proofe from Gods Word OF the ministers ecclesiasticall the Church is to conceive neither too sinisterly as though their unworthinesse could make the Word and Sacraments the lesse effectuall to such as worthily do heare and receive them nor on the other side too highly as if the dignity of their calling were cause good enough that what they doe or say ex opere operato take happy effects These things from the Scriptures are manifest which teach us that wicked ministers even the Scribes and Pharises fitting in Moses chaire a Matth. 23.1 and preaching Christ though through envie strife and contention b Phil. 1.15 are to be heard and many administer the Sacraments as did the ordinary Priests among the Iewes whereof very many both afore and after that our Saviour came into the world were most wicked men and the best are but the Ministers of God c 1 Cor. 4.1 and Gods labourers d 1 Cor. 3.9 Also the purer Churches beare witnesse hereunto e Confes Helv. 1. ar 15. 20 22. Hel. 2. 1. 18 21 Bohe. c. 11. 12. Gal. ar 3. 35. Aug ar 8. Sax ar 1● 13. Wit ar 31. Suc. ar 13 Neither is he whosoever that planteth any thing neither he that watereth but God that giveth the encrease saith Saint Paul f 1 Cor. 3.7 And a signe of a good spirit is it to regard not so much who speaketh a ministreth or what is uttered and offered from God Errors and adversaries unto this truth The due consideration of the premises will both settle us the more firmely in the truth and make us the more carefully to abhorre all adversaries thereof as in old time were the Donatists and the Petilians who taught that the Sacraments are holy when they be administred by holy men but not else a D August in Psa 100. 32. Idem contra P●til l. 1. c 4. also the Apostolikes or Henricians who had a fancie that he was no Bishop which was a wicked man b Magdeburg eccles hist C●nt ●2 cap. 5. fol ●44 Among the Fathers also Cyprian and Origen were not found in this point For Cyprian published that no minister could rightly baptize who was not himselfe endued with the holy Ghost c D. Cyprian epist lib. 1. lib. ad Mag. ep 6. he further delivered that whosoever doe communicate with a wicked minister doe sinne d Ibid. ep 4. Origen held that in vaine did any minister either bind or lose who was himselfe bound with the chaines of sinne and wickednesse e D Orig in Math. ●1 act 1. Such adversaries in our time be the Anabaptists the Family of Love the disciplinarians usually termed Puritans the Sabbatarians the Brownists and Papists For f Wilk against the l a ar 14. p. 66. The Anabaptists will not have the people to use the ministery of evill ministers and thinke the service of wicked Ministers unprofitable and not effectuall affirming that no man who is himselfe faulty can preach the truth to others The Family of Love doe say that no man can minister the upright service or ceremonies of Christ but the regenerate g H. N. evang c. 23. 6. 2. also that wicked men cannot teach the truth h Fam 1. epist to M. Rogers The disciplinarian Puritanes do bring all ministers which cannot preach and their services into detestation For their doctrine is that Where there is no Preacher there ought to be no minister of the Sacraments i Lear. disc p. 62. None must minister the Sacraments which doe not preach k T. C. 1. c. p. 104. The Sacrament is not a Sacrament if it be not joyned to the Word of God preached l Ber. de Loquercas of the Church c. 10. It is a sacriledge to separate the ministration of the word preached from the Sacraments m Lear. disc p. 60. Of these mens opinions be the Sabbatarians among us For their doctrine is to the common people that unlesse they leave their unpreaching ministers every Sabbath day and goe to some place where the Word is preached they do prophane the Sabbath and subject themselves unto the curse of God n D. B. doc of the Sab. 2. booke p. 173. So the Brownists No man is to communicate say they where there is a blind or dumbe ministery o R. H. on Psal 122. The Papists doe crosse this truth but after another sort For Pope Hildebrand decreed and commanded that no man should heare Masse from the mouth of a Priest which hath a wife p B. Iewel on Ag. 1. ser The Rhemists doe publish how The Sermons of heretikes and so tearme they all Protestant ministers must not be heard q Test Rhem. annot tit 3. 10. r Ibid. an Mar. 3.13 though they preach the truth Their prayers and sacraments are not acceptable to God but are the howling of wolves 2. Proposition Evill ministers are to be searched out convicted and deposed but orderly and by the discipline of the Church The wicked and evill ministers must not alwaies be endured in the Church of God For they are the evill and unprofitable servants a Math. 25.26 the eyes which doe offend b Math. 18.9 the unsavoury salt c Math. 5.13 which are carefully to be seene unto and if admonitions will not serve deposed yet orderly and by the discipline of the Church For that God which appointed a government for the civill state hath also given authority unto his Church to punish offenders according to the quality of their transgressions And so may we reade in the Word of God Let the Church say our Saviour d Math. 18.17 Let such a one by the power of our Lord Iesus Christ be delivered unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Iesus saith Saint Paul e So the neighbour Churches f Helv. 2. c. 18. Bohe. 2. c. 18. ar 11. Suev ar 35. Adversaries unto this truth Then deceived and out of the way are the Brownists and Barrowists which are of minde that Private persons in themselves have authority to depose unmeet ministers and to punish malefactors a R.H. in Psal 121. p. 117. Every particular member of a Church in himselfe hath power to examine the manner of administring the Sacraments c. to call men unto repentance c b Bar. disco p. 56. to reproove the faults of the Church and