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A11461 Of romanizing recusants, and dissembling Catholicks. A counter-maund of a counterfeit embassage. Or, An answer to the posthume pamphlet of Ralfe Buckland sometime a popish priest secretly printed and published after his death about a yeere a goe. Sanderson, Thomas, 1560 or 61-1614. 1611 (1611) STC 21711; ESTC S114100 46,568 117

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impeachment of That mine euerlasting Offering Popish Ceremonies apish ridiculous and Office after the order of Melchisedech Your multiplicity and absurdity of most apish and toyish Ceremonies as ducking crossing closing opening of hands Host-eleuating loud-bawling secret Mumbling and the like are fitter for a Theater then for the Church What reuerence can yee require to such jrreuerend childish and profane Administrations To be short your dishonorable seruice your detestable Altar your hypocriricall creeping and casting downe your bodyes your no lesse odious lifting vp jmpure harts and hands your idolatrous adoratiō your contumacious endeauour of blynd zeale your dreadfull nay direfull abhominable sacrifice The abhomination of the popish Masse therfore abhominable because an offring not only of my passion but of my body a spirituall a Carnall a bloudy and vnbloudy Sacrifice indeed a Sacrifice and no Sacrifice because not only a memory of me the Redeemer of my Chosen is solemnly celebrated and liuely represented but a propitiation also for the liuing and the dead is pretended to be offered directly crossing and contrary to that one Oblation of my selfe once offred not without bloud Heb. 10.14 whereby for euer I haue consecrated and perfected them that are sanctified wherein by the Eternall spirit I offered vp my selfe vnto God Heb. 9.12.13.14 and found eternall redemption for them All these are not the workes of my Children and seruants and therfore I command you once againe vnder the penalty of my great and Eternall curse that yee cease any further to lead the blynd out of the way whome you haue peruerted too farr already and will not suffer them so much as to enter a deliberation to returne vnto the flocks of my Sheapheards againe The false Embassador Schismaticks justly repelled from the Sacramēts HEre you straine courtesie here flesh and bloud reclaimeth the spirit taking the foyle and the old man triumphing Some of you discharge themselues of their crimes by my Stewards ouer rigorous austerity c. How dare you proffer to approach to my Altar where so great a Maiestie is resident c. The Lord Christ IS not this an ouer-Rigorous austerity and most apparent in you First to inhibite them the Churches of the Protestants and after to exclude them from your own mysteries Oratories also You say nay For first you would haue them to Confesse themselues guilty for ioyning with the Protestants and to purpose amendment of that fault to receaue your absolution and to doe penaunce and so to be purged and so be prooued worthy to come vnto your Altar But I say vnto you still your Altar is not my Altar my great Maiestie is not there resident but onely the pettie Maiestie of your profane bread neither is your penaunce your pardon your Confession my ordination Therefore they who refuse these things from you are guiltles before me and as yee saye in this one thing happie that they are suspended and reiected of you And I denounce a woe against you that Cal good euill and euill good sweet sower sower sweet Esay 5.20 put light for darknes and darknes for light The false Embassador WEll then Schismaticks are to be praesumed for Haereticks and why among my Catholicks since you are not where shall I find you where c. The Caluinist taketh you for Proselytes c. The poore Catholick scandalized at your impiety c. The Lord Christ WHat and will you still make me the Patrone of your lyes surely I doe not hold them among my true Catholicks no more then I doe your selues neither yet doe I conclude The Lord alloweth not dissembling Catholicks that cleauing to the Protestants they cleaue to sectaries neither doe I pronounce them Protestants neither do I allow their reproofe either in priuate talke or in priuate opinion of the Protestant proceedings neither are those proceedings departure from the faith nor yet their Temples houses of Idolatry as ye blaspheme So that albeit by their presence with them in appearance they honour by obaying they allow by example they further by deeds they cōfirme by dissembling they establish those proceedings albe-it they goe to those houses as one of them they sit there as one of them they behaue themselues reuerēdly as one of them yet in all this or in any of these they cannot be defined eyther Schismaticks or Haereticks In a word howsoeuer they are reputed Proselyts of the Caluinist as you terme the true Christian and howsoeuer your poore Catholicks poore indeed and voyde of true Catholicke faith Dissembling Catholicks no Schismaticks are scandalized of them though they may be lost sheepe for the time and dissemblers yet are they no Schismaticks being not diuided from the true Church much lesse at the brinck of bottomles haeresie in that respect The false Embassador Those which goe to the Conuenticles of Haereticall rites are iustly and properly called s hismaticks ABhominable is Schisme and horrible is the name of Schismaticke c. When my Church in her first prime c. The Lord Christ. Schisme is a separation from the faith of truth and the true Cōmunion of Saints What is Schisme And therefore all those Christians vpon whatsoeuer intent purpose of heart whether for Feare of the Aduersity and Crosses or for loue of the prosperity ease and sensuality of this present euill world who do consort themselues though but for a time with the Iewish Turkish or any other Heathnish profession let them be censured for schismaticall Reuolters till they returne into the Church againe But herevpon how can you charge your cunning Catholicks of schisme for associating in their actions with the Protestants First you are to proue the one to be Haereticks their Assemblies also and rites haereticall which you can neuer do and then forewarne the other vnder the penalty of Schismaticall reproch to adhaere vnto them Be it that some of them for all I know who know the hearts doe not repute and take the Protestants for Haereticks for that is the poynt you press vppon them and yet like Ambidexters Machiauels and Temporizers only for feare or for loue of the earth and earthly things against their consciences will make a shew to be on their side yet I say neuer shal their own false opiniōs no more thē yours conclude them to be Schismaticks in joyning with my Church howsoeuer they may be convicted of themselues for notorious hypocrites and dissemblers and so be vnexcusable in my sight For I cannot like it that they or you or any should dissemble with me Iosue 9.9 or my people The Gibeonites in that they sought the friendship of my seruant Iosua and his host did not offend me in that they sought it by dissimulation they did not please me vers 21. Therfore for the one I spared their liues and for the other I adjudged them to perpetuall seruitude The remnant of those Iewes who dwell now among