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A95829 Certain proposals humbly presented to the Parliament, in relation to the common good of the people of this nation. By R.V. Esq; Vaughan, Rice. 1652 (1652) Wing V130B; Thomason E683_14; ESTC R206817 7,847 11

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CERTAIN PROPOSALS Humbly presented to the PARLIAMENT In relation to the Common Good OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION By R. V. Esq Prov. 14.34 Righteousness exalteth a Nation Seneca De vita beata page 457. Quaeramus quid optimè factum non quid usitatissimum London Printed for Francis Tyton and are to be sold at his shop at sign of the three Daggers in Fleetstreet near the Inner-Temple-gate 1653. To the Parliament of the Commonwealth of England Right Honorable DId you but hear the utterings of every private breast that is well-affected to you of others I speak not certainly you would be sensible of much hard and grating language against some of you at least if not against most of you how just their cry is your selves are best able to judge and I most incompetent That you and all your subordinate Magistrates in the Land might be Peace and Righteousness to the Nation is the prayer of them that truly wish your and its welfare Among the rest it is the earnest desire of him that addresses these Proposals to you that you might not onely be a blessing to this Land but to the Nations round about you yea Benefactors indeed to the world not as one saith like water-pots that refresh your own plot of ground but like showers that water and make fruitful the whole earth The Proposer humbly prayes That when the intentness of your thoughts is unbent from the consideration of more publique affairs you would please to consider what is herein proposed to you Some things therein because of long contrary practise and custom may seem novel or difficult at best yet if you please to consider and examine them you will finde they have more of custom and use then Reason or Justice against them and it will be your greater honor to reform early and rooted evils then those that are of a late and junior rise by how much great difficulties are the more adaequate objects of the graplings and encounters of great spirits especially such as are backed with wisdom and strength I could have labored more to please then to profit as too many do now adays for profits sake but I hope to have learned better things then to follow the Parliament or own the cause they have undertaken which indeed I have for loaves but for a good conscience which is a continual feast to a plain-dealing man though as the Proverb saith He may dye a beggar Sed timida probitas non prodest reipub Grays Inn this 16. Nov. 1652. I am yours and the Commonwealths faithful Servant R. V. CERTAIN PROPOSALS Humbly presented to the PARLIAMENT IN Relation to the common good of the People of this Nation 1. PROPOSITION THat no Committee or Commissioners whatsoever deriving power from the Parliament to give a Final Judgement or Sentence in any case between party and party or the State and particular persons may command the people that are Auditors to withdraw in any case whatsoever but that while sitting in Court they debate all cases openly and give their judgement therein Coram Populo as all inferior Courts of Justice in England elsewhere do as the Scripture direction and practise was for there Courts of Justice were kept in the a Zac. 8.16 Deut. 21.19 Deut. 16.18 Josh 20.4 Prov. 24.7 Dan. 2.49 Amos 5.12.15 Godwins Antiq. l. 2. c. 3. Gates and in the b Act. 16.19 Job 29 7. Market-place or open streets which were places of the greatest popular resorts and concourse and from Scripture we have not one warrantable Precedent to justifie the practise of commanding to withdraw by Committees and Commissioners at this day neither can they justifie it by the Laws of any other Nation or by any colourable pretence of Reason and it was accompted a matter of great lamentation in Scripture for the c Lam. 5.14 Elders or Judges to cease from the Gates Object 1. Yet some may Object That all Committees of Parliament for many ages heretofore did usually command withdrawing when they were to debate Answ 1. It is confessed that all former Committees of Parliament without exception did always command withdrawing when they were to debate any case whatsoever and not onely so but when they were to give their opinions But Secondly All Committees of Parliament before this were impowered onely to debate particular cases and grievances and to give their opinion thereupon to the Houses they were not to give any conclusive and determinate sentence therein but that was to be left to the Parliament upon which account there was good ground of withdrawing Because first it was fit the Parliament should know their Results before common Auditors And Secondly because their opinions were but preparatory unto Laws that were to be Enacted by the Parliament Object 2. It may further be objected from Scripture That the Councel of the Jews in the 4. of the d Acts 4.15 Acts did command the Apostles Peter and John to go aside or withdraw when their Preaching and doing Miracles in the name of Jesus were to be considered of It is Answered Answ 1. First That this councel of the Jews was not a Court for execution of civil justice as the deciding meum and tuum This Sanhedrion for so is the word in the original for ought appears consisted of a d Acts 4.5 6 High Priest his kindred who were ex genere pontificio Rulers i as some think Military Officers Elders who were Senatores urbis and Scribes who were Disputers and expounders of the Law all these made up a Consistory mixt of Civil and Ecclesistical Judges the like whereof was in Mat. 26.3 convened against Christ which though at e 2 Chro. 5. 8. 11. Mat. 10.17 Moses Contsens in Sanhedrim Godwins Antiq. l. 5. c. 1 other times they sate severally and had several Jurisdictions did now agree to meet in a Councel together not a Court of Justice between party and party to consider of a matter that they pretended to be of concernment to the peace of Church and State as appears by their debates and what was the result thereof for say they f Acts 4.16 17. What shall we do unto these men for that INDEED a notable miracle hath been done by them is manifest to all that dwell in Jerusalem and we cannot deny it but that it spread no further among the people let us straitly threaten them that they speak to no man henceforth in this name Secondly Let it be observed This Councel did confess it was a notable miracle that was done by Paul and that * See v. 14 15. Because the Jews could say nothing against Paul and John therefore they bid them go aside because they might contrive something to stop their mouthes they could not deny it their own conscience told them the work he had done was good and it was not judged fit by them to declare it publiquely because then the People as well as their own consciences would