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A90447 The peoples eccho to the Parliaments declarations, concerning a personall treaty with the King. Containing a collection of some few passages out of severall declarations and expresses of the Lords and Commons assembled in Parliament at Westminster, concerning a personall treaty with the King. Together with a humble enforcement of the equity and justice of the said expresses; humbly presented, not only to the review of the Honourable Parliament: but also to the serious consideration of the Lord Major, aldermen, and commons of London in Common-Councell assembled. 1648 (1648) Wing P1445; Thomason E459_25; ESTC R205103 13,442 17

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The Peoples ECCHO To the Parliaments DECLARATIONS Concerning a Personall Treaty with the KING Containing a Collection of some few passages out of severall Declarations and Expresses of the LORDS and COMMONS assembled in Parliament at Westminster concerning a Personall Treaty with the KING Together with an humble enforcement of the equity and justice of the said Expresses Humbly presented not only to the review of the Honourable Parliament but also to the serious consideration of the Lord Major Aldermen and Commons of LONDON in Common-Councell Assembled Isa 59.9 Judgement is farre from us neither doth Justice overtake us We wait for light but behold obscurity for brightnesse but we walke in darkenesse LONDON Printed by Matthew Simmons 1648. The Peoples Eccho to the Parliaments Declarations concerning a Personall Treaty with the KING Declaration of the Lords and Commons of the 4th of March 1647. in answer to the papers of the Scotch Commissioners page 20. WEE aske what reason have we to expect better satisfaction in the way of a Treaty then formerly wee had therein at Uxbridge or in a Personall Treaty at Oxford unlesse we be resolved before hand to treat away all that we have fought for and to be treated out of all that wee could not be fought out of or at least what can we expect of a Treaty but that under pretence of satisfying all Interests one Interest shall be set up against another to divide us And that thereby having laid no foundation of safety before-hand the King might set up His Interest above them all Ibid. If wee cannot have Peace but upon these termes viz. The will of the King and the advantage of the Crowne in the Kings esteeme Vpon these termes we needed not to have any Warre which had been much the more Christian resolution and would have saved the effusion of much blood whereof if we proceed upon such principles as those wee must needs draw the whole guilt upon our owne selves Decl. of the 4th of March 1647. pag. 24. If the way of reason and perswasion be the only equall faire and just way to obtaine a well grounded Peace c. we have gone in a very foule way hitherto which should have been taken into consideration before we had engaged our selves and the Kingdome in so much cost and blood which was not only spent unnecessarily but also very unlawfully if wee must goe no way but that of perswasion c. who doth not see that these Principles doe not only BRING VPON VS ALL THE BLOOD THAT HATH BEEN SHED IN THIS WAR but also plucketh up the foundation of any hope of ever setling a Peace with the King which shall be both just and sure seeing we cannot have it justly but upon his termes which no man that hath his eyes in his head can believe that they will be other then such as tend to the apparent destruction of the persons which have engaged and the losse of the ends for which both Kingdomes have engaged in this war Decl. of the 24th of March 1647. pag. 25. The bringing of the King to London for a Personall Treaty with the Parliament before the maine points in difference between them be setled assured is to no other purpose but to encrease that fond humour of confidence in misled and deceived people which prevaileth in them too much already before they have assurance which they and their posterity may after rue and repent when it is too late to help it Decl. of the 4. of March 1647. pag. 21. The Scotch Commissioners mistake their aime if they thinke the Kings presence with the Parliament necessarily implieth his presence at London which HE and THEYso much desire THAT HE MIGHT HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO CAJOLE THE CITIZENS c. His returne to his Parliament with the same affections and intentions that is to destroy and undermine his Parliament and to renew the warre against them is as great a reason for his absence from it as his absence formerly from it in order to destroy it and to begin a warre against them was then a reason for his presence Decl. of the 4. of March 1647. pag. 86. How BASE and DISHONOURABLE a thing would it have been for the houses of Parliament being in that condition they are to have treated under the Gallowes to have treated as Traytors their Cause being not justified nor the Declarations against them as Rebels recalled And how FOOLISH a thing would it have been being possessed of the sword according to their right not to secure it even from his owne claime to the contrary to themselves and posterity before they treated of any thing to the end that neither they nor their Posterity might be put to play another bloody game for the same thing The Parliaments Scots Commissioners answer to his Majesties Letters of the 26. 29. of Decemb. 1645. Concerning the Personall Treaty desired by your Majestie there having beene so much innocent blood of your good Subjects shed in this warre BY YOUR MAJESTIES COMMANDS AND COMMISSIONS Irish Rebels brought over into both Kingdomes and endeavours to bring over more into both of them as also forces from Forreigne parts Your Majestie being in Armes in these parts the Prince in the head of an Armie in the West divers Townes made Garrisons and kept in hostility by your Majestie against the Parliament of England There being also forces in Scotland against that Parliament and Kingdome BY YOUR MAJESTIES COMMISSION The warre in Ireland FOMENTED AND PROLONGED BY YOUR MAJESTIE whereby the three Kingdomes are brought neer to utter ruine and destruction VVe conetive that untill satisfaction and security be first given to both your Kingdomes Your Majesties comming hither cannot be convenient nor by us assented unto Answer of the Lords Commons to His Majesties message of the 25. of Aug. 1642. The Lords Commons in Parl. assembled having received your Majesties Message of the 25. of August doe with much griefe resent the dangerous distracted state of this Kingdom which we have by all means endeavored to prevent both by our severall Advices and Petitions to your Majestie which have been not only without success but there hath followed that which no ill Councell in former times hath produced or ANY AGE HATH seen namely those severall Proclamations and Declarations against both the houses of Parliament whereby their actions are declared treasonable and their persons Traytors and thereupon Your Majestie hath set up your Standard against them whereby YOU HAVE PUT THE TWO HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT AND IN THEM THIS WHOLE KINGDOME OUT OF YOUR PROTECTION So that UNTILL your Majestie shall recall those Proclamations aad Declarations whereby the Earle of Essex and both Houses of Parliament and their Adherents and Assistants such as have obeyed and executed their Commands and Directions according to their duty are declared Traytors or otherwise Delinquents And untill the Standard set up in pursuance of the said Proclamations be