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A93858 A narrative of the late Popish Plot in Ireland, for the subjugating thereof to the French king together with the proceedings against, and tryal of the Earl of Tyrone, and others who were accused for carrying on the same : containing the several examinations of Hubbart Bourke, Edward Ivie, John Macnemarrah, and Thomas Samson, Gent., upon information taken before the Lord Lieutenant and Council of Ireland ... / by Tho. Samson, Gent., late steward of the Earl of Tyrone. Samson, Thomas. 1680 (1680) Wing S542; ESTC R202423 43,134 40

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one did not know what the other had confessed or declared All which Examinations and Informations being delivered to the Lord Lieutenant and Council we were all bound to appear at Waterford Assizes to prosecute the said Earl of Tyrone Where we accordingly went having first petitioned the Lord Lieutenant and Council that none of the Earls Kindred Papist or Tenants should be of the Jury Acquainting his Grace that if they were not exempted from being of the Jury it was in vain for any of the Kings Evidence to appear there Which Petition the Lord Lieutenant told us was granted but when we came to the Assizes we found it denied by the Judges and the Juries Proceeding were such as made the Evidence complain some unto the Kings Majesty and others to the Lord Lieutenant and Council Upon which Thomas Samson one of the Examinants was commanded by the Lord Lieutenant to deliver his knowledge in writing into the Council of the Proceedings against the said Earl at the Assizes Which he accordingly did in the following Examination On which the Lord Lieutenant and Council telling the said Sampson the said Examination was to be sent to the Kings Majesty And to vindicate my Reputation the Lord Lieutenant and Council was pleased to give me leave to come for England and gave me their License for the same The Examination of Thomas Samson Gent. taken before the Lord Lieutenant and Council of Ireland the 14. of May 1680 by the Lord Lieutenants special Command about the Tryal of the Earl of Tyrone and William Bradley Esq at VVaterford Assizes and the Juries Proceedings therein WHo saith That according to my Recognizance I went to the said Assizes on the 10. of March last past the then going Judges being Sir Richard Reynolls and Sir William Davis The next morning after my arrival there I waited on them in their Chamber to receive their Commands I then told Judge Reynolls that I had sometime before petitioned the Lord Lieutenant and Council That no Papists Tenants or Kindred should be of the Jury and that his Grace told me that my Petition was answered and that he would give the going Judges Instructions therein To which Judge Reynolls replied That all the Judges had given their Opinion that it was contrary to Law that Papists should be exempted of being of the Jury I then answered that I was content with what my Superiours thought fit Judge Reynolls then told me I might have a Councel allowed me I told him I desired it in regard it was for the King and by reason I was a stranger to such Proceedings Upon which I made choice of Counsellor Becket but Judge Davis told me that he was not acquainted with Crown Proceedings and therefore said they would allow me Counsellor Pine and that they would give me a Note to him but they went to Church and gave me no note at all I then went to enquire for Councellor Pine but found that he was not in or near the Town Judge Reynolls also told me That the Earl was to be indicted for High Treason and that Mr. Bradley was to be indicted with him on the same Bill I then replyed that I much wondred at it in regard that the Witnesses against the one were not against the other And that I thought Mr. Bradley might if well handled and indicted asun der be a material Witness for the King but Judge Reynolls then answered it was so ordered above I then said I was content with what Authority commanded Upon which the Judges went to Church from whence they returned to the Court and after the Ceremony of the Court used c. The Grand Jury was called Counsellor Porter a Papist said My Lord there is a Peer of the Nation in question and therefore he prayed leave to appear for him I answered That there were three Nations in the Case and that the Kings Witness had rather need of Counsel Yet the Judges allowed Counsellor Porter to speak and Counsellor Longan a Papist also who said My Lord I am for the Impeached And they prayed leave to except against some of the Jury which was against none but Protestants The two Counsels together with three Attorneys appeared for the Earl the Kings Evidence being not allowed one and pressing for a Counsel Judge Reynolls answered me he would be our Counsel which I took as spoken in derision Hereupon I desired to object against Tenants and Kindred of the Ears's Papists being before allowed and in particular against Paul Sherlock a Tenant and Peirce Welch Gent a Kinsman of the Earl and others who upon their bare denying themselves Tenants or Kindred were admitted Jurors and sworn whereas they were both either Tenants or Kindred After Dinner I attended the Judges again in their Chamber who swore me and the other Witnesses commanding us to attend the Grand Jury which we accordingly did waiting in a Chamber next the Grand-Jury Chamber and Hubbart Bourke one of the Evidences went to the Jury and intreated Admittance and desired to be heard as he told me and the rest of the Witnesses But the Jury told him that they had his Examinations already and that they had no business with any of us for that they were ordered to hear no new Matters To which I answered That I was sworn to attend the Jury and therefore would have Admittance Capt. Grant always meeting the Evidence at the Door and telling them that they had no business with us which was unknown to some of the Jury Whereupon I went three times to the Grand-Jury-Door and being earnest I was admitted in Capt. Grant and Mr. Carew asked me Whether I had any new Treasons to inform the Jury of other than what were delivered in before the Lord Lieutenant and Council in my Examinations and told me if I had they were ordered not to hear or Words to that purpose I told them that I had no new matter but what had been before the Lord Lieutenant and Council but I desired to have my Examinations read unto me to see if they were all there or if need required that I might explain the same or words to that purpose On which they read one of my Examinations unto me whereby I found all my Examinations were not there or at least read unto me of which I informed the Jury But Mr. Welch Capt. Grant and Mr. Carew pressed not to have me heard on which I told them that some of them were fitter to be on an Examination than on that Jury on which they were silent And the Foreman acknowledged before the Committe of the Council appointed to examine them that they received but Nine Examinations of which he gave me an Account in writing and that I told them of several things that were not in those Examinations Sir John Davis wondering where the fault lay that all the Examinations had not been delivered to the Jury being not the one half of the Examinations taken before the Lord Lieutenant and Councel and also of
done in the presence of many Witnesses This was Charged against the said Finch before the foregoing Judges at the Assizes The Indges were Chief Justice Keeling and Judge Reinolls but never prosecuted though I told their Lordship that the said Finch was in the house where they lay waiting on the said Earl his Master The next day after the said Finch spoke the aforementioned words the said Earl laughing at me told me that the said words were not Treason and did not as much as check the said Finch for the same On which having my Bible in my hand I swore the words before the said Earl telling him that if it was Treason I would not be guilty of concealing of it Shortly after the said Finch laughed at me and told me before several Witnesses that he now cared not for what he had said against the Parliament for that now the King had turned them out of doors I also observed that the Earl was imploying one Major Butler a Papist to perswade Mr. Bourk to deny his information and to say that Collonel Viliars and others did bribe him the said Bourk falsly to impeach the said Earl I farther took notice of the Earls allowing all his Papist Servants to go to Mass who when it was forbidden went at midnight and of his seeming displeasure to them But in the conclusion he turned away or sent to Prison all his Protestant Servants as long as he had any And when I denied his Labourers to work on the Fifth of November he the said Earl commanded them to work calling that day A Protestant Cheat And the day of Humiliation for our late Soveraign of Blessed Memory The Parliaments Fast saying that he would take the sin upon him if I would not keep it I observed also the great Concourse of the Officers that came out of France and were disbanded at his house and his Papist Servants private receiving of Papists Arms to secure them for their Owners or other uses And when Madam Mortamore was reading of Coleman's Tryal and in particular the long Letter the Earl said that what Coleman had done was just and that if he had been in Colemans place he would have done as Coleman did I answered that suppose I was in Spain was it law ful for me to endeavour to subvert the Government there established To which the said Earl answered that it was my duty so to do and that there was no Law against Colemans doing of it in England or for taking away the Kings Life for endeavouring the subverting the Religion and that Coleman suffered unjustly And as for Colemans endeavouring to Murther the King said the Earl that was proved only by two Rogues And here he shewed me a Letter which as I remember came from one Robert Power aforesaid in which was instanced a Knight whose Name I do not remember that begged the Kings Pardon to speak who after it was granted told the King He verily believed that there was no Plot and that the Witnesses were two Rogues who if encouraged would take away all their Lives Madam Mortamor having ended Saint in Heaven and that all that had a hand in his Death were or would be damn'd in Hell At another time the said Earl being appointed by Authority to settle the Militia with the High Sheriff William Dobbins Esq and others Mr. Fith Gerrald of Waterford sent to him to act in it and I my self carried the Message from the said Fith Gerrald to him telling him the said Earl that by his appearing and shewing himself active for the King he might again redeem the Kings Favour and do himself and Servants good To which the Earl replied That if the French were at Coole-sin meaning a place a mile from his house he would not draw his Sword against them And at another time when he wanted Oats for his Horses the Earl laid That he had rather want Bread for his Table than Oats for his Horses not knowing how soon he might be called on Service Now having denied the serving of his own King before I might well wonder whom he intended to serve having made such Great Provision of Horses And afterwards when perswaded to go and meet the Sheriff about the Militia he went to a place called the Three Miles Bridge in the County of Waterford where the meeting was appointed but just met them and made haste back and disheartned those he met from going and jeared at the Troop calling it the Buttermilk-Troop saying that his Great Horse would beat a Troop of them At his return several of the Officers that came out of France were come to the said Earl's House where he met them And at another time having had some Trial-gone against him in the Courts at Dublin and receiving a Letter from his Attorney or Sollicitor of something which the King had done concerning it in England he fell into a great Passion against the King and said That if the King was pulled out of his Throne he would not draw his Sword to defend him And upon getting one Owen Whelan an Old Tory and making him his Sergeant or Bayliff I telling him that the Country would take notice of it he wished that he had ten thousand such Torys for there is a time coming said he that I could make use of them Observing all those things it made me use all possible means to get my self free from the said Earl's Service and in order thereunto got one Mr. Power of Clasmore being the Earl's Kinsman to speak to the Earl who was thereupon appointed to audit my Accompts which accordingly he did After which they used all means and endeavours to take away my good Name or Life viz. Garret M. Teege alias Wall the Earls Fowler who threatned my life lying in wait for me with one of the Earls beff Guns as he hath confessed And at a Fair at Clonagan he lent one Martha M. Shehan a Knife which the said Shehan had ready to kill me withal had not one espying of it prevented him by taking the Knife from him as he was giving the Stab and secured it Hereupon I acquainted the Earl therewith who desired to see the Knife and taking it into his hands broke it and then bid me to prosecute the Offenders At the fame time the aforesaid Owen Whelan the Old Tory and others lay in wait for me with Clubs which was also discovered and prevented by my presenting a Pistol at them and so made my escape from them Also John Power who as the Servants told me killed the Lord Mohan threatned my Life he was carried to Dublin in the Earls Coach and there kept private at the Earls Charge Lieutenant Thomas Power the Earl's Kinsman now of Captain Congrose's Company also threatned my life at the Assizes in the Judges Chamber He also got me to be sued by one Porter a Papist for Wine which the said Earl had many years before I came unto him the said Power wishing that he had broke
Treason when they came up I was ordered to have neither Pen Ink nor Paper nor to speak with any out of the Pursivants sight and hearing until they were fully examined apart notwithstanding all persons that were sent for on our charging them were never kept asunder but one left to inform the other until we acquainted the Lord Lieutenant and Council therewith Considering the premises I do desire all good Christians to be sparing in their judging of me for what I have done God of his mercy having raised me up with others to make a discovery of what in probability might have inflamed the whole Nation and let not the performance of my duty in discovering though the present danger seem to be silenc'd be any disreputation to the Discoverer who is ready to serve God his King and Country to the utmost of his power Hubbart Bourke An Account of Mr. Macnemarrah Now to follow the same method which the other Evidence hath done before being so very well known in the Countrie both by name and living I shall therefore trouble my self the less and onely tell you that I am of the Macnemarrahs of Cracolo and was for many years a Protestant and never a Papist but since I married into a Popish Family in the County of Waterford and have lived there some years past and having never since I lived there been excluded from being of the Grand or Pettie Jurie of every Assizes and all along been of good Credit with the best of the Countrie often employed in publick Concerns and a Receiver of the Kings Revenue of Hearth-money in several Counties which Office I have faithfully and honestly discharged so that I defie any man to charge me to the coutrarie being at most References or Countrie-concerns made use of either publick or private And when the Powers mentioned in Mr. Ivie's Examination who was concerned with me in that Plot were apprehended by a Lieutenant's Warrant who after they were apprehended fled from Justice I was also apprehended and gave Bail but kept from trial by the Earls interest with the Prosecutors At which time many of the Jurie and other Gentlemen gave a Certificate of my good behaviour and spoke for me in open Court though now they are against me and would invalidate my Testimonie for my discovering the truth concerning the said Earl and for my discharging my Allegiance which if I had not done it might have proved of ill consequence to his Majesties interest they also promising me Safetie and Bribes if I would not discover And whereas it may be objected the smalness of my interest in the Countrie it is well known that not one man in the Countrie had the like interest amongst the ordinarie sort and I could have raised as many men as one of a great deal more substance which was the occasion of my being drawn into this evil Contrivance which through Gods providence was prevented and by my Confession though I was long kept from it by the Earl's and Mr. Ely's promises of reward and preferment may become of great use to the King and Countrie which time may discover although at present the Priest excommunicates me and the voices of evil Confederates and their Allies are open against me And I do declare that my Confession was got from me not onely through fear but out of love I had to that Religion I had formerly professed which was got so near my heart That bloud which I must have been guiltie of my Conscience would not suffer me to shed nor would I leave that Allegiance which was due to my gracious Soveraign And I do bless God for my Return from that hellish bloudie Plot and do pray the Readers favourable Construction of him that is c. a devoted Servant to the publick good of King and Kingdom John Macnemarrah The Vindication of Edward Ivie Gent. BEing of no long residence in the Kingdom of Ireland I shall speak but little of my self My Relations lived in the Counties of Devon Wilts and Somersetshire in England being all very responsible men and I lived most of my time in Somersetshire in a Town-called Winecauton and was in the late Wars a great sufferer for his Majestie both in Bodie and Estate and since ever readie to serve his Majestie on all occasions especially in times of greatest danger as in Sir Joseph Wagstaffe's Engagement in which I was an Actor and for which I was forced to abscond and never was counted otherwise but a person whose Testimonie was fit to be taken both Publick and Private Neither do I believe but the Earl of Tyrone would look upon me under that Character if I had been a Witness for him else he would never have endeavoured to have had me entrap Mr. Samson and to have come in against him as in my Examination is expressed Wherefore all that I shall say is That if through my Testimonie I have been the occasion of Mr. Macnemarrah his confessing and declaring the great danger the English Protestants were in and the preventing of the same through Gods mercie and the vigilancie of our Superiours all that I desire is the accepting of the Endeavours of a Loyal Subject and Servant to his Countrie Edw. Ivie The Vindication of Thomas Samson Gent. SInce it hath been the usual practice of the Romish Partie in reference to the late Plot to asperse the Witnesses for his Majestie endeavouring thereby the purging of their own Faults by taking in question others thereby to make the world believe their false Reports and to buzz them in the ears that it is for sinister ends these things are brought in question having little else but assassinating the lives and scandalizing their names to clear their Villanies as appears by those alreadie murdered and like to be And it would be an encouragement to future Evidences if any of the Kings Evidence could but escape their Jesuitical Pen blondie Hand or black Mouths Wherefore as something hath been spoken in vindication of the other Evidences so I crave the Readers patience to speak something in my own vindication which I shall endeavour to do to undeceive the world by declaring these three things 1. The condition of my Person and Family 2. The true Grounds moving me to appear in this Case 3. In answering the Prejudices and Objections whereby the Accused have laboured to traduce and defame me First As to my Person I was born in Sherburne in the Countie of Dorset of an honest and credible Family being in Marriage and otherwise related to the chiefest Inhabitants in that place having passed all the Offices of the Town where I lived under Mr. Lyford and Divine well known by his learned Works then Minister of the place and after his decease under the labours of others in a firm adherence to the Protestant Religion for above thirtie years But after the decease of my Wife I went into Ireland to gather up some Debts of my own and others by whom I was employed And