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A04528 The Catholique iudge: or A moderator of the Catholique moderator Where in forme or manner of a plea or suite at law, the differences betweene those of the Reformed Church, and them of the Romish Church are decided; and without partialitie is shewed which is the true religion and catholique Church, for the instruction of either partie. Together with eight strong arguments or reasons, why the Popes cannot be competent iudges in these controversies. Written in the Dutch and French tongue, by Iohn of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman. Translated out of French into English, by the right worshipfull and learned Knight Sir A.A. John of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman.; A. A., Sir. 1623 (1623) STC 14651; ESTC S107831 50,836 96

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lib. 2. de Const pag. 138. Henry the fift Adrian the fourth and Alexander excommunicated Fredericke the first Innocent the third Philip the sonne of Fredericke Gregorie the ninth Fredericke the second and that three sundrie times to be briefe Innocent the fourth Conradus the fourth And all this was done for the most part because they would not in all things performe the will of the Popes And euen still at this present the greatest part of kings and Realmes Princes and Potentates of Christendome are in subiection to the Pope as his vassales and homagers Perfidiousnesse the sixt reason of refusall In the sixt place Persidiousnes the sixt reason of refusall the Reformed accuse the Popes of perfidiousnesse or faithlesnesse and sedition shewing by auncient Histories worthy of credit that the Popes haue euer tended to this end and purpose so soone as they vnderstand that any difference and dissention was raised or set on foote betweene kings and great Potentates to entertaine and nourish the same debate and dissention by their Emissaries and Messengers but yet according or compounding with the one or the other partie that if so be either of the two could vsurpe or obtaine that kingdome of his aduersarie that then he should make some acknowledgment to the Romane see for so good and happie successe And so soone as the sayd accord and secret conspiracie past was consented vnto the aduerse partie was forth-with excommunicated by the Popes as an heretike his realme exposed as a prey to whomsoeuer would invade or conquer it first by puting in for it The which the reformed shew by expresse examples for touching the first although the king of France Lewis the 12. deliuered to the Pope Iulius two certaine Cities so it is that the Pope not therewith contented did cast him out of his protection and exposed his realme to devastation or spoile Arnobius Benn Iuil Bul. masse lib. 5. And whereas the same Pope Iulius for diuers wicked and scandalous facts which are hereafter recited was suspended from his papall authoritie by the Counsel of Pisa albeit the sayd Counsell was disturbed by the sayd Pope and transported to Lions he was enraged with such choller that he was resolued to leauie an armie and to enter into France and when al things were in readinesse and himselfe mounted on horse-backe he caused the souldiers to passe through the Citie of Rome The Pope casts S. Peters Keyes into Tiber and drawes S. Pauls sword beyond the riuer Tiber and pronounced alowde and plainely these wordes in presence of many thousands of people Goe to since the keyes of S. Peter are no more availeable let vs vnsheath the rustie sword of S. Paul and therewithall casting Saint Peters keies into Tiber he drew his sword threatning with a grim and frowning countenance and gnashing his teeth to ruinate and vtterly destroy the Frenchmen The ensample of Philip Augustus is also like to the former for the said king Philip hauing conquered from the English a great part of his kingdome Pope Innocent the third first sent two Legats into France to trouble the state and to stirre vp tumults and seditions and afterwards had so incited incensed Otho the third and Ferdinand Earle of Flanders against the French that they had at that time lost their kingdom if the two Princes afore-said had not by their constancie hindered and withstood the wicked imaginations plotts of the Pope But what is this say the reformed to produce such ancient Histories considering that modern examples are yet fresh in euery mans memorie The yeere 1585. Pope Sixtus the fift thundered lightened with his excommunication against Henry of Burbone king of France of Nauarre Brut. fulmen Six 5. in regi Gall. Nauar. And against Henry of Burbone Prince of Condy likewise against all their race and posteritie and hauing excommunicated them as heretikes did therewithall giue in pray all their countries and Cities And that also which afterwards fell out is sufficiently knowne to all which is that the same Pope Sixtus the yere 1588. solemnly proclaimed the kingdome of England to be hereticall and gaue the same to Philip king of Spaine If we will also behold and consider the perfidiousnes or faithlesnesse and spirituall and Ecclesiasticall disloyaltie of Popes we shal find in ancient Histories that the Popes of Rome haue in all times contended among themselues for the papall Chaire or dignitie For Iohn the twentie foure being come to Bolonia as Legate with many Souldiers The Ecclesiasticall perfidiousnes of Popes much threatned all the Cardinals if they chuse a Pope that were not to his liking diuers being named and propounded to none of which he would giue his consent at length hee was required that himselfe would signifie whom he would haue to be chosen Then hee sayd giue me this vestment or attire of S. Peter Popes chuse themselues Stella venetus and I will deliuer it to him that shall be Pope which being done he put it vpon himselfe and said I am the Pope And albeit this act greatly displeased all the other Cardinalls they were notwithstanding forced against their willes to yeeld consent In like manner Iohn the twentie two chose himselfe to be Pope when the election was referred to him The Reformed Christians say moreouer that they can proue that the same time there haue been Foure three and two Popes at the same time gouerning sometimes foure sometimes three sometimes two Popes For Victor Alexander the third Calixtus the third and Paschall had altogether at once the papall authoritie In the time of the Emperour Fredericke Barbarossa and Benedict the eight Siluester the second and Gregorie the fift were Popes all at a time vntill at the length Henry the third Emperour deposed them Likewise Gregorie the twelfth Benedict the thirteenth and Alexander did by excommunications arrogate or obtaine the papall authoritie all of them thundering their thunder-boults the same time Moreouer diuers of them haue challenged the triple Crowne and for the same haue made warre one against the other Stephen the third against Constantine Sergius the third against Christopher Vrbane the fift against Clement the seventh Eugenius the fourth against Clement the eight And diuerse other Popes the mentioning of which would be too tedious and troublesome haue done the like as is verified by their owne Historiographers Let euery man iudge then say the Reformed if these actes aboue mentioned may not rightly bee called perfidiousnesse and sedition Antichristianisme the seventh cause of refusall In the seventh place The seventh reason the Popes cannot bee competent and sufficient Iudges in the controversie of Religion for that as the Reformed maintaine the Popes themselves were that Antichrist which the holy Scripture testifieth to be the wicked one the same childe of perdition 2 Thes 2. Apoc. 17. 1 Cor. 1.6 2 Cor. 6. Ephes 2. 1 Tim. 4. that opposeth and lifteth vp himselfe against all which is
was so subdued and opposed by falshood that she could in a manner no where shew or manifest her selfe All this notwithstanding hence it followes not That the Church of Iesus Christ was never wanting that the Church either hath been at sometime abolished or extinguished and quite smoothered or that the Reformed doe contend and striue against the true Church For the Church of Christ hath ever subsisted beene and continued and shall endure so long time as the Lord Iesus Christ shall raigne vnder the sure protection and safegard of whom it is secured and defended howbeit notwithstanding the outward forme is not alwayes alike visible and apparent So that the Reformed maintaine that they impugne or go not against the true Church in any sort but together with the same they call vpon adore with perfect vnion one selfesame God belieue in one alone Iesus Christ who hath bin in all times called vpon worshipped by all the faithfull children of God But the Reformed Christians protest on the other side that they are separated from that Synagogue or Assembly which hath not retained or preserued true faith and religion but aduanced humane traditions aboue divine Oracles which would lay vpon mens consciences burdens insupportable which hath attempted imperiously to beare sway ouer their faith forbidden and hindered the pure preaching of the Word of God and the due and rightfull administration of the Sacraments which is accustomed yeerely to excommunicate them together with all the Christian Churches of Africke Egypt Syria Asia and Greece which persecuteth religious people and such as feare God which will not admit or allow of any reformation which corrupteth and blemisheth things necessary in the Christian Church which hath made necessary things indifferent and corrupted Lawes which hath tyed the Catholique or vniversall Church to one City Orbem in Vrbe briefly which is stained and defiled with all kinde of sinnes and iniquities By reason whereof the Reformed againe protest that they haue beene inforced to forsake this Assembly to obey the commandement of God and that they ought not to pollute nor charge their consciences with the false Romish doctrine lest they be made partakers of the iust and fearfull punishments of God which may befall the same They of the Romane Church for a finall conclusion demande hereupon Where the true Church hath beene so long hidden where the Church hath beene so long hidden For if the Church of Rome say they hath not beene the true Catholique Church must wee not necessarily condemne all those which hitherto haue lived vnder the Popedome The Reformed make answere that there haue been found in all times Christians as well in the Eastern Christian Churches as also in the Westerne vnder the Popes iurisdiction which Christians haue reiected those Popish abuses and corruptions and which is more hath sometimes encountred them both with liuely voyce and word of mouth In Regist lib. 4. cap. 82. Ad Iohan. Ep. Constan Epist 35. ad Maurit Impera Greg. Mag. and by their bookes and writings for not to speake of the ancient Fathers and of the Primitiue Church which the Reformed declare to haue beene wholly of one accord and consent with them in all the Articles of the true Faith and Christian Religion they can also plainely shew that there haue beene many in these last ages which haue consented to the reformation of Religion For albeit that Gregorie the Great maintained some errours yet heerein hee held a good and sound opinion that hee is Antichrist who suffereth himselfe to bee called soveraigne or vniversall Bishop Everardus Salisburg Everard Bishop of Salisberch proved in an eloquent Oration which hee made at the Councell of Regensberch that the Popes were Antichrists and that Pope Hildebrand layde the foundation of this domination or soveraignty of Antichrist Ioachim Calaber Francis Petr. more then 800. yeares agoe Ioachim Calaber at the same time did often call the Popes Antichrist Francis Petrarch in his writings especially in his twentith Epistle hath very sharply enveighed against the Popes Arnulphus Arnulph Bishop of Orleance openly at the Coūcell of Rhemes called the Popes Antichrist Bernardus Saint Bernard in the yeere M. did challenge encounter the Popes as servants of Antichrist At the same time Michael Centenas affirmed the Popes to be Antichrist Ierome Sauanorola borne in Ferrara Hieronymus Sauanorola preached throughout all Italy that the Popes were Antichrists also that their doctrine were prophane for which he was burned at Florence by the commandement of Pope Alexander the sixt Thomas Reiden did absolutely contemne and reiect the Popedome Thomas Reiden and was therefore also burned vnder Pope Eugenius the fourth Laurentius Valla about an hundred yeeres past Laurentius Val. called Rome Babylon and the Pope Antichrist hee further said that the donation of Constantine was forged by the Popes themselues in such sort that hee opposed himselfe earnestly against the Popes by reason whereof being exciled he was very honourably receiued by the King of Naples Iohn Wickliffe did stoutly and worthily impugne and resist the Popedome in England Iohann Wickilf who was shortly after seconded by Iohn Hus Iohannes Hus. Hieron Prague and Ierome of Prague both which were imprisoned at the Councell of Constance and there were also burned for the profession of true religion So that finally an hundred yeeres after followed Martin Luther who more plainely expounded and layd open the true religion and openly encountred with the Popedome Now the principall Potentates of Christendome haue endeavoured in diverse sorts and manners to hinder and restraine the great multitude of them that haue imbraced or followed this doctrine Diuers examinations of Luthers doctrine For the Emperour Maximilian at Ausbureg in the yeere 1518. and Charles the fifth and Ferdinand with divers other Kings and Princes first of all the yeere 1520. at Wormes next the yeere 1523. at Noremberch afterwards the yeere 1529. at Spires after that the yeere 1530. at Auspurge againe and finally the yeere 1532. at Regensburge and the yeere 1540. at Hagenau All these Potentates aforesayd say the Reformed at these sundry times haue in part thēselues heard the remonstrance declaration of Luther made with his owne mouth in part caused his doctrine to bee examined by their owne Doctors But afterwards when they perceived that by all their banishment imprisonments and by all the fire and gibbets they could bring nothing to passe They were at length constrained to follow the counsell of Gamaliel The counsell of Gamaliel Act 5. who advised the Iewes to permit the Apostles to preach For if their worke were of men it would quickly come to naught but if it were of Goa they could not ouerthrow it Let every man then in like manner conclude or resolue of the religion of the Reformed Church In the meane while yee Kings Princes and all yee Inhabitants of the earth who desire to obtaine eternall salvation bee wise and well advised Serue the Lord with feare and reioyce in him with trembling Kisse the Sonne lest hee be angry and yee perish from the way When his wrath is kindled but a little blessed are all they that put their trust in him FINIS