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A67619 An answer to certain seditious and Jesuitical queres heretofore purposely and maliciously cast out to retard and hinder the English forces in their going over into Ireland ... Waring, Thomas, 17th cent. 1651 (1651) Wing W872; ESTC R13161 43,770 74

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vigilance of that King to reliev them did stoutly beat them off and frustrated their unchristian intention Then that King finding them so embarked in their former rudeness and barbarisme as there was no faith or dutie to bee exspected from them and that they could not sit down in anie civil societie Hee by advice of his Council confiscated all their Estates and adjudged and declared the Irish generally to bee enemies and aliens in which condition they continued long after as is manifest by the Records and Statute-Laws of those times And then hee set his Subjects of England and Wales at full Libertie to win what they could in that Land towards the reducement thereof to his just Subjection for better accomplishment whereof hee made chois of ten special persons of qualitie and power in his other Dominions to whom by grant of inheritance hee divided the Lands of that whole Island who drawing together their several Alies friends and other adventurers they by that King's countenance and assistance so bestirred themselvs as within few years they became Masters and possessors of the whole Island and so continued quietly possessed for almost one hundred years without anie offence to England forcing the perfidious Irish who were then few in number after manie conflicts with them into Mountains Bogs and boggie woods there to wander up and down with the remain of their Cattel not daring to bee seen or to graze in anie of the more habitable parts where the English had footing special Statute-Laws prohibiting the same Laws also were made that upon pain of fellonie no Merchant or other liege person should trade with the Irish in market or otherwise It was also made fellonie to succor anie of the Irish enemies from the time of the foresaid division forward was that Island onely called the King's Land of Ireland till the reign of King Henrie the eighth as appear's by Acts of Parlament and all Records mentioning the same The division hee made was as followeth viz. To Richard Earl of Pembroke of Strigil called Strongbow he regranted the Kingdom or Territories of Leimster surrendred to him by the said Earl Richard whose it was pretended to bee in right of his wife sole daughter and heir of the last nominal or tributarie King thereof except Dublin and som lands thereunto lying part whereof is yet called the King's Land and beeing divided into Mannors the Free-holders paie chief rents into the Exchequer to this daie and except som maritim Towns Castles and som lands about them which hee reserved to himself To Bobert Fitz-Stephens and Myles Cogan hee granted the Territories called the Kingdom of Cork the Citie of Cork and som lands thereunto lying reserved as aforesaid excepted the heir of Cogan is yet possessor of som of those lands To Phillip le Bruce the Territories called the Kingdom of Limerick with donation of Bishopricks and Abbeies except the Citie of Limerick and a Cantred of Land adjoining reserved as aforesaid To Sr Hugh de Lacie Justice or as som write Custos of Ireland the territories called the Kingdom of Meath then of far greater extent then the name Meath now import's To Sr John de Coursie all Vlster which beeing a large continent was quietly possessed by him and his English tenements manie years After his death without heirs it was granted to Hugh Lacie who held it till forfeited then was it granted by King Edward the first to Walter de Burgo from whom it descended to William de Burgo And after those Lands and Signories were by Edward the fourth adjoined to the Demesne and Crown-Lands of England To William Fitz-Adelme de Burgo all Connaght except a small part for life given to Rotherick formerly nominal King thereof after whose death that Land also was by King Henrie the third granted to Richard de Burgo heir to William except the Cantreds of Roscomon Randon and two or three other Cantreds neer Athlon All which were after granted by succeeding Kings to other English onely Roscomon remained in the Crown till Queen Elizabeth granted the same to one Mr Malby This whole Countrie came after to the Crown by the marriage of Lionel Duke of Clarence son to King Edward the third with the Daughter and heir of de Burgo To Sr Thomas Clare of the stock of the Earl of Glocester all Ghomond now the Countie of Clare which was confirmed to the same Familie by grant from King Edward the first to Robert le Poer all the Countie of Waterford except the Citie and cantred about it the chief of the Familie of which Poers is now a Baron to Otho de Grandison all Tipperarie Afterwards King John having intelligence that the English began to bee at variance amongst themselvs by reason that the Laws were not so spread and administred as they should bee made a voiage in person thither with a competent force for his honor and safetie and then did hee divide the whole Land into Counties as they for the most part stand at this daie though Connaght and Vlster since are much subdivided hee carried over with him divers learned men for civil and ecclesiastical Notion hee ordered and established the Courts of Justice as in England viz. the Chancerie the Kings Bench Common Pleas and Exchequer and other Ecclesiastical Judicatures and setled competent Judges in them hee appointed Justices Itinerant and all other Officers for Law and execution of Justice and four tearms in the year to bee kept as in England by which the people became subject to Law the Irish beeing still held as enemies and Aliens were better governed lived in peace and great prosperitie manie years save what ruptures it endured by their own dissentions as hereafter appeareth So as by what is above specified it appear's the English were made lawfully inheritable and became possessed of the whole continent wheresoever they could finde places anie waie fit for habitation And to prove their possessions as well as their grants besides that in all the ancient Records taking cognizance of all the habitable parts of that Land in which those English are named you shall finde no Juries upon Inquiries or trial of anie causes whatsoever Capital Criminal or common where is mentioned anie Irish name but all English All their Officers and Ministers of Justice beeing the same and beside several Statute-Laws do assert their universal possession It is undeniably evident that generally all the now Freeholders of several great continents in that Island are English either descendents or deriving from those first adventurers or by ancient grants from the Crown upon their forfeitures though the truth is manie of their laborers underfarmers and tennants which they call Churls are and still were Irish the territories and Countries which those English and som of late settlement did and do possess are viz. in the Countie of Down the Countries of little Ards the Duffrey Lecale Mourn the Newrie and several other places of lesser note all the Countie of Lowth the whole Countie of Dublin
the Irish Partisans fell into the more northern parts of Connaght as the Counties of Sligo and Leitrim and also the Northern parts of the Countie of Roscomon who so fully accomplished the expulsion of the English as in the time of King Charls an intention beeing to plant that Province upon Inquirie made into everie particular man's holding there could not bee shewed anie antient Evidence for anie Land holden amongst them as in the other Provinces of Mounster and Leimster are to bee shewed in great numbers About the twentie fifth year of King Edward the third was Richard de Clare murthered by the men of Thomond at what time and after the Irish so insulted there as the English were either in short time massacred or forced into other parts for their more safetie And thus is plainly evidenced in brief part of the means of the great incroachments of the Irish upon the English possessions especially in the remote parts and now were the English Lords and such of the English Freeholders as they could draw or force with them arrived at a great height of degeneration Now had they for the most part betaken themselvs to the Brehan or Tanistree Law as they called it and other Irish usages and customs so destructive to themselvs and repudiated the English Laws brought with them under which they happily lived and under which the people of England had and have so manie ages florished and been famous through providence except what remained in the five shiers of the Pale and in som small circuits about the walled-Towns which reteined in som measure the English Laws Now did they generally embrace the Irish garb of licentiousnes and tyrannie over the inferiors They erected amongst themselvs Captain-ships in their Countries after the Irish fashion and unwisely suffered the Irish to do the like where they had gotten footing applauding them in all things whereby the Irish were raised into a kinde of Dominion they little obeied or regarded the Governors sent out of England though for their onely good and manie times to rescue them from the Irish outrages and furie and reconcile their own unnatural jars they suffered not the King's Writs to run in their Countries but they would undertake in a summarie waie to answer for their followers as they now call them for what wrong or crime soever committed they assumed Irish nicknames as the chief of the Burks Mr William Brimingham Mr Yoris Mangle Mr Costelo Dexeter Mr Jorden Archdeacon Mr Odo Condon Mr Maiog one of the Garaldines Mr Gibbon and som hundreds the like in that Land and this they did in contempt of the English name and Nation They went to the wars in Irish furniture to their horses and Irish arms defensive and offensive shearing their horses mains after the Irish manner Insomuch as afterwards there was necessitie by Laws to enforce them to ride in saddles the Irish riding onely on small quilted pillions fastned onely with a sursingle they combined in sull complacencie for cours of life with the Irish in all things even to rebellious actions several times yea so far were they sunck in this base degeneration and defection as the Earl of Desmond claimed privilege never to com to Parlament or within walled Town but at his own pleasure which privilege hee in Queen Elizabeth's time surrendred and renounced And it was resolved amongst them that becaus they by violence and oppression had intruded into the Lands of the inferior English and given the Irish libertie to dwell there first at will though it proved otherwise after and finding the power out of England slack to controul them by reason of other imploiments They at length judged it most preservative to incorporate with the Irish and so cast off the English Law and Loialtie presuming thereby the better to keep what they had so ravished knowing well that if the English Law gained concurrencie amongst them the parties wronged or their descendents removed as aforesaid would doubtles recover their own and so shorten the great revenues and cuttings wherein they thought they had ascertained a compleat interest by those waies of confusion But it fell out otherwise in shor time for by God's just avengement on their wickedness the Irish who manie years lived in the Island as aforesaid by their sufferance neither of force nor anie waie deterred by the English daily increasing in numbers actuated in Martial Discipline possessed also though but at will of great quantities of Land they as opportunities offered part whereof is after herein expressed rose up against their Lords especially in the Woodland Countries and called the Lands their own and in short time became formidable to the English who began now to finde their error in so prodigiously forgetting themselvs their noble ancestors and originals and the glorious Kingdom from whence they came putting themselvs in a manner into the hands of their slavish enemies and as may bee said were transformed into another people These disorders fractures and insolencies and the great pressures and detriments of the English crying loud into England at last the noble and victorious Prince King Edward the third pitying their deformed and lapsed condition in the thirtie sixth year of his reign though his forrein engagements were great and heavie at that time sent thither as his Lieutenant Lionel Duke of Clarence his third son above mentioned with a competent strength to reduce things to some better form this young Lord continued there for the most part seven yeers brought with him a good and honorable Council both for peace and warr set himself with all zeal and affection specially to reorder the English Colonies if it might be to reintegrate them in their pristin estates freedom and government himself having good interest there as is above touched To this Livetenant manie of the Irish made submissions as they had manie times don before to King Henrie the second King John and after to King Richard the second and others authorised by the Kings of England he had sundrie conflicts with the Irish verie manie of the English after a short time siding with him About the 40 yeer of King Edward the third he held that famous Parlament at Kilkenny wherein plainly appear's by the Lawes made there and som others formerly enacted by Rockesby Justice of Ireland 25 E. 3 the great degeneration and deformitie of the old English above specified Laws and Statutes being the best Dictates of the maladies of times and that the principal labour was to reform and bring into temper and rule of Law the old English Colonies Som particulars of which Laws were viz. Against Parlies with the Irish without leave That Chieftains should assist and apprehend Felons Against barbarous Fees and extortions of the Lord's Officers called Marshals Against the English calling the Irish to help them in their quarrels Against the Lords distreining contrarie to the English Law That the English should only use the English Law and not the custom called the Brehan Law
uncertainely and falsly grounded are worthie of no answer at all having all along the plain marks of insoliditie and sedition upon them yet to satisfie the doubts of such judicious and upright men as onely desire to know the truth and com not with a minde pre-occupate and suborned by injurious principles I shall indeavor to lay open the Querist's errors and delirements resolve the Queres hee makes and discover the truth in the things hee most harp's upon for his advantage and becaus I conceiv the Jesuit's first Quere though not in plain words yet implicitely by insinuation intend's principally Ireland and the pretended interest of the Irish as hee in som of them after expresseth And although also my short and weak wings are farr deficient to soar so high a pitch as to cite all or neer the sum of all authentick Authors and Records manifesting the proprietie right and interest of the Land of Ireland to be originally in the British yet becaus those of the Nation of England already led away with the aërie and vain pretenses of the Irish and who never yet scrutinized the English interest may bee undeceived made sensible of their former errors possessed with the English right bee acquainted with the iterated rebellions of the Irish in manie ages the often reducing and bringing them to subjection by the British or English and with other things by these Queres made disputable I shall freely contribute my Talent to this so necessarie work and first set down the Queres in order and then answer them severally AN ANSWER TO THE Irish Queres The first Quere WHether the Land or inheritance that a Nation hath for som hundreds or thousands of yeers enjoyed and possessed without any others laying claim to have a more special right to the same bee not their special right which God and nature hath given them The first Answer IN this first Quere the Querist desire 's to have it inferred and also granted that the Irish Inhabitants as they now stand in opposition to England are an entire Nation and that they were the first and sole Proprietors of Ireland as given unto them by God and nature whereas in truth they are a people composed partly of the old Britains the first Inhabitants thereof partly of Scythians and Gothes sent thither out of Biscaie in Spain partly of Danes and other Easterlings som sent in by the Kings of Britain and others intruding themselvs and principallly of English sent thither by the Kings of England in several ages as in the ensuing discours shall appear so as the fraud and fallacie of this first Quere being cleerly laid open strike's farr to the answering of all the rest And first to say somthing of the soil and Island now called Ireland which by several ancient writers hath been rendred by several other names signifying for the most part that it is a Western part of Britain which the very name now given unto it by the Irish viz. Eirin signifying a western Countrie doth much demonstrate and besides at this day a part of Mounster in Ireland is called Hiermoun in English West-Mounster which shew the name Eirin to bee derived from Hier which is west as appear's plainly by Mr Cambden a faithful relater of the best antiquities extant the ancient Geographer writeth in these words of Islands for greatness the Indian Taprobane is prime and principal next after it Britain and in third degree another British Island called Hibernia that is Ireland whereupon Ptolomie in his writings of Geographie call's it in plain words Britannia parva the old Geographers called it the Britains Island Strabo called the Inhabitants Britains Diodorus Siculus termed Irin a part of Britain and Aristotle in his book de mundo Cap. 3. hath these words as they stand translated viz. Ibi sunt Insulae quae quantitate maximae habentur numero verò duae sunt Britanicae dicuntur Albion Hibernia By all which it fall's cleer that by the most ancient and authentick writers the Island of Ireland was ever taken and accounted a British Island only belonging to great Britain neither is it found in any approved Writer or Record that ever any King or Potentate claimed right or interest in the soil or Land of that Island save only the Kings of great Britain in right of their Kingdom now called England which in several ages they have not failed to doe by reducing and subduing the unjust rebellion and usurpation of those unrulie Inhabitants and if you look into Monuments or Records of later time you shall never finde it called a Kingdom or a Realm till in the reign of Henrie the 8. when by Act of Parlament it was made and styled a Kingdom and that King declared and confessed King thereof unanimously agreed by all the Inhabitants of that Island But that by all Acts of Parlament in that Land and other Records it was alwaies till then for 400 yeers or thereabouts called the King's land of Ireland and by several Acts of Parlament viz. one Act in the twentie eighth yeer of that King Henry the 8 reign Cap. 2. That Land is declared to be appending and belonging to England And by another Act there made in that King's reign the said Island is declared to be a Member appending and rightfully belonging to England and united to the same and in severall other Acts there the same in substance is asserted and ordained and all this agreed and assented unto by the very Ancestors of those now in Arms there against England and the Governors thereof and yet by this Querist it is esteemed to bee an Original entire Nation distinct from any Conqueror yea such as hee scruple 's to have them call'd Rebels Thus having given you the opinion and report of the ancient and som modern proofs of the denomination and full relation of that Island to Great Britain it will bee requisite that by the like ancient and modern evidence the just right and proprietie of the English to that Land and to the dominion thereof and to the naturall subjection of all the Inhabitants thereof to England bee also manifested and avowed the better to let the world see the Querist's fraud and subtiltie in this general vast Quere and indeed throughout all the rest of his abusive Queres and insinuations Mr Cambden that faithfull searcher into Antiquities affirmeth that most of the best approved and knowing Writers out of Antiquities do determin that the first known Inhabitants of Ireland were Britains sent thither by the Kings of Great Britain of which opinion he conclude's himself to bee but that they could not send sufficient Inhabitants to replenish such a Continent and that by a great mortalitie happening among them they were much diminished and you may perceiv by a Statute made in Ireland in the 11. yeer of Queen Elizabeth that Gormond by som Writers called Gorgund Son to Belin King of Great Britain was Lord of Biscaie in Spain as his posteritie long after him