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A85817 A speech made by Alderman Garroway, at a common-hall, on Tuesday the 17. of January. Vpon occasion of a speech delivered there the Friday before, by M. Pym, at the reading of His Majesties answer to the late petition. Wjth [sic] a letter from a scholler in Oxfordshire, to his vnkle a merchant in Broad-street, upon occassion of a book intituled, A moderate and most proper reply to a declaration, printed and published under His Majesties name, Decemb. 8. intended against an ordinance of Parliament for assessing, &c. Sent to the presse by the merchant, who confesseth himselfe converted by it. Also a true and briefe relation of the great victory obtained by Sir Ralph Hopton, neere Bodmin, in the county of Cornwall, Jan. 19. 1642. Garraway, Henry, Sir, 1575-1646.; Heylyn, Peter, 1600-1662. True and briefe relation of the great victory obtained by Sir Ralph Hopton, neare Bodmin. 1643 (1643) Wing G281; Thomason E245_29; Thomason E245_30; ESTC R1075 21,314 16

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A Letter from a Scholler in Oxfordshire to his Uncle a Merchant in Broad-street upon occasion of a Booke intituled A moderate and most proper Reply to a Declaration Printed and published under His Majesties Name Decemb. 8. intended against an Ordinance of Parliament for assessing c. sent to the Presse by the Merchant who confesseth himself converted by it SIR I Received your Letter and the two Books you sent mee on Saturday last by the last Carrier and have ever since imployed my thoughts and best Reason upon them and in summing up to my selfe the whole state of the Case which is truly the subject matter of this dispute You know Sir what obligations I have to you for your care and expence in my education and for recommending mee into so pious and honourable a Family and therefore would not willingly dissent from you in an Opinion to which to my sorrow I find you so much wedded But since you require from me to try to perswade my Father whom you call Malignant to make himself a good Example in the City by freely bringing in the twentieth part of his estate before the Assessors fetch it and to perswade and enable mee to perswade him to it you inclosed the Kings Declaration against the Ordinance for that Payment and an Answer as you are pleased to call it a most cleer and convincing one to that Declaration I suppose you will sooner excuse me for giving you my Reasons why I cannot obey you then for a silent sullen disobedience And I differ from you with the more confidence because it seems by your Letter that I have the Authority of a Father for mee though I have that of an Uncle against me Truly Sir I am so much satisfied with the Kings Declaration and so little with the Reply That I cannot but thinke that the two Houses did purposely avoid replying themselves and turn'd it over to another as finding their side too weak to be mayntained and thinking it lesse dishonourable to be confuted by Proxy And that the most proper Reply to such Declarations is to forbid the Printing and publishing under paine of Plundering and Imprisonment And indeed if all that hath beene written on both sides had beene suffered freely and indifferently as was required by Justice and desired by the King to have beene communicated to and examined by the People to whom the House of Commons had first and without any president in that way begun to appeal those Paper-bullets as hee calls them would have killed this War in the wombe and the same People who have beene now seduced into Rebellion would have kept their Seducers to their Loyalty whether they would or no I shall now come to the Reply it selfe in answer to which if I shall speake of things that you may conceive me a stranger to I shall desire you to remember how industrious a curiosity I have ever had to informe my selfe fully in all the Questions of the Times how carefully I studied the Questions of Arminianisme the point of Ship-money and the disputes about Altar and Table and then you will not wonder if in a question which concerned as well the subsistence as the Salvation of all the Subjects of this Kingdom I have not beene lazie to satisfie my self as well in Right as in Fact of which though the latter by reason of my condition was harder to me yet what with my Interest in the Gentleman of the House of Commons who was my Pupill in Oxford What with my acquaintance with some Exeter Colledge-men Chaplains to some of the Kings Regiments men ever till now rather esteemed Puritans then Popishly affected and by being often present by their means where some discreet Officers of the Kings have often met I am confident I am so well inform'd that what I shall say is come to mee by very good Conduit pipes though I had it not from the Spring-head Mee thinks if the Authour of this Reply had intended that his moderation should have reacht any farther then the Title of his Book he would not in the very first lines have confuted his Title and spoken so scornfully of a Declaration under His Majesties Name as hee doth in the Phrase of the Pen that drops this Declaration and so falsly and maliciously as to say It is fellow to the Tongue which cuts like a sharpe Rasour to say that Malignity was the Whetstone and that it cares not though it mangle Truth and goodnesse For suppose that his implicit belief in some Vote of the House of Commons as when to free Sir Henry Ludlow for saying in that House upon the reading of a Declaration sent from the King enclosed in a Letter signed and sealed by His own Royall Hand and Signet That hee that made that Declaration deserv'd not to be King of England they Voted as if pretending to Inspiration that that Declaration was not the Kings for you know I was present when this was related to you the same night at Supper by a Parliament man Suppose I say this confidence in some such new Vote upon this occasion should have perswaded him that the King did not wholly endite it Himselfe yet since He visibly did allow of and send it I wonder He should not conceive it to be as much His as this very Ordinance is the Act of both Houses Since it is more evident that the Houses did not write this then that the King writ not the other and that being drawn up by their Command and published by their Authority as the other is by the Kings is all that can make it theirs And yet I believe a Person that were brought to the Bar for using the same words of their Ordinance would not be excused from breach of Priviledge by answering that not the Houses but some Committee or particular Member of them was the Author of it Next the King objects the totall destruction of the Liberty and Propriety of all His Subjects by the imprisonment of their persons without cause and disposing of their Estates without Law and the Reply acknowledges as much as the Declaration objects by that full and sufficient Answer What have these men to doe to talke of fundamentall Laws It were well he would have it moved that an Ordinance be made that the Laws should no more be spoken of for doing as they doe they can get little advantage by such discourses else that the King who is sworne to protect the Law should alone not have leave no name it were a very hard case But perhaps the Replyer may defend himself by saying he imitates onely the Style of the Psalmes why doe the wicked take my Law in their mouth and follows only the usuall Style of all their Sermons who whatsoever is said of wicked Kings and Persons assume Authority to take it for granted as applyable to the Person of our gracious Prince and of all those who venture their Lives to assist and defend Him for to defend himselfe hee