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A09112 The vvarn-vvord to Sir Francis Hastinges wast-word conteyning the issue of three former treateses, the Watch-word, the Ward-word and the Wast-word (intituled by Sir Francis, an Apologie or defence of his Watch-word) togeather with certaine admonitions & warnings to thesaid [sic] knight and his followers. Wherunto is adioyned a breif reiection of an insolent, and vaunting minister masked with the letters O.E. who hath taken vpon him to wryte of thesame [sic] argument in supply of the knight. There go also foure seueral tables, one of the chapters, another of the controuersies, the third of the cheif shiftes, and deceits, the fourth of the parricular [sic] matters conteyned in the whole book. By N.D. author of the Ward-word. Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. 1602 (1602) STC 19418; ESTC S114221 315,922 580

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that the King and those about him did say that the Archbishop had styrred vp the K. of Fraunce and the Earle of Flanders against them and that this was held by them for most certayne vppon diuers euidences But what these euidences were none of them do set down So that heere is no condemnation at all from the Card themselues but only that they relate what the King and his part sayd and yet yow must note that S. Francis besydes other euil translation of the words hath wilfully corrupted the last clause of all to make it seeme as though it proceeded from the Card. iudgment to wit Quadrileg de vita B. Thom. lib. 5. cap. venientes as is by diuers euidences most certayn wheras in latyn after the first words Asserebat Rex sucrum pars c. The king with the greater part of his affirmed that the Archbishop had done this c. yt followeth Sicut sibi pro ce●to constabat euid●ntibus apparebat indicijs as to them it was held for certayne and appeared by euident signes Out of which woords S. F. of purpose cutteth of both sibi and indicijs False dealing of Syr Francis to them signes For that by the first yt was euident that this was spoken in the name of the King and his frends and not of the Card. and by the second appeareth that the euidence which the King and his had of this matter and accusation was founded only in signes and coniectures which being euident to our K ● he did not only stryke out the sayd words but maketh also a seuere inference vpon the rest that are left mangled by him self as yow haue seene his inference is this Pag. Ibid. Now sayth he for a subiect to styrre vp forrein states to make warre vpon his soueraygne and countrey was at all tymes high treason but that Becket did so by the Card confession was by diuers euidences most certayne Therfore Becket not now his enemies but his brethren the sonnes of his owne mother being iudges was a traytor Lo heer the inuincible argument of our learned knight yf any man can trust him hereafter vpon his woords I shal much maruaile seing him so shamelesse in a matter so euidēt For who discouereth not the impudency of his second proposition when he sayeth that Becket did so by the Card. confession wh●ras the Card. confesse no such thing but only say that the king and his people did affirme it nether did the Card. say as our K t. falsly chargeth them that the matter was certayne to them by diuers euidences but only that the king sayd yt was certayn or seemed so to him by diuers euident signes and coniectures Shamefully then hath our K t. abused the authority of these Card. as he doth comonly all authors that come through his hāds And with this I end this controuersy of S. Thomas his cause with the King which cause whatsoeuer the K t. tatleth to the cōtrary yet was yt neuer accoūpted treason or named so by any author that wrote in that tyme eyther frend or foe nor shal S. F. be able to alleadge me any one instance to the contrary before Luthers dayes And as for the King himself though he pursued him eagerly for that he would not yeild to his desyre touching Eccles. iurisdiction yet neuer is it read that he euer called or coūpted him for a traytor nor any forrayne Prince whatsoeuer And within 8. yeares after his death as before I noted both he and Lewes the K. of Fraunce went in Pilgrimage to his tombe at Canterbury which is lykely they would not haue done nether the one nor the other yf they had reputed him for a traytor Iohn Stow putteth downe the relation thus The 27. of August both the Kings came to Canterbury Stovv anno Domini 1179 reg Hent 21. 25. where they were with due honor receaued c. Lewes K. of France offered vpon the tombe and to the shryne of Thomas Becket a riche cup of gold he gaue also that renowned pretious stone that was called the regal of France which K. Henry the 8. put afterwards in a ring wore yt on his thombe c. Thus saith Stow out of other authors And whether king Lewes of France would haue taken a iorney into England to the shryne of a man that he knew and had talked withal few yeares before and would haue offered such pretious gyfts yf he had suspected him for a traytor or that his miracles had byn faynd as after Sir F. affirmeth and whether king Henry himself being no way forced therunto wold haue accompained him in such an action to his owne disgrace who commonly was reputed to haue byn the cause of his death yf he had held him for a traytor let euery man iudge And so we shal passe from his point to another about his miracles wherin the cauillers shew themselues more vayne conscienslesse and malitious yf it may be then in the former OF S. THOMAS HIS myracles and what may be thought of them and other such lyke with the malitious corruption and falshood vsed by Iohn Fox and S. F. to discredit them There is handled also the different manner of Canonising sainctes in their and our Churche CAP. XI AMONG many other arguments that I vsed in the VVardword for the holynes of this Archbishop to all which this VVastword answereth no one word at all I said also that many miracles haue byn recorded by graue authors and publike testimony of the whole Iland 〈◊〉 3. and of forraine wryters to haue byn wrought by God at his sepulcher and otherwise by his intercession in witnes of his sanctity Vpon which words Syr F. taketh occasion with his heretical spirit of incredulity to iest and blaspheme at all miracles of Pope-made Saints for that is his cōtumelious terme but with what reason truth prudēce or piety we shal somwhat here examine by this occasion noting first two poynts to this purpose The first that the miracles of S. Thomas dōne presently after his death had a circūstāce annexed vnto them Tvvo especial confiderations in the miracles of S. Thom. which greatly confirmeth their certainty to wit that they brought with them the publike reproof of one of the greatest kings that day in Christendome if not the greatest of all which was king Henry the second by whose fault he was put to death who laboured with all his power for auoyding that infamy eyther to suppresse or improue the miracles that fel out And who knoweth not what the force and fauour of such a Prince may do in such a cause and yet was the multitude and euidency of S. Thom. his miracles such as they brake through all obstacles that the king could put against them and so conquered himself also as he finally yeilded and went to his sepulcher wept did pennance as by all authors is euident This then is the first poynt of consideration in this affayre
her Ma tie wil needs be pratlyng of these affayres not content with this goeth further to renew worse sores and to accuse both K. Henry himselfe and all the State and Parlament of that tyme with wilful murder and tyranny towards that lady and Queene saying Odious matter brought in by this hungry parasite 1. Pag. 3. The Popes adhaer●ntes in England neuer ceased vntil they ha● brought her Ma ties most innocent Mother to her end which was the greatest griefe that tormented the King lying on his death bed sore repenting himselfe for the wrongful shedding of the innocent Queenes blood neyther did they onlie murder the innocent Mother but also sought by act of Parlament to disable and from the succession to exclude the daughter All this how true or vntrue it is the storie and actes of Parlaments of K. Henries lyfe do testifie Lib. Statute cap. 7. an Hen. 2● especiallie that of the 28. yeare of his raigne and whether matters passed so long agoe with such publike authoritie deliberation and cōsent as these did may be called now into question againe to the infamy both of the said K. her Maiesties Father and of his state counsel and nobilitie by such a pettie compagnion as this is only to flatter and to get himself a bigger benefice and without all ground or former testimony therof in storie or other authentical register let all the world iudge as also how neare O. E. resembleth heere Oedipus who killed his owne Father to marry his mother which mysterie I leaue to the curious reader to apply in this place One thing is certayne that howsoeuer the matter passed at that tyme for iustice or iniustice the cheife doers therof next to the king himselfe were prote●●ants namelie Cromwel Cranmer that could do most with him at that tyme The dealing of Cromvvel and Cranmer about Q. Anne Bollē and in effect all and the first of them was principally imployed in the said Queenes condemnation and death as appeareth yet by publike recordes and the second was vsed for her defamacion after her death as is extant at this day in the foresaid statute it selfe where Cranmers sentence is recorded iud●ciallie giuen by him An Henry 2● cap. 7. as Archbishop of Canterburie affirming of his owne accord and knowledge such ●hings as no wyse or modest man I thinke wil beleeue and I ●or th● same cause and for dewtiful respect to her Maiestie do forbear to repeat the same heere though it be vnder his hand and seale but such a good fellow was Cranmer the first piller of protestant religion in England Sand. lib. 1. de Schis that for gayne of liuing or fauour and for enioying quietly his woman which he caried about with him in a trūke at those dayes he would say or sweare or vnsay any thing the sentence may be seene by him that wil for it is extant in print in the English booke of Statutes Neyther can this Sycophantes calūniatiō affirming the said Queens death to be procured by the Popes adherēts in Englād haue any probabilitie at al seing that no adherent to the Pope was in credit or authoritie in that tyme but rather in all disgrace and daunger and so much of this After the foresaid Sycophancie and foolish calumniations vsed against Catholikes for wishing euel to her Maiestie our Minister turneth agayne to his worke of flatterie and telleth more prayses of her Maiesties gouernment as though our businesse and controuersy stoode in this and not rather in the euel euents which haue succeeded by change of religion And to helpe S r. F. out from the charge of flatterie layd vnto him after much ydle babling Sup cap. 1. about particular blessings wherin notwithstanding he agreeth not with the K. as before hath byn and after shal be shewed he runneth to the same common place before mentyoned of flatterie vsed by courtiers and canonists to the Pope the force of which shifte and refuge how vayne it is yow haue heard before discussed Cap ● and it neadeth not to be repeated heere and the examples and instances which he bringeth are the same for the most part which S r. F. touched before and are before answered as that of Panormitan and other canonists affirming Panorm in c. licet de election idem esse Christi Papae Consistorium Christ and the Pope as his substitute to haue one and the selfe same Consistorie or Tribunal Ioan. in c. Quanto de translat Epis. whereof we haue treated in the former Chapter There is that other also how the Pope is or may be called God in the sense before mētyoned this man alleadgeth it thus Augustin Steu●hus doth honour him as a God Audis sayth he Pontificem Deum appellatum habitum pro Deo Doest thow heare the Pope called God and held for God and then noteth in the margent contra donationem Constantini Steuchus saith it in his booke against the Donation of Constantyne in which fewe wordes there are so many cousenages or rather knaueries vsed as no man would beleeue but in such a cogging M●nister as comming latelie from Irish warres hath not learned yet to haue any conscience or honestie For first of all that most learned man Augustinus Steuchus Eugubinus bishop of Kysam wrote no booke against the Donation of Constantyne as heere is imposed vpon him Diuers falshoodes of● the cōsciēceles minister but rather for it prouing the same most learnedlie out of all antiquitie against Laurentius Valla the grammarian that fondlie had impugned the same Secondlie the words heere alleadged out of Steuchus though they be in his booke yet are they alleadged by him not in his owne name but as comming from Constantyne the great by the testimony of Nicolaus primus Pope of Rome about 800. yeare agoe who cyteth out of the said Donation of Constantine Cap. 2. that amongst other honorable tytles he calleth him also God in that sense no doubt which before is shewed by scripture that both Moses and other holie men were called Gods and herevpon Bishop Steuchus addeth those wordes before mentyoned Aud●s summum Pontificem à Constantino Deum appellatum habitum pro Deo Aug Steuchus in Lauren Vall. de donat Constant fol. 230. hoc videlicet factum est cùm eum praeclaro illo Edicto decorauit ador●uit vti Deum vti Christi Petri successorem velut viuam Christi imaginem veneratus est Do yow heare how the Pope is heere called God by Constantine and held for God this was done when he did honour him so highlie with that excellent edict in his fauour adoring him as God and as the successor of Christ and Peter and reuerencing him as the liuelie image of Christ himselfe Heere now we see how Pope Siluester was honored by our famous Britane Emperour Constantine the great and yet no man would cry out then The great honor donne by Constant. the great to Pope Siluester
and discretion wil be of my opinion that whatsoeuer good effectes haue come to our common wealth by her Maiesties gouernment or rare partes of Princelie commendations A note to be diligently obserued and which truelie may be termed blessings might haue byn as great as all these or farre greater vnder Catholike religion and especiallie in her Maiestie if it had pleased almightie God to haue blessed her and the realme with the continuance therof and contrariwyse whatsoeuer cursings and calamities on the contrarie syde haue ensued or may ensue herafter by the change of religion these are proper effectes and necessary consequēts of the new ghospel and not of any defect in her Maiesties gouernment and this foundatiō being presupposed in all that I shal say let vs passe on to examine in a word or two the most ridiculous vanitie of these fiue blessings folowing which he calleth corporal accompting his former spiritual For the first of them which is deliuerāce from intolerable exactions ● Blessing deliuerance from exactions if he meane it of the realme in general as his marginal note may seeme to importe which often yet disagreeth in sense from his text let the Escheker books be compared of the tributes payments contributions and exactions that were vsed in Englād in former dayes before this new ghospel came in and since I meane of the summes that were payd in old tymes when Catholike religion bare rule and protestants were not knowne those that later Princes by reason of troubles warres suspicions and other like occasions rysing especially by difference in religion haue byn forced to take of their subiects since the yeare of Christ 1530. or there about at what tyme K. Henrie began vpon the aduise incitation of Cranmer Cromwel and other Protestants to breake with the Pope and churche of Rome let these summes I say be cōferred and then our knight if he be a good Auditor or Eschequer man wil for very shame stryke out this blessing and mentyon it no more But yf he meane this blessing especiallie or principallie of our Clergie men this day in England for that they pay nothing now to the Pope as in the texte and prosecution of this blessing is set downe then let the wealth and ease of the old and new Clergie be compared togither or rather the pouertie and beggerie of the one with the honor and splendor of the other and so this controuersie wil quicklie be decyded and S.F. beaten from this first corporal blessing of his new Cleargie to a Spiritual which is Matth. ● Beati pauperes spiritu blessed are the poore in spirit for in body and purse they are already miserable as them-selues euery where complayne The pouertie and myserie of the protestāt cleargie none more grieuously or more spitefullie in secret as before hath byn touched then his champion O.E. alleaging these reasons that the most of them hauing much to pay both to Prince Patron in steed of the Pope and litle to receyue the gleebe lands of their benefices being commonlie swept to their hands and their charge of women and children so great as the parishes do commonlie feele when they dy their beggerie must needs be intollerable wheras on the other syde in Catholyke Countryes yf they contribute any thing to the Pope as to their head for better maintenance of his state and gouerment of the whole Churche it is neyther so great a matter and commonlie ●●t out of the greater benefices that cā better beare it and in recompence of that agayne he defendeth them against the intrusion or vsurpation of seculer men vpō their liuings which importeth them much more as by experience of Catholyke Countryes and Kyngdomes is seene then is the contribution they make to Rome though it were so great and greuous as our K. maketh it in K. Henrie the 3. his ●yme alleaging a certayne complaynt of our English Churche to Pope Innocentius 4. in a general Councel at Lions an 1245. against his collectors officers in England which being taken out of Iohn Fox whom this man yet wil not name maketh no more against the Popes Authoritie A calumniation of Ihon Fox act ●on Pag. 241.242 c. nor yet conuinceth him of abuse that way then yf at this day the same complaynt should be made by the Churche of Spayne as diuers tymes it is against the lyke collectors or officers there or when any complaint is made in England of any of her Ma ties officers that abuse themselues in their collections for couetousnes vpon the Clergie at this day wherof I presuppose there would not want complaints if all Ministers should be willed to vtter their greifes therin And what then doth Syr F. and Fox vrge so much against the Pope the complaynt of some in England against his officers at that tyme VVhy Pope Innocentius required a collection of mony for recouering the holy land when the publike necessitie of christendome oppressed by Turkes and Saracens inforced Pope Innocentius as general Father of all to lay some contribution vpon the cleargie of England and other countryes for defence therof to which effect also in the very same councel of Lions he had appoynted and declared king Lewes of France for Supreme general and yet was not the summe exacted such nor so great but that more money in these our dayes hath byn sent out of the realme in one yeare by these mēnes liking and good approbation for defence of heresie and rebellion in France Flanders Scotland and other countryes thē was in this many other tymes in those dayes for maintenance of the whole Churche and Christianitie and yet cōplayneth not our knight of this which subiects now feele for that it is present but of the other past and gone which they feele not wherby is seene his indifferencie that they seek nothing but matter of complay●● and cauilling against the Pope and h●● doings As for long peace which is an other blessing of his both sweet profitable as he termeth it ● blessing long peace I know not what or why I should answere seing Aristotle teacheth that to go about to proue or improue by reason● that which is open and manifest to our senses is to wearie reason and offer iniurie to sense who seeth not therfore what hath passed in England since protestant religion first entred in K. Henryes dayes for if we talke o● domestical styrres and tumultes among our people we haue had more within these 70. yeares to wit from the one or two and twentith of K. Henryes raigne downwards vnder him and his three children respecting religiō only then in a thousand before his dayes and more then in many ages for any cause whatsoeuer setting a syde the contention for the crowne betweene the two houses o● Yorke and Lancaster which cannot go by reason in this accompt for that it was a particular quarrel of certayne Princes of the bloud royal not rysing of
affayres before handled but now we shal vncoople him and yow shal heare how he wil behaue himself I am constrayned to hold him back and to let him come in but heere and there for the causes before mentioned to wit that hauing ended my reply to S. F. a good while before I receaued this parteners book I could not wel giue him accesse at euery Q n. where the matter required without disordering my whole former answere and consequentlie I resolued to bestow a chapter on him here and there alone wherin he might be heard and all that he bringeth discussed which is commonly worse and in worse order and methode and with lesse shew of truth or probabilitie then thar which the K t. his ministers doe alleage But as for scurrilitie of speech insolencie of brags malepartnes in scolding The exorbitant manner● of vvriting of the minister O. E. and impudency of lying he is farre more exorbitant not only then any K t. or knowne honest mā hitherto heard of but euen then any other K● whatsoeuer hath to this day I suppose vttered or put in paper which in parte yow shal perceyue by this my answere albeit many things belonging to this poynt I shal be forced for very shamefastnes both here and otherwhere to passe ouer with silence But now to the matter in hand Wheras before in the second Chapter of this our answere is handled the controuersie Cap. 2. nu ●5 deinceps whether the state of matters in Religion during the tyme of Q. Maries raigne and of other former English Catholyke Princes was altogether in darknes clouds shadowes mists ignorance and the lyke as the watchman had affirmed The warder by many cleare reasons and demonstrations sheweth the contrarie that among other poyntes there was not a more learned Cleargie for many ages in England then vnder Q. Maries gouernment Whervnto what the K t. hath replyed agayne in this his answere yow haue heard before now shal yow heare how this his prating procter O. E. doth iump in with him aduertising yow by the way yf yow haue not obserued yt before of one notorious cogging tricke which this gamester hath aboue all the rest that euer I knew of his occupatiō though I haue knowne fewe good and many ba● ynough in this point which is to interlace euery where almost his aduersaries words in a different letter A notorious cogging tricke but euer commonly with some corruption eyther in the sense phrase or words themselues puting downe somwhat of his owne oftentymes for his aduersaries so of this we shal note yow examples now and then as we shal be forced and the matter vrge vs thervnto though many tymes we shal let it passe not to spend tyme in brabling at euery meeting Now then to the foresaid enumerations of good and learned Bishops and other cleargie men in Q. Maries dayes he answereth thus First admit these men whom he nameth were great Doctors Pag 42. yet it followeth not therof but that the people liued in great error and blindnes Sup. cap. 4. Yea S. wil yow say so and what I pray yow doth make the people intelligent and skilful in that which they ought to beleeue do but the learning and skil of their Doctors teachers Ibid. But sayth he ●ewe of the people could say their Pater noster and beliefe and of those that could by harte say them not one among twentie vnderstood them And how can O. E. proue this in particular If he were in forrayne Cath. countryes at this day and did heare the common people yea children and babes to answere in these and lyke poyntes of Christian doctrine set foorth by the Churche and exercised in a●● places not only particular Churches houses colleges and communities but euen in market places also vpon all sondayes holy and festiual dayes and other dedicated to this exerc●se If our peart minister I say did see this and how farre this diligēce piety and charity of our Catholyke Cleargie exceedeth his for instructing youth cōmon people in the necessary points of Christian institution he would eyther be ashamed of his ●ayne bragge and false exprobation or with a brasen face deny that which his owne eyes ●ares should be witnes of against him But now eyther not knowing this or not thinking it conuenient for his honor to confesse somuch he goeth forward in this his folly Ibid. Like parrats saith he they said Credo in Deum but vnderstood not what they said A lack poor men and was there no creed in English for them that vnderstood not latyn and was ●here no mā to teach them what Credo in Deum meant before Martyn Luther came who ●aught vs among other points Vid Enc. ●● cap. 5. that Zwingliās and Caluenists Maisters of O. E. are wholie possessed and guided by the deuil as largely we haue shewed before But let vs heare him further Ridiculous reasoning of ●he minister They prayed likewise saith he but vnderstood not what they prayed But I would aske him whether God vnderstood them or noe to whom they prayed or whether themselues vnderstood their owne meaning intention and what they needed or desired most to obtayne at Gods hands And if neyther of these points can be doubted of then is it foolish which followeth immediatly in the minister Now what auayleth it to pray with the lippes if the hart vnderstand nothing This I say is a foolish inferēce for that the heart of h●m that prayeth vnderstandeth his owne affection and God that knoweth all languages vnderstandeth in like manner the sound of his lippes in what tongue soeuer He goeth forward Li●ewise they came to Churche and heard Mattins Pag. 42. euensong and masse in latyn but what were English peopl● that vnders●ood no latyn the better They were the better S ● for that they were pertakers of the publike prayer of the Churche made for all by those that vnderstood latyn The fruite of deuotion by bring at publique Catholike seruice though i● be in Latyn and besydes this publike merit of the whole Churche which in such deuou● meetings is the greatest they enioyed the fruit also of their owne priuate deuotions petitions prayers and holy desyres which in tyme of the publike euery mā exercised which is an other manner of fruit worketh farre different effects of pietie and good lyfe then doth the presence of the protestant common people sitting downe looking about or talking bargayning one with an other neuer kneling praying or attending lightly what is said or song by the Minister but so much as may concerne their temporal affayres vnderstanding commonly as litle of the sense of that which is song or said though they vnderstād the English words as when it was in latyn this is seene by the bad fruits therof which both England and other nations doe dayly feele And as for the publike seruice Christian sacrifice it self