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A shorte treatise of politike pouuer and of the true obedience which subiectes owe to kynges and other ciuile gouernours, with an exhortacion to all true naturall Englishe men, compyled by. D. I.P. B. R. VV.
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Ponet, John, 1516?-1556.
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punished as a traitour for that by necessitie and extremitie of force he reÌdred vp Boloigne to king HeÌry theight and did not die in the defense of it But thou wilt saie he did it without commaundement of his mââ¦ister and these shall doo it by coÌmaundement of their maistres But what if the commaundement be not laufull doest thou not saie thy self it is not to be obeied Thou saiest to others that non maie do that is not laufull for any commaundement But thou wilt saie it is the Quenes owne and she maye laufully doo with her owne what she lusteth What if it be denyed to be her owne But thou wilt saie she hathe the crowne by enheritaunce and maie dispose of the realme and euery parte of the Realme as pleaseth her But I answer that albeit she haue it bi enheritaunce yet she hathe it with an othe lawe and condicion to kepe and mayn tene it not to departe with it or diminishe it If she ha ue no more right to the Realme than her father hade and her father as muche as euer ani king of Englande what neded he to require the consent of the Nobilitie and commons by parliament to geue the Crowne to his daughter or any other But thou will saie it was more than neded for without consent of the parliameÌt he might doo with the Realme aÌd eueripte therof what it pleased him Take hede what thou sayest If that be true that king Henry might do with it without coÌsent of the parliament how is the Ladi mari Quene Why might not King Edwarde his some a prince borne in laufull matrimonie and right heire to the Crowne bequeathe the Crowne wher he wolde and as he did Take hede what thou doest If the king and Quene geue thee a thousauÌt perdones yet shalt thou be foun de a ranke Traitour to the Realme of Englande For albeit the king or Quene of a reaââ¦me haue the Crowne neuer ãâã iustly yet maye they not dispose of the Crowne or realme as it pleaseth them They haue the Crowne to minister iustice but the Realme being a bodi of free men and not of bondemen he nor she can not geue or sell them as slaues and bondemen No they can not geue or sell awaye the holdes and fortes as Calese and Barwike or suche like without the consent of the Commones for it was purchaced with their blood aÌd moneie Yea aÌd thine owne popes lawes wherby thou measurest all thiÌges to be laufull or not laufull saie that if a kiÌg or gouernour of any realme goo about to diminishe the regalities aÌd rightes of his crowne he ought to be deposed Thus did Pope Honorius the thrid coÌmaunde tharchebishop of Collossa aÌd his suffraganes to depriue a kiÌg of Vngarie which weÌt about to waste sell aÌd geue awaye the Regalities aÌd rightes of his crowne oââ¦les in tyme he ceassed aÌd called backe that he hade done It is so plaine thou canst not denie it But I see Boner I haue chafed thee to muche thi chekes blushe aÌd swell for very aÌgre M. D. Cheadsei M. D. PeÌdletoÌ M. Cosins or soÌ of you Chaplaines get my lorde a cup of secke to coÌ fort his spirites My lorde aÌd I agree almost like belles we iarre soÌwhat but not muche his lordship meaneth that meÌ ought to be alwaies but not at all tymes honest But I saie thei must be honest alwaies aÌd at al tymes His lordeship wolde fayne haue a placarde or prouiso for hiÌ aÌd his that they might soÌtimes that is froÌ the begiÌniÌg to theÌde of the weke plaie their partes But Isaie albeit his lordship haue suche a priuilege yet maie no honest maÌ at any tyme doo that is not honest iuste aÌd laufull bi kaisers kiÌges Quenes no neither his coÌmaundement For if those thinges which only in mennes opiniones seme to be vnlaufull maye by no autoritie be done and those that doo theÌ be no lesse to be punisshed than if they had done them without autoritie how muche lesse maye suche thinges by any commaundement be committed that are in dede vnlaufull but shalbe punished according to the desertes by what so euer power or autoritie they be executed Men therfore ought to take hede that by going about to come out of the smoke they fall not in to the fire and by pleasing of men they runne not in to the displeasure of God If mennes ordinaunces and lawes or the gouernours autoritie and commaundement were a sufficient discharge for men to doo what so euer were prescribed or coÌmaunded vnto theÌ tell me I beseche thee why did Esaias the Prop het suffre rather to be sawed in pieces than to folowe the procedinges of Manasses why did Daniel not folowe king Darius and his counsailles commaundement forbearing to worship the true God but was content to be cast to the lyones why did not the three children Sadrach Mesach and Abednego obeye Nabuchadnesar in worshipping the golden idole aÌd so auoide the hotte burniÌg fornace why did Eleazarus submitte him self to deathe and not dissemble why did he not eate his owne meat aÌd absteyne froÌ porke fleshe that the king coÌmaunded the Iewes to eat coÌtrary to the lawes aÌd saye that he hade eateÌ it as his olde trustye freÌdes of the court couÌsailed hiÌ whi did he not sue for a bul or perdoÌ of Antiochus that he might vse his owne religioÌ as our En glishe haltiÌg gospellers doo of the pope coÌfessing his autoriti which is the thiÌg that he oÌly passeth vpoÌ aÌd ââ¦areth not how many soules be ledde to the deuil why did not the seuen brethreÌ and their mother obeie the kinges commaundement and saue their lyues and goodes as thauncient Catharistes and newe puri stes doo saieng all thinges be pure to the pure and no Idolatrie nor filthynesse can infecte him that is pure and cleane Or why did they not saie as the Priscianistes and Papistes did in tyme past and as the marchauntes Hill and Petresonne with their double tongued traine aÌd dissembling secte at this present saie that it is laufull and no sinne to saye one thing and meane another to lye with the lyppes so they haue the truthe in the heart to denye God in wordes and workes so they ceÌfesse him in thought aÌd mynde to daunce with the deuil all daye and lodge with Christ at night why did Paule suffre so many imprisonmeÌtes so muche beating scourgeing and tormenting And why at leinght did he not saue his life and folowe Kaiser Neroes commaundement why did not the Prophetes thapostles and so many thousauntes of martirs folowe the wicked tirannes commaundemeÌtes and procedinges but resisted them and with their blood testiââ¦ied that they allowed theÌ not But all these holy meÌnes doiÌges in confessiÌg aÌd obeieÌg the highest power God aÌd not thinferiour powers in wicked aÌd euil thiÌges are coÌmeÌded aÌd lefte bi the holy gooste to vs in holischrift to folowe aÌd doo the like If meÌnes lawes aÌd coÌmaundementes were a sufficient warauÌt to meÌ
gouernour and kill a tyranne AS ther is no better nor happier coÌmon wealthe nor no greater blessing of God thaÌ wher one ru leth if he be a good iuste and godly maÌ so is ther noÌ worse nor non more miserable nor greater plague of God thaÌ wher one ruleth that is euil vniuste and vngodly ⪠A good man knowing that he or those by whoÌ he claymeth was to suche office called for his vertue to see the hole state well gouerned and the people defended froÌ iniuries neclecteth vtterly his owne pleasure and profit and bestoweth all his studie and labour to see his office well discharged And as a good phisician earnestly seketh the healthe of his pacient and a Shipmaister the wealthe and sauegarde of those he hathe in his ship so dothe a good gouernour seke the wealthe of those he ruleth And therfore the people feling the benefit comyng by good gouernours vsed in tyme past to call such good gouernours fathers aÌd gaue theÌ no lesse honour thaÌ childreÌ owe to their parentes An euil persone comyng to the gouernemeÌt of any state either by vsurpacioÌ or by electioÌ or by successioÌ vtterly neglectig the cause why kinges princes aÌd other gouernours in coÌmoÌ wealthes be made that is the wealthe of the people seketh onli or chiefly his owne profit aÌd pleasure And as a sowe comyng in to a faire gardin roteth vp all the faire and swet flowres and holsome simples leauing nothing behinde but her owne filthye dirte so dothe an euil gouernour subuerte the lawes and ordres or maketh them to be wrenched or racked to serue his affectiones that they can no longer doo their office He spoyleth the people of their goodes either by open violence making his ministers to take it from them without payment therfore or promising and neuer payeng or craftily vnder the name of loanes beneuolences contribuciones and suche like gaye paynted wordes or for feare he geteth out of their possession that they haue and neuer restoreth it And whan he hathe it consumeth it not to the benefite and profit of the common wealthe but on hoores hooremongers dyceing carding banketting vniust warres and such like euilles and mischieues wherin he dely teth He spoileth and taketh awaye from them their armour and harnesse that they shall not be hable to vse any force to defende their right And not contented to haue brought theÌ in to such miserie to be sure of his sta te seketh and taketh all occasiones to despeche them of their lyues If a man kepe his house and meddle in nothing than shall it be sayed that he fretteth at the state If he come abrode and speake to any other further with it is taken for a iuste conspicacie If he saye nothing and shewe a mery countenaunce it iâ⦠a token that he despiceth the gouernement If he loke sorowfully than he lamenteth the state of his countreye how many so euer be for any cause committed to prison are not only asked but be racked also to shewe whether he be pryuie of their doinges If he de parte bicause he wold lyue quietly than is he proclaimed on open enemye To be shorte ther is no doing no gesture no behaueour no place can preserue or defende innocency against suche a gouernours crueltie but as an huntour maketh wilde beastes his praie and vseth toiles nettes snares trappes dogges firret tes mynyng and digging the grounde goÌnes bowes speares and all other instrumentes engynes deuises subtilties aÌd meanes Wherby he maie come by his praye so dothe a wicked gouernour make the people his game and praye and vseth all kindes of subtilties deceates craftes policies force violence crueltie and suche like deuillishe wayes to spoyle and destroye the people that be coÌmitted to his charge And whan he is not hable without most manifest crueltie to doo by him self that he desireth than fayneth he vniust causes to cast them in to prison wher like as the bearewardes mosell the beares and tye them to the stakes whyles they be baited and killed of mastyues and curres so he kepeth them in chaines whilest the bishoppes and other his tormentours and heretical inquisitours doo teare and deuoure them Fynally he saieth and denyeth he promiseth and breaketh promyse he sweareth and ââ¦orsweareth and nother passeth on God nor the deuil as the commyng sayeng is so he maye bring to passe that be desireth Suche an euil gouernour proprely men call a Tiranne Now forasmuche as ther is no expresse positiue lawe for punishement of a Tyranne among christen men the question is whether it be laufull to kill suche a monstre and cruell beast couered with the shape of a man And first for the better and more playne profe of this mater the manifolde and continuall examples that haue ben from tyme to tyme of the deposing of kinges and killing of tyraÌnes doo most certainly con firme it to be most true iust and coÌsonaunt to Goddes iudgement The historie of kinges in the olde testament is full of it And as Carnal Phoole truly citeth England lacketh not the practice and experience of the same For they depriued king Edwarde the seconde bicause without lawe he killed his subiectes spoiled them of their goodes and wasted the treasure of the Realme And upon what iust causes Richard the the secoÌde was thrust out and HeÌry the fourth put in his place I referre it to their owne iudgement Denmarke also now in our dayes did nobly the like actâ⦠whan they depriued Christierne the tiranne and committed him to perpetual prison Zacharias the pope that inuented first the lampes in the churche deposed Chilperichus king of Fraunce bicause he was sayed to be a lecherous persone and an unprofitable gouernour of the realme and forced him to be a monke and made Pipine father of Charles king of Fraunce Pope Honorious as ye hearde before commaunded that the king of Vngarie should be depriued bicause he diminished the rightes of the Crowne onles he repented and vndid all that he had done A certayn king of Portugale was very negligeÌt in his office he coÌsumed aÌd wasted awaye the trea sure of his Realme he oppressed his subiectes aÌd misu sed theÌ Wherfore Pope inoceÌt the fourth made the kiÌ ges brother therle of Bolone coadiutour to the king aÌd gaue hiÌ the hole charge of the Realme discharged the people of their othe to the king and commauÌded them to be obedient to the kinges brother in all thinges as king But the Popes learned counsail saied that he ought to haue beÌ vtterly deposed of the Crow ne These doinges of Popes I rehearse not as though their usurped autoritie were to be allowed but for that ye maye see that it is no newe thing to depose euil kinges aÌd gouernours aÌd that those that haue the iust autoritie maie and ought for the like causes doo as they did For albeit thautoritie of the pope be not laufull yet is the reason that moued them so to doo honest and iust and mete to be