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A09913 An apologie fully aunsvveringe by Scriptures and aunceant doctors, a blasphemose book gatherid by D. Steph. Gardiner, of late Lord Chauncelar, D. Smyth of Oxford, Pighius, and other papists, as by ther books appeareth and of late set furth vnder the name of Thomas Martin Doctor of the Ciuile lawes (as of himself he saieth) against the godly mariadge of priests Wherin dyuers other matters which the papists defend be so confutid, that in Martyns ouerthrow they may see there own impudency and confusion. By Iohn Ponet Doctor of diuinitie and Busshhop of Winchester. Ponet, John, 1516?-1556. 1556 (1556) STC 20175A; ESTC S115006 87,761 184

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maritos earum adulteros ueros cum suis uxoribus uiuis ali as duxerint c. The English of all this together is this Saint Austen saith that the Papists know not what thei say wherfore they that say the mariadge of suche meāing of them that marry after they haue vowed is no mariadge but rather adultery me semeth they do not advisedly and diligently enough cōsider what they say for they be deceaued by an apparance of trueth for by the means of that folishe opiniō wherby they thinke the mariadge of suche professed women as haue forsakē there vow is no mariadge if they mary Here be Martins very words confuted by Saint Austen there commeth no small inconuenience which inconuenience is this wyues be separate frō their husbands as thoughe they were whores ād not wyues And when they will restore the divorsed to sole life there husbāds are cōpelled to be veri adulterers whē th●re owne wyues beinge alyue they marr● other husbāds Here thow seest Marti● cōfutid by S. Austens own words Wh●●che do not only make a plaine confutati●on prouinge first that priests mariadge be mariadges but agreinge fully wi●● Epiphanius and the rest by me before al●ledged they also declare Saint Austen mynde that such mariadges as be mad● after priesthode be good and lawfu● mariadges And that there wyues in s●●che case be there lawfull wyues be ther● own wyues and that there wyues be n● whores And that it is not lawfull so t● diuorse the parties that either of the● may marry other parsons Yea and i● the same place Saint Austen answeret● there fond obiection which say that vota●●ies be maried to Christe ād therfore they can not marry againe whiche in this pla●ce I will leaue owt least I shuld be tedi●●se mynding hereafter to alledge this pla●ce more largelie Saint Austen saieth they be deceaued which hold opinion that priests or vo●a●ies may n●t many for satisfinge of such as think we haue nothinge in the old Doctors that maketh for our purpose But one thinge I pray the gentle reader before thow forsake this peece off Saint Austen Consider how earnestly in this my allegacion Saint Austen chargeth our aduersaries with dulnes and ignoraunce Consider how he tanteth them as talkers they wot not what Consider how in plain words he sayth they be deceauid And when thow shalt reade or heare them bringe in Saint Austē against vs set the reason of Saint Austen to make them answer and if they will not with this reason be satisfied Then let them harken to Saint Austen where he saieth they be vnlerned and without aduisemēt and that they say they wot not what Now leauinge the confutacion of Martin any further in this point by aunceāt counsels and Doctours I haue thought good to confute him also by the sacred scriptures of God Out of whiche one or two reasons shall suffice for this present because habundance off matter otherwise hath made me tary so long about so litle 11.1 Tim. 4. Saint Paule 1. Timoth. 4. speaking of mariadge and meats sayth thus Martin confuted by the scrip●ture Euery creature of God is good to the faithfull ād none is to be refused being taken with thanks geuinge for it is sanctified by the word off God and praier This maior or ground we haue haue of Saint Paule whereunto I add this minor or meane proposition But mariadge is a creature of god that I am suer yow can not denye onles you will say mariadge is a creature of the deuell as the old heretiques Saturninus Basilides and there folowers did The heretiques Saturninus and Basilides wer enemies of mariadge read Theod. lib 1. de Haereticis fab ▪ Wherupon must folow this conclusion Ergo mariadge is good and not to be refused being takē with thanks geuinge for it is sanctified by the word of God and praier This sound Sylogismus proueth plainly that the mariadge of a prest is not only a mariadge but also a good mariadge and a good thinge for it is sanctified by the word of God and praier Wherby Martins assertion that it is no mariadge is fully ouerthrowen 2. Tim. 3. Tit. 1. Yea and Saint Paule calleth the bushop priest and deacon by the name of huszband and there iokefellowes by the name of wyues and saith the bushop must be the huszband of one wife and like wise the deacon 1. Corinh 7. And further he saieth for the avoydinge of fornieacion let euery man haue his wife etc. In which generall sentence priests must be comprehendid if they be men Yea and there mariadge not only a mariadge but also an honorable mariadge or els cā not mariadge be honorable in all estates as Saint Paule wryteth to the hebrues the 13. Chap. Heb. 13 ▪ And I pray you what neded you to make more adoe if priests mariadge were no mariadge what neded an act of Parliament in the first yere of the Queēs reigne to repeale the statute made for priests mariadges And why doth that act name it the mariadge of priests ād not a pretēsed mariadge as yow doereuokynge the mariadges by the name of mariadges and not of pretensed mariadges And last of all yf prests mariadge be no mariadge as you say what cause I pray you had the Queen and the bushopes to depriue the maried bushopes and priests of England from there benefices They were not depriued for ignoraunce in Gods worde neyther for not doing there dewtie nor for glut●ony nor swearinge nor diszing nor huntinge nor buggery nor whoredome for these be cōmon faultes amōgst all your priests now a daies And a benefice and any of them or all of thē be so compatible and may so well be enioyed together that any popish priest may quietly haue those faults an● there benefice together wthout depriuation Other fault there is none knowen but only that they were maried The maried priests of England were depriued without a cause thoughe for the lawfulnes of there mariadge besyds Gods plaine word and godly Cannons and Doctours etc. They had the consent of the kinge the supreame head vnder Christ of the churche and of the parlament and realme an d that oyned with the consent of the congregacions assembled where they were maried and for the testimony of the kings consent and others both of the nobles and commons The maried priests had the consent of the Kinge the Parliament and the Realme for lawfulnes therof many of them receauid benefices after they were maried at the kings and other nobles hands All this lawfulnes notwithstandinge I say other cause haue ye none wherfore ye depryued the priests of England from there benefices but only that they were maried Now cum you forth and say that the pretentid mariadge of priests is no mariadge wherfore it must folow that the pretendid cause in England of priests diuorsement is no cause ād that the priests be put from there liuings without a cause euen by your
Saint Hierom saith not so yes forsoth enoghe ●o proue the other saying a lye Note that Martin turneth the word Sacerdos by the englishe word spirituall But to ●rocede if S. Hierom say not so I pray ●ou what saith he marry saith Martin He saieth not that he was the first mari●d priest in Italy But the first priest that ●ecame both spirituall and temporall in 〈◊〉 the whole world Martin defendeth one lye with another Now belike Martin ●ath lokid so narrowly to his matters ●hat he will not be taken with his accu●●omed fashion of lyenge But what will 〈◊〉 say if this also be a lie think yow not 〈◊〉 thē he were a meet man to lye for the ●hetstone Verely god read this is no les 〈◊〉 lye thē the other for this saying is not 〈◊〉 all Saint Hierom neither wherby 〈◊〉 may se his Tonge so accustomed to 〈◊〉 that he can not when he Wold say trueth But I pray yow what saith S. Hierō of Heluidius forsoth that which foloweth in Latin in Martīs own boke these be his words Solus in uniuerso mundo laicus simul sacerdos The English wherof is this he ōly in the whole world was both at once a priest and a lay man In the whiche words thow maiest see good reader that there is no mēcion neither that he was the first maried prist in Italy neither that he was the first maried priest in all the whole world neither that he was maried onles ye wil say that all lay men be maried yea if it were trew that all lay men were maried men yet is there neuer a word in Saint Hierom neither of Italy Martins manifest vntreuth in alledginge olde authors nor of first nor of last nor of mariadge Now may you see what credit is to be geuē to Martin wh●̄ he alledgeth old authors But it may be peraduenture he will say the printer deceaued him and put it in of his own head I think there be now plentie of such pri●●ters in England that prynt they care no● what so they may gaine neuer so litle though it be horrible blasphemy agains● God his Aūgels as in the books tha● com forth dayly pryntid by Cawawoo● and such lyke appeareth But Marti● can not escape so for in 118 leaf 1. G. pa. 2. he maketh the selfsame lye agayn and saith also there that the heretique Heluidius was the first maried priest that we read of in all Christēdom Martin confirmeth this lie with repeating the same in the 118. leaf 1. g. 2. pag. 2. Yt is the propertie of some lyers when they haue told a lye ones or twyse or oftner that by often telling of there lyes to other at last they think them true themselues ād so it may be that Martin by often telling this vaine fable doth now think it is a most true story But seing it is plainly shewed that Martyn fayleth in the profe of his grounds where he intendid to proue by induction the first maried priest in Italy ād in France so forth were heretiques thoughe he were able to make some profe of other maried priests in other cuntryes A plain declaration that Martins reasons proue not yet can not his reason hold as I haue at large before declarid because some partes of the Induction being improuid the reason rūneth but from an indefinite to an vniuersall which kynd of reasoning yong Sophisters in Cambridge be shent when they vse But Martin fearing lest all his brabling will not serue his turn hath pyked out a pece of Saint Hierom where he semeth to note certain properties and qualities which he sayth be commonly in heretiques and stryueth to aply the same to such as had professed Christs gospell in England The words be these as he doth alledge them Notes pikid out of S. Hierom by Martin wher by to know an heretique Raro haere●ici diligunt castitalem quicunque amare pudicitiam se simulant ut Manichaeus Martion Arrius Tatianus instauratores ueteris haereseos Venenato ore mella promittunt caeterum iuxta Apostolum quae secretè agunt turpe est di●ere The English wherof as you Martin haue handelid it doth euidently proue that yow vnderstode not the latin for this place doth so playnly set furth the properties of the popish virgin priests and of the other Papists that in all Saint Hierom there can not lightly be found a better wherfore that the reader may vnderstand the true sence of it I will translate it truly that your falshod in translation may apperare when my translation and yours shal be laid together Hierom. li. ij in Osce ix Heretiques saith S. Hierom ād all suche as pretēd that they loue Chastitie do very seldom l●●ue it in deed As Manichaeus Martion Arrius ▪ Tatianus and the renewers of the old heresie They promise hon● with a poysoned mouth but accor●ding to the saying of the Apostle it i● a filthie thing to vtter what they doe in secret Now mark good reader Saint Hierom in this place inueieth sharply against the old Heretiques which wold not marry themselues The places of S. Hierom brought in by Martin be dyrectly against himself nor alow mariadge in other but pretendid such a holynes with a shew of virginitie and hatered of mariadge that with there holy looks sweet words they deceauid the peple Wherby thow maist well perceaue that this place of Saint Hierō maketh fully against such priests as say they haue the gyft of Chastitie and haue it not that lyue in whoredom and marry not that pretend holynes in the sight of the peple but lead a filthy lyfe in corners ād in secret And for example he nameth a nomber of heretiks that were vnmaried priests as the popish preests be and thought mariadge to be to vnclean a thing to be in a minister as all the Papists doe let Martin himself denye yf he can that these were vnmaried so that ther is nothinge here that agreeth not fully with the Papists Lo how ignorance blindeth Martins eyes Ye may see how he ●s felled with his own weapon All the ●it he had culd not or els of frowardnes ●e wold not make a sence of this place But note his impudency In his translation out of the latin into the English Words addid by Martin in Englishing the latin wich be not in the latin of S. Hierom. he putteth in these words against the Sacrament of matrimony which be not in the latin mynding as it semeth by a sleight for want of other profe to perswade the vnlerned reader by this peece of S. Hierom̄ that mariadge is a Sacramēt Which if it so did yet were it no more for his purpose in this place then any vayne talk of the moone or other by matter So in this place we haue also an other testimony of Martīs falshod see plainly that the notes Martins own markes declare hym an heretik wherby he myndid to