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A48363 An ansvver to Sir Thomas Manwaring's book, intituled, - An admonition to the reader of Sir Peter Leicester's books. Written by the same Sir Peter Leicester Leycester, Peter, Sir, 1614-1678. 1677 (1677) Wing L1941A; ESTC R217658 12,105 49

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AN ANSWER TO Sir Thomas Manwaring's BOOK Intituled An Admonition to the READER of Sir Peter Leicester's Books WRITTEN By the same Sir Peter Leicester Printed in the Year 1677. An Answer to Sir Thomas Manwarings Books c. IN the first place I desire the learned and ingenious Reader to take notice of the very first words of Sir Thomas Manwaring's Admonition That you may know Hercul●s by his Foot whereby he would insinuate the blasting of my Credit and Reputation even before he begins one word of his Book and it is all one as if he should have said in downright words take heed of believing any thing which Sir Peter writes For here I will shew you the Partiality Omissions Uncertainties and Mistakes of the said Sir Peter in those two Sheets of his Historical Antiquities in which he writes of the Township of Over-Peever which are so numerous that little credit is to be given to any thing he writes elsewhere for ex pede Hercules and it is no matter what he writes of the Bastardy of Amicia or any thing else See here the scope of his design Had he given me notice of my Mistakes in private it would have shewed more handsomly in him and more acceptable to me but he now publisheth to the World his own Malignancy which will be a greater dishonour to himself than these pitiful exceptions can be a disparagement to me for his Reputation is out of his reach Cum tamen non mordeat oblatrat But let us now take a view of these his pitiful exceptions which he would so unhandsomly charge upon me as Errours To the 1. Pag. 4. Here he saith that in Pag. 330 of my Book I call Ranulphus in Doomsday-Book the supposed Ancestor of the Manwarings But Pag. 208. I call Odard the undoubted Ancestor of the Duttons Now what reason I can have for that except my Partiality he cannot imagine My Answer Yes Reason enough for it though he cannot or will not imagine it For I have seen sundry Deeds of the first Age after the Norman-Conquest namely made in the time of King Henry the first wherein I find Hugh the Son of Odard so stiled and Hugh Son of Hugh Son of Odard See Pag. 264. of my Book and Pag. 117. sub Anno iii 9. and also Pag. 250. whereas I should be glad to see any one Deed of that Age mentioning or calling Richard Mesnilwarin Son of Ranulphus Again the ancient Roll of the Barons of Halton which I have seen and transcribed in one of my Manuscripts noted Lib. Cap. fol. 84 85. which Roll seemed to be written in a Character of 300 Years standing at the least saith thus Ab ipso Hudardo venerunt omnes Duttomenses See also Monasticon Anglicanum Vol. 2. pag. 187. and also pag. 249. of my Book but I never knew nor heard of any such ancient Roll or Record wherein it is said Ab ipso Ranulpho venerunt omnes Manwaringi Again I have seen the ancient Sword called at this day Hudards-Sword and is yet in the possession of the Heirs of Dutton of Dutton and for many Ages hath been passed as an Heir-Loom from Heir to Heir for many Generations and I have seen some Wills of the Duttons giving the same as an Heir-Loom to the Heir by that name of Hudards-Sword which by tradition received hath been constantly preserved by the Heirs of that Family with great veneration the like I believe cannot be shown by any Family of this County or scarcely in England See in my Book pag. 250. I say not this to extenuate any Family but to shew the Antiquity of this Family which hath been seated at Dutton even from the Conqueror's time to this present and continued in the name of the Duttons until in our days it devolved by a Daughter and Heir unto the Lord Gerard of Gerards-Bromley in Stafford-shire And therefore I might well call Odard the undoubted Ancestor of the Duttons and by much surer proof than I believe can be produced to prove the Manwarings to be descended from Ranulphus aforesaid Neither do I look upon the Lands coming to either of the Families to be ne're so sure a proof as what I have mentioned above for possibly Lands might descend by a Daughter and Heir or by Purchase and yet Richard Manwaring might not be Son of Ranulphus as is certainly recorded of the Duttons from Odard Howbeit I am so much satisfied with the Lands found in Possession of the Manwarings in the very next Ages after William the Conqueror that I suppose the same Ranulphus to be the Ancestor of the Manwarings but I cannot say it is so certain as the other What reason now hath Sir Thomas to charge me with Partiality in the Case To the 2. Pag. 6. Here he saith that in the same 330 Pag. I tell him of two Places or Hamlets in Over-Peever anciently called Cepmundewich the other Fodon whereas there were seven such places there which he reckoneth up Answer But Sir Thomas mistakes himself therein for neither Radbroke nor the other four there mentioned by him were called Hamlets as Cepmundewich and Fodon were See Pag. 331. of my Book for although there might be some parcels of Land in Over-Peever so called either Fields or Tenements yet were those parcels never called Hamlets in any Deed that I ever saw as yet Now Hamlets are as it were a Ville within a Ville and are places more conspicuous and usually containing a greater quantity of Land than a private Place Field or Tenement gaining certain names as those did and other Places also might do nor was it fit for me to take notice of all such inconspicuous places in my Book though I did take notice of the Hamlets for that were to make my work endless and to stuff it with trifles But I did take notice of Radbroke because it was a Freehold at this day and now not belonging to Manwaring which made me the rather to mention the same and though it be locus cognitus in Over-Peever at this day yet no Hamlet at all To the. 3. Pag. 7. Here he tell us that I have left out in the Pedegree of the Manwarings Pag. 331. Ranulphus mentioned in Doomsday-Book Richard Mesnilwarin Roger de Mesnilgarin or Mainwaring and William and Randle his Sons Roger de Menilgarin or Mainwaring Sir Ralph Manwaring Sir Roger Manwaring his Son Answer But if he had viewed well Pag. 330. of my Book he might have found the last Roger Manwaring and Ralph Manwaring his Father sometime Judg of Chester to have been there but that either of them were Knights it doth not certainly appear to me as in my lesser Book I have formerly given my reasons and for the descents here mentioned before Ralph Manwaring I think he himself will have much ado to put them into right order as they ought to be I am sure I cannot and though they were Lords of Over-Peever or the greatest part thereof yet certainly none of them lived