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A19224 Discoverye of a counterfecte conference helde at a counterfecte place, by counterfecte travellers, for thadvancement of a counteerfecte tytle, and invented, printed, and published by one (person) that dare not avovve his name Constable, Henry, 1562-1613. 1600 (1600) STC 5638.5; ESTC S111899 27,719 97

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honor to the vttermost of th aire povver mary in ordine adDeum vsque ad aras so farre fouth as they may in adue order tovvards God and vvith saftie of a rectified conscience More thē this I am sure so good a kinge vvill not requyer Therfore vvhat so euer the sayde practizers for theire pleasures profits doe pretend blovv a broode by vvordes clamours against others for the Catholique kinges priuat or publique designes or for the common cause true it is that suche as findinge thē seliues thus affected to Gods honor safetye of theire consciēces and there vpō vnvvillinge to incouraige the sayd practizers thair cōference are the bolder to speake against bothe as they haue greater reasons more effectuall motiues in vveight measure to dislike boath And that in respect as vvel of the matter as of the manner or forme and of circūstances touchinge theffect that may depend therof or concurre there vvithall accomptinge for matter the lothesome drifts and scoopes vvherunto the sayd conference doth tend for manner forme suche absurd vvayes and meanes as theis cāuassers haue deuised to abuse the vvorld therby to vvork ther feat And for circumstances of effects the feares perills mischiefes inconueniēces thretned not only to the englishe natiō but also to the vvhole Christiē vvorld and eyther necessarilye cōcurringe vvith those cāvasses or occasiōally folovvinge them yea vvayting and attendinge to offer theit seruices The principal scoape dryft first in mynd though last in operation in meane vvhyle dissembled besides the deposīge of the present possessor is to supplant dispossesse disherit the true heire lavvfull successor of the english Crovvn vvith all the ofsprīge to translate and alter the ancient lavves and customes of that Realme and cōsequently to trāsforme the gouernement of that Nation in to a Prouince or at the least to thrust in to the Royall throne against the right course of english lavves a forainer bred borne farr of vvhiche neyther in her ovvne personne nor any braunche of the roote from vvhence theis practizers pretend to deriue hir title vvas auer herde or tho ught of in the memorye of man nor before mentioned in any record of any age to suche effect or purpose as novv is deuised Nay if any such things haue bene spokē of theis smoothe conferers haue practized in time past to suppresseit to beare the garland an other vvay that not longe a goe as heare after shal be declared And for the vvayes meanes to dravv this on they are many but all rovvghe vneauen tedious indirect out of the highe vvaye that may be lead to any good end all things vvell vveighed yet agreable to suche an attempt as in like trouble some interprises it falleth out that odd shifts must be made for tooles to remoue blockes to skovver strets make vvays clearer for crafty surmises vvily insinuations to vvalke more smoothely currātly to the marKe Touchig the scope butte of the booke I vvill speake hearafter generally for the particular mischiefes therof euery true english mā dooth throvvghlye see at the first sight In the meane tyme let vs serche the vvayes to see vvhat monsters lye hydden therin And soe vve shall find theffects like to folovv the practizes of theis conferrers vvhat gloriouse pretense so euer they geue Thersore first to begine vvithall emonge diuers Crafty shifts vvhiche vve finde there is a deuice to make the mattet seeme good by all lavvs as vvell Civil Roman as municipial englishe touchinge Ciuil gouernement and direction of thenglishe nation for guidinge the course of that Crovvne Although the same deuice be opposit to that aunciēt ordonaunce vvhich for abolishinge the force of Cesars Civil lavves our of that Realme for establishinge a municipial lavv there vvas ordained by authoritye of that famous holy father Pope Eleutherius euen in the begininge vvhen Christian Religion vvas first vniuersally plāted in that Iland and vvith the full consent and vpon request as vvell of the Christien Kinge of great britaine Lucius as also of his nobilitye spiritual and temporal lords of that Realme This deuice beinge once set dovvne then tvvo lavvyers the one a gētilmā theother a speciall temporall lavver of englāde must be brought in to represent the persones of all other lavvyers of professions vvith the tongues ofbothe those lavves Thies tvvo vvhiche neuer before agreed in this affayre many other must be novv made fryends or els all vvere marred to conspire vvith certaine Idle troublesome trauailers against the municipial lavves yea cōtrarye to the purpose vvhy bothe those lavves vver made vvhiche is to make peace and against the profession of all good lavvyers vvhiche is to resolue doubts and quarels spetially vvhē dyets are appointed for consultation as the finall cause of this assemblye touchinge suche an affayre vvolde haue bene if it had bene called in gods name and collected of setled men not of vvan dringe trauailers vvell this nevv reconciliation of auncient aduersaries is novv thovght to be necessarye as in like practizes of innouation hathe been often vsed against truthe Iustice for novv by their agremēt vve must haue not only a trāsfiguration of the shape forme of that common vvealth but a transmutation also or translation at least of the verye matter vvher vpon the true common vvealthe of englande euerye particular mans state doth rest and that is the lavves lavvful customes of that Realme as a speciall meane to haile vs al to the forsay de scope And all this must be contriued through thattonement of this tvvo lavvyers by a more spedy intrusion of Cesars Ciuil Roman lavves thovvgh they are by authentique authoritye longe agoe abolished by continuall silence vvorne out of vse buried vvith a free consent of the vvhole nation in manye ages 1. And amonge manye conclusions agreed vpon betvvene these tvvo one must be that vvhat soeuer the Ciuilien sayeth our tēporall lavvyer must svvere subscribe to it be it true or false and he must up holde the Ciuiliā vvith yea or nay at all assayes that may serue to ouerthrovve the municipiall lavves of englande vvith out respect to the vveightye reasons sage considerations therof deriued from the lavves of God and nature as most agreable to the cōditiōs and qualityes of that natiō 2. An other conclusion is that theis tvvo lavvyers thus prepared for opinions affectiōs must set forvvard so as the Ciuiliā shall lead the vvaye the tēporal lavvyer must folovv the Ciuilian shall goe before not as the angel Raphael vvent before younge Tobye to chase a vvaye murderinge diuels but to call in mischieues vpō mischieues al maner of vvayes by contentiouse spirits not to demande due dets vpō lavv fall spetialties but to make vndue dets bank roupte by playne rauin robbery not to procurre a mariage by order of lavve
those that haue vvriten against popularity vvith infamie of absurd flatterye to blot the names estimations of those men vvhich haue vvritten in the defēce of the sacred state of a kinge against all popularitye It is not to be doubted that either his late Ma. vvisedome vvould be so vnmindefull as to vvink at suche popular presōption or that his most gracious nature vvould permitt the paynes good vvilles of such vvritters to be requited for any scorne full libell put forth vnder the protectiō of his late Ma. specially times standinge as they did then Neuertheles though some haue vvritten in defence of Kinges kingly state geuen them more immunityes priuileges or prerogatiues then good kinges vvil claime or good common vvealths are bovvnde to yelde yet that excuseth not these commen vvealth mē to straye so far forth out of the right vvaye as to engrosse their bad vvays by priuat monopoles franchesies in preiudice of Royall fredome and common good of all for I am sure that many haue vvrittē apologies touchinge that subiect very laudable vpon good assertions and propositions vvith limitations exceptions allovvāces al allovvable by lavv of reason conscience yea most beneficiall to vvhole sovvnd common vvealths but quite opposite to the general pro positions assertions of these lavvyers layd dovvne for the surmised authorities their broken common vvealths suche as they haue exemplified as patternes to be folovved But this proceedinge of these lavvyers is not all that vvas to dislīke the late kīge or this liuing for albeit this author that carieth vpō his shoulders all the parties named in the sayd libel vvoulde make the late kinge beleeue that all tytles being doutfull his force might should beare avvaye the Crovvne of Englāde for him selfe or theinfante his daughter and to facilitat this course made diuerse seminaryes priestes in spayne that vvēt into englāde by threats or fayre meanes to subscribe that in theire conferences there by all possible meanes they should aduaunce the pretence of the sayd infante yet since that tyme some of his dependents vvith his priuitie practized the aduaūcement of the late earle of Darby an hereticke to the Crovvne of Englande vvhich vvrought his vntimelye death as many say besides after this he him selfe vvrotte a discour se vvhich vvas sent into Englande published to many of the best Catholickes there that he vvoulde vvishe aduise them vvhen the commoditie serued that they should make an election of some principall noble Englishe Catholicke to be their Kinge so that the late King might haue seene if he hade liued vvhat affection respect this author caried either to him or his daunghters tytle or ther persons for that as nevve inuentiōs cōceipts came in to his head he vvould frame suche nevv titles covvrses as vvould best fit the marke he shott at for his particular profit aduauncemēt vvhich if the late Kinge had liued vvould haue bene a sufficiēt vvarnīge to him for euer beinge abused by the sayd author any more no doubt vvill brede the same effect vvith the kinge present his sister the infante vvhen they shall knovv thus muche And as youe may herby see playnly vvith vvhat reasō the kinge of spayne all monarches in generall are to finde them selues greeued vvith these lavvyers for the litle respect they haue to Regall kingly authoritye vvhich kinges are for their saftie to prouide for soe is there none more toched to the quicke by thies lavvyers aucthor then the kings Ma. of Scotland nor vvhome they desire to be more defaced touching his persone Right then he for then they doe as it vvere assure them selues that all their drifts practises vvould haue suche issue as they vvish vvith outlet or empeschement VVherin first their malice is greatly to be taxed that seake to ruyn ouerthrovve a king that neuer did any of them hurte but contrarivvise hath so far fauored somme of the authors function that in deliuering them from daunger of their liues he hazarded him selse for the same as the partyes them selues can not denye if they be asked besides the fauour that he hath shevved to some Catholickes hath neuer vsed persecution against anye vnelest it be against somme verye fevve that haue bene discouered to deale in some practises vvhich he thought might be daūgerous at that tyme to his person state Secondely their arrogancy is great in that they vvill determine vvhere the right of the Crovvne of englāde avvght to be vvoulde haue euery one to folovv the same vvhen they dare not auouche their names being ashamed to iustifie their ignoraunce in the common lavves of the realme Crovvne of Englande Genealogies bi the vvhich the right is to be tried if there vvere any doubt of the kinge of Scotlandes yet neuerthelesse they vvoulde haue theire sayinges courses to disanulle anichilate the manifest knovven Right afore all others vvhiche The kinge of Scottlande hath to the Crovvne of Englande due to him first by the quiet possesiō his Ancesters for diuerse hūdrethe yeares haue had frō vvhēce he is first liniallye discended next for that he is in the first place also by the same meane vvayes that the pretendors vvhome this libeller setteth dovvne vvoulde aduaunce them selues if neede be can lavvfully iustly deriue him selfe a title long tyme afore them all to the Crovvne of Englande And lastly for confirmatiō of the same kinges right to be the truest perfectest of all other vvithout exceptiō Sr. Nicolas Saunders that vvas lorde Cheefe Baron of thexchequer in Englande Sr. Antonye Brovvne that vvas lorde Cheefe Iustice of the commen pleas Mr. Carell called the father of the Iavve attorney for the Queens Ma. of the Duchye Mr. Edmonde Ployden vvhich vvere very vertuous vvise most famous mē for their knovveledge in the lavves of the realme Crovvne of Englāde as the like hath not bene for manie yeares did vvith out doubt difficultie sincerely playnely resolue and determine that the late Queene of Scotlāde vvas next heire apparent to the Realme and Crovvne of Englande vvho vvas his Ma. Mother so consequētly she diinge her heires vvere to succeede vvho debated this point vvith the aduise of the best Heraults of Englande that could be fovvnde had also the opinions of the vviser skilfuller sorte of the Realme that did accorde vvith them yet notvvistanding all this this ignorant author lavvyers vvithout name neither vnderstanding the lavves of England nor skilfull in genealogies vvoulde haue their friuoulous and rediculous reasons to be of more ualour and credit then theis a fore rehersed Lastly thies lavvyers other are to be noted of great presumption disobedience that vvith out the authoritie or vvarrant of their superiou's specially of his holinesse others his predecessors vpon vvhō they ought chefly to relye dare ouerthrovve and make kinges forme