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A06555	The English iarre· or disagreement amongst the ministers of great Brittaine, concerning the Kinges supremacy. VVritten in Latin by the Reuerend Father, F. Martinus Becanus of the Society of Iesus, and professour in diuinity. And translated into English by I.W. P.; Dissidium Anglicarum de primatu Regis. English	Becanus, Martinus, 1563-1624.; Wilson, John, ca. 1575-ca. 1645?	1612 (1612)	STC 1702; ESTC S121050	28,588	66

THE ENGLISH IARRE OR DISAGREEMENT AMONGST the Ministers of great Brittaine CONCERNING the KINGES Supremacy VVritten in Latin by the Reuerend Father F. MARTINVS BECANVS of the Society of IESVS AND Professour in Diuinity And translated into English by I. W. P. ¶ Imprinted Anno M. DC XII THE PREFACE TO the Catholikes of England GOD saue you Right HONOVRABLE and most worthy Champions Giue me leaue awhile to interrupt your patience And if it be not troublesome vnto you heare me a word or two I will not hould you long Two yeares agoe I wrote two little bookes concerning the Kings Primacy the one against the Apology and Preface Monitory of the High and Mighty Prince Iames King of Great-Brittaine the other against the Torture of Tortus or the Kings Chaplayne This thing your Academickes tooke heauily and presētly waged warre against me in their Kings quarrell especially M. VVilliam Tooker M. Richard Tompson M. Robert Burhill and M. Henry Salclebridge Yet for all this I do not fly or feare Nay there be many reasons which make me more couragious First the equity of the Cause Then your Faith and Constancy And lastly the Iarres and deadly Discords of my Aduersaryes one against another Concerning the right of the Cause which I am to defend what need I say any thing I am to fight for the Church of Christ for the honour and Obedience of Prelates and for the example and custome of my Forefathers And heerin shall I feare any man Hath not your faith and constancy which is testified to the whole world by your daily imprisonments fetters punishmēts yea death it self suffered for Christ already shakē off my drowsinesse Whome would it not animate and spurre forwards seing that in this case I may with good reasō apply that saying of the Apostle vnto you Spectaculum facti estis Deo Angelis Hominibus you are made a spectacle to God Angels and Men To God who behouldeth your Combats giueth you strengh to get the victory and prepareth a Crowne for your Triumph To Angells who admire that liuing in this frayle flesh you do not feare the mighty powers of Hell and withall reioyce that so valiant Champions are cōmitted to their charge You are made a spectacle to men who throughout the whole world are wonderfully incensed and styrred vp by your example vertue and patience to vndergoe the like combats and conflicts for Christ. Besides this the disagreements and iarrings of my Aduersaries amongst thēselues are so many and their forces so scattered disordered that I do not esteeme them to be greatly feared If perhaps you know not these their discords heere I offer and dedicate this little Booke vnto you wherin it is particulerly shewed in what points they disagree If your leasure serue you read it and hope well of the issue In the meane while I will prepare my selfe to the Combat and when it is tyme I shall intreat you to be the Spectators Fare ye well and take in good part I beseech you this m● Interpellation From Mentz this moneth of Nouember 1611. Your most louing friend Martin Becanus THE ENGLISH IARRE CONCERNING the Kings Supremacy THE Kinges Supremacy in the Church of England is a new thing It began vnder King Henry the 8. continued vnder King Edward the 6. and Queene Elizabeth and now vnder King Iames the same is rent and torne in peeces with so many domesticall iarres and diuisions that long it cannot stand So as Christ in the Ghospell said full well Omne regnum in se diuisum desolabitur Euery Kingdome deuided in it selfe shal be destroyed But what and how great these discords be I will shew in these few questions following I. VVhether the King of England haue any Primacy in the Church or no II. VVhether the Primacy of the King be Ecclesiasticall and spirituall III. VVhether the King by this Primacy may be called the Primate of the Church IIII. VVhether by vertue of the same Primacy the K. may be called Supreme Head of the Church V. VVhether this Primacy consist in any Power or Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall VI. VVhether the King by reason of his Primacy can assemble or call togeather Councels and sit as President therin VII VVhether he can make Ecclesiasticall Lawes VIII VVhether he can dispose of Ecclesiasticall liuings or Benefices IX VVhether he can create and depose Bishops X. VVhether he can excommunicate the obstinate XI VVhether he can be Iudge and determine of Controuersies XII From whence hath the King this his Primacy XIII VVhether he can force his Subiects to take the Oath of Supremacy In these Questiōs do our Aduersaries extremely differ and dis●gree but especially these M. Doctor Andrewes in his Tortura Torti M. William Tooker Deane of Lichefield in his Combat or single Fight with Martin Becanus M. Richard Tompson in his Reproofe of the Refutation of Tortura Torti M. Robert Burhill in his Defence of Tortura Torti and M. Henry Salclebridge in his Refutation of Becanus his examen Besides these as opposite vnto them I will also cite Doctor Sanders in his booke of the Schisme of Englād Genebard in his Chronology Polydor Virgil in his History of England Iacobus Thuanus of Aust in the History of his tyme Iohn Caluin in his Commentary vpon the Prophet Amos and others The I. Question vvhether the King of England haue any Primacy in the Church 1 THE first Iarre or contention then is concerning the Name of Primacy Many of our Aduersaries admit this Name but M. Richard Tompson had rather haue it called Supremacy then Primacy His reason is because Primacy doth signify a power of the same Order Now the King hath not power in the Church of England of the same Order with Bishops and Ministers but a power of higher and different Order from them Ergo he hath not the Primacy but the Supremacy The words of M. Tompson pag. 33. of his booke are these Nos in Anglico nostro idiomate belliores longè sumus quàm per inopiam Latini sermonis nobis Latinè esse licuit Non enim dicimus The Kings Primacy Regis Primatum sed The Kings Supremacy Regis Suprematum Quo vocabulo nos quoque deinceps vtemur Multùm enim disserunt Primatus Suprematus Illud enim Potestatem eiusdem Ordinis videtur significare hoc non item We in our English tongue do speake much more properly then we can do in the Latin speach through the penury therof For we do not say The Kings Primacy but The Kings Supremacy which word we will heerafter vse For that Primacy and Supremacy do greatly differ Primacy seeming to signify a power of the same Order but Supremacy not so 2. Out of which words we gather two things The one that all Englishmen who vse the Name of Primacy do eyther erre or speake improperly if we belieue M. Tompson For if they speake properly seing that the word Primacy doth properly signify a Power of the same Order they do plainely vnderstand that the

2. The later part of the former point affirmeth M● Burhill pag. 137. when he saith Quod Ambrosio licuit in Theodosium idem alijs in Regem simili de causa liceat c. As it was lawfull for Ambrose to proceed against Theodosius so is it lawfull also for others to proceed against the King in the like cause c. To wit he would say as it was lawfull for S. Ambrose being a Bishop to excōmunicate Theodosius the Emperour so in like manner is it lawfull for our Bishops of England to excomunicate King Iames if he offend in like manner And then againe pag. 242. Supremus Ecclesiae Gubernator potest eijci ex Ecclesia The supreme Gouernour of the Church to wit the King may be cast forth of the Church c. And pag. 267. Rex etsi iustissimè excommunicatus non amittit Primatum The King although he should be most iustly excommunicated yet he doth not loose his Primacy c. 3. Now I do not see how these things can possibly hang togeather or agree with those which hitherto before haue byn att●ibuted to the King For vnto him is attributed That he is Primate and the supreme head of the Church of England That he is aboue all persons aswell Ecclesiasticall as temporall in his Kingdome That he hath supreme most ample and full iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall no lesse then politicall and temporall And notwithstanding all this being so great a person yet can he not excommunicate any one of his subiects eyther Laicke or Church-man although neuer so rebellious and obstinate Nay although he be so great as he is he may neuerthelesse be excommunicated by his subiects cast out of the Church of England wherof he is supreme Head I cānot vnderstand this mystery 4. Heerunto will I adde 3. arguments more which will increase the difficulty The first is He that hath supreme most ample and most full Iurisdictiō Ecclesiasticall in any Kingdome may exercise all the actions offices that belong vnto Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall of that Kingdome But now the King hath supreme most ample and most full iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall in the Kingdome of England as M. Tooker and M. Salclebridg do confesse Ergo he may exerci●e all offices belonging Iurisdiction Ecclesiastical in the Kingdome of England Ergo he may also excōmunicate for that excōmunication which is denoūced by sentence is an act of Ecclesiasticall Iur●sdiction Or els contrariwise if you will thus He that cannot exercise all acts of Ecclesiasticall Iurisdi●●ion in any Kingdome hath not supreme most ample most full Iurisdiction Ecclesiasti●all in that Kingdome But the King of England cannot exercise 〈…〉 of ●cclesiasticall Iurisdiction in his Kingdo●e because he cannot excommunicate any man 〈…〉 not supreme most ample and most 〈…〉 ●●●l●siasticall in his Kingdome 5. The second argument is this He that giueth to another power to excommunicate without doubt hath power himself to excommunicate b●cause no man can giue to another that which he hath not himselfe But the King of England giueth power to his Bishops to excommunicat● Ergo h● hath power to excommunicate The Minor is proued out of M. Tooker pag. 304. where he affirmeth That the Bishops of England do receyue all their Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction of the exteriour Court from the King But now power to excommunicate belongeth to Iurisdiction of the exteriour Court a● the Chaplaine pag. 41. and M. Tooker pag. 305. expressely teach vs saying Rex habet omnem iurisdictionem spiritualem in foro exteriori exceptis quibusdam censuris The King hath all Iurisdiction spirituall in the exteriour Court excepting certaine Censures But now h● excepteth Excommunicatiō wherin yow see is to be noted againe a contradictiō in M. Tooker for that he referreth Censures amongst which excommunication is one to the Iurisdiction of the exteriour Court True indeed Bu● yet he adioyneth two other things that are con●radictory The first that the King can giue vnto Bishops all Iurisdiction of the exteriour Court and th● second that the King hath not all Iurisdiction o● the exteriour Court 6. The third Argument is That whosoeuer is subiect to another in Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction of the exteriour Court hath not supreme mo●t ample and full Iurisdictiō Ecclesiasticall of the exteriour Court● But the King is subiect to some other body in Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction of the exteriour Court to wit to the Bishop because he may by him be excommunicated by sentence and cast out of the Church as M. Burhill doth confesse Ergo he hath not supreme most ample and most full Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall in the exteriour Court c. Or if you will contrarywise thus He that is subiect to no other in Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction cannot by any man be excōmunicate● by sentence But the King now if he haue supreme Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction is subiect to no other in Iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall Ergo he cannot by any other be excōmunicated c. I doubt not but you ma●ke well that these things do not agree XI Question VVhether the King may be Iudge of all Controuersies in the Church 1. CONTROVERSIES that arise in the Church are of two sortes some are about faith and Religion others are concerning Ecclesiasticall affayres The former of these questions then is Whether the King by vertue of his Primacy be supreme Iudg of all Controuersies which pertayne vnto faith and Religion M. Salclebridge saith he is pag. 163. in these words Sic luce clarius ●st Christianos Principes cum laude Controuers●as fid●i dijudicasse dir●misse etiam in vniuersalibus oct● Concilijs c. So as it is more cleare then the sūne that Christian Princes with prais● haue iudged of and decided controuer●ies of faith and that in eight Generall Councells c. Which is as much to say in the first of Nice the first of Constantinople that of Ephesus Chalcedon the second third fourth of Constantinople and the second of Nice wherin diuers cōtrouersies concerning matters of faith were iudged of and decided especially concerning the diuinity of Christ against the Hereticke Arius of the diuinity of the holy Ghost against Macedonius of one person of Christ against Nestorius of two Natures in Christ against Eutyches and Dioscorus so of others All these Controuersies saith M. Salclebrigde were iudged of and decided by Kings and Emperours 2. M. Tooker now he affirmeth the quite contrary who by no meanes will haue Kings or Emperors to be Iudges of Controuersies of faith For thus he writeth pag. 3. of his booke Olere autem malitiam ac clamitare audaciam tuam illud vid●tur cùm Regem caput Ecclesiae Primatemque confingas omniumque causarum controuersiarum quae ad fidem R●ligionem pertinent iudicem tribuas It may seeme to sauour of malice cry out vpon you sausinesse when as you feigne the King to be head of the Church and Iudg of all causes and controuersies which pertaine vnto faith and Religion c. And againe pag. 50●● Rex in