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A79524	Catholike history, collected and gathered out of Scripture, councels, ancient Fathers, and modern authentick writers, both ecclesiastical and civil; for the satisfaction of such as doubt, and the confirmation of such as believe, the Reformed Church of England. Occasioned by a book written by Dr. Thomas Vane, intituled, The lost sheep returned home. / By Edward Chisenhale, Esquire.	Chisenhale, Edward, d. 1654.	1653 (1653)	Wing C3899; Thomason E1273_1; ESTC R210487	201,728	571

King John about an election of a Bishop of Canterbury the King electing John Grey and the Pope Stephen Langton which Stephen Langton was in right of the Pope set up against the Kings election Which case if truly weighed with discretion and due consideration it will neither tend much to disparage the King nor to advantage the Pope in point of claim The busines was briefly thus as it is recorded by feverall Authors domestick and forrain There was a controversie started between the King and the Monks Saint Austins who against the Kings right the opinion of Hubert the Archbishop did withhold the Kings Presenter out of possession of the Church of Feversham insomuch that the King was forced to make use of the posse commitatus and by force to expulse them from their unjust possession which was presently reported to his holinesse who never examining the Kings right did conceive a grudge against King John and as time and opportunity served did vent his spleen against him insomuch as he after the death of Hubert did upon his own score and both against the King the Monks of Christ Church elect Steph. Langton A man that was a great friend and familiarly entertained by the French King who was an utter enemy to King John and whom the Pope had wrought to compass a revenge against King John to prepare a numerous and powerful Army to invade England and this upon no other Quarrell but because King John had by force expulsed the said Monks from their unjust detaining possession of the Church of Feversham pretending that that force which was used for the gaining of the Kings Right was a violation of the Rights and Priviledge of the holy Church and so did make use of that liberty for a cloak of malitiousnesse and not as the Servants of God 1 Pet. 2.16 Stephen Langton And the crafty Pope having thus prepared the French King to flie into hostility against King John he thought he might with more confidence oppose the King in his election of Grey and did after a time work so with the Monkes of Christ Church that they were induced to adhere to the Popes Election of Stephen Langton This Langton saith Mathew Paris was Virum strenuum a man that could exact of the Clergy keep in awe the Laiety and encounter the King and Nobility he was a man after the Popes own heart and therefore such a man must not want a Bishoprick Yet King John did heartily enveigh against his admission and the rather because he was so great a Favorite of the French Kings who then lay at Calice ready to invade him The Pope having thus broke the Kings head by bringing these innumerate troubles and dangers upon him That he might appear to the world to be notwithstanding a Holy Father and one who minded the peace and welfare of Christian soules he gives a plaister to the wound he himself had made and steps in to mediate between the two Kings who then stood in a mutuall posture of Armes ready to expose the lives of many thousands to the hazard of the Sword in this their quarrel which quarrel being meerly fomented by the Pope and not proceeding from nationall interests which was unknown to King John For the French pretended their Invasion upon the score of Kingship and Conquest the Pope knew how to take Philip the French King off because he was meerly put on by him upon his blessing and pardon of sins and promise of the Kingdome of England if he could catch it and upon such promises of reward and such indulgences he had poysoned some of the Nobility of England who thereupon made defection and seemed to incline to the King of France his side The Pope I say stept in as a peace-maker betwixt them and sunt his Legate Pandulphus to King John who insinuating unto him the danger he then stood in and how his Kingdom stood open to a powerfull enemy then ready to invade and was like to be made a prey unto them for that the King went against his Holiness recōmendation of Langton and had violated the priviledge of the holy Church and for this many of his Subjects were in France with the French King ready to engage against him and likewise that there were many in the Host and severall of his Nobility which if it proceeded to a war would desert him and therefore his holinesse out of the love and affection he bore to the King and the tender care of his Christian sons in England came thither to entreat his Majesty which word Majesty though it was not familiarly applyed to our Kings before Hen. 8. time yet it was an antient attribute long before King John as may appear by Bracton Britton and other antient writers to be reconciled to his Holinesse and he would undertake to divert the French and restore a generall quiet and peace to his Realme of England The King warily suspecting the danger of forrain and treachery of Domestick Enemies and wisely recounting with himself the grounds he had to suspect the dangers at hand did for to avoid that mischief more then out of any fear he then stood in of the French King agree to serve the time and did admit of Langton and taking the Legate to Dover with him did there signe a Bull of submission The Golden Bull. by which Bull he acknowledged his Crown to be held of the Popes Myter promising to pay yeerly 1000 marks for England and Ireland to his Holinesse and his successours for ever which promise might have been performed as to that payment would that yeerly stipend have satisfied the Popes and have been allowed as a free donation like to the former grants of Iva offa and Ethelwolf of the yeerly Peter-pence But 't was not that he looked for The crafty Pope having thus wrought his ends against King John got double honour by his enterprise for by his peace made with King John he had utterly spoiled the ground of the French King his Quarrell his Army being raised upon the Score of the Holy Church which the Pope declaring his peace with K. John the French King Philip in great choller partly for that he was thus deluded and partly for that he had lost his Navie which the Ear I of Salisbury had set on fire in the Haven at Calice did retire he now being out of hopes by this Quarrell any further to promote his own interest in respect he found defections at home not onely the English but his own subjects not being willing to engage in a nationall quarrell against England besides the discords of England by this peace made with the Pope being reconciled all hopes of prevailing against K. John forsook him and in a discontented mind rage he retired back to Paris And thus the Pope at once fooled two Kings for the Bull of delusion which was thrown at King John did rebound into the face of King Philip the same Instrument that was

thirteenth Chapter Neither is there any warrant from Scripture or other antiquity to warrant these titles unlesse like a Sowter the leather with his teeth his Holinesse will strain Scripture so farre that he will have that place of 1 Sam. 2. Domini sunt Cardines terrae to be propheticall of their order or els orrows the phrase from a Carpenter who is said to incardinate or mortize or rivet and the Pope alluding to this thinks he has so engeniously strengthened the door of his Pallace by these adventitious props which though at first they were but underhand Vicars to the Parish Priests of Rome insomuch that a Bishop formerly refused to accept the title because he would not descend from a higher to a lower dignity yet now through the iniquity of time the pride of Popes and the dullnesse of Christian Princes are started up from minor shrubs to top the pole of Majesty and instead of Parish Priests are become Princes Peers and by Pope Nicholas the second made sole Electors of the Pope of which in the fourteenth chapter The first that was elected by their holy honors was Pope Hildebrand a most troublesome wicked man of whom you will hear more hereafter and one in whom nature seemed to have placed the indelible characters of rebellion against God and man a fitting son for such a Mother the first born of this purple Conclave in whom they perceived their own Image and that the tree might be known by the fruit did therefore elect him Pope who did not afterwards bastard his calling but manifested through the course of his life from whence he sprung and lest in time this plantation should degenerate from that sublimity was then challenged by them they have continually since studied to find out men suitable to their own heart to make Cardinalls of and generally such are chosen into this order as will not stick to pull down their naturall Prince to advance the designs of their new Master witnesse my Countrey-man Allen who confessed to the Jesuit Parsons that his Holinesse had made him Cardinall intending to send him as his Legat for the sweeter managing of that great and godly design of the Spanish Armado against England and that he compiled a book which should have been published for the better drawing on the people of England to joyne with the Spaniard The first part whereof was called A Declaration of the Sentence the second an Admonition to the Nobility wherein he promised their safety and preservation though it may be doubted he intended to practise the feats of an Allen upon them which saies Purchas in his Pilgrimage lib. 8. cap. 3. beats other Beads till they vomit their prey for him to devoure and then dismisses them away with little meat in their bellies or feathers on their backs and t●is like he would have used our Noble● no better had his Bilbo Blades been once brandished on our English plains and proved successefull in that design He for this his unnaturall cruelty and trechery against his own dear Countrey and liege Lord was admitted as Saul amongst the Israelites chief of the scarlet crew a godly tribe truly worthy of their red Cap and Gown as thereby denoting to the world their bloudy inventions and close practises against all that will not become subservient homages and vassalize themselves to their impious Lord and Master to whom I desire-to return my present discourse to disprove his pretended Catholiqueship I have hitherto argued ex Concesso Peter was not Bishop of Rome that Peter was not Bishop of Rome which I desire might be proved I find that he was appointed over them of the Circumcision and Paul was to preach unto the Gentiles he was appointed Bishop of Antioch and I do not find that he was removed by any order or mission of the rest to translate his See to Rome nor that he himself had any vision or revelation to warn him thereunto when he went to Cornelius being a Gentile we read that it was upon speciall revelation Acts 10. for ordinarily it was not lawfull for him to accommodate with the Gentiles he being consigned over them of the Circumcision insomuch that Paul withstood him to his face Galat 2. for accompanying with the Gentiles which the Doctor confesses in his book cap. 20. to be an error of conversation wherefore for him to argue that Peter was at Rome is to charge Peter with more errors and so it will prove a hard task for the Pope to prove his Church built upon him to be infallible unlesse he can prove mission of the rest of the Apostles or an especial revelation from God for his so doing The Popes Parasites must pump for a new tradition to prove that Peter had another vision for his coming to Rome as they have already done to prove his returning back to Rome when he had intended to have left it and when that 's done still they are at a non plus for should they prove that he was there it doth not thereby follow that he was Bishop there for if so they charge him again with another condemnable error as that he should for fear of persecution forsake his Flock insomuch as his own traditions say he was flying out of Rome for fear of the persecution which was not done like a good Shepheard if he had a flock in Rome wherefore should they prove him there and that he was warned to return as their traditionall story doth purport yet they cannot from thence conclude that he was Bishop there his walking thorow all quarters did not make him Bishop in anothers Dicesse James continued Bishop of Ierusalem notwithstanding Peter and the rest were there nor is it evident by the Scripture that he walked thorow the Gentiles quarters For admit universall power of governing was given to him by the treble pasce yet yet it was afterwards restrained from the Gentiles Paul being a chosen Vessell for to carry the Gospell to them and was ordained an Apostle and Minister to that end Paul appointed over the Gentiles infra 63. chap. 8. so that where it is said that Peter walked thorough all quarters that is to be understood the then known quarters of the East for at that time Paul was not called who after his Ordination preached at Damascus and Hierusalem and after to the people of Rome and that without let as it is in the last of the Acts and he did magnifie his office Rom. 11.13 in that he was appointed over them Marsilius defensor pacis 2. dict 16. cap. affirms that he was Bishop there and if so then Peters coming thither did not nullifie his Office for that it was the direction of the Holy Ghost Rom. 15.19 that none should build upon anothers foundation that is they should not be busie Bishops in anothers Diocesse so that it will be very hard for the Doctor to prove his Holinesse Peters Successor Linus who by some is supposed immediate Successor after Peter in that

made use of to cheat King John out of his right served likewise to delude King Philip of his vain hopes which Instrument bringing so much honour and profit to the See of Rome was afterwards with great insultation and triumph glased in Gold and was called the Golden Bull and Pope Innocent the third having so good successe against these Kings he procured presently after in a Gouncell of L●teran that the Popes should be declared above Kings as appears in the 14 chapter This is that Magna Charta by which his Holinesse claimes a superintendency in England who please duly to consider will find that it is a thing of scorn and mockery to Rome and of no dishonour or damage to the Crown of England For King John subscribing that Bull and making the Kingdome tributary was against the Law of the Land For the King cannot dispose of those things that are inherent in the Crown much lesse of the Crown it self to make it tributary and this Moore a great Roman Catholike confessed that unless it were by consent of the Nobles And the Commons of the Land it could not bind the successours of the King which is the true Rule of our Law and agreeable to the antient Constitutions of our Land and whereas Steph. Langton was confirmed Bishop that confirmation unlesse it had been by the Kings consent gave him no right to that place for the consent of the Monks to his election without a Conge deslier against the Kings consent who had sole right to collate to the See of Canterbury in respect that of that time the Bishops were not elegible did not at all help the matter for Stephen Langton was admitted anno 1205. and the Roll for making them elegible was not till the 17 of King John which was 12 years after his installment so that had it not been that the King consented to it and did repell his electing of Grey Langton had been an usurper notwithstanding the election of the Monks befides the Monks could not elect him nor any other without the Kings Writ of Conge Deslier This Langton as I have said before was a man so much qualified that he could not want his Holinesse favor for he was a second Hildebrand a meer State incendiary and knew how to trouble the clear waters and make them fit for his Holinesse to fish for gudgeons P●● Favors Railors And would the Doctor but conspire to plot some mischief against his mother Country no doubt he might be preferred as Allen was to the dignity of a Cardinall But I hear he is a man of another temper and therefore I much honour him and am sorry he hath betaken himself to the company of those whose respects towards him will grow cold for as he is a meek and sober man he is uselesse to his Holinesse and must never think to find any extraordinary favour or honour from him for it is a Papall maxime not to Canonize Innocents amongst Saints time hath made the Popes experienced and master builders of their Spiritual Babell they are grown Cunning architectors and know how to fit every piece serviceably in the rearing up of the Babilonish Tower The Doctour was presently discovered not to be fit for an ignation of whom it is required to be active stirring and turbulent But he would serve for a Carthusian who spend their time in more confined and retirednesse Ex quovis ligno non fit mercurius But this by the way I return to the Golden Bull. As the installing of Langton had been void notwithstanding the election had not the King consented to a new Conge Deflier so was the donation of that tribute to the Pope void and null notwithstanding the Golden Bull The Golden Bull. which Bull though it received so much honour as to be entombed in Gold and laid up for an everlasting Monument of Romes acquired wealth and dignity Yet in my judgement serves for no other use but to take up a room in the Treasury of their Superstitious Trumperies and instead of being consecrate to the memory of Pandulphus and serves to put posterity in mind of his course imployment to cheat Princes and the Popes wickedness to set him a work about unlawfull designes which when they were at chieved to their desire became of no validity and so this sacred Monument instead of Glory becomes a lasting Record of their shame and foolery I wonder in what forme this Magna Charta was enclosed when it received its Golden-outside The Golden Bull Anno 1217. sure it is was made like a Nut and did thereby Hierogliphick its short continuance for it was not long preserved it proved deaf presently after For that very year it was Sealed King John dyed and Hen. 3d his sonne succeeded him who sent Hugh Biggod a Noble man and others to the Generall Councell at Lyons in France to require that Bull to be Cancelled in respect that it passed not by consent of the Councell of the Realm which the Pope put off for that time under pretence of more weighty affairs and still keeps the same amongst his other Monumentall Trophies nor did England at any time since seek to have the Nut resto●ed but waves all interest to it and freely proclaims that any who please may crack it and take the Kernell for their pains By vertue of this grand Charter the Pope had in conceit under his jurisdiction the Kingdome of England but it was but in conceit for he regained no more benefits or vertuall prerogative from thence then the Turk doth who tacitely by his title of being Lord of Europe stiles himself Lord thereof Hen. 3d never paid any tribute nor acknowledged it due nor any of the three succeeding Edwards and Anno 6. R. 2. all the Kingdome willingly bound themselves by a Law to maintain the Crown of England against all Papall citation suspension excommunications and censures whatsoever which they judged free and subject to none save God The power of Magistracy being innate not affixed to England The next Argument the Papists make to prove the Popes Ecclesiastical power in England The King styled Defender of the Faith by the Pope is from Hen. 8. his accepting the style of Defender of the Faith as an honour proceeding from his Holinesse whereby they would perswade that the King is not to meddle with matters of Faith within his own Realms unlesse by deputation or consent of his Holinesse to which I answer I have proved that by the antient Lawes of the Kingdome the King is superintendent within his own Dominions as well in cases Ecclesiasticall as Civill in Scripture Kings are called Nursing Fathers of the Church Isai 49.23 and this right was in the Crown before ever Hen. 8. had it promulged by the Pope for R. 2. in a Commission granted by him used these words Nos zelo fides Catholicae cujus sumus esse volumus defensores in omnibus c. wherefore for the Pope to give this stile

be taxed for negligence herein so neither hath she heretofore been careless in this point It is true according to that of S. Paul 1 Cor. 11.19 that there must be heresies that they which are approved might be known But she was never wanting friendly to admonish and with motherly reasons to perswade her Christian sons to obedience as witnesseth the several publike Conserences had at Hampton and elsewhere which was all that of her self she was able to do Bishops cannot reform without approhation from the Parliament She may decree things in her Convocation and Church-assemblies but they are no binding Rules by the Laws of the Land without the approbation of the Civil power and therefore is it ordinarily that the Convocation sits when there is a Parliament that if there be any new Rules of Faith to be declared they may receive the approbation and allowance of the Temporal Magistrate by force whereof they become obligatory to the people As for the Bishops their sitting in Parliament they do not sit there as Bishops to judge but as Barons they judge as Bishops they onely advise left any Moral Law be made repugnant to Gods Word and so likewise the Judges sit in Parliament to advise lest any new Law be made either in it self irregular or contradictory to the fundamental Laws of the Kingdom but neither the Bishops as Bishops or the Judges sit in Parliament as Judges to decree and vote in the legislation of any new Rule Whereas in old Presidents it is said By assent of the King Bishops si● as Barons not as Bishops in Parliament by the advice of the Lords spiritual and temporal c. it is not hereby to be understood that as Spiritual Lords they judged in the making of the Municipal Law onely they were named before the Temporal Lords for that they were the greater number and all Barons or Peers were alike The Bishops Abbots and Priors which had Baronies annexed to them were far exceeding the number of the Temporal Lords as may appear by ancient Rolls there were 27 Abbots and 2 Priors which had Baronies annexed to their Spiritualties by vertue whereof both they and the Bishops which likewise had Baronies annexed to their Sees sate on Parliament in a distinct capacity from the Spiritualty as to the matter of Judicature Now that they were the greater number appears by this The Abbots Priors and Bishops which held by Barony were fifty and there were but few Noble-men of the Laity there were none or few Earls but of the Blood Royal Noble-men in England and therefore to this day they are termed by the Kings Writs Consanguinei nostri in after-time they were made more common insomuch that whereas Alfred had divided the Kingdom into Shires and committed the Government of every Shire and appointed a Lieutenant to every Shire to govern it and to rule and controul the outrageous subjects at home as well as to defend it from forraign enemies That Officer in after-times became a Count and the country over which he was appointed Governour was called a County which since was changed the King taking from the Earl or Count that power he not liking that this power should remain main in one hereditary and which had it not immediately from himself And because the Earl to whom such charge was committed was not so ready to be corrected if he did amiss and that the administration of justice might immediately proceed from the King himself it was therefore taken from the Earl and given to one yeerly appointed thereto who because he did execute that power which the Earl formerly had is called Vice-comes quia vicem Comit is suppleat Mirror cap. 1. sect 3. By which it appears that there were not many Peers of the Laytie And as for any other degrees of Nobility as Duke Marquess Nobility in England or Viscount they were but puisne names of titular dignity and doth not make them Peers or Judges of Parliament unless they have Baronies annexed to them as it is resolved by the Law of England 14 H. 4.7 and therefore in Parliament all Peers votes are equal without distinction of their titular dignities For as for the name Duke there was none in England after the Conquest before the Black Prince Edward son of Rich. 2. nor any Marquess before Robert Earl of Oxford was made Marquess of Dublin by R. 2. nor any Viscount before John de bello monte was made Viscount Bellamont or Beaumont by H. 6. By which it is manifest that the Nobility was but few in ancient time and therefore the Lords Spiritual being the greater number of Peers are named before the Lords Temporal not that they either have any superiority in Judicature or that they sit there as Judges in their Spiritual capacity as may likewise appear by Roll of Parliament 18 H. 3. m. 17. The Bishops sitting in a Convocation at Gloucester were inhibited to meddle of the Temporal state of the King or his Nobles c. upon pain of having their Baronies confiscate for they had distinct capacities as they are Bishops they were not to meddle with Temporal affairs wherefore were they inhibited in that Assembly at Gloucester which was meerly of spiritual men to proceed in matters temporal and as they are Barons and therefore sit in Parliament they may not there judge of things spiritual all transactions of that nature being to receive debate in the Convocation of the Clergie Wherefore it may not be laid to the charge of the Bishops that they sitting in Parliament did not reform the Schisms in the Church for that they were not proper Judges thereof as they sate in Parliament but onely when they sate in the Convocation which Convocation was prevented to be convened according to the old Rules and Customs of this Nation by the popular sort which then not knowing what they would have at all adventure cried down Episcopacie and having pulled down that stately glorious fabrick all that ever the then-busie Reformers could frame out of the timber of the old building was but to patch and cobble up a Presbyterian cottage and that so weakly joynted and set together that it was judged by the most of them that it could not stand above three yeers A pitiful change It is an evil bird defiles its own nest and must our English Sion which was the glory of this Land and the envie of other Nations be made a scorn unto her enemies by her own adopted sons If children live honestly says Solomon Ecclus 22. they shall put away the shame of their parents but if they be proud with haughtiness and foolishness they defile the nobility of their own kindred Wherefore I humbly beg of the chief Governours and Rulers of the people to reflect upon their mother-Church and to consider her in her sufferings to pray for her and to endeavour her peace Pray for the peace of Jerusalem they shall prosper that love her And to put to their helping

Joseph of Arimathea is not certainly known to have come whether from Rome from Paul or from Philip out of France or immediately from the East it is no great matter for by the confession of the Church of Rome we had the true faith amongst us before Eleutherius time and had Pastors then and since have continued a lawfull succession of governing Bishops Succession of Bishops in England even to the last late reverend father William of Cant. and whereas the Dr. twits against our succession of Bishops that we cannot maintain it unlesse we fetch it from Rnme I answer that we being a distinct Province the Bishop of Rome hath no power of Ordination here for by the Councell of Nice the 22. Can. a Bishop is not to ordain in anothers Diocesse Et si quis tale facere tentaverit irrita sit ejus ordinatio and though we be different of late from Rome and that it were time we had our order of Episcopacie from thence yet the late Bishops which were so different from Rome might ordain others within their own Province though Hereticks for that as I said before Haereticus est pars Ecclesiae Moreover it is decreed in the Councell of Florens that ordo imprimit characterem indelebilem therefore children baptized by an heretick are not to be rebaptized which the Councell of Trent hath decreed against the opinion of Cyprian Nam licet male utuntur potestate ministri sibi tradita prosint aliis non sibi Sicut enim per asinam Balaam loquutus est Deus ita per malos ministros Sacramenta praestat And Sum. Sacr. Rom. eccl Sect. 136. Episcopi haeretici veros ordines conferent vera praestant Sacramenta So that by the rules of the Papists themselves we notwithstanding we be hereticks or Schismaticks yet having once lawfull orders which gave an indelible character and in that a power of conferring the same upon others as long as we remain Christians and believe in the holy and blessed Trinity though we differ in other points yet we remain still members in the Catholick Church and have a power of conferring orders and I much wonder the Doctour should be so harsh against our Hierarchy unlesse he sometimes made a bait to fly at a Bishoprick and being canvassed in Peters net it stirred up some atra bilis which since would never be allayed he is so much incensed against it that he utterly denyes our succession upon the interruption of Romane Bishops in H. 8. and Queen Eliz. time for my part his allegations against it do not much trouble me nor I hope will they find entertainment with many sith they carry with them no more weight then the bare opinion of himself he positively affirming upon his own authority that our ministers are not in legal Orders insomuch that if one of our Priests came to Rome he must be ordained a new which if it be true it is contrary to the decrees of Popish Councells and will be a sufficient testimony to the world to convince them of falshood and jugling with the world that they should profess one thing and practise another to declare in Councells that a Heretick confers true and perfect orders and yet will not in their practice allow of it however for them to affirm us Hereticks is to beg the question and therefore we may safely within our own province continue a succession of Orders without any approbation of theirs at all nor is this any more then of right is due to us as may appear by the 1 Councell of Nice Provincial Ordination of Bishops 4 Can. a Bishop ought to be ordained by the severall Bishops of the Province but if they cannot conviently all meet to this purpose then three shall serve to perform the ordination which is also confirmed by the Councell of Antioch 19 Can. and the Councell of Carthage 13 Can. and it is the opinion of some learned Divines that in case of necessity the Ministers may Ordain where Bishops are wanting for that the Presbytery or Ministry have right to impose hands and the Keyes are said to be Claves ecclesiae non claves episcoporum seu presbyterorum Infra 43.5 chap. yet God be blessed England was never put to this strait we still had a continuing succession of Bishops notwithstanding the deprivation of the Popish Prelates and so according to that Canon did ordain in our own Precincts which as it is of right our due and belonging to us so it is likewise practised and hath been the antient Custom of other Provinces as wel as this as the Eastern Provinces ordain without the assistance of Rome and in these Western parts even in France and Germany and other places which right of Ordination being thus by decrees of the Generall Councels annexed to distinct Provinces I much wonder the moderate Papists of France and Germany should suffer themselves to be trampled upon by the Ignatian tribe sworn Servants to the imperious Pope who dayly exercises strange dominion over them making no other use of them then the Turk doth of his slaves to wit to do his drudgery whilst he himself reaps the fruits of their labours It argues a cowardly spirit to be afraid to right themselves herein because some of their Princes have fallen in the attempt amongst whom the 4th Henries of both Countries were sacrificed to the ambition and rapine of the encroaching Popes such horrid attempts as these should rather stir up their noble spirits to a just revenge upon the bloudied conclave for putting into act such cursed designes then through the base treachery of an ignoble nature slavishly to submit themselves to the Antichristian yoke of Rome when as if they would noblely withstand his unjust intrusions upon them they might restore to themselves a Church free from such Babylonish bondage and in some commendable measure imitate the heavenly Hierusalem which is above free and the Mother of us all For though their Consciences be not convinced of Romes Errours yet they may having distinct Provinces within themselves hold Councels ordain Bishops and performe other ecclesiastical rights and duties without being appointed thereunto from Rome or being commanded to give an account thither of their proceedings therein The Bishop of Rome being onely equal to other Sees in a Pastorall institution and lockt up within certain provinciall precincts by decrees of the primitive Councels and let them be sure of this as long as they continue themselves Saints to the Church of Rome they shall be sure to be fed with step-mothers shives whereas if th y would put their Churches under natural and proper heads of their own they might be sure to find more indulgent cherishing and tender care whereby they would in the eyes of their husband look more comely and the French Lillies would more neerly represent Christ his Spouse But I return to the Doctor The Doctor urges that our succession of Bishops in England was last for that it was interrupted by