John Summervile who were both condemned but the year before for Conspiracy and Treason against the Queens Majesty at which Trial he heard Edward Arden confess that this Throgmorton was engaged in the same Conspiracy Now this Mr. Cade being well acquainted with Throgmorton informed the Lord Mayor of London of what he had heard who upon this Information apprehended Throgmorton but treasonable Papers being found then in his Pocket verified Mr. Cade's Evidence Amongst the Papers was found a Letter dated at Norwich the second of June from the above-named Richard Harper By Harper's Enquiry it is plain that the Plot of 1588 was then a hatching with these expressions Let us know how our Friends from Spain and yours in London do correspond and whether that King continues his purpose that the Engagers may be satisfied and have notice Upon these words exprest Mr. Cade advised that his Chambers both at Norwich and in London might be searched and that Samuel Harper may be seized on which was approved of and so ordered but Samuel Harper by some notice having warning fled not above three hours before the Pursuivant could come to Norwich yet several Papers of Treason were found in this Throgmorton's Chamber The treasonable Papers that were found in Throgmorton's Chamber amongst which there were Licences and Pardons from the Jesuits Convent at Sevill The undertakers were to be of what Trade or Calling soever they pleased to teach what Doctrine to be of what Opinion or Religion soever provided that they assembled quarterly together and keep a monthly correspondence with that Convent Papers to the same effect from that Societies Convents at Paris and at Rome were found dated from thence How the Jesuits stiled the D. of N. touching the D. of N. who was only stiled by the name of Thomas Howard Gent. our very good Friend Had these Papers been extant at his Trial they would have satisfied her Highness and her Council very much yet being discovered at this present they give us great insight how Rome contrived the Wars of Scotland and so many Traytors against her Highness and that Queen Mary of Scotland was correspondent with them The Originals her Highness is loath to have published for several reasons best known to her Majesty This Francis Thogmorton being condemned for High Treason was drawn from Newgate unto Tyburn where he was hanged bowelled and quartered on the 10th of July following Observe how the Pope licences Jesuits and Friars to Preach in a Dissenters Habit to make a faction with Protestants before his Execution he confessed that there were in England above a dozen that he knew who were permitted to Preach by the Jesuits Licences purposely to breed a Faction in these Dominions but by reason that he was condemned and to be hanged he thought he was not bound to discover their names This account I have from the Sheriffs certified from the Records of Guild-Hall where he was Tried and received his Sentence Many more things of this nature may we bring during this gracious Queens days but we shall abbreviate and draw nearer to her Successor King James of happy memory Pope Clement the 8th consulting with his Emissaries how this King had married into a Protestant Monarchy Pope Clement the 8ths project to hinder King James his succession to Queen Elizabeth set all his Engines at work to defraud this Monarch of the succession after Queen Elizabeth for about the year 1601. this Pope sent his Breves as they call them into England warning all the Clergy and Laity that professed the Roman Faith not to admit after the Queens death any Prince how near soever in Blood to the King of England unless he should bind himself by Oath to promote the Catholick Roman Religion to the utmost of his power To promote this their wicked conspiracy at the same time came into Scotland two factious and wicked spirited Jesuits viz. John Hamilton and Edmond Hay the first especially for that he was known to have been a chief Instrument of the Seditions raised in the City of Paris in the time of the league King James having intelligence of their repairing into his Dominion set forth a Proclamation inhibiting their resort under the pain of Treason In which Proclamation to make them the more odious these two were compared to Bothwell and Gowry his Majesty declaring at that present that he would judge no otherwise of their Receptors than of those that did treasonably pursue his own life yet notwithstanding this Kings Proclamation they found holes to lurk in amongst those of their own Religion in the Northern parts and by this means kept in the Countrey till after some years that John Hamilton was apprehended and carried to the Tower of London where he died before he came to Trial. Still they continued their projects against this King and his Title to England knowing they had lost all hope of gaining his affection or obtaining any promise of the toleration of their Religion when he should come to that Crown Thereupon they fell to treat of a Marriage betwixt the Lady Arabella and Robert Prince of Savoy and that not succeeding then they proposed a Match betwixt the said Lady and a Grand-child of the Earl of Hartfords judging by this conjunction many would befriend them to the excluding of this King from the succession of the Crown of England but the Queens Majesty who truly favoured the Right of this Monarch though she would not openly profess so much dashed all these Jesuitical projects and so caused an eye to be kept upon the Lady Arabella as also upon all who resorted unto her by whose Majestick wisdom this high Monarch came peaceably and was invited by an unanimous consent of her Majesties Privy-Council to his Crown of England as may appear by that Councils proceedings after the Queens death by their Letter subscribed by that Council then in being which Bishop Spotswood specifies in his History of the Church and State of Scotland pag. 473. This King was scarcely setled in his Throne to settle the affairs of his Realm of England when this Papal Society contrived to have executed a quick dispatch of King and State as appears by their bloody contrivance of the Gun-powder Plot which being already set at large to publick view the Narrative we refer to the Reader and so omit it Many more Jesuitical Plots of this nature we could bring in during this Kings days contrived as that of Gundymores and others but shall lay them aside and treat of matters of this nature contrived during the Reign of his Son Charles the First of happy Memory We have already mentioned the Papal contrivance for a Match for the Lady Arabella How the Papists thought by the late Kings Marrying of Qu. Mary to bring in the French Kings Forces into Ireland to invade that Nation and so to claim a Title to that Crown as a means to defraud the Kings of Scotlands Right to the Crown of England the Papists rejoycing at the conjunction of England and France by the Marriage of Charles the First and Queen Mary of France hoping thereby to raise such another claim to the Crown of Egland as France did in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth by that Match of Mary Queen of Scots they contrived a way to set Ireland in an uprore for King Charles
dissenting disguise first set these people a madding and after slipt their own necks out of the halter reserving those halters at last to hang those whom they had seduced by which they suppose themselves not guilty of the Fact by reason none of them who were executed for the same declared to be a Papist Amongst these Priests and Jesuits then present at that bloody work there were two of the late Queens Confessors one of whom went under the name of Captain Tho Preston and had a Command of a Troop of Horse under Oliver the Usurper This said Impostor came over into Ireland and lay for a time at Alderman John Preston's House in Skinner row in Dublin his Troop of Horse at that time being quartered at Athy a Town distant about 27 miles from that City to disguise his Jesuitical policy and that he might not be suspected he Married or at least kept a Wench as his Wife for you have already heard how they esteem the Marriage of the Church of England Heretical by which device of theirs they say 't is no Marriage but a venial sin This pretended Captain upon the Restauration of our now gracious King Charles the Second laid down his Arms and declared what he was saying that he would fall to his old Calling and being asked what that Calling was he made answer that he was the Queens Confessor and was not ashamed to own it Several of the City of Dublin have heard this and can testify the same Sir John Temple and Doctor Borlace in their Books touching the relation of the Irish Rebellion begun anno 1641. make mention of a Friar who cruelly tied or caused to be tied several Protestants back to back and so to be flung over Portadowne-Bridge in Ireland A relation of a Popish Impostor by Order a Friar and he took upon him a Military Employment and changed his Name to advance the Church of Rome This Friar about the time that Oliver Cromwell came over into Ireland went disguised into England at which time he received one Wards Wife by whom he had several Bastards pretending she was his Wise Cromwell going back for England this Friar by what means is not known became very gracious and conversant with that Usurper and then went under the name of Captain Holland upon this intimacy and acquaintance Oliver Cromwell made use of this Impostor and gave him a large allowance per annum to give him Foreign and Domestick Intelligence for he would pay upon Post-days above forty shillings and more for Letters directed to him by the name of Captain Holland yet it chanced that upon a certain Speech which Oliver made anno 1654. to this effect viz. that there was nothing done in England either of State or Ecclesiastical matters but that it was carried on by the Jesuits and that Rome knew things before they were past in England and so bade his then Parliament to look into this affair search being made and things inquired into some of these Impostors were discovered amongst the rest this pretended Captain Holland and the Crimes which we have already mentioned laid to his charge yet Oliver Cromwell protected him and would not permit the Witnesses to prosecute any further This Holland died within two years after and left Thurla Oliver's Secretary his Executor to oversee what he had left for the use of his Whore and Bastards which being found to be about 2500 l. Oliver seized on the summ and said The Rogue got it under me let his Whore and Bastards shift for themselves And thus ill-gotten Riches perished Doctor Ramsey a Scotch man and one of his Majesties Physitians of Scotland had two Sons A relation of one Ramsey a Jesuit who went under the name of Captain Right and an Officer under Oliver Cromwell one Ramsey a Captain in Oliver Cromwells Army who went under the name of Captain Right the other Son Tho. Ramsey who lately practiced Physick here in Ireland As touching the former he was a Jesuit and went under that name purposely to hide his Function and also to accomplish his Romish policies that he with others of his Popish Crew might hit it in the teeth of those whom these sorts had miss-led and say that it was Protestants and not Papists that murthered their King and fought against him It chanced one day that this Jesuit riding in the head of his Troop that his Father Doctor Ramsey beheld him and being between fear and doubt whether it was his Son or no he enquired of one of his Troopers whom he was they returned answer that it was one Captain Right but his Father having heard how he had taken a Jesuits Function upon him beyond Seas and not suspecting that he had been in the Kingdom went secretly to Cromwell and related the Story to him how he had a Jesuit an Officer in his Army and that his name was Ramsey though he went under the name of Captain Right Upon this description of his Fathers Oliver grants a Warrant and had him apprehended His Quarters being searched where he lay there was found Papers of correspondence with that Society All this being proved this Jesuitical Captain was dismounted to be mounted a step or two higher and so sent to Heaven in a String As for the other Brother A confession of Doctor Tho. Ramsey the other Ramseys Brother and how he reformed Doctor Tho. Ramsey he had been a great Traveller and a great Scholar well vers'd in Physick and an Excellent Linguist yet a rank Papist Some say a Jesuit as his Brother was others say he was only a Lay Brother of that Society which sort are permitted to Marry the better to propagate their Romish Plots and contrivances This Thomas was as I take it twice Married his last Wife yet living he was of a wild and wandring spirit very witty and always merry especially in his cups in which to his company he would disclose several of his mad Pranks Amongst which this was one He being as we have already mentioned a great Linguist went to Oxford where he pretended to be a Jew and there he taught the Hebrew Tongue to several of the Scholars but being suspected to have been an Impostor they thought to have catechiz'd him but he being aware of that left that University and went to Cambridge where he was tract and from thence went to London He lurking disguisedly in this City Mr. Prynne having heard of several of his mad Pranks offered five Pounds to any man that could bring Ramsey unto him the Doctor having intelligence of this design of Mr. Prynnes he one day puts on an outlandish dress on him and over it an old rugged Parsons Gown then coming to Mr. Prynne's House he enquired for him and coming into his presence he spake the Italian Language also the German and Latin pretending unto him that he was a poor Bohemian Priest and had been a Slave in Turkey but was happily redeemed by an English Turkey Merchant then telling of
hath hitherto continued This Narrative the said Nowland himself confessed un William Muschamp Esq now one of his Majesties Commissioners for the farming of his Revenues there who can certifie that this Nowland made his brags how he serv'd the Independants at Plymouth There is yet in Ireland a Clergy-man of the Church of Rome Mr. Andrew Catherwood his Narrative of one Jackson a pretended Saint yet a Romanist one Jackson by name who has Preached as we are informed by our Author for these several years past viz. ann 1668 1669 and 1670. within and about the Counnty and City of Limerick amongst the Nonconformists in those parts This Fox when he began to Preach at Limerick received from those Nonconformists at one time about fourscore Cobbs for a Sermon then Preached unto them after which he invited an acquaintance of his Mr. Andrew Catherwood to a Treat at which time he spent about twenty shillings of this summ the said Mr. Catherwood assuring us who heard him declare these words that this said Jackson was the first that ever brought him to a Bawdy-house within that City The said Mr. Andrew Catherwood doth likewise affirm that this Jackson would often pretend that he had received Letters from Francis Marsh then Bishop of Limerick and would frame these Letters as if they had weekly come from him saying that that Bishop would fain have him to Preach in his Cathedral but it was against his Conscience so to Preach therefore he had rather Preach to his Flock for Charity than to the Bishop for Gain This he framed to cologue with his Followers and would shew these pretended Letters of his to please them Mr. Catherwood also affirmeth that this Jackson would say Mass disguised to the common sort in that County upon week-days and although he seigned this outward Godliness amongst the Dissenters at Limerick that he came up to Dublin and there Preached amongst our Ministers in our Churches and after to cologue with the Dissenters in that City he pretended to them to fall from the Church of England and Preached in the Meetings where as he the said Jackson confessed to Mr. Catherwood he got about 13 l. Sterl collected by the Meeting-houses in Dublin This Jackson was born at Abberdeen in Scotland he is a great Scholar and a Traveller for he hath travelled into France Italy Germany and Spain In Spain he taught a School as being Vsher under a publick Schoolmaster there he still wandreth about this Kingdom of Ireland and was lately seen in the County of Mayo The then Bishop of Limrick Fran. Marsh now Archbishop of Dublin we suppose may have heard of this Impostors pranks already mentioned during the time that his Grace was Bishop of Limrick which if testified would strengthen this Mr. Catherwoods Evidence who declared this above Narrative unto us whose names hereafter follow Robert Ware Esq John Madden Student in Physick of Trinity-Colledge in Dublin and before Pearse Welch being upon the 25th of Feb. 1681. Thus far have we laid before you the practices of Rome devised to divide the Protestant Church of England therefore the dispensations allowed by her Popes and Clergy be many and large as appears by what you have already heard purposely to drive on and set forward her impious Plots she therefore dispenses with her Adherents to take the shape yea even of a member of the Church of England not out of love thereunto but to accomplish her intended purposes For example-sake there was a certain Knight Sir E. L. well known over his Majesties Dominions of England Scotland and Ireland who came into this his Majesties Kingdom of Ireland anno 1670 or thereabouts It is not unknown unto the Inhabitants and Citizens of Dublin that in the year following 1671 upon the one and twentieth of May there hapned a surious fire in his Majesties Castle of Dublin during which flames the Lord John Butler afterwards created Earl of Gowran third Son to his Grace James Duke of Ormond now Lord Lieutenant of the Nation took great care and pains to extinguish the same which had it been trusted unto the said Knight we question whether half the Buildings now there extant would have been seen this day For this Knight under the pretence of saving the rest of the Buildings within that Castle would have blown up the great Hall belonging to this Palace To execute this project the quicker he caused a Barrel of Gunpowder to be placed in the middle of that Hall and so to have dropt a train of Powder and to set fire to the same But this brave spirited Lord coming in at that instant and enquiring why that Barrel was there placed and having heard the project he most couragiously although the flames were over his head lifted up the Barrel of Gunpowder and carried it out on his shoulders saying I approve not of this project When this Fire hapned as is generally reported by several of the Citizens of Dublin that night the water of the City was stopt so that the Castle-pipe had no water but what they were fain to bring in from the Mill-pond in the Stable-yard without the Castle-walls It hath been generally reported that this Knight went secretly to Mass at this time but whether he did or no it was observed that he would walk before the then Lord Lieutenant amongst the Gentry to Church with his Bible publickly under his arm to be seen This posture disguised his Religion which since is discovered although at Church he would seem very zealous turning to the Texts of Scripture as fast as they were quoted by the Minister There is a Learned Doctor Doctor Salls testimony concerning this Knight some years now past who turned unto the Church of England Andrew Sall by name formerly an Ecclesiastick of the Church of Rome who hath affirmed how he had heard formerly when the Lord J. B. went Embassador into France that this Sir E. L. went with that Lord and that the French King being taken with the Knights humors he and that King covenanted together after this manner This Knight was to give intelligence to the French King The Covenants between the French King and this Knight acting under-hand for him making this Proviso for himself that in case he should be discovered and thereby incur the King of Englands displeasure if he fled into France he should be there succoured and the French King there to provide a place for him Several others besides this Divine have heard the same besides what the Letters of News have mentioned to this effect For the perfecting of this Covenant it is visible and known how he hath been accused to be one of the Conspirators in the late Popish Plot anno 1678 for which he was clapt up but afterwards being released upon Bail he fled into France where he is not only succoured to this day but likewise provided for and there preferred to be an Abbot in Paris where several of his Majesties Subjects have seen him ranting
1560 a strict Bull issued out of Pope Pius the 4th commanding all the Learned of the several Orders of that Church to find out proofs and reasons for perswading of Subjects to break their Oaths of Allegiance with their Kings and Princes and to gloss this device the better he dispenced with several of the learnedst of the Franciscans Dominicans and of the Society of Jesus to Preach amongst the Protestants of England nay with some of them to marry saying that the Marriage of England established by the Queen and her Clergy was no Marriage but plain Heresie All these so dispenced were to give monthly intelligence if from France to the chief Cities there if from Spain or from other Territories to those places and for fear any of these should be disswaded from their Orders others were sent to discover them if they found their inclinations so bending before they came to be fully resolved to turn this one Andrew Mr. Gibbons a Scotch Frier assured me who was sent for this purpose and betrayed one John Gyles who was then a recanting at the City of Glocester but Gyles ingeniously confessing all the contrivance and desiring proof might be brought who was his accuser Andrew Mr. Gibbons was summoned to appear and to proceed but Andrew suspecting that himself was catch'd straitly seemed to go but pretending to go into his Lodging for some papers to give the Bayliffs of Glocester went out the back-way and so took Horse and fled into France and came to Paris what became of John Glyes I did not enquire How the Penitents thoughts were when he searched after these writings first and how he altered his opinion after Still being desirous to search after all Indulgences Absolutions and Dispensations for Oaths Allegiance and for Rebellions to strengthen the Church of Rome supposing thereby to have made my self a Fortune and to be esteemed well of by the Clergy and Laity of Rome I for the most part made it my purpose to collect all things of this nature these being some of my Collections Paul the Third granted an Indulgence for Harlots to use their bodies with any men Paul the 3d. his Indulgence for Whoring and Adultery for money and to trade in this Sin as I found by his Bull in the third year of his Papacy granted upon the pretence that the flesh being so unruly a member could not be mortified although several Laws had been made against those evil sins yet the Sin was to be excused with those who could not consist in the state of Chastity provided the man gave a certain fee to the spiritual See and that the woman paid a yearly Revenue also and entred her name in the Registry to pay her fees accordingly which was to be gathered weekly this was pretended to go for the redemption of Slaves and Prisoners of the Roman Religion either with Turk or Heretick Every House or Stewes appointed for this purpose to have an Iron-Trunk or Box fastned in the Wall of these Stewes wherein the party thus inclined was before he could be permitted to take his pleasure to put in his summ through a slit in the said Box And three Testees were to wait on these Houses weekly to take out what summs there were thrown in whereof one third part was for the House the Whores were to have another third part and the See of Rome another third part at this time it being calculated that the Registry contained in Paul the Thirds days 45000 Harlots that paid him Tribute and that by Pius Quintus his Papacy it encreased to the number of 64360 Harlots paying him weekly Tribute and all those who went to any secret Whore were to be excommunicated if they were so catch'd until he had paid seven-fold the rate of the Whore's permitted which was seven Julies so permitted An Indulgence was granted by this Pope for to kill any that followed Luthers opinion The Popes Pardon for killing a Lutheran a thousand years pardon for his Sins besides the honour to be enrolled by the name of Rome's faithful Souldier This Pope Paul by his Bull entred at Paris runs Pope Paul's Indulgence to Rebels c. Englished thus Whereas we find the Hereticks now concord in the Administration of the Sacrament of the body of Jesus We grant full remission of Sins to those our Sons of our Mother Church that shall stop or hinder their union amongst Hereticks We also absolve all Subjects from their Oaths of Allegiance unto their Heretick Kings Princes or States as they be enemies unto the holy See of St. Peter All men from their tye of Matrimony with Heretick Wives or Wives from their Heretical Husbands Also all Children from their Parental obedience either to an Heretick Father or Mother Also We absolve all Parents not giving to their Heretick Children their Benediction or Portion either to give their Estate to the next Catholicks of the Mother Church a-kin to the Family or to give or to dispose of it to any other persons use Paul the Third the Servant of the Servants of Jesus Christ and to Fernesius our Trusty and Faithful Son and Champion for the Holy See of St. Peter the Blessings of the Holy Trinity attend on the Person of our Well-beloved Son Fernesius of St. Peter of St. Paul of the Mother of God The Benediction of the holy Host of Heaven of the Arch-Angels Angels Saints Patriarchs Prophets Apostles and holy Martyrs assist thee and those fighting under thee in our holy Cause Paul the 3d. his Indulgence granted to Fernesius who went to fight against the Protestants in Germany We grant to thee our Son and Faithful Souldier Fernesius a true and plenary Pardon for all thy sins committed or to be committed by thee or any other fighting under thee fighting for the holy Cause of St. Peter our Predecessor of this See of Rome We will and command the Arch-Angels and Angels to carry into Heaven the Souls of those our Souldiers that shall be slain in Battel for our Holy See of Rome fighting in so just a cause immediately upon their Expiration not suffering or enduring the least pain of Purgatory Also an Absolution of sins of one hundred years to all the Children of those dying or being slain in this our holy Cause against the Hereticks and Enemies of our Holy See of St. Peters 4th I de June in the third year of our Pontif. Paulus Tertius Julius the Third continued the Council of Trent Beneventum that Archbishop upholds so doing and we find in the Universities of Paris a piece of a Letter of this Julius written to Casa the Archbishop of Beneventum wherein he returns him thanks and absolves this Bishop for a Book written by this Casa defending the sin of Sodomy Which I do heartily lament that I took not a Copy thereof but can assure that I saw that Letter and the Books name specified therein for Toleration and defence of Sodomy The Jesuits of Paris their opinion
France then coming into the City of Paris I met with several of my Countrey-folks who civily used me At that time I was employed by Ludovic Freake one of the Order of Jesus for to carry over certain papers of Instructions unto Shane ô Neale then stirring in the Province of Ulster which I safely delivered unto him from Father Freake The Contents thereof were to set up his Title which his Ancestors claimed in that Province and not to make any conditions with the English unless it were upon great advantage or in great extremity for France and Scotland should both assist him when he had raised up that Countrey After I had received these Instructions he produced the Bishop of Rome's Bull of Indulgence and liberty unto all those who undertook to succour and assist that Mother-Church of Rome The Contents be as these PIUS the Servant of the Servants of God Pius Quintus his Bull for Anathematizing Protestants that the Undertakers for the advancement of Rome might not scruple any thing when they are indulged c. Whereas we have found and daily find Heresies increasing in several Colonies Principalities Realms and Countreys subject to the sacred See of St. Peter our Predecessor and they falling from and deserting our Jurisdiction with their blasphemous and railing writings against Vs our Ceremonies and Apostolick Jurisdictions and Priviledges granted unto Vs and our Succcessors from God and formerly generally acknowledged by Emperors Kings and Princes to be Ours and our Predecessors due and right We therefore in the Name of the holy Trinity of the Blessed Mother of God the Virgin Mary of St. Peter of St. Paul in the name of the holy Host of Heaven of the Arch-Angels and Angels of the holy Apostles Saints and blessed Martyrs do Anathematize all Hereticks lying trading or travelling in or amongst the same wheresoever dispersed over the face of the whole Earth We further will and authorize the Wise and learned of our Ecclesiasticks expert in divine Science to labour endeavour and devise all manner of devices to be devised to abate asswage and confound those Heresies repugnant to our sacred Laws that thereby these Hereticks might be either recalled to confess their Errors and acknowledge our Jurisdiction of the See of Rome or that a total infamy may be brought upon them and their posterities by a perpetual discord and contention amongst themselves by which means they may either speedily perish by God's wrath or continue in eternal difference to the reproach of Jew Turk Heathen nay to the Devils themselves Given at Rome the 6th I de of May Primo Pontif. Pius Quintus The Copy of this Bull of Indulgence and Commission was translated unto me into English by a learned Pen-man named John Warham Nephew to William Warham some time Archbishop of Canterbury After that I had got a Copy of this Bull Mr. Freake and I discoursed concerning the same because I thought it impossible to overthrow the Protestants unless it were by force of Arms but he replied that it was easy-to do it otherwise Rome's several sorts of Dispensations for to ruine the Church of England by telling me that this Bull dispenced with the Devisor for devising of new Tenents Doctrines and Covenants nay that it dispenced to marry after an Heretical Law provided that the device intended was to promote the advancement of Rome and that Marriage as they performed it was no Marriage but a venial sin Then I made answer In case these men be taken with this kind of life and so totally fall from Rome what will you do then He told me after this manner How Rome gets all her Intelligence and Knowledge secrets of Kings and their Councils to the best of my remembrance that those who undertook to serve the Mother-Church entred their names in the chief Convents of their several Orders and that in their Commissions they have several names three or four in case they be discovered and that when they have intelligence they may fly to another place and still keep correspondence with the Convents I demanded of him which fort had the granting of these Licences He told me that Pope Pius had granted a Commission to the Wisest and most Learned sort of the Orders of St. Dominick St. Francis A demonstration which of these Orders generally be by the Pope Indulged to put false Doctrines amongst us Protestants and of his own Order of the Society of Jesus to keep a general correspondence every quarter at least with the Convents of these Orders which testimonies were to be shewn upon these general Assemblies as signal demonstrations of their fidelity to the Church of Rome I told him that it was worth my journey coming out of Ireland for to travel because I had learned much experience and should be cunning for the future To this he said How Popish Zeal is revenged on the Protestant you see how we be by the Hereticks put to our shifts every day more then other therefore we must try our skill to be even with them I demanded of him what could it avail the Church of Rome to set up so many Heresies seeing that the Devisers dare not openly acknowledge the Church of Rome's Supremacy but be forced to rail at the Pope and at her He replied A pretty Cheat for disguised Papists to rail at Rome and yet be of the Church of Rome when they rail at Rome and their hearts be contrary it is no sin they may mean Rome and name it as it was in the ancient Roman days and also the word Pope for that word in Latin Papa is as much as to say a Bishop so that he may mean one of their Heretick Bishops and that these mental railings advanced the See of Rome and furthered their designs in several respects (a) (a) This shews how Rome by her Phanaticism hindreth uniformity in the Church of England First as it made Heresies and Schisms amongst Hereticks so it hindred uniformity in the Church of England (b) (b) The Papists all plead they can turn Protestants by reason there are so many sorts of them Secondly that it was a great advantage for preventing Roman Catholicks to turn away from their Principles (c) (c) Let Dissenters observe this and how the Papists came to cast the late Plot begun Anno 1678. upon them And lastly when ever the Church of Rome shall have a design to destroy Heresie she will never want intelligence having one or more of these wise men amongst these several sorts of Hereticks Then I asked how shall we be able to know her Majesties secrets and the intents of the Church of England He said A warning for Protestants not to match with Papists or to keep Popish Servants We have also dispenced with that and several of that Church have either a Roman Catholick Wife or the Wife a Roman Catholick Husband or they if both Hereticks perhaps keep Roman Catholick Servants which are