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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A75428	An ansvver to the chief, or materiall heads & passages of the late declaration, called, The declaration of the kingdome of Scotland and ansvver to the commissioners to both Houses of Parliament, upon the new propositions of peace, and the foure bills. Imprimatur, Gilb. Mabbot.		1648 (1648)	Wing A3398; Thomason E421_32; ESTC R204779	19,190	26

content dismist And yet take this That an Army of Presbyters will not have that Antipothy and so not so secure for Presbyterian Government for if a little opposition should come our new Presbyters would choose to read the Common-Prayer book and so assure themselves of the hearts of their Parishioners the force whereof will be full Tythes Oblations and good Chear rather then want these Armies were raised For defence of the Kings Person Authority Religion and Priviledges of Parliament Are any of these so secure as there needs no power to defend them how many days is it since wrong hath been offered to all these And though other nations have need to continue Souldiers yet the sea is Englands and Scotlands bulwarks But there 's no sea about the Presbyterian pulpit the Royalists discontents and sufferings nor between England and Scotland though His Majesty be in an Island and beside there are ships to go between England and Scotland and France and Robert Write saith There are passengers come in them who frequent St. Germans and Fountain-blew And if we study Peace and Vnity between the Kingdoms under the Government of the King we need not fear Enemies abroad The way to it is not to offer to His Majesty a dissent in the name of the Kingdom of Scotland from what the PARLIAMENT of England thinks necessary for their safety and a good and lasting Peace It s a custom in other nations to keep Soldiers to raise money but the people of England and Scotland are a free people and why then should War be made a Trade among them Be assured of it as a truth the Army is so far from continuing onely to raise money that if the Parliament can be without them they will be willing to disband with reasonabler Arrears then you went out of England with and for the Kingdoms being free it will appear at last the Parliament and Army of England will be no inslavers at least of this to their credit and others shame as for war being made a trade it hath not been the custom of this nation nor of yours its true as a trade abroad you know how well Scotland hath driven it and truly to bend both Powers to restore Allies there 's no doubt England will hearken to as readily as Scotland and yet take care to reduce rebellious Ireland besides For a Proposition of Pay of Arrears and disband all in one Why you should so much affect Englands weal therein appears not because you are so opposite to their designs tending to an Accord besides if you mean after an agreement would you have His Majesty restored and forthwith His and His parties words taken that they will conform to all that is agreed and the Parliament have only the name of a Militia Titles of Honor you desire the King may not be hindered from bestowing or conferring it being a chief flower of the Crown But how shall the Parliament and so England be assured that none shall be honored who have not wherewith to maintain it but must put his Majesty upon unjust grounds to maintain that honor and whether his Majesty will not confer honors to the prejudice of the ancient Nobility of England and make so many Lords as may bring honor into disesteem That the Lords house may not be founded so as it will be King-trod against its own and the Kingdoms good For honors in Scotland let him give as many as he will so he gives not as formerly the wealth of England to maintain them And now thus much hath been said it will be no great digression to say That there seems to be reason that there should be no more Scotchmen about His Majesty as servants or preferred in England to any thing that expends the Revenue of England then there are English in Scotland and though there be a necessity that Scotchmen attend His Majesty as in relation to the affairs of Scotland yet there is no reason that Englands Revenue maintain them nor that English honor be bestowed upon them but that they wait what falls in Scotland All expressions of Joynt Interest in these Propositions are left out If the Parliament make them good they do well if nor God will be angry with them for to act against the true Interest of Kingdoms ever proves fatal and hath been the alone cause of the present condition of His Majestie Children and Party But there is left out of the Proposition that which joyntly concerns both and that contrary to agreement viz. That peace should not be made with the King without the consent of Scotland That there is a necessity of treating or debating Joyntly because an agreement is That no Peace shall be concluded but by mutual consent doth not follow The Princes of Christendom have had a long time you know a Treaty at Munster wherein each have treated apart yea and without the privity of other And those who have been in confederacy not to agree to Peace but by Joynt consent for have not each their several business distinct from the other as the French Dutch Sweads Hassians and others all in confederacy Now the Joynt Interest is of several natures and will take his proper place and you have the exceptions as any of the forementioned have but that the Parliament may not treat for their own particulars and forbear the other there 's no question all the question is how far a Joynt Interest obliges for they are alterable as you know well but in regard it is onely charged upon the Parliament to have left it out it may be after assumed The Parliament is obliged as they have declared to Ambassadors to set aside Episcopacy in England and hinder its coming again into Scotland And if they do not wo be to them for if they shall forget what slaves they were to the Lordly power of Prelates and what by that way they suffered and resetle any such like thing it were pity but they should be bored through the ears and so marked for eternal slaves And sure the rooting out of Episcopacy in England is enough alone to make good the Interest increase Union and perpetuate Amity The next blame is laid upon the Army for medling with the matter of Peace and proposals so much disliked and declared against by Parliament As for the Armies medling it was but to put the great wheels off the Scots Axeltrees and having as they conceive fixt them upon English they intend to let them alone hoping the Pins will keep them there but if they should go back its like they will make bold with them again onely with this distinction as Subjects not as Soldiers If the master hath got a cup too much of Scots ale the servant is not to be blamed if he takes him by the arm and leads him until he be recovered again and in his right minde yea though it be with giving a frown or two to those that made him to drink too much As for proposals remember

Newcastle and before Or how come they to be his chief pleaders that were first fighters against him And had not that apprehension frighted he had gone into Scotland and not come this way when he was at Newcastle If they were esteemed enemies that drew him from Parliament What are they that hinder his return They that drew him away were occasions of a war therefore enemies and for that end did it The Parliament to prevent a war are not willing he come untill all is agreed and what is that comming to London What if there were no London cannot the King and Parliament agree Have Kings been so in love with London and Parliaments in times of peace King James counted the one his hell the other his purgatory But the new Propositions the foundation of Peace which concern Religion the interest of the Crown the Vnion and Joynt-concernment of both Kingdoms are not so well stated as in the old For first The Covenant is left out which is a solemn vow by creatures made to God The Covenant was entred into to bring a good peace now to stand upon it is to bring an ill War for the reasons before and because there is a generall adversnesse to the taking it more then against the matter of it It s the opinion of learned Perkins that Jeptha did not sacrifice his daughter but did that which was equivolent and better so may the Parliament The parts of which Covenant are in preservation and reformation of Religion Not the Scots Religion farther then against the common enemy and let any disturb them for it or go about to destroy it England will hazzard life and estate for them and their best blood No better quarrell to fight then when any will destroy others because not of their Religion For Reformation it is to be according to the word of God and best reformed Churches for the word of God that must be as the Parliament conceive for best reformed Churches what have you against that in the Netherlands where many different professions are tollerated Happinesse of the King As he is King of England sure the Parliament of England are as fit judges as the Parliament of Scotland is as he is King of Scotland and therefore may make their lawes for his happinesse as well as they in Scotland and so no need England be in ward to Scotland Peace and safety of the three Kingdomes The best way for that is to destroy and keep under the Common enemy to all and they that consider how the Scots prosecute the war in Ireland now and long since too much favouring the Rebels and at this time upon treaty with them to deliver vvhat they there hold the transactors on the Rebels side being Romish Clergy as by credible Intelligence is certified never having for years marched one foot or made one shot against them and how active with small help the English have been and victorious insomuch that had the Scots done what they could Ireland had in all likelyhood ben conquered by this time which had they as much minde unto as to subdue their enemies in Scotland would have appeared by the like activity and to pretend supplyes from England is idle they having all necessaries about them and growing rich As for England the third kingd how forward they have been al know is mentioned before The King is adverse to the Covenant is our obiection and why then take we so much liberty in other matters of God We take that liberty that in our judgement is according to the minde of God and dare maintain by Argument and Scripture that it is Consonant to both against whomsoever But the Covenant must be kept unto let the King be as adverse as he will because good for King and Kingdomes That is He must not be King of England Scotland or Ireland as to government unlesse he will take the Covenant and where is his reason or what he can say or his Commissioners in a personall Treaty allowed him in this Let an Angell come from heaven and say he must not take it yet unlesse he will he must not govern when they will reason must take place and when they will not then it must not So that what is good for Kingdoms in the opinion of Scotland may be stood upon though his Majesty and England Ireland have never so much reason against it But this must not be understood that his Majestie be kept in prison or wronged Truly for a King to be at liberty and not to governe can be no great content to see a mans wife and not to enjoy her to be hungry and see good food and not permitted to eat it is an unhappinesse rather then an happinesse the King undoubtedly were it put to him would rather choose to end his dayes in the Isle of Wight then to live in any outward contents in London or any of his houses divested of his Government Or that Armies should be kept on foot after the enemy is overcome to burthen the Kingdome or force the King to grant what they please Why keep you an Army on foot in Scotland having no enemy in field can there be no need of an Army to prevent an enemyes rising how many discontents are in England and Scotland what tampering is there between the Crown of France and Scotland at this time how are the people disposed unto insurrection occasioned by their present and future suffering the latter you cannot wash your hands off nor well of the present let England have assurance Scotland will not stirre up nor act new troubles the Parliament will undertake to reduce to as small a number as you shall in Scotland As for the Armies forcing the King to grant what they please its clear his Majestie being Judge the Army hath made as pleasing overtures for him as the Parliament of England or Scotland and for the burthen of England what is it to any other that the owner carryed his cow besides you know England can bear to maintaine an Army as well and as long as Scotland But you expected that when you departed the Army in England should be disbanded You meane the Independent part of it for sure you have not forgot that before the 11 Members went away long an Army of many thousand horse and foot was voted to be a standing Army for this Kingdome and Colonels named Governors of Towns appoynted and had they been of your party no doubt you would have stood for their continuance and excused the burthen and imposing upon his Majesty which now you cry out of but is it in any of the Treaties great or small or in the Covenant that England shall not keep an Army on foot without the approbation of the Commissioners or Kingdome of Scotland And not have taken the King away contrary to his will That he never yet said but if true the Parliament are proper Judges of that offence To whom the Parliament of both Kingdoms were to make