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A48829 A seasonable discourse shewing the necessity of maintaining the established religion, in opposition to popery Lloyd, William, 1627-1717.; Fell, John, 1625-1686. 1673 (1673) Wing L2693; ESTC R20499 20,845 26

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World to believe that every thing of this will be done again when the old Gentleman at Rome is pleased to be angry next has a mind to gratifie a neighbour Prince or wants a portion for a Son or a favour for a Mistris And as it is the Papists of England have but this one excuse for that mortal sin of obedience to their Heretic Prince that they are not strong enough to carry a rebellion And truly 't were great pity these men should be entrusted with more power who give us so many warnings before hand how they are bound to use it But to all this the Roman Catholics have one short reply That they are the most Loyal Subjects of his Majesty and have signally approved their duty by their service and fidelity in the last War To this I say in short that as bad as Popery is I do not think it can eradicate in all its Votaries their natural conscience no Plague was ever so fatal as to leave no Person uninfected that scapt its fury The case is fully stated by King James of famous memory as on one part many honest men seduced with some Errors of Popery may yet remain good and faithful Subjects so on the other part none of those that truly know and believe the whole grounds and School conclusions of their Doctrines can ever prove either good Christians or good Subjects To speak the plain truth and what the insolent boasts of Papists makes necessary to be told them whatever was done then was no trial at all of Loyalty The late Rebels found it necessary for the countenancing their cause to make a loud pretence against Popery and to have the benefit of spoiling them So that the Roman Catholics did not so much give assistance to the King as receive Protection from him When they shall have adher'd to their Prince in spight of the commands of their holy Father the Pope and defended their Sovereign and his Rights when it was not their interest to do it they will have somewhat worth the boasting As the case now stands they had better hold their peace and remember that the Sons of another Church served their King as faithfully as they though they talk less of it But since they will needs have the World know what good Subjects they have been let them take this short account from the Answer to the Apology for the Papists Printed An. 1667. In Ireland there were whole Armies of Irish and English that fought against his Majesty solely upon the account of your Religion In England it is true some came in voluntarily to assist him but many more of you were hunted into his Garrisons by them that knew you would bring him little help and much hatred And of those that fought for him as long as his Fortune stood when that once declined a great part even of them fell from him And from that time forward you that were always all deem'd Cavaliers where were you In all those weak efforts of gasping Loyalty what did you You complied and flattered and gave suggared words to the Rebels then as you do to the Royallists now You addressed your Petitions to the Supreme Authority of this Nation the Parliament of the Common-wealth of England You affirmed that you had generally taken and punctually kept the Engagement You promised that if you might but enjoy your Religion you would be the most quiet and useful Subjects of England You prov'd it in these words The Papists of England would be bound by their own interest the strongest Obligation amongst wise men to live peaceably and thankfully in the private exercise of their Conscience and becoming gainers by such compassions they could not so reasonably be distrusted as the Prelatic Party which were loosers If this be not enough to evidence the singular loyalty of Papists in the late War they may hear a great deal more of their vertue celebrated from their Petitions and public Writings in my Lord Orrerys answer to Peter Welsh his Letter And because in those Writings they are so ready to throw the first stone against the late Regicides they would do well to clear themselves from the guilt of that Sacred bloud which is charged home upon them by the Answerer of Philanax Anglicus who has not yet been controuled for that accusation 5. To this barbarous insolence of Excommunicating and Deposing Kings may succeed the usual consequent of that but greater prodigy of Tyranny the putting whole Nations under Interdict and depriving them of all the Offices and comforts of Religion and that generally without any other provocation than that the Prince has insisted on his just rights or the people performed their necessary duty History is full of instances hereof Within the compass of one Age I mean the eleventh Century almost all the Nations of Europe fell under this Discipline France England Scotland Spain and Germany and some of them several times over and so it has gone down in following Ages The nature of the punishment we may learn from Matthew Paris who describing the Interdict in the days of King John which lasted amongst us for six years three months and fourteen days There ceased throughout England all Ecclesiastical Rites Absolution and the Eucharist to persons in their last Agonies the baptizing of Infants only excepted also the bodies of the dead were drag'd out of Cities and Villages and buried like the Carkasses of Dogs in the high-ways and ditches without any prayers or the Sacerdotal Ministry One would imagine that he who pretends to hold his Empire from the Charter of pasce oves the feeding of Christs Sheep would find himself concerned not to destroy and starve them or withhold from them their spiritual food for almost seven years together an unusual prescript for abstinence in order unto health But we may not wonder at all this for pasce oves with a Roman Comment means all Coercion and Dominion and they who take away the Scriptures and half the Communion from the Layty are not to be controul'd if they also withhold the other offices of piety 6. A farther consideration may be the Laws of the Land which in case of Popery must be content to truckle under the Canon Law and occasional Bulls of his Holiness or Legantine Commissions The proceedings of the Courts in Westminster veiling to Prohibitions and Appeals to Rome against which a Premunire will be a weak fence in bar to the plenitude of the Apostolic Power and to murmur of dispute any thing will be especially to new Converts interpreted Heresie a word of so sharp an importance as not to need a Comment There is a Tradition that heretofore the Gentlemen of the long Robe were in that mean estate as to ply at Westminster Hall Gate as now Watermen do at the Stairs for a Fare let the Practitioners in that noble Profession consider whether some such thing would not in earnest be the consequent of Popery