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A07807	A full satisfaction concerning a double Romish iniquitie; hainous rebellion, and more then heathenish æquiuocation Containing three parts: the two former belong to the reply vpon the Moderate Answerer; the first for confirmation of the discouerie in these two points, treason and æquiuocation: the second is a iustification of Protestants, touching the same points. The third part is a large discourse confuting the reasons and grounds of other priests, both in the case of rebellion, and æquiuocation. Published by authoritie.	Morton, Thomas, 1564-1659.	1606 (1606)	STC 18185; ESTC S112912	216,074	250

adde fiue score moe of your side conspiring in these Positions belonging to conspiracie Thirdly They speake say you of a Prince excommunicate which is not our English case at this present Good Now at this present namely when you writ and yet peraduenture whilest I replie the case is presently altered or at the Popes pleasure may be And is not this a safe case for our Soueraigne trow ye Wherof more in the next Section The most moderate Answerer His Maiestie was not excommunicate before his Election neither is he now but is both elected and setled in his throne both without any contradiction of the Pope and with his Iubet of all obedience and Prohibet of deniall thereof All the Catholikes of this Kingdome applauded it as much as Protestants and his vnion and league with Catholike Princes and people abroad is sufficient Answer that this is a malitious slaunder of holy Priesthood and proueth Catholikes innocent Protestants guiltie and this man an vniust Accuser The Reply If his Maiestie was not excommunicate by the Pope before his Election which you should rather call Succession then was he vniustly that I may so say excommuned by the Pope before his Election but your Superior Garnet confessed that he had receiued two Breues from the Pope to make vse of whensoeuer our late Queene Elizabeth should depart out of this mortalitie The content of those Breues was this that None should be acknowledged King of England but such as was a professed and resolute Catholike Nulli quantâcunque sanguinis propinquitate nitantur that is No other though neuer so nigh in bloud Which Breues he perceiuing the generall applause of people yeelding to the right of Succession according to nearenesse in bloud burnt Thus we see if the Popes power had not bene disappointed by want of force his Maiesty though nearest in bloud might not haue entred but with bloud Now therefore what a case am I in If I shall denie my fonner assertion then your superior Priest Garnet will accuse me for a liar for his Maiesties case was not different from others seeing The Pope gaue contradiction to his succession if I still defend it then your Priestship doth accuse me for a Slanderer of holy Priesthood The very moderate Answerer Because the Pope gaue a Iubet of all obedience and prohibet restraint of disobedience The Reply Yea Iubet of obedience Iubet what is that Euery child can expound it literally to signifie To commaund but by Popish Glosse may happily signifie to forbid for we must not be ignorant of your like glozing in the publike Decrees of Popes Whereas your Canon is Statuimus We decree that is saith your Expositor We abrogate or disallow Is it not as easie for you to turne Iubet to an id est prohibet Howsoeuer we perceiue your subiection stands still vpon the Popes Iubet that as it is recorded of the French If he shall commaund to kill the King you must be his subiects Lastly there is but one of these Authors aboue mentioned who speaketh expresly of the excommunicate and there is not one of them but iudgeth a publike professed Protestant in the state of an Excommunicate To conclude therefore be you admonished not to preiudice your modestie so much as to taxe any for an Vniust Accuser against whom you can shew no iust exception Yet there remaineth two other mysteries to be vnfolded the first is yours the second is your Superiors CHAP. XIIII The new deuice of our moderate Answerer TThere is at this present a great difference betweene the Emperor who is created by the Popes lawes and with his solemnities from whence he receiueth his sword and a King that is absolute and not so created or depending for power or iurisdiction such as our Soueraigne in England for the Emperor is the Popes Minister as saith Molina The Reply We might peraduenture be beholden vnto you for this distinction if we could presume you knew what you said being guiltie herein of a double falshood first to thinke That the Emperor hath no power but from the Pope the second to say you thinke That other Kings haue not any power which is not from the Pope The former is confuted hereafter the other now in this place For your Carerius making vnction by Romish Bishops in Coronation of Kings to be essentiall to royaltie without which they be no Kings saith That this is a doctrine most commonly knowne of all that the Kings of France England Scotland c. were neuer esteemed Kings before their Vnction No more saith your Parsons in the rigor of iustice before Popish Coronation then the Maior of London can be called Maior before his oath Which Vnction whosoeuer shall refuse saith Reinalds can haue no right to gouerne Christians annointed in Baptisme In briefe None is lawfull King or Queene of England saith your Cardinall without the approbation of the See Apostolike All grosly false for first In France saith your Barclay Kings who are to succeed by inheritance are iudged as consecrate and inaugurate before they be solemnely annointed And shall we thinke the French Kings to exceed our English herei● No I haue heard Lawyers say The King of England neuer dyeth I thinke they speake not without booke otherwise Q. Mary could neuer haue iustified her act when she beheaded the Duke of Northumberland some moneths before her Coronation for high treason against her royall person I returne to your argument If the Emperor saith your Carerius who is held more eminent at least in dignitie then any King may be reiected by the Popes then much more other Kings may be punished by the Popes authoritie For he that can tame an Eagle may much more command Hawkes Here we obserue your spirits of contradiction you from comparison of disparitie betweene the Emperor and other Kings would seeme to free Kings and inthral the Emperor your Doctor Carerius from the contrarie disparitie would bring all Kings into subiection But know that howsoeuer now the Eagle be entangled whom you esteeme no better then the Popes vassall yet Non facile Accipitri rete sternitur And that neither Emperor nor King are lawfully subiect to this yoke is afterward made manifest A second new deuice His Maistie is not in the case of Excommunication as other relapsed Protestants because he was borne in that faith which he professeth The Reply And yet the now Henry 4. King of France sucking Protestants doctrine from his nurce was excluded from his birth-right of the Crowne till he was reconciled vnto the Pope And this same father Garnet had a Breue from the Pope to barre our Soueraigne from Succession except he should be found absolutely a Romish Catholike If then the Borne Protestants be free from Excommunication why did the Pope exclude the King of France or by his Breue to you except against the King of England If the case be otherwise

he may iudge depose and kill Herein giuing vs a speciall argument of your singular modestie whereas being ashamed to giue the Pope Direct Soueraigntie ouer Kings haue closely conueyed vnto him the same power by the other tearme called Indirectly It were to be wished you would leaue that subtill modestie and learne honest simplicitie It may be we shall perceiue some dragme thereof in your fourth-ly The moderate Answerer Fourthly the maintainers of this doctrine do not vrge greater indignitie or defend any sentence more offensiue in equall iudgement to any Pralate sheepe or shepheard then to the chiefest Shepheard vnder Christ the Pope himselfe for they all with one consent affirme that in case of heresie now in question he is either actually and really deposed or to be deposed The Canonists do hold that he is ipso facto deposed if he fall into heresie with whom Turrecrem Castr● and others do consent The Reply Wherein I dare appeale to any equall or almost any vnequall iudgement of my greatest aduersaries to determine whether this your answer be not absurdly false in two degrees First Those you say who vrge this opinion of deposing Princes in case of heresie offer no more indignitie to any sheepe then to the chiefe shepheard vnder Christ the Pope and yet in the same Chapter I Answer say you if any man hold that opinion of such power ouer Princes in Popes yet they will pleade it more tolerable in the authoritie of one supreme Pastor in the Church whereof Princes be sheepe c. The argument then of these men as you confesse and is hereafter shewed is this As the shepheard to the sheepe so the Pope to Kings but shepheards haue power ouer sheepe and not sheepe ouer shepheards Ergo Popes may depose Princes and Princes may not remoue Popes This is your Popish and as it is after proued your sheepish conclusion wherein whether there be not offered greater indignitie to Princes then to Popes let the equall Reader iudge Secondly the Authors of the doctrine of deposing of Kings in case of heresie do professe concerning Popes That they cannot possibly be Heretikes as Popes and consequently cannot be deposed Not saith Bellarmine by any power whether Ecclesiasticall or temporall no not by all Bishops assembled in a Councell Not though saith Carerius he should do any thing preiudiciall to the vniuersall stat● of the Church Not though saith Azorius he should neglect the Canons Ecclesiasticall or peruert the lawes of Kings Not though saith your Gratianus Glosse he should carrie infinite multitudes of soules headlong with him into hell And these forenamed Authors do auouch for the confirmation of this doctrine the vniuersall consent of Romish Diuines and Canonists for the space of an hundred yeares Whether therefore to affirme that Kings may be Heretikes and for that cause deposed and that Popes cannot be deposed because as Popes they cannot be Heretikes be equall indignitie to Popes and Kings let if you will your vnequall Reader iudge And now not to stand vpon other transparent absurdities of these Authors your modestie is to be put in mind not to appeale vnto equall iudgement in that wherein you manifest your totall eclypse of iudgement Hitherto haue we disputed of the power of people and of the Pope considered as it were intensiuely Now we approach to examine both of them in their extent and execution CHAP. XIII The Discouerie in the third Reason WHosoeuer vpon any pretended supremacie whether of Pope or people do denie the necessarie right of Election or of succession of Protestant Princes are to be holden amongst all Protestants seditious But all Popish Priests do vtterly abolish the title of Succession in all Protestant Princes by pretended prerogatiue of Pope and people Ergo The Minor proued by their Positions In Election 1. The Romish Cardinall There is no election whether of King or Emperor of any force if he that is elect such as they esteeme all Protestants be excommunicate In Succession Reinalds The right of Kings Christian must depend rather vpon their Religion then vpon order of Succession and therefore all Christians are bound to cut off all hope lest that any such speaking of Protestants may aspire to the throne Otherwise saith Stapleton what do people else but euen preferre man before God Hereupon doth Simancha conclude that The Kingdome of an Heretike departed doth lineally descend vpon his sonne but if the sonne in the race Royall be hereticall the Catholike Common-weale may chuse him a Prince but if also the Kingdome be hereticall then the choice of the King belongeth to the Pope and so the Kingdome may be taken by Catholikes And lest peraduenture any should consent to the lawfull Succession father Parsons doth pronounce sentence Whosoeuer shall consent to the succession of a Protestant is a most grie●ous and damnable sinner Thus farre of the Position Now behold their Practise 1. In France Reinalds doth forewarne the French Will you proclaime Nauarre a Caluinist King of Fraunce What is this else then to aduance a dogge to be Soueraigne ouer men Shall Catholikes pray God saue that King whom they may not admit into their houses For suppose saith Father Creswell that he professe to bring in a more sound Religion what is this to the purpose he is bound to defend the Romish faith From France we will returne home where father Parsons busieth himselfe to disable the title of Succession of our most dread Soueraigne King Iames with intent to aduance the Infanta of Spaine thereunto Thus much of Successors now of Possessors The moderate Answerer Let all be true which he citeth and that they so teach yet if fiue particular men could make a generall Councell and their sentence be tearmed a publike Position yet they speake onely of a Prince excommunicate before his Election which case is not now in rerum natura much lesse in England as this vniust Accuser would proue The Reply Vniust not so your selfe will acquit me I haue instanced in sixe of your Priests and Iesuites whereof foure be our owne countrimen and therefore by your owne iudgement Best able to iudge of our country cause And you answer Let all be true which he citeth when you could not answer that one testimonie was vntrue Secondly you start backe If say you fiue particular men could make a Councell or their sentences be tearmed a publike Position as if we may not rather vnderstand your publike Positions by these fiue your best learned Clearkes then by onely you who by that your Yet if would onely seeme to take exception vnto fiue and bring instance to the contrarie from none In all which you testifie that I am not an vniust Accuser but that you are now an idle Disputer But if these fiue should be thought priuate whose bookes are priuiledged with the most publike and ordinarie approbation of your Church I could