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An answer to a libell written by D. Cosens against the great Generall councell of Laterane under Pope Innocent the Third wherein the many and great errors of the said D. Cosens are manifested to the world / by Thomas Vane.
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Vane, Thomas, fl. 1652.
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Wing V81; ESTC R24166
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