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A13160 A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c. Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel. 1602 (1602) STC 23454; ESTC S117867 337,059 440

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those that haue beene destroyed by this change of religion A most shamelesse and palpable vntruth For not religion or any alteration therein but the malice of the Pope and wicked practises of Iesuites and there consorts haue caused most of these troubles The rest haue happened vpon other accidentes By the Popes secret practises and Charles the 9. his great disloyalty many thousandes of innocentes were massacred in France the yeare of our Lord 1572. by the working of Claude Matthieu a Iesuite and others his consortes that league was made which brought infinit calamities to the people and kingedome of France Paule the third stirred vp warres against the princes of Germany P●us the fift was the firebrand that inflamed the Northren rebellion in England Sanders the Popes legat was the originall cause of the destruction of the earle of Desmond And happie had the late Quéene of Scots beene if shée had not béene to credulous to beléeue Sammier and other seditions Iesuites entisinge words and promises the attempt of Spaniardes against England anno 1588 was set forward by Frier Sixtus quintus at the solicitation of Robert Parsons and his fellowes albeit here he would gladly discharge himselfe and lay the fault vpon others the Iesuites were the causes of the destruction of the Duke of Guise of Henry the french King that was murdered by Iames Clement of the Duke of Parma of the discontentment of the Prince of Transiluania neither was the losse of Sebastian King of Portugal of his whole army his estate to be ascribed to any other thē to the wicked counsaile of the Iesuites which gouerned him wholy and drue him into that action they haue also brought the King to Poland in danger to loose his kingdome of Suethland and caused the ouerthrow of Ferdinand of Croatia by the Turkes and finally both haue they ruined as many as haue harkened to their turbulent counsels and will they ruine as many as will be guided by them And this is not only proued by experience but also testified by diuers records and bookes in England and France of late set out by men of their owne religion The diuisions certes which they haue caused in the emperors army in Hungary haue wrought many calamities to christendome falsification 5 In the same encounter he saith that before the late alteration of religion there was one forme of seruice one number of Sacraments one tongue one Sacrifice one heade of the Church throughout all christendome but in my reply pag. 19. I haue shewed that this shorte sentence containeth the truth haue respected temporal commodity or as if we did not vrge them with the truth of apostolicall doctrine and the ancient christian faith falsification 38 In the preface of his directory fol. 13. p. 2 he saith that S. Ambrose S. Augustine S. Gregory S. Bernard perswade men by their examples to be afraid of purgatory A fourfold lye for neither did S. Ambrose nor any of the rest speake of a purgatory wherein christians did satisfie for the temporall punishment of sins remitted in earth nor did they beléeue any such purgatory Whatsoeuer they held of another purgatory viz. for veniall sinnes yet false it is that they perswaded men to be afraid of it by their examples falsification 39 In his directory lib. 1. p. 42. he saith that the world knoweth that Socrates was put to death for i●sting at the multitude of gods among the gentiles a matter which the world knoweth to be a lie and is refuted by Plato al that write of his death falsification 40 In the same place he saith Plato was wont to report of Zeno the stoike that he should say that either there was one God or no God but the record of the report will not be found Further if Plato liued before Zeno it was not like that he should prophecy what Zeno would say These lyes certes being the grounds of Parsons proofes where he goeth about to shew that there is a God are rather like to make a gentile or heathen mā obstinate then to make him beléeue in one God falsification 41 Pag. 174. he telleth that the number of infants slaine at Bethlehem was 14. thousand and this he goeth about to proue by the greeke calendar and the liturgy of the Aethiopians but such fables as he bringeth doe rather discredit christian religion then prooue it We beléeue that Herod killed the yoong children in Bethlehem and thereabouts but so many as 14. M. could not be found in that quarter as is very likely falsification 42 Pag. 269. he saith that Philo the Iew doth set forth strange things in the life and exercises of S. Marke and of his disciples that liued in Alexandria But if Philo in his booke de vit contēplat do neither speake of S. Marke nor his disciples in Alexandria I hope that Parsons disciples will be ashamed of their masters ignorance and confesse that he hath lyed It were an easie matter to set downe infinit lyes of this lying compagnion whoe without lying is not able to speak any thing as his consorts the seculer priests say but when he hath cleared himselfe of these he shall haue twise so many more obiected against him and drawne out of his simple writings In the meane while it may appeare that neither he nor his disciple Owlyglasse had any great reason to challenge the combat of vs for falsifications and lyes CHAP. XI That Owlyglasse himselfe hath falsified diuers authors and allegations in his little lewd Pamplet wherein he chargeth others with falsifications IS it possible thinke you to worke somewhat out of nothing certes no. Strange therefore it may seeme vnto you that I endeuour out of this small Pamphlet that is as nothing to make something Yet if you please to consider the particulers ensuing you shall finde that in this trifling discourse of the woodden detector wherein he hath shewed neither witte learning nor honesty nor any good thing that there are diuers points contained that may conuince him both to bee a falsary and a false lying compagnion falsification 1 Out of Origen pag. 11. c. 2. he citeth these words qui renascitur debet sale saliri Homil. 6. in Ezech. But the fathers words are these oportet ergo eum qui renascitur vtique in Christo renascentem rationabile sincerum lac desiderare prius quam rationabile sine dolo lac desideret debet sale saliri pannorum inuolucris colligari ne dicatur ad eum sale non es salitus pannis non es inuolutus So then by this it appeareth that he cutteth away the words in the midst and leaueth out the words in the end of the sentence and the maliciously to serue his purpose for otherwise it would haue appeared that Oregin spoke allegorically or that al children and others that are to be baptized must as well drinke milke and be lapped in cloutes as salted or touched with salt falsification 2 In his preface he abuseth
most lawfull e Theodorick Niem lib. 2. de schismae 36. Vrbane the sixth vpon pretence of a conspiracy against himselfe put diuers of his cardinals to death and proceeded with all rigour against such as were but a little suspected of practising against him neither did his aduersarie Clement vse a milder course against such as were taken practising against his faction f Iouio in vita de Leon. 10. Leo the tenth spared not Cardinall Petrucci but put him to death most cruelly for vttering some words tending to the alteration of the state of Siena although that city was no part of his dominions but onely recommended vnto him finally Clement the fift by the aide of the French king abolished the whole order of the Templars and of late the whole order of the Humiliati was suppressed and dissolued and diuers of them executed to death for a practise against the state of the Romish church and shall the Romish church and her agents be suffered without punnishment to practise against this state or can any reasonable or indifferent man iustly finde fault with the execution of such persons as haue bene taken practising the very aduersaries I thinke albeit very bold yet will not be so impudent to affirme it for hetherto their pleading hath bene that the massepriests and other Romanists are cleare from such practises Let vs sée therefore whether they speake truly or no. and albeit we should greatly wrong the state if we should dispute this point as a matter doubtfull yet let vs I say briefely touch it for satisfaction of the ignorant especially such as are strangers and vnacquainted with the triall of such priests friers and other the popes agents as haue bene executed in England as offending in cases of treason I say then that no one priest Iesuit or other papist in England hath beene executed for treason but he hath bene found guilty of practising against her Maiestie and the state or at the least aiding and assisting and intertaining of such practisers and seditious persons and that diuers of them haue either stood armed against the state in open rebellion or else ioined with the rebells and assisted them to their vttermost power and meanes and this appeareth first by faculties granted to Thomas Harding about the yeere 1567. for the reconciliation of the people to the pope and for the disturning of them from their obedience to the Prince for whatsoeuer the pretence was the end was sedition and rebellion he being appointed for nothing else but to be a forerunner of that filthy friers Impius Quintus his excommunication against the Queene secondly it is proued by the rebellion in the north anno 1569. which was stirred vp by one Nicholas Morton and other seditious priests thirdly by the rebellion and treason of the duke of Norfolke stirred vp by the pope as appeareth by the report of Hierome Catena in the life of Pius Quintus fourthly by the erection of two seminaries of treason the one erected at Doway anno 1569. and another at Rome anno 1579. or thereabout which were receptacles of such scattered and lost priests as had bene in rebellion and open schooles to teach treason to malcontent papists fiftly by the rebellion of the earle of Desmond in Ireland raised by the solicitation of Sanders the popes legat and set forward by diuers seditious priests and friers and other malcontents sixthly by the faculties of Parsons and Campian and their companions which came to make a way for the execution of the Popes bull seuenthly by the iudgement of Sanders and Bristow who commend these rebels and put them into the catalogue of martyrs Sanders in his 7. booke of his visible monarchy saith that the purpose of the earles of Westmerland and Northumberland and their followers in the northren rebellion was to bee praised albeit they had no succcesse nobilium illorum laudanda erant consilia he doth also call the rebellion pium institutum fidei confessionem that is a godly and deuout resolution and a plaine confession of the Romish faith neither doeth hée esteeme of them that were executed for that rebellion otherwise then of holy martyrs Bristow likewise in his fiftéenth motiue putteth the earle of Northumberland the two Nortons and two massing priestes called Woodhouse and Plomptree and others that were executed as principall actors in that rebellion in the catalogue of martyrs for now the pope doeth account rebellion for his cause good religion and celebrateth the memory of traitors for martyrs an eight argument is ministred vnto vs by the most scandalous and traitorous libell set out by Allen and printed not without the helpe of Parsons they say and other English traitors wherein they by all the meanes they can deuise doe exhort her Maiesties subiects in England and Ireland to take armes against her to seaze vpon her person and to deliuer her into the hands of her enemies they endeuour also to perswade them to forsake their allegeance and to ioine with forreine enemies The 9. argument may be drawne from the practise of Charles Paget with the earle of Northumberland anno domini 1583. that by all meanes solicited him to reuolt and to ioine with the French against the State The 10. is ministred vnto vs by the treacherous plot of Parsons and Hesket to draw in Ferdinand the late earle of Darby into action The 11. is grounded vpon the insurrection of Tyrone and the rest of that rascall rout stirred vp by Monford a priest yet lurking in England and diuers other seditious agents of the pope The last is that dangerous attempt of the late earle of Essexe which maketh my heart to bléed in respect of some priuate causes as oft as I remember it and moueth many to woonder that he should be made an instrument by these firebrands of sedition to set vp that religion which I thinke he neuer loued and my arguments are prooued good for that no one of those that haue béene executed for the popes cause can be named but either he was an agent in some of these practises or allowed them or were priuy vnto them nay I doe beléeue that if the question were asked of any Iesuit or Iesuited priest or any of their adherents he would not disallow the popes act or the acts of his agents in stirring vp rebellion in England and Ireland especially for matter of religion what others would doe I know not but hitherto we finde that they speake honorably of Card. Allen as of their foster father yet was he the most notorious and seditious traitor that euer this land bred Robert Parsons onely excepted that Parsons and Campian knew of a rebellion or change intended it is apparent by their petition to the pope wherein they doe onely prouide for their consorts rebus sic stantibus that is so long as the state of things did continue in termes as then it stood a certeine g Quod lib. 9. art 10. secular priest affirmeth that no
not to frequent their company Salomon though a wise prince was seduced by his idolatrous wiues and Iosaphat hardly escaped danger accompanying and assisting the idolatrous king Achab observation 4 If all that adhere to forrein enemies and refuse to acknowledge the princes right and authoritie and that séeme rather willing and ready to take part with forrein enemies then to stand in defence of their prince and country be no otherwise to be accounted of then as traitors and publicke enemies then are all true subiects to deale against massepriests and their adherents as disloyall traitors and wicked enemies of their prince and country for princes cannot subsist vnlesse they maintaine their authority and lawes nor can subiects liue safe hauing this viperous generation dispersed in euery corner In ancient time treason was accounted the greatest crime that could be committed in matters of state and most seuerely and extraordinarily was the same punished at this day neither will the Spaniard nor French nor the Italian princes endure any subiect that shall either deny his authority or adhere to forrein enemies albeit they pretend religion neuer so much naturally euery man is bound to defend himselfe but the prince is not onely bound by the lawes of nature to looke to his owne safetie but also by the lawes of state for that many mens safety and estates doe depend vpon him as for those that feare or deferre to take a course with traitors they are either stupide or else pusillanimous The Iesuits and their adherents will I know deny themselues to be traitors so they will also deny the Sunne to shine pro bono societatis as they terme it and for their cacolicke cause but I haue by arguments conuinced them to be traitors and if they answere not categorically and directly and without all equiuocations they will by their owne silence prooue themselues to be traitors and for the manifestation of their leud disposition I would pray Robert Parsons or his schollar Garnet or Philip woodward that is so busie or any of the combination of the archipresbiteriall congregation of traitors to answere me directly to these questions ensuing First whether they beléeue the pope by his sentence procéeding without error against the Queene and declaring her to be deposed that they are still to acknowledge her to be lawfull Quéene or no and to obay her notwithstanding the popes commandement Secondly whether in that case the Pope commanding them to take armes against her Maiestie they ought not to doe it and are excommunicate and damned like dogges if the pope commande them to doe it vpon paine of his curse and they refuse it Thirdly whether in that case they will not perswade all papists to take armes against her Maiestie and whether themselues will not concurre with them if the pope excommunicate all that refuse 4 Whether they do not beléeue that the pope hath power to take her Maiesties crowne from her head 5 Whether he hath power to dispence with the subiects othes of allegiance and to command them to rebell 6 Whether they thinke her Maiesty can be deposed without violence offered to her Maiesties person and life 7 Whether the pope commanding them they would not deliuer her into the hands of her enemies or kill her as Allen in his traiterous exhortation to the nobility and people of England and Ireland went about to perswade them 8 Whether they thinke it not lawfull so to doe 9 Whether the Spaniards or other forrein enemies comming to execute the popes sentence against the Quéene they would fight against them displaying the Popes banner and publishing the popes lawfull sentence as they suppose against the Quéene or take part with them 10 Whether all are not excommunicate that disobey the popes sentence or contumaciously stand against him it being not knowen but that he hath procéeded iustly nor they hauing power to dispute of his doings or to determine against him 11 Whether they will allow the fact of the erles of Westmerland and Northumberland that rebelled in England of Sanders and the Earle of Desmond that rebelled in Ireland and such like rebells or not 12 Whether they beléeue that Allen Sanders Bristow Parsons and such as allow such facts of treasons be not traitors and haue published trecherous doctrine 13 Whether they doe take themselues bound in conscience to follow the popes sentences and decrées in deposing of princes and bestowing of kingdomes vpon strangers when hée shall command them vpon paine of his curse 14 Whether they purpose not to mainteine the Infantaes title if the pope doe so command them or other prince that he shall set vp against her Maiestie 15 Whether they haue not receiued the popes breeues and enterteined intelligence with him and his agents and whether they haue not receiued pensions and money out of Spaine and thinke it lawfull so to doe and whether they haue not taken an oth for the Spanish Infantaes title nor brought any notes of their faction out of Spaine and Italie as for example medalles graines reliques agnus Dei pictures crosses faculties and such like 16 Whether hereafter they do not meane to enterteine intelligence with the Pope and Spaniard and their agents and to acknowledge the pope for their superior All which if they answere not they must néeds confesse themselues worthy to be expulsed out of this land and sent backe to the Pope and Spaniard if no worse for thereby they declare themselues friends to them and enemies to their countrey observation 5 If it be a matter very equall that euery man should be iudged by such lawes as themselues practise against others as is apparent by the law Si quis ff quod quisque iuris c. then haue the Romanists no reason to require any fauour at the hands of our superiours They put true Christians to death without all remission if they renounce not the true Christian faith and those that are said to deale most mercifully with them as some popish princes and prelates in Germany yet do they banish all such as they suspect not to hold popish religion Why then do not papists acknowledge the great fauor shewed to them by the state when such notorious idolaters and hereticks are not serued as they serue others and why doe these seditious malcontents exclaime against her Maiesties late proclamation and the state that giueth such traitors and le●d practisers so faire warning to be packing They pardon none that commit treason in Rome or Spaine Why then should it be more lawfull for Iesuites and factious masse priests to commit treason in England is not our countrey as deare to vs as Rome or Spaine to them They account it a matter very absurd for any to dispute whether the Italian or Spanish lawes concerning treason be iust or no and whether they be to be executed or not and such prisoners as should except against lawes abroad would be laughed to scorne Why then should Parsons and Allen and their traitorous consorts be