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A84661 The French Lucian made English; By J.D. Esq; Nouveaux dialogues des morts. Part 1. English. Fontenelle, M. de (Bernard Le Bovier), 1657-1757.; Dryden, John, 1631-1700, attibuted name.; Davies, John, 1625-1693, attributed name. 1693 (1693) Wing F1412C; ESTC R202364 37,387 157

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other men call themselves wise persons Cab. Ah! What is it you say All men point at one another with their finger and Nature has very judiciously setled that Order The Solitary Man laughs at the Courtier but to be even with him he goes not to trouble him at Court The Courtier laughs at the Solitary Man but he lets him alone in quiet in his retirement If there were ever a side to be taken that were known to be the only reasonable side every one would embrace that side and there would be too much crowding it is better to be divided into several little Troops that embroil not one another because some laugh at what the other do Brand. As dead as you are I find you are a great fool with a●● your Arguments you are not well recovered yet of the Drenc● was given you Cab. And this is the Idea whic● a fool must always conceive of another True Wisdom would too much singularize those enjo●ed her but the Opinion of Wi●dom renders all men equal a●● does no less satisfie them The Fifth Dialogue Agnes Sorel Roxelana Agnes Sorel TO tell you the truth I do not understand your Turkish Gallantry The Beauties of the Seraglio have a Lover that need only say My Will is so they never taste of the pleasure of Resistance and they never afford him the pleasure of Victory that is to say that the Sultans and their Sultanesses do never enjoy the delights of Love Roxelana What will you have the Turkish Emperors who are strangely jealous of their Authority have upon Reasons of Policy neglected those so refined delights of Love They were afraid that such Beauties as did not absolutely depend upon them would assume too great a power over their mind and meddle too much with Affairs Agnes Sorel Why well How know they whether it would be a misfortune Love is often good for many things and I that speak to you if I had not been Mistress to a King of France and if I had not had a great power over him I know not whereabouts France would have been by this time Have you heard in what a desperate condition our Affairs were in under Charles the Seventh and into what a plight the whole Kingdom was reduced the English being almost Masters of it all Roxelana I have as this History has made a great noise I know that a certain Maid did preserve France You are then the Maid And how were you the same time Mistress to the King Agnes Sorel You mistake your self I have no concern with the Maid you have been told of The King of whom I was beloved had a mind to leave his Kingdom to Strangers that were Usurpers and go and hide himself in a Country full of Mountains whither I should not have been very well contented to follow him I bethought my self of a Stratagem to divert him from this design I sent for an Astronomer whom I dealt withal under-hand and after he had made a shew of studying my Nativity he told me one day in presence of Charles the Seventh that all the Planets were Cheats or I should inspire a passion of long continuance into a great King I presently said to Charles You will not take it ill then Sir that I go over to the Court of England for you will be no longer King and you have not loved me long enough to fulfil my destiny His fear of losing me made him resolve to be King of the French and he began at that very time to re-establish himself Behold how much France is obliged to Love and how gallant that Kingdom ough● to be though it were but by way of acknowledgment Roxelana 'T is true But ● must to my Maid again Wha● did she do then Could History be so much mistaken as to attribute to a young Country Mai● that which did belong to a Cour● Lady the King's Mistress Agnes Sorel If History should ●e so far mistaken it would be ●o great wonder Yet 't is most certain that the Maid did highly encourage the Soldiers but I had ●efore-hand animated the King She was a great help to this Prince whom she found ready to engage with the English but had it not been for me she would not have found him in that posture In short you will no farther question the share I have in that great Affair when you shall know the testimony which was given in my behalf in this by one of Charles the Seventh's Successors in this Quatrine Gentle Agnes more Honour is thy due The Cause being France for to rescue Then what in a Cloister can be done By devout Hermit or enclosed Nun. What say you to it Roxelana You will own that if I had been a Sultanness like you and had not had a Right to threaten Charles the Seventh as I did he had been undone Roxelana I wonder at the vanity you take in this petty Action You had no difficulty to gain very much upon the mind of a Lover you that were free and your own Mistress but I as much a Slave as I was I did for all that make the Sultan submit unto me You made Charles the Seventh King almost against his Will and I made Soliman my Husband in spight of himself Agnes Sorel But how They say the Sultans never marry Roxelana I grant it However I was resolved to marry Soliman though I could not bring him to it out of hopes of an happiness which he had not as yet obtained I will tell you a stratagem that goes beyond yours I began to build Temples and to do several other works of Piety after which I made shew of a deep Melancholy The Sultan asked me the reason of it a thousand and a thousand times and when I had made as much a do as was necessary I told him that the cause of my trouble was because all my good Actions as our Doctors had told me did me no good and that as I was a Slave I did but labour sor Soliman my Lord. Hereupon Soliman made me free to the end that the Merit of my good Actions might redound to my own self But when he had a mind to live with me as formerly and treat me like a Beauty of the Seraglio I made as if I were much surprised and represented unto him in a very serious manner that he had no Right over the Person of a free Woman Soliman had a tender Conscience he went to a Doctor of the Law with whom I did deal under-hand to consult about this Case His Answer was that Soliman should beware of pretending any thing over me who was no more his Slave and that unless he did marry me I could be no longer his Now he is more in Love than ever He had but one Choice to make but a very extraordinary one and dangerous to boot for a Sultan However he made it and married me Agnes Sorel I must confess 't is a brave thing to make those submit who do so fore-arm
is pretty reasonable that our Names should die too they are of no better quality then we DIALOGUES OF SOME Modern Dead The First Dialogue Anne of Britany Mary of England Anne of Britany FOR certain my death did you a great kindness you immediately upon it crossed the Sea to go and marry Lewis XII and seize upon the Throne which I left empty for you But you enjoyed it but a while and I was revenged of you by means of your youth and beauty which rendred you too too lovely in the King's eye and with overmuch facility did comfort him in his loss of me for they hastned his death and hindred you from being Queen long Mary of England Truly Royalty did but just shew it self to me and presently disappeared Anne of Brit. And after this you became Dutchess of Suffolk A fair fall For my part Heaven be thanked I have had another destiny When Charles VIII died I did not lose my place by his death and I married his Successor which is an example of a very singular happiness Mary of Engl. Would you believe me if I did tell you that I never bore you any grudge for that happiness Anne of Brit. No. I apprehend too well what it is to be Dutchess of Suffolk having first been Queen of France Mary of Engl. But I loved the Duke of Suffolk Anne of Brit. That 's nothing After one has once tasted the sweetness of Royalty is it possible to relish any other Mary of Engl. It is provided they be of love I do assure you that you ought not to wish me il● for having succeeded you If al● along I could have disposed o● my self I should have been but ● Dutchess and I made a speed● return into England to take upo● me that Title so soon as ever I wa● discharged of that of Queen Anne of Brit. Were you so lo● minded Mary of Engl. Ambition I mus● confess was of no concern to me Nature has made some plain pleasures for men such as are easie and quiet and their imagination makes them some that are intricate uncertain and hard to come by but Nature is more dexterous in creating them pleasures than they are themselves Why do not they commit that charge to her She invented Love which is very pleasing and they have invented Ambition which was needless Anne of Brit. Who tells you that men did invent Ambition Nature is no less busie in inspiring desires of elevation and commanding than she is in working an inclination in men to love Mary of Engl. Ambition may be easily known to be a work of the imagination she is the very form of it she is restless full of chymerical projects she has no sooner attained her desires but she out-goes them again She aims still at a mark she never hits Anne of Brit. And unluckily Love has a mark which he hits but too soon Mary of Engl. That which ensues hereupon is that one may oftentimes be happy through Love and one can be so but once through Ambition or if it be possible to be s● at least those kind of pleasures are made for no great number of persons and consequently Nature does not propose them to Men for her favours are always very general Consider Love 't is made for every one None but such as do seek out their happiness in a state too elevated do think that Nature has grudged them the sweet delights of Love A King who can make himself sure of an hundred thousand Arms cannot perhaps make himself sure of one heart He knows not whether that which a man does for another person be not done out of a point of Honour His Royalty deprives him of the sincerest and the sweetest pleasures Anne of Brit. You do not render Kings much the more unhappy by this inconvenience you find out in their condition When a man sees his Will not only fulfilled but prevented an infinite number of Fortunes depending upon a word which he may utter when he pleases so many cares such a multitude of designs so much eagerness such an application to please whereof he is the only object truly it is a comfort to a man not to know exactly whether he be loved for his degrees sake or for his person's sake The pleasures of Ambition say you are designed for too few what you charge them with as a fault is their greatest charm In point of good luck Exception flatters and such as reign are excepted with so much advantage from the condition of other men that though they should lose something of the pleasures which are common to all the world they would still have more than they would desire Mary of Engl. Ah! judge of their loss by the sensibility wherewith they receive those sincere and common pleasures when any present themselves Hear what a Princess of my own Blood told me here the other day who has reigned in England both very long and very happily and without an Husband too She gave her first Audience to some Dutch Ambassadors who had in their Retinue an handsome young man So soon as he saw the Queen he turned himself towards some that were near him and spoke something to them softly but with a Countenance that made her guess pretty well what he said for Women are endued with an admirable instinct Those three or four words of this young Dutch-man whieh she had not heard remained more in her mind than the whole speech of the Am●assadors and as soon as they were gone she would needs satisfie her self in what she had imagi●ed She asked those to whom this ●oung man had spoken what he had said to them They made her ●nswer with great respect that it was what they did not dare to tell ●gain to so great a Queen and ●orbore telling it a long time In ●ine when she made use of her ●bsolute Authority she was told ●hat the Dutch-man had said in a low voice Ah! this is an handsome Woman and had added some grosser expression but brisk to shew that he liked her They made the relation hereof with great apprehension however nothing happened upon it saving only that when she dismissed the Ambassadors she made a considerable Present to the young Dutch-man See how among all these pleasures of Greatness and Royalty this of being thought handsom● did touch her to the quick Anne of Brit. But in fine she would not have purchased it with the loss of the other Any thing that is too downright is not fo● Man's turn It is not sufficient th● pleasures do take with sweetness they must agitate and transport ● man How comes it to pass tha● the Pastoral life such as the Poet● describe it had never any Being but in their works and would not be liked of if put in practice It is too sweet and too too plain Mary of Engl. I confess men have spoiled all But how happens it that the sight of the most Majestical and most pompous Court in the World