any person detaining his tithes and offerings the Hospitall of S. Leonards in Yorke of the Kings foundation and Patronage endowed of a thrave â—ospital of S. Leonard 1 2. h. 6. c 2 of Corne to bee taken yearely of every plough earing within the Counties of Yorke Comberland Westmerland and Lancaster having no sufficient or convenable remedie at the Common Law against such as with-held the same thraves it was ordained by the King in Parliament that the Master of the said Hospital and his successors might have action by writ or plaints of debt or detaine at their pleasure against all and every of them that detained the same thraves for to recover the same thraves with their dammages And by the Statute of 32. H. 8. c. 4. it is enacted That the Parsons and Curates of five Parish Churches whereinto the Towne of Royson did extend it self and every of them and the successors of every of them shall have their remedie by authoritie of that act to sue demand ask and recover in the kings Court of Chancerie the tythes of corn hay wooll lamb and calfe subtracted or denyed to be paid by any person or persons Againe Vicars Parsons or improprietaries do impleade any man in the Ecclesiasticall Court for tythes of wood being of the age of twenty years or above for tyth-hay out of a medow for the which time out of mind and memorie of man there hath only some Meade-silver beene paid or if a debate hang in a spirituall Court for the right of tythes having his originall from the right of Patronage and the quantity of the same tythes do passe the fourth part of the value of the benefice a prohibition in all these and sundry other cases doth lie and the matters are to bee tried and examined in the Kings Courts according to the course of the Common Law unlesse upon just cause there bee granted a consultation And if in these cases in maintenance of the Common Law the defendants have reliefe in the Kings Courts I thinke it more meet to leave it to the consideration rather of common than to the judgement of Canon Lawyers to determine what alteration the Common Law could sustaine in case if plaintiffes as well as some defendants might pray the Kings aide for the recoverie of tythes especially seeing at this day the manner of paying tythes in England for the most part is now limited by the common and statute lawes of the Realm and not by any forraigne canon law But there is some fact Object happily so difficile so secret and so misticall in these causes of tythes as the same cannot without a very great alteration of the Common law Answer be so much as opened before a lay judge or of the hidden knowledge whereof the Kings temporall Judges are not capable Why then let us What facts touching the upholding of tyths are examinable in the Ecclesiasticall courts see of what nature that inextricable fact may be I have perused many libels made and exhibited before the Ecclesiasticall Judges yea and I have read them over and over and yet for ground of complaint did I never perceive any other materiall and principall kinde of fact examinable in those Courts but only such as follow First that the partie agent is either Rector Vicar Proprietarie or Possessor of such a Parish-Church and of the Rectorie Vicaridge farme possession or dominion of the same and by vertue thereof hath right unto all tythes oblations c. apertaining to the same Church and growing within the same parish bounds limits or places tythable of the same Secondly that his predecessors Rectors Vicars c. time out of mind and memorie of man have quietly and peaceably received and had all and singular tythes oblations c. increasing growing and renewing within the Parish c and that they and he have beene and are in peaceable possession of having and receiving tythes oblations c. Thirdly that the partie defendant hath had and received in such a yeer c. of so many sheepe feeding and couching within the said Parish c. so many fleeces of wooll and of so many Ewes so many Lambes c. Fourthly that the defendant hath not set out yeelded or paid the tyth of the wooll and lambe and that every Tyth fleece of the said wool by commâ—n estimation is worth so much and that every tyth Lambe by common estimation is likewise worth so much c. Fifthly that the defendant is subject to the jurisdiction of that Court whereunto he is summoned Lastly that the defendant doth hetherto deny or delay to pay his tyths notwithstanding he hath beene requested thereunto These and such like are the chiefe matters of fact whereupon in the The Kings Iustices are as able to judge of exceptions against tyths as the Ecclesiasticall Iudges Ecclesiasticall Courts proofes by witnesses or records rest to be made for the recoverie of tythes And who knoweth not but that these facts upon proofes made before the Kings Justices may aswell bee decided by them as by any of the Reverend Bishops or venerable Archdeacons their Chancellors or Officials If there be any exception alleaged by the defendant as of composition prescription or priviledge the Kings Justices are as able to judge of the validitie of these as they are now able eo determine customes de modo decimandi or of the use of high wayes of making and repairing of Bridges of Commons of pasture pawnage â—estovers or such like Truth it is that of Legacies and bequests of goods the reverend Bishops by sufferance Legacies how they may be recovered at the common law of our Kings and consent of our people have accustomably used to take cognizance and to hold plea in their spirituall Courts Notwithstanding if the Legacie bee of lands where lands be divisible by Testament the judgement thereof hath beene alwayes used and holden by the Kings writ and never in any Ecclesiasticall Court Wherefore if it shall please the King to enlarge the authoritie of his Courts temporall by commanding matters of legacies and bequests of goods aswell as of lands to be heard and determined in the same it were not much to be feared but that the kings Justices the kings learned Counsell and others learned in the Law of the Realm without any alteration of the same law would speedily finde meanes to apply the grounds thereof aswell to all cases of Legacies and bequests of goods as of lands For if there be no goods divisible by will but the same are grantable and confirmable by deed of gift could not the kings Justices aswell judge of the gift and of the thing given by will as of the grant and of the thing granted by deed of gift or can they not determine of a Legacie of goods aswell as of a bequest of lands If it should come in debate before them whether the Testator at that time of making his will were of good and perfect memorie upon proofs and other
written of the common law is reported hath beene in times passed presented and punished in leets and law-dayes in divers parts of the Realme by the name of Letherwhyte which is as the booke saith an ancient Saxon terme And the Lord of the Leet where it hath beene presented hath ever had a fine for the same offence By the statute of those that be borne beyond the seas it appeareth that the King hath cognizance 25. Ed 3. of some bastardy And now in most cases of bastardie if not in all by the statute of Eliz. the reputed father of a bastard borne is lyable to be punished at the discretion of the justices of peace Touching perjurie if a man lose his action by a false verdict in plea Perjurie if punishable temporally in some cases why not in all of land he shall have an attaint in the Kings Court to punish the perjurie and to reforme the falsitie And by divers statutes it appeareth that the Kings temporall Officers may punish perjurie committed in the Kings temporall Courts And though it be true that such perjury as hath risen upon causes reputed spirituall have beene in times past punished only by Ecclesiastical power and censures of the Church yet hereupon it followeth not that the perjurie it selfe is a meere spirituall and not a temporall crime or matter or that the same might not to be civily punished By a statute of Westminster 25. Edw. 3. it was accorded that the Vsurie King and his heires shall have the cognizance of the usurers dead and that the Ordinaries have cognizance of usurers on life to make compulsion by censures of the Church for sinne and to make restitution of the usuries taken against the lawes of holy Church And by another statute it is provided that usuries shall not turne against any being â—0 h. 3. â— 5. within age after the time of the death of his Ancestor untill his full age But the usurie with the principall debt which was before the death of his ancestor did remaine and turne against the heire And because all usurie being forbidden by the law of God is sinne and detestable it was enacted that all usurie lone and forbearing of money c. giving dayes c. shall be punished according to the forme of that Act. And that every such offender shall also bee punished and corrected according to the Ecclesiasticall lawes before that time made against usurie By all which statutes it seemeth that the cognizance and reformation of usurie by the lawes of the Realme pertaineth onely to the King unlesse the King by his Law permit the Church to correct the same by the censures of the Church as a sin committed against the holy law of God Touching heresies and schismes albeit the Bishops by their Episcopall and ordinarie spirituall power grounded upon Canon law or an evill custome have used by definitive sentence pronounced in their Consistories to condemn men for heretikes and schismatikes and heresies schismes are punishable by the kings laws afterward being condemned to deliver them to the secular power to suffer the paines of death as though the king being custos utriusque tabulae had not power by his kingly office to inquire of heresie to condemn an heretike and to put him to death unlesse he were first condemned and delivered into his hands by their spirituall power although this hath been I say the use in England yet by the statutes of Richard the second and Henry the fifth it was lawfull for the Kings Judges and Justices to enquire of heresies and Lollards in Leets Sheriffs 25. h. 5. c. 14. turnes and in Law dayes and also in Sessions of the peace Yea the King by the common law of the Realme revived by an act of Parliament which before the Statute of Henry the fourth was altered may pardon a man condemned for heresie yea and if it should come to passe that any heresies or schismes should arise in the Church of England the king by the Lawes of the Realme and by his Supreme and 1 Eliz c. 1. Soveraigne power with his parliament may correct redresse and reforme all such defaults and enormities Yea further the king and his 1 Eliz. c. 1. parliament with consent of the Clergie in their Convocation hath power to determine what is heresie and what is not heresie If then it might please the king to have it enacted by parliament that they which opiniatively and obstinately hold defend and publish any opinions which according to an Act of Parliament already made have beene or may be ordered or adjudged to bee heresies should bee heretikes If it please the King heretikes may be adjudged felons and heresies felonies and felons and their heresies to be felonies and that the same heretiks and felons for the same their heresies and felonies being arraigned convicted and adjudged by the course of the common law as other felons are should for the same their heresies and felonies suffer the paines of death there is no doubt but the King by vertue of his Soveraigne and Regall Lawes might powerfully enough reforme heresies without any such ceremoniall forme papall observance or superstitious solemnitie as by the order of the Canon Law pretended to bee still in force have beene accustomed And as these offences before mentioned bee punishable partly by temporall and partly by Ecclesiasticall authoritie so drunkennesse absence from divine service and prayer fighting quarrelling and brawling in Church and Churchyard defamatorie words and libels violent laying on oâ— hands upon a Clarke c. may not onely bee handled and punished in a court ecclesiasticall but they may also be handled and punished by the King in his temporall courts By all which it is evident that the Clergie hath had the correction of these crimes rather by a The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some crimes â—â— the law of God belong to the King custome and by sufferance of Princes than for that they be meere spirituall or that they had authoritie by the immediate law of God And if all these as well as some of these crimes by sufferance of Princes and by a custome may be handled and punished spiritually then also if it please the King may all these as well as some of these crimes without a custome be handled and punished temporally For by custome and sufferance only some of these crimes be exempted from the cognizance of the King and therefore by the immediate law of God the cognizance as well of all as of some oâ— these crimes properly appertaineth unto the King And then the judgement of those men who defend judgements of adulterie slander c. to be more temporall and by the temporall Magistrate only to be dealt in seemeth every way to be a sincere and sound judgment Howbeit they doe not hereby intend that the party offending in any of these things and by the Kings law punishable should therefore wholly bee exempted and freed
against us that we which urge the same holy law for the bringing in of the discipline by pastors and elders should notwithstanding contrary to the same law intend the leaving out or altering any one of the three estates But which of the three estates was it that he meant should bee left out I trow there is none of the state of prelacie so ill advised as to take upon him the proof of this position viz. That the Lords spiritual The state of the prelacie is not one of the three estates in parliament by themselves alone doe make one of the three estates or that the statutes of England to this day have stood by their authorities as by the authoritie of those who alone by themselvs are to be accompted one of the three estates For if that were so how much more then might the great Peeres Nobles and temporall Lords challenge to make by themselvs an other estate And without contradiction to this day the commons summoned by the kings writ have ever been reckoned a third estate Now then if statutes have hitherto stood by authoritie of the Lords spirituall as of the first estate by the authoritie of the Lords temporall as of the second estate and by authoritie of the commons as of the third estate I would gladly be resolved what accompt the Admonitor made of the Kings estate It had not beene liegnes nor loyaltie I am sure howsoever hee spake much of the Lords spiritualls dutie and fidelitie in the execution of our late Queenes lawes to have set her Royall person authoritie and state behind the lobbie at the Parliament doore Either the kings Royall person then as not comprised within the compasse and circumcription of the three estates by his meaning which had beene but a very bad meaning must be thought to have beene hitherto secluded from authorizing the statute lawes made in Parliament Or els it is a most cleare case that the Lords spirituall themselves alone do not make any one of the three estates And what matter then of more weight may it happily seeme to be to alter the authoritie of the Lords spirituall and to leave them out of the Parliament when as notwithstanding they being left out the statutes of England may remaine and continue by authoritie of the three estates And it were not amisse for the Lords spirituall to consider that the bodie and state of the weale publike both now is and ever hath beene a perfect entire and complete bodie and State without the bodie and state of Prelacie and that the King and Nobles and Commons of the Realme without Prelates Bishops or Clerkes doe make up all the members and parts of the bodie and of the state and may therefore ordaine promulg and execute all manner of lawes without any consent Anno 36. h. 8. fo 51. h Anno m. j. fo 93. â— approbation or authoritie yeelded unto the same by the Bishops spirituall or any of the Clergie And thus much our Divines Histories and Lawes do justifie Sir Iames Dier Lord chiefe Justice of the Common pleas in his reports telleth us that the state and bodie of a Parliament in England consisteth first of the King as of the head and chiefe part of the bodie secondly of the Lords as principall members and lastly of the Commons as inferiour members of that bodie By a statute of provisoes it appeareth That the holy Church of 25. Ed. 3. holy church founded in the state of prelacie by the King England was founded into the state of prelacie within the Realm of England by the grand father of King Edward the third and his progenitors and the Earles Barons and other Nobles of the Realme and their Ancestors for them to informe the people of the law of God and to make hospitalities and almes and other workes of charitie in These uses are changed to the keeping of great horses great troopes of idlers wiâ—h long haire and great chaines of gold 6 Eliz. c. 1. The King bound to do lawes made without assent of prelates to bee kept as lawes of the realmes the places where the Churches were founded From whence it followeth First that the Archbishops and Bishops only and alone doe not make of themselves any state of prelacie but that the whole holy Church of England was founded into a state of Prelacie Secondly it is plaine that the Kings of England before they and the Earles Barons and other Nobles and great men had founded the holy Church of England into a state of Prelacie ought and were bounden by the accord of their people in their Parliaments to reforme and correct whatsoever was offencive to the lawes and rights of the crowne and to make remedie and law in avoiding the mischiefes dammages oppressions and grievances of their people yea and that the Kings were bound by their oathes to doe the same lawes so made to bee kept as lawes of the Realm though that thorough sufferance and negligence any thing should at any time be attempted to the contrary For whereas before the statute of Caerlile the Bishop of Rome had usurped the Seignories of such possessions and benefices as whereof the Kings of the Realme Earles Barons and other Nobles as Lords and Avowes ought to have the custodie presentments and collations King Edward the first by assent of the Earles Barons and other Nobles and of all the communaltie at their instances and requests und without mention of any assent of the state of prelacie in the said Parliament holden at Caerlile ordained that the oppressions grievances and dammage sustained by the Bishop of Romes usurpation should not from thenceforth be suffered in any manner And forasmuch as the grievances and mischiefes mentioned in the said Act of Caerlile did afterward in the time of King Edward the third daily abound to greater dammage and destruction of the Realm more than ever before and that by procurement of Clerks and purchasers of grace from Rome 31 Ed. 5 sta of â—â—ering the said King Edward the third by assent and accord of all the great men and commons of this Realme and without mention of any assent of Prelates or Lords spirituall having regard of the said Act of Caerlile and to the causes conteyned in the same to the honour of God and profit of the Church of England and of all this Realme ordained and established that the free elections of Archbishops Bishops and all other dignities and benefices elective in England should hould from thenceforth in the manner as they were granted by the Kings progenitors and founded by the ancestors of other Lords And in divers other statutes made by King Edward the third it is said that our soveraigne Lord the King by the assent of the great men and all the Commons hath ordained remedie c. That it was accorded by our Soveraigne Lord the King the great men and all the commons 36 Ed. 3. c. 6 8 Ed. 3. 3. statute of provisours
temporally as the other doth spiritually And certes it seemeth that the Admonitor was drawne very dry of reason when hee was faine to plucke this stake from the hedge to make a fire and to kindle the wrath of the Magistrate against the forme of Discipline by Pastors and Elders For whether hee intendeth that the Pastors and Elders will think themselves to have injury if they deale not in all causes of the Common-Weale as well as in all causes of their Churches or whether hee meant that the common people wâ—ll easily transferre the government of the Common-Weale from a Kingly Monarchie to a noble Aristocracie there is neither soothnesse nor soundnesse in his meaning For sithence the Leaâ—ned Ministers against the reverend Pastors disclaime to deale in civill matters Bishops by the holy rules of our faith maintaine that it is not lawfull for a Mâ—nister of the Gospell to exercise civill Magistracy and that it is not lawfull for the man of God to bee intangled with the affaires of this life how is it probable that those Ministers will easily oppugne their owne knowledge by their owne contrary practice Or how is it probablâ— that they would overleade themselves with that burthen to ease the Church whereof they have contentedly exposed themselves into a number of reproches contempts bytings and persecutions As for that other intendment of â—he Admonitors that it is gâ—eatly to bee feared that the common people will easily transferre Monarchy unto Democracie or Aristocracy if the principles and reason thereof by experience were made familiar in their mâ—nds this reason I say might seeme to carry some shew of affrâ—ghting a Monarch if the same were insinuated unto a King whose people were never acquainted with the Principles and reasons of Democracy or Aristocracy but this feare being insinuated unto our late Soveraigne Lady the Queene whose people ever since the time they first began to be a people have had their wits long exercised The people of England have their wits exercised with the sense of Democracy Aristocracy with the sense and feeling of the reasons and principles as well of Democracy as also of Aristocracy what sense had the Admonitor to urge this feare That in the Kingdome of England the common people have already the sense and feeling of the reasons and principles of Democracy cannot be denyed For in every cause almost as well of criminall as civill justice some few only excepted to be executed in the Common-Weale by the common lawes of the Realme have they not some hand and dealing in the same by one meane or other Nay which is more have they not the sense and feeling of the making and unmaking their own laws in Parliament And is not their consultations in Parliament a meere Democritall consultation As much also there is to be avowed for the sense and feeling of the reasons and principles of Aristocracy to be already in the minds of the Peers the Nobles the Iudges and other great men of the Realme For are not the Wisest the Noblest and the chiefest taken out of these by the King to be of his Counsell and to be Iudges and Iusticers in his Courts Yea and is not their Assembly also in Parliaments a meere Aristocraticall assembly And what translation then is there greatly to be feared out of the Church to be made into the Common-Weale when the minds of all sorts of our common wealthes men be already seasoned with the things which hee feareâ—h And when the Common-Weale is already seized of the Principles and reasons which he would not have familiarly knowne unto it Wherefore that the King the Nobles and Commons may no more be feared with the strangenesse of these uncouth and unknown Greeke names of Democracy and Aristocracy written in his booke with great and Capitall Letters I have thought it my duty by these presents to informe them that the government of the Church by Pastors and elders now wanting amongst us and desired to bee brought into the Church by the Soveraigne authority of our King Nobles and Commons in Parliament for the outward forme and manner thereof is none other manner of Government nor forme of policie than such as they and their Progenitors and Ancestors for many hundred yeares together without interruption have used and enjoyed in the Common-Weale And that therefore it will be a very easie matter to transferre the same to the government of the The manner of Policie by Pastors and Elders in the Church is agreeable to the government in the common weale The government of the Church by prelacy disagreeable to the government used in the common weale Church For by the reasons and principles of their owne government in the Common-weale and by the sense and feeling thereof they may well bee induced to thinke that they have injury if they have not as much to doe in matters of the Church as they have to doe in matters of the Common-Weale seeing they touch their commoditie and benefit spiritually as the other doth temporally And withall on the other side I shall doe my best endeavour to advertise them that the government of the Church by Prelacy is such a manner of Government as was never yet in the administration of justice by any subject no not touching the outward forme thereof once admitted into any part of Common-Weale and that therefore the same if it may please the King will very easily bee sent and transmarined unto Rome whence it first came and where it had it originall and birthright And to the end that wee may clearely discerne whether the nature of the Government of the Church by Prelacy or the nature of the Government desired to be planted by Pastors and Elders be more agreeable to the nature of the policy received and used both by the Nobles and common people in the Common-Weale it is necessary that the manners and formes both of Prelaticall and Pastorall Government bee made familiar unto the minde of the Reader And because wee have already declared the manner of the election and confirmation both of a Bishop into his Episcopall See and of a Minister into his Pastorall charge what the one is by the Law already established and what the other by a Law desired to be established ought to be wee will not any more speake of their entrance into either of their places unlesse onely a little to recreate the Reader we meerely note what answer some Bishops have made when as long chasing after Bishoprickes they have chafed in their mindes for feare of losing The answer of an Italian Bishop loth to lose his Bishopricke their prey as was the answer of that Italian Bishop who being thrice demanded of the Archbishop as the manner is vis Episcopari vis Episcopari vis Episcopari and being willed by one standing by thrice againe to answer as the manner is nolo nolo nolo Hee making nâ— bones at the matter answered aloud with an The answer of an
bishops and societie against the right and freedome of the law of God against the principles of humane fellowships against that which was in the begining and against that which the Apostles left in the Churches by colour of lawes brought into the Church by the cursings and fightings of the late Romane Bishops they would not henceforth barre and seclude the Kings Christian and faithfull people from giving their consents unto their pastours Yea and we further beseech their Lordships that are schollers unto the Apostles and as servants unto the old way of reason of nature of the law of God of the equitie of Christ and of humane societie they would hereafter imbrace that way which was from the beginning which is the old way and the best way and not any longer persist in a cursed and quarrelling way which is the new way and the worst way But if the Lords spirituall of their own accord shal not readily vouclsafe to yeeld unto us this our right at our intreatie then for my part I will briefly shew mine opinion what were expedient for the A supplieation to the king by the Lords and commons for the restitution of their right in the choice of their pastors Lords and commons in open parliament dutifully to pray and to supplicate at the Kings Majesties hand Namely At the humble petitions and supplications of all his Lords temporall and commons in Parliament assembled his majestie would bee well pleased to give his Royall assent to an act to be intituled An act for the restitution of the ancient right and freedome which the people of God in the old Churches had and which the people of England ought to have in to or about the election of their Pastours and abolishing all papal power repugnant to the same For if as it is plainly confessed the people of all Churches have right and freedome by the law of God by the equitie of Christ by the grounds of reason and nature by the principles of humane fellowships and by that which was from the beginning to elect their pastours and if also the same right and freedome being left to the old Churches and especially to the Church at Ierusalem by the Apostles have beene taken away by the cursings and fightings of the late Bishops of Rome then cannot the people without violation of those lawes rules and grounds by any Episcopall power be any more excluded from their said right and freedome than could or might the ancient jurisdiction of the Crowne of England have beene still usurped by the pope from the Kings of England ADMONITION But alas the common people of England thorough affection and want of right judgement are more easily wrought by ambitious persons to give their consâ—nt to unworthy men as may appeare in all those officâ—s of gaine or dignitie that at this day remaine in the choise of the multitude ASSERTION The Admonitor in one place of his admonition telleth us that he must not put all that he thinketh in writing and yet he writeth in this place that thing which might far better have been utterly unthought than once written for could he thinke to win the common people of England to a continuall good liking of high and stately prelacie by upbraiding and charging them to their faces in a book dedicated unto them with affection and wanting of right judgement Was this the way to procure grace favour and benevolence at their hands And albeit this slander deserved rather to have beene censured by the Commons in Parliament than by confutation to have beene answered yet for the better clearing of the right judgement of the common people giving their consents to most worthy men in all offices of gaine or dignitie remaining in their hands I thinke it necessarie to shew the indignitie of this contumelie There be I confesse in London Yorke Lincoln Bristow Exceter Norwich Coventry and other principall Cities and townes corporate Majors Sheriffes Stewards Recorders Bailiffes Chamberlains Bridge-masters Clerkes Swordbearers Knights Burgesses and such like offices some of dignitie some of gaine but that the officers of these or any other places whether of dignitie or gaine be chosen by the multitude of those places is utterly untrue for onely according to their ancient customes priviledges and Charters by the chief Citizens Townsmen and Borough-masters are those officers chosen The number also of which Electors in all places is not alike In London the Aldermen choose the Lord Major In other Cities and Townes sometimes eight and forty sometimes fourteene sometimes twelve sometimes only such as have borne office as Majors Sheriffes and Bailiffs in the same places nominate and elect their new Major Sheriffs and Bailiffes But that the Aldermen principall Towns-men Borough-masters and men having born chief offices in those cities towns and boroughs have easily been wrought by ambitious persons to give their consents unto unworthy men though it have pleased the Ll. Bb. with seene and allowed to have spred and published this saying yet that the same saying is wholly unworthy of any credit to bee given unto it or to bee regarded of any wise and indifferent man let the sober and peaceable elections made of the worthies of the land hereafter mentioned be witnesses The officers in Cities and townes corporate chosen with out contention and ambitious working of unworthy men And to leave to speake of the election of the Lord Major of the Citie of London Sheriffs Aldermen Wardens of companies Chamberlains bridge-masters and other annuall officers of honour and dignitie let us consider whether the Citizens of London have beene wrought by ambitious persons to choose M. Wilbraham M. Onslie M. Bromley to be their Recorders â—ll three afterward the Queenes solicitors and M. Bromly Lord Chancellor of England and let us consider whether the same Citizens as men of affection and want of right judgement did elect to be Recorders of the same Citie M. Serjeant Fleetwood Master Serjeant Flemming Master Serjeant Drue and how Master Crooke a man wise learned and religious and a Counseller and justicer within the principâ—litie of Wales The Recorder of the towne of Bedford is the right honourable the Lord S. Iohns of Bletsoe The Recorder of Bristoll was a long time Master Poppam now Lord chief Justice of England The Recorder of Northampton before he came to be Judge in the Kings bench was Master Serjeant Yelverton a favouter of the truth and an upright Justicer The Recorder of Warnick was Master Serjeant Puckering afterward Lord keeper of the great seale And of the same towne the Recorder now is a worthy Knight descended from a noble house Sir Foulke Grevile The Recorder of Coventrie is Sir Iohn Harrington Knight a man zealous for the true feare of God The Recorder of Chichester was M. Serjeant Lewkner now chiefe Justice in the principalitâ—e of Wales The Recorder of Norwich was Master Cooke the Kings Atturney generall And who soever shall enquire after the names and after the manner of election
a battle doors read English and as know not the Lords prayer from the articles of faith Of which sort of Ministers the Parson of Haskam now living a Chaplaine in Winton-diocesse may be produced for a witnesse omni exceptione major For thus much is to be proved from the report of a good and religious Knight dwelling within that diocesse that upon a time in the presence and at the instant request of the said Knight when a Protestant bishop of the same diocesse deceased had demanded of the new Parson of Haskam which was the first Petition of the Lords prayer the said Parson after hee had a prety space paused The parson of Haskams answer to the Bishop of Winchester and gased towards heaven at length made this answer viz. I believe in God the Father Almighty at which answer the Knight merily smileing I told you my Lord quoth the Knight what a profound Clerke your Lordship should finde this fellow Well how unclerkely and how unprofoundly soever this Clerke then answered and albeit at that present he could not obtaine the institution which he came for to that benefice for the good Bishop hated such grosse ignorance yet this Clerke afterwards by the corruption of the sâ—me Bishops Chancellour was instituted into the same benefice and to this day possesseth it quietly though he can hardly read English to the understanding of his people I could have enformed him also of many other such Clerks resiant and beneficed in that Diocesse and namely of the Vicar of W. who upon an holy day instead of preaching the word which he could not or in reading of Homilies Fables read in the Church which he would not to terrifie his Parishioners with the judgements of God and to move them unto repentance solemnly read and published a counterfeit fable out of a little Pamphlet intitulâ—d Strange newes out of Calabria pretended to bee prognosticated by M. Iohn Doleta Of these and of a number of such able and skilfull Clerks and Chaplains my Lords of the Clergie may be enformed â—f the people had choise of their pastors they would provide better than the bishops send them And therefore on the behoof and in the defence of the common people of England I am to testifie and to protest unto their Lordships that by the mercifulnesse and goodnesse of our God we are not yet become so ignorant rude and barbarous as that we would admit such manner of Clerkes and Chaplaines to have the cure of our soules in case it laid in our power to choose and refuse our owne Pastours No no our soules and the soules of our wives children and families should be more dear and more precious in our eyes than that carelesly we would hazzard all our birthrights upon the skill and abilitie of such a messe of hirelings and idoll shepheards And surely me thinkes it standeth greatly with the charitie of our Lord Bishops to conceive Though the common people bee not able to discerne of pastors yet the Nobles are able the Commons to have so much naturall understanding as not to choose a cobler when they want a carpenter nor to retaine a loyterer in lieu of a labourer nor to hire a sleeper in stead of a watchman But alas be it that the poore Commons of England were thus wretched and thus bewitched yea be it that they were thus desperate and besides themselves should therefore the Nobles and Peeres of the Realm be as prophane as impious and as heathenish as they Are the great men also unworthy unable and unfit to discerne between night and day betweene light and darknesse Can they also put no difference betweene good and evill betweene a blind guide and him that hath his eye-sight or have they no better stomach than to cast up Mithridate and to digest hemlocke will they also chuse them Captaines from among Corvisers and will they call shepheards from among swineheards or will they take them pastours from among pedlers or will my Lords of the clergie charge them to bee those ambitious persons to work the Commons for their private respect to the choise of unworthy men or will they being themselvs under his Majestie the worthies of the land and chiefe guides and leaders of men in peace and in war upon earth chuse the scumm the refuse and the baggage of the land to guide their owne soules to hell For to heaven by the labour and industrie of such idoll ministers as whose lips preserve no knowledge they can never bee brought A great part of the common people saith hee are backwardly affected towards the truth of Religion from which backwardnesse The common people accused to bee backwardly affected to religion he draweth an argument against the allowance of the pastors by the people But alas is there any marvail that the common people for the most part be backwardly affected For how is it possible that they should step one foot forward when either their guides stand still or goe not at all or at least run fromward or can The backwardnesse of the people proceedeth from the backwardnesse of their guides the common people become good schollers in the schoole of Christ and learne to know the truth of his religion when their Masters and Tutors whom my Lords of the Clergie have begotten provided and thrust upon them be unlearned and irreligious dullards What Can truth spring from errour or can light arise out of darknesse Doe men pluck or pull corne from a dead stalke or a full eare from a dead root Can a Vintener draw wine out of an emptie Casque or doth a Baker poure meale out of a bottomlesse bag If then the common people be foolish and ignorant if they doe erre and bee irreligious they may justly challenge the Lords spirituall of unkindnesse and want of love not because they have sent Embassadors unto them as the Gibeonites sent unto Iosua with old sackes and old bottels with old shooes and old rayment with provision of bread dried and mouled but because they have sent them such ambassadors as have had no sackes no bottels no shooes no raiment yea and no manner of bread at all All which notwithstanding the Admonitor by the backwardnesse of the people laboureth mightily to acquit the Lord Bishops laying to the peoples charge that this fault hath not happened for want of teaching by the Ministers but for want or profiting by the people The Scripture saith he in no place teacheth us that the offences and faultes of the Ministers are alwayes the only cauâ—e why the word of God doth not take place in mens hearts It is commonly and almost always imputed to the way wardnesse unthankfulnesse and obstinacie of the people that heare it But alas who ever fancied that the faults of the Ministers of God were the only cause why the word of God preached by them did not enter into the hearts of men Where the Minister sincerely preacheth the word of God if there the
Bishop then having these two severall and distinct offices imposed upon his person the one by divine the other by humane Law the one humane and Episcopall the other without pomp and pastorall there ariseth from thence this question by which of those two functions hee may lawfully I meane according to Gods Law minister the Doctrine Sacraments and censures of Christ If it bee answered that it is lawfull for him by vertue of his Pastorall office to minister the doctrine and Sacraments and by force of his humane Episcopall office to minister the censures of Christ then is not the answer fitted to the question the same being made à bene conjunctis ad male divisa For the censures of Christ as well as the doctrine of Christ being simply of divine ordinance it must follow if his Episcopall power be onely of humane right and pastorall power be onely of divine institution that the censures may bee ministred by authority derived onely from man but the doctrine and Sacraments by power derived onely from God Which commixion of divine and humane right in the execution of the ordinances of God can no manner of wayes be sound pure and sincere and therefore also can not be pleasing unto God For no more can the censures of Christ to the pleasure of God be lawfully administred by the authoritie of any one whose function is of man and not of God than could the sacrifice of God bee offered by one who was a priest of man and not of God Now that humane Episcopality or Bâ—shoppisme in the Church of England is authorized and deduced from Lordly Episcopality authorized only by the Law of the Realme the power and Law of man viz. of the King and Realme alone is evident as well by the donation and endowment of the Bishoprickes founded by the Kingly Prerogatives of the Kings of this Realme as by the erection and establishment of the new Bishopricks of Chester Gloucester Bristoll Peter borough and Oxford with their Cathedrall Churches Seas Cities meeres and bounds of those humane Bishops for the exercise of their Episcopall administration according to act of Parliament authorizing the Kings Highnesse to make Bishops by His Letters Patents Nay further that humane Episcopall Note that King Henry the eight by letters Patents made Bish therefore c. 31. H. 8. c. 9 jurisdiction within the meres and bounds of every Diocesse within England is meerely of humane and not of divine institution appeareth by that power and authority which the King hath in translating and dissolving of Bishopricks in conserving Episcopall jurisdiction sometimes to such persons as be no Bishops as did William the Conqueror when hee gave Episcopall power to the Abbot of Battaile and lastly by the very manner and forme of the nomination licence of Election and authority of investiture confirmation and consecration of Archbishops and Bishops established by the more positive Law of the Realme But if it bee answered 25. H. 8. c. 20 that the Bishop by his humane Episcopall power doth minister the Doctrine Sacraments and discipline of Christ then is the case worse with him than it was before because then not onely the Discipline of Christ but also the doctrine and Sacraments of Christ should bee ministred by that authority which is of humane institution Besides the answer should be untrue because the Bishop at the time of his consecration doth not receive any authority to preach the Word and minister the Sacraments for that authority was then committed unto him when first he was ordained to be a Presbyter But the authority which hee receiveth at the time of his consecration is to correct and punish such as bee unquiet disobedient and criminous within his Diocesse Whereby once againe is that confirmed which was erst said viz. That Episcopall power in England is not of divine but of humane institution Especially for that by the Scriptures it can not be proved that there bee two severall and distinct formes of ordinations the one called consecration proper to a Lord Bishop for the exercise of Discipline the other called ordination peculiar to a Pastor or teaching Elder for the ministration of the Word and Sacraments Whereunto lastly may bee added another maine reason that Episcopall power in If the Lord Bish have power to minister disâ—ipline by divine right then no more can he commit that his power to an other than he can commit the power which hee hath of preaching to another England to minister the Discipline can not therefore bee of divine institution because if it were of divine institution the Bishop could no more surrogate the same his Episcopall power to his Suffragane to his Vicar generall or Rouland Allen to minister the censures of Christ in his owne name than hee can depute them or any of them to minister the doctrine and Sacraments in his own name But how doth it appeare that the Vicar generall Rowland Allen or any other Presbyter did ever excommunicate by the power or in the name of the Bishop For the proofe hereof we shall not need to search any other authenticall record then the precept and the practice before intreated of For it is not said in the precept that the Presbyter being armed with authority from Christ but it is said that the Presbyter being armed with authority from the Bishop or Archdeacon shall denounce the sentence of excommunication the practice also of Doctor Hone every way confirmeth as much For therein Doctor Hone doth not challenge to be an Officer unto Christ but he saith that he is the officiall of the venerable Archdeacon of Surrey and that Master Rowland Allen Presbyter by vertue of his office doth excommunicate the parties who obeyed not his mandates who made not their appearances before him c. If it be answered that Rowland Allen though he be not an immediate officer from Christ that yet neverthelesse he is a mediate officer depuâ—ed to his office by an immediate officer unto Christ viz. the Lord Bishop or Archdeacon then wee reply and say First that the Lord Bishop and Archdeacon be neither immediate or mediâ—te Officers appointed by Christ to bee ministers of his discipline Secondly if they were immediate officers from Christ that yet they have no authority by the Law of Christ to transfer their right or any part thereof to an other person in their name or by their authoritie to excommunicate As for these words viz. In Dei nomine Amen nos Iohannes Hone or nos Roulandus Allen c. sometimes used in their scedule of excommunication it is but a prophaning of the holy name of God whereby they make themselves guilty of the taking of the glorious name of God in vaine And thus much touching both the question and answer whether the discipline of Christ may be ministred by the Bishops humane Episcopall power yea or no. But now on the other side because no divine censure can lawfully be executed in the Church by that authority
Cecill TO the end I may enforme your Lordship of my dealing in this Parliament-time against the undue claimed superiority of the Bishops over their inferior brethren Thus it was Because I was in the Parliament time in the 25. yeare of King Henry the eight In which time First all the Clergie aswell Bishops as others made an humble submission to King Henry the Eighth acknowledging his Supremacie and detesting the usurpation of the Bishops of Romes authoritie Vpon which submssion of the Clergie the King gave unto the said Bishops the same ample rule that before they had under the Pope over their inferiour brethren saving that the same rule was abridged by stature by this parenthesis following that is to say without offending the prerogative Royall of the Crowne of England and the lawes and customes of the Realme In the later end of the Statute it was added that whosoever offendeth in any one part of that statute and their Aydors Counsellors and Abbettors they did all fall into the penalty of the premunire And after I had recited this statute in the Parliament house I declared that in King Henry the Eight dayes after this There was no Bishop that did practise superio rity over their inferior brethren And in King Edwards dayes the said Bishops obtained a statute whereby they were authorized to keepe their Courts in the Kings name the which statute was repealed in Queene Maries dayes and was not received in her Majesties time that now is whereupon it was doubtfull to me by what authority the Bishops do keepe their Courts now in their owne names because it is against the Prerogative Royall of the Crowne of England that any should keepe a Court without sufficient warrant from the Crowne Whereupon I was answered that the Bishops doe keepe their Courts now by prescriptions and it is true that the Bishop may prescribe that King Henry the 8. gave them authority by the statute of 25. of his raigne to have authority and rule over their inferior brethren as ample as they had in the Popes time But this was no speciall warrant for them to keepe their Courts by and that in their owne names And yet they have none other warrant to keep their Courts as they doe now in their owne names to my knowledge And this was the cause that made them obtaine a statute in King Edwards dayes to keepe their Courts by in the Kings name Now it is a strange allegation that the Bishops should claime authority at this present to keep their Courts in their own names as they do by prescription because the statute of 25. doth restraine them generally from offending of the Prerogative Royall of the Crowne of England and the Lawes and customes of the Realme And no man may justly keepe a Court without a speciall warrant from the Crowne of England as is aforesaid And the generall liberty given by King H. the 8. to the Bishops to rule and governe as they did in the Popes time is no sufficient warrant to the Bishops to keep their owne Courts in their own names by prescription as I take it And therefore the Bishops had done wisely if they had sought a warrant by statute to keepe their Courts in the Queenes name as the Bb. did in K. Edwards dayes In which time Arch. Cranmer did cause Peter Martir and Bucer to come over into this Realme to be placed in the two Vniversities for the better instruction of the Vniversities in the word of God And B. Cranmer did humbly prefer these learned men without any challenge to himselfe of any superior rule in this behalfe over his inferiour brethren And the time hath bin that no man could carry away any grant from the Crowne of England by generall words but that hee must have speciall words to carry the same by Therefore how the B. are warranted to carry away the keeping of their Courts in their owne names by prescription it passeth my understanding Moreover where as your Lordship said unto mee that the Bishops have forsaken their claime of superiority over their inferior brethren lately to bee by Gods ordinance and that now they doe only claime superiority from her Majesties supreme government If this be true then is it requisite and necessary that my L. of Canterbury that now is do recant and retract his saying in his book of the great volume against Cartwright where he saith in plaine words by the name of D. Whitgift that the superiority of B. is Gods owne institution Which saying doth impugne her Majesties supreme government directly and therefore it is to bee retracted plainly and truly For Christ plainly and truly confesseth Ioh. 18. 36. That his Kingdome was not of this world And therefore he gave no worldly rule or preheminence to his Apostles but the heavenly rule which was to preach the Gospell saying Ite praedicate in omnem mundum qnicunque crediderit baptizatus fuerâ—t salvus erit qui non crediderit condemnabitur Goe and preach in all the world whosoever shall beleeve be baptized shall bee saved but he that will not beleeve shall be condemned Mark 16. 15. But the Bishops do cry out saying that Cartwright and his fellows would have no government c. So belike the B. care for no government but for worldly and forcible government over their brethren the which Christ never gave to his Disciples nor Apostles but made them subject to the rule of Princes who ought not to be resisted saving that they might answer unto Princes that they must rather obey God than men Acts 5. 29. and yet in no wise to resist the Prince but to take up the Crosse and follow Christ FINIS
Scripture to be given them by God and therefore the King and Parliament may be pleased to abolish both them and their power as King Hen. 8. did abolish Monkes and Friars 26. 40. and 28 The challeng for Lordly primacy out of the great charter answered 28 The study of the civill Law and the professors of it may florish more than now they doe 28 Fees for probate of testaments let to farme 29 Fees dew for execution of functions of the Canon Law disproportionable for a Dâ—ctor of the Civill Law 30 An Act of Parliament for the advancement of the Civill Law is set downe and a forme laid for all proceedings in the Courts in which the Civill Lawyers should be Iudges 32 33 It will advance the honour of the King and the good of his subjects to have matters of tithes and testaments and matrimony reduced by act of Parliament to bee tried by the Iudges of the Common Law 37 Matters of tithes and other causes of light nature pertaine to civill justice 37 The temporall law may easily bee applyed to causes now reputed Ecclesiasticall 39 How legacies may be recovered at the Common Law 42 Matters of marriages more fit to bee decided by the Kings officers than by the Bishops 43 Much adâ—e in the Bishops Courts about Accipio and Accipiam 44 The common Law preferred by the Bishops above the Law of God and the civill Law 45 Causes of Adulteries Slander Heresie which by sufferance only have bin exempted from the Cognizance of the King may be arbitrated by the Iudges of the common Law 47 Hierarchy may be judged felony if it please the King 49 The cognizance of all crimes as well as of some by the Law of God belong to the King 50 No impeachment and impropriations in lay mens hands the stat of 15. Rich. 2. and the 4. Hen. 4. being observed for a Vicar endowes yet if it please the King Parliament a law may be made for reducing of impropriations which may bee done First by restitution Secondly by commutation Thirdly by redemption Fourthly by contribution 52 Parochiall Churches to what use they were founded 56 First restitution of many may and ought to be which are now accounted the temporall revenues of Archbishops and Bishops which were given to severall Churches are now spoyled of them by Archbishops and Bishops 55 56 57 58. Secondly commutations may be made of many of the Bishops lands given to superstitious uses for many impropriations in the Kings hand and the hands of many of the Nobility 56 58 59 Thirdly there may bee a redemption made of the same land or buying in of many impropriations by a common purse or treasury which will increase 1. When the people shall be discharged of the burden of Ecclesiasticall Courts 2. The treasure will increase by the dissolution of Chapels of ease and uniting two Parishes into one and especially in great Cities and Towns where often are but small Livings 61 Dissolution of Chapels no new thing Ibid. Chapels the Seminaries of hirelings 62 3. By sequestration of the Livings of non residents 4. By the forfeiture of penall Lawes due to the King 60 61 62 63 Sequestration of the Churches of pluralists may further the treasure for redemption of impropriations 63 By what contributions Impropriations may bee brought to the use of the ministery 63 Fourthly the fourth meanes viz by contribution wherby Impropriations may be reduced to the ministery 63 64 65 How and by what means impropriations may be reduced into the ministery 65 66 None of the three estates in Parliament is lost by removall of the Hierarchy as appeares by severall statutes viz. 25. E. 3. c. 24. 31. Ed. 3. Stat. of Herrings 3. R. 2. c. 3. 7. R. 2. c. 12. 1. E. c. 2. 68 69 70 71 72 73 The state of Prelacy founded by the Grandfather of K. E. 3. 69 The K. having the assent of the Nobles and Commons may repeale statutes without the assent of the Prelates 70 The argument answered in which it is said that it hath been alwayes dangerous to pick quarrels against laws setled 74 75 Lesse danger to reforme the Church by new lawes than to continue corruption by old lawes 74 That argument answered in which it is said that there must of necessity be in every Parish one Pastor a company of Seniors and Deacon or two at the least and all those to be found of the Parish 75 76 77 78 What kind of men ought to be chosen Seniors and Deacons 76 The judgment of the Commissioners of Ed. 6. touching Elders and Deacons 77 The election of Pastors by the people stands upon the ground of reason and nature rules of Christian equity and the law of God therefore by no Law or custome can justly be taken away though actually it was by the Pope 79 to 87 Dangerous to innovate unlesse there be evident utility in innovation 80 The common manner of election in the old Churches was by the people 81 The King without the people hath power to nominate the Kingly Bishop 82 M. Bilson confirmes the peoples election of their Pastor 83 A great difference betwixt the choice of Bishops in England and Pastors 86 No Schisme hapned by choice of Pastors by the people ancient schimes were ever from the election of Bishops 87 88 therefore a Stat. is desired for the giving of election of their Pastors 86 Election of publike officers in Cities and Boroughs is by the principall men of these places 90 91. therefore Ministers may bee elected the officers of Cities and Townes Corporate chosen without contention therefore Pastors may be also chosen 90 The people would be more carefull of their Election than Bishops have been the people could make no choice of insufficient Ministers unles the Bishops did make insufficient Ministers 93 94 The common people accused of backwardnesse in Religion the reason of that must needs be from their ill guides 95 Men of excellent gifts and men of no gifts are unequally matched in the ministery of the Gospell 96 The people may know a man to be a fit Minister though he be not brought up among them 98 What knowledge of a Minister is required in the people before they choose him No partiall suits can follow the election of Ministers by the people 100 The means to take away all symony for places in the Ministry 100 The inconveniences of Bishops ordination set downe 102 As many suits betweene the Bish and the Clerke 2. suits between the Clerke and the Archdeacon 3. suits betweene the B. and the Archdeacon 4. Riots and breaches of the Kings peace 5. unlawfull Fees for Letters of institution 6. unlawfull Fees for letters of sequestration 105. 7. Perjury by the Clerk and robbery by the Patron 8. Chopping of benefices and dispensations 106. A supplication to the Parliament to consider these inconveniences and likewise a briefe way is set downe of the redresse of them 107 Diverse things set down concerning ordination of Ministers
the defendant is ready to aver maintaine and prove his answer as shall please the King to award and to command And therefore he most humbly beseecheth the King if it please the King and that hee have found favour in his sight that his exceptions may be admitted and read and that his counsell learned in the law may be heard and suffered to speake This platforme of government intended by the admonitor not to be liked of in this place is that platforme of Church government Booke of Com. Pray tit Commination Homil. 2. part of the right use of the Church Admo pag. Whitgift p. 654. M. Nowell in his Cate. M. Calvin M. Iunius Looke Peti to her excellent Majestie p. 11. by Pastours and Elders which the Booke of Common Prayer the Doctrine of the Church of England doe highly command and which he himselfe Master D. Whitgift now Lord Archbishop of Canterbury and very many other c reverend Divines of our age doe publikely confesse in their writings to have beene practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church From whence it followeth that the government of the Church by Archbishops Bishops Suffraganes Archdeacons Deacons Chancellours Commissaries and Officialls now already planted and liked of was not practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church And therefore for my part I cannot but marvell that a disciple of the Apostles Doctrine and a successor in the Apostles Chaire should be drawne to humane reasons not to like of the Apostles government nor to tread in the steps of the Primitive Church For seeing the same is acknowledged by himself to be the first ways to be the old and ancient way as being the Apostles way why Ier. 6. 16. should we not walke therein as in the only good and perfect way The reverend Bishops will not deny that the Apostles and Primitive Church for their manner of governement had the mind of Christ and that we should follow the Apostles as having them for examples because they were the followers of Christ Againe they cannot but grant that the manner of governement practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church is written within the booke of the covenants of grace All which notwithstanding we see in this place that from the new Testament from the Articles of grace from the law from the testimonie from the example of the Apostles and from the mind of Christ we are addressed and turned over to our state of government to our countrey to our people to our Common weale and to our Lawes But this turning of devises shall it not bee esteemed as the Potters clay Isa 29. 16. But saith he to plant those things in this Church which are required to be redressed might bring rather the overthrow of the Gospell than the end that is desired Indeed say I if this might be as soone proved as it was soone said the case might have gone well with him But this parable is so darke that unlesse it be opened there is no light at all to be seene in it For he well knew that in stead of the government practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church the jurisdiction of Archbishops Bishops Suffragans Deacons Archdeacons Chancellors Commissaries and Officials is already planted in this Church And he was not ignorant also that the same jurisdiction only and none other is required to be redressed Now then if request be made that this manner of governement be redressed how can it evidently bee seene that to plant that manner of government might bring rather the overthrow of the Gospell than the end that is desired But it may be that he meant more lightsomely than he spake Yea let it be that he intended thus viz. to unplant that which is now planted and to plant those things which are yet unplanted by reason of many and great alterations might bring rather an overthrow of the Gospell than the end that is desired well I say be it so that he thus meant How is this thing evidently seene or how can it evidently be proved The best sight that the servant of Christ can have is faith For Faith is an evidence of things which are not seene This overthrow Heb. 11. then of the Gospell not being seene with his bodily eyes must needs be intended to have beene seene with the eyes of his faith But where is the word of Christ whereupon the eyes of his faith were fixed If then he hold no word of faith then of necessitie was his evident sight but an evident fancy And in deed what else could it be For what other thing is there desired to bee planted in this Church but only the Apostolicall government of Christ And what other Gospell could hee evidently see that might bee overthrowne by holding forth this scepter but only the Apostolicall doctrine of Christ A marvellous strange and unkinde sight I trow to be seene that the Apostolicall Governement could no sooner bee planted but that the Apostolicall doctrine must needs be rooted up That Christ by his owne scepter were not able to maintaine his owne grace by his owne order should weaken his owne oath or by his owne sword should cut from the people of God his owne Word But seeing it was his purpose to perswade the people unto a dislike of the Apostolicall government by arguments and reasons drawne from humane policie rather than to confirme them in a good opinion of the Prelaticall Government by proofes taken from the authoritie of holy Scripture we will follow him in this his veine Yea and by the help of God we will try of what efficacy such his politike and humane reasons may be as wherewith he did assay to disswade the people from consenting unto any other manner of Church Government than is already setled among us The generall effect of all which both here and else where spoken of by him briefly gathered is this Such things may not be planâ—ed in the Church of England as by attempting the planting whereof there is an evident sight that the Gospell among us may be overthrowne But there is an evident sight that the Gospell among us may be overthrown by attempting to plant that Government in the Church of England which was practised by the Apostles and the Primitive Church Therefore that manner of Governement may not be planted The assumption of which sillogisme hee endeavoureth to confirme thus whatsoever will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of Government and of the lawes the same may bring rather the overthrow of the Gospell than the end that is desired but the planting of the Governement practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church will draw with it many and great alterations of the state of Government and of the lawes Therefore the planting of this manner of government may rather bring an overthrow of the Gospell c. If any shall object that by thus gathering his argument I had in this place falsified his argument by adding more than is here
absolutely and as really is revested in the person of the Queene as is the said spirituall authoritie Therefore as all spirituall Officers for the execution of the said spirituall power must have their authoritie derived unto them from the person of the Queene under the great Seale so likewise must all temporall officers for the execution of their temporall offices have the like commission The consequence of which enthimeme followeth not though the antecedent be true For although as well all temporall as all the said spirituall authoritie improperly so called was really and absolutely in the person of the Queene yet hereupon it followeth not that by one and the selfe same meanes alone and namely by a commission under the great Seale all temporall and the said spirituall power in every part and branch thereof should be drawne alike from the Queenes person For there be divers and sundry meanes to derive temporall authority wheras there seemeth to be but one only means to derive the said spirituall authoritie and then marke the substance of the authors argument Some temporall Officers as Stewards of Leets Constables and sundry other Officers must not draw their temporall authoritie from the Queene by a Commission under the great Seale Therefore no spirituall Officers as Archbishops Bishops Archdâ—acons and sede vacante Deanes and Chapters must draw any of their spirituall authoritie from the Queen by a Commission c. Which argument drawne from a particular affirmative unto a generall negative what weaknesse it hath every young Logician can discerne And as for Stewards of Leets though they have no Commission Though all temporall officers draw not their power from the King by the great seale yet by one meanes or other withdraw it from the King under the great Seale yet for the execution of their Stewardships they have a Commission under the Seale of the Exchequer Constables Decennary or Tythingmen and Thirdboroughs have their authorities derived unto them from the Kings person by the very originall and institution of their offices Sheriffs of Countries Coroners Escheators and Uerderors have their offices and their authorities warranted unto them by the Kings writs out of the Chancerie But it was not the minde of the Law-makers saith the Author that the Ordinaries by a commission under the great Seale should draw their said spirituall power from the Queen What the mindes of the Law-makers were touching this point it mattereth little or nothing at all Neither is it to purpose whether a commission under the great seale be necessarily required or not required by vertue of that statute 1 Eliz. c. 1. to warrant the said spirituall power unto Ordinaries Only it sufficeth that the Queen having all power improperly called spiritual invested in her Royall person and being really and actually seised of all the said supreme spirituall authoritie could not have any part of the same spirituall power drawne from her but by some one lawfull and ordinarie meanes or other For if this rule be true in every common person quod meum est sine mea voluntate à me auferri non potest how much more doth the same rule hold in the Royall prerogatives rights priviledges dignities and supremities of a King wherfore to say that all supreme and ordinarie power improperly called spirituall was really and actually inherent in the Royall person of the Queen and to say also that some of the same inferiour and ordinarie power not derived from the Queen was neverthelesse in the persons of inferiour ordinaries is as much to say that some branches of a tree may receive nourishment from elsewhere than from the root that some members of the bodie are not guided by the head and that some streames flow not from their fountaines And now to conclude this part against the Canon Law and their Offices and functions thereof I dispute thus The forraign and papall canon law with all the accessories dependances offices and functions thereof is utterly abolished out of the Realme Therefore the same law is no part of the lawes of the Realm and therefore also it is evident that there will not follow any alteration of the Lawes of the Realme by the taking of it away Which Canon Law also with other lawes and functions how easily the same without any inconveniences may bee supplied shall God willing be presently made apparant if first we shall answer to that challenge which the state of Prelacie may seeme to make for the continuance of their Lordly primacie out of the words of the great Challenge for Lordly primacy out of the great Charter answered Charter Concerning which challenge namely that by the great Charter Lordly Archiepiscopall and Episcopall primacie or jurisdiction belonging to the state of Prelacie is belonging unto them I demand unto what Church this great Charter was granted And whether it were not granted unto the Church of God in England The words of the Charter are these Concessimus Deo hâ—c praesenti Mag. Charta c. 1. Charta nostra confirmavimus pro nobis haeredibus nostris in perpetuum quod Ecclesia Anglicana libera sit habeat omnia jura sua integra libertates suas illaesas We have granted unto God and by this our present writing have confirmed for us and for our heires for ever that the Church of England be free and that she have all her rights and liberties whole and unhurt Now by this Charter if the same bee construed aright there is provision made first that such honour and worship be yeelded by the King and his subjects his and their successors and posteritie unto God as truly and indeed belongeth unto him Secondly that not only such rights and liberties as the King and his progenitors but also that such as God had endowed the Church of England with should inviolably be preserved And in very deed to speake truly and properly such rights and liberties only are to be called the rights and liberties of the Church of England which God himselfe hath given by his Law unto his universall Church and not which the Kings of England by their Charter have bequeathed to the particular Church of England When therefore question is made that by the great Charter the Kings of England are bound to maintaine the rights and liberties of the Church of England wee are to enquire and search what rights and liberties God in his holy word hath granted unto his universall Church and so by consequence unto the Church of England one part of the Catholike Church And this questionlesse was the cause that moved the victorious Prince Henry the eight so effectually and powerfully to bend himselfe against the Popes supremacie usurped that time over the Church of England For saith the King we will with hazard of our life and losse of our Crowne uphold and defend in our Realmes whatsoever wee shall know to be the will of God The Church of God then in England not being free nay having her rights and liberties
of Yorke and Silby were there present In a booke intituled the burning of Pauls Church in London 1561. and in the fift question moved by a papist it is said that this manner of ministration of Sacraments set forth in the booke of Common prayers was never allowed nor agreed upon c. no not by the Clergie of England at the last Parliament but only it was agreed upon by the Laitie which had nothing a doe with spirituall matters or causes of religion Whereunto the reverend Father Master Pilkington Bishop of M. Pilkington Bishop of Durisme Duresme answering was there not saith he a disputation for Religion appointed by the Queenes Majestie wherein your Clergie was affraid to utter their foolishnesse in defending their superstition lest they had taken more shame in answering than they did in holding their peace I thinke the Vniversities with so many places of this Realme receiving religion and these other disputing for it may bee counted to be some part of the clergie of the Realme And so it was not received without consent of the Clergie But these were not of the Parliament What then But as Ioash Josaphat Ezechias and Iosias did not make a new Religion but restored that which was defaced and had long lyen buried so our Parliament did not set forth a new religion but restore that which was godly begun before the good K. Edward confirmed by the Parliament and Clergie then c. But nothing can bee concluded as a law by Parliament say they without consent of the Clergie there present But this having not their consent cannot be counted a law as they think I had rather saith M. Pilkington leave this to be answered by the Lawyers than otherwise Yet that the world may see that something may be said in it we grant him not this to be true that no law at all can be made without consent of Bishops Look your old statutes of Parliament when Bishops were highest afore Edward the third and ye shall read that they passed by consent of the Lords temporall and commons without any mention of the Lords spirituall which statutes many of them stand in strength at this day Then it may well be gathered that the consent of the Clergie was not alwayes so necessarie as they thinke it The Lawyers Judges and Justicers put in practice and execute these lawes therefore their doings may be a sufficient reason to lead the unlearned what opinion they have of this statutes For Religion except Justice Rastall first executing that and afterward running away may condemne the rest which I trust he may not I thinke they would not execute them except they had the strength and nature of lawes If they doe contrary to their knowledge and opinion they cannot be able to answer their doings but I think no wise men are of this opinion Only these corner creepers that dare not shew their face and would deceive the people go about to deface all good and godly order that displeases them In the dayes of K. Edward they had the like fond opinion that the king could not make lawes in his minoritie untill he came unto full age and to make the people to disobey their Prince Hitherto M. Pilkington L. Bishop of Durisme with whom the most worthy and learned M. Jewell late Bishop of M. Iewel B. of Salisburie Salisburie agreeth in every point The wise and learned faith hee could have told you that in the Parliaments of England matters have evermore used to passe not of necessitie by the speciall consent of the Archbishops and Bishops as if without them no statute might lawfully be enacted but only by the more part of voyces yea although the Archbishops and Bishops were never so earnestly bent against it And statutes so passing in Parliaments onely by the voyces of the Lords temporall without the consent and agreement of the Lords spirituall have neverthelesse beene alwayes confirmed and ratified by the Royall assent of the Prince and have beene enacted and published under the names of the Lords spirituall and temporall Reade saith hee the statutes of King Edward the first there shall ye find that in a Parliament holden at S. Edmundsbury the Archb. and Bishops were quite shut forth and yet the Parliament held on and good and profitable lawes were there enacted the departing or absence or malice of the Bishops spirituall notwithstanding In the Records thereof it is written thus Habito Rex cum suis Baronibus Parliamento Clero excluso statutum est The King keeping a Parliament with his Barons the Clergie that is to say the Archbishops and Bishops being shut forth it was enacted c. In provisione de matrona in the time of K. Edward the third whereas matter was moved of bastardie touching the legitimation of bastards borne before mariage the statute passed wholly with the Lords temporall whether the Lords spirituall would or no. and that contrary to the expresse decrees and canons of the Church of Rome And thus much the most reverend and godly Father M. Iewell Bishop of Salisbury Wherefore to conlude this point against the Admonitors position I dispute thus All those persons who by any necessitie are none of the three estates aâ—d by whose authorities the statutes of England to this day have not stood to leave out the same persons may happily seem a matter of lesse weight than all men do judge it But the Archbishops and Bishops are such persons as by nâ—cessitie are none of the three estates and by whose consents the statutes of England to this day have not stood Therefore to leave out the Archbishops and Bishops may happily seem a matter of lesse weight than all men doe judge it If our Evangelicall Bishops be of that opinion of which the Popish Bishops were viz. that the house of Parliament is an unfit and an unmeet place to have the holy cause of the religion of God debated and concluded upon and that the Laitie without the clergie ought not to conclude any thing in Religion and that in respect hereof their presences their voices and their assents are necessary in the â—arliament If our Evangelicall Prelates I say make this objection then besides that hereby they unseemely unmannerly and unchristianly accuse the whole land of ignorance and blindnesse in religion supposing neither King nor Nobles nor Commons to be able to discern betweene night and day besides this I say so shamefull an abuse of a whole Christian nation I would pray them to remember what the most reverend Fathers Master Pilkington and Master Iewell have answered to such cavillous slanders For what else intended they by many examples and proofes brought for the Parliaments of England consisting of the King the Nobles and the Commons to be lawfull Parliaments and to have right to establish religion but to justifie against Popish scoffers that religion might be conceived and established in Parliament notwithstanding the absence or exclusion of the Clergie Besides since our
of all the Recorders in all other Cities and Boroughs of the land I doubt not but he shall finde them all to have been farre from any least shew of ambitious working the Citizens and townsmen to nominate and elect them Moreover as these noble Persons these sage grave learned and christian Gentlemen quietly and in all peacable maner with upright and good affection and judgement and without ambition have beene chosen by the Citizens Townes-men and Boroughmasters to the office 〈◊〉 â—ecorderships So likewise many and sundry honourable Counsellorâ— have beene and as occasion is Honorable Counselors chosen high stewards without ambitious working ministred are daily elected by Citizens and Townesmen to be their high Stewards Sir Francis Knolles an honourable counsellor and one whose faith was famous among the Churches as well abroad as at home by the election of the citizens of Oxford remained untill he died high Steward of the Citie of Oxford The right honourable Sir Francis Walsingham by the common counsell of Ipswich was made high Steward of the same towne after whose decease the same common counsell by their election surrogated into the same place the right honourable the L. Hunsdon late L. Chamberlain The right honourable S. Christopher Hatton L. Chancelor of England by the townsmen of Cambridge was chosen to be high steward for the town of Camb. The right Ho. the old F. of Arundel and after him the right Ho. E. of Lincoln and after his death the right honourable the L. high Admirall of England now E. of Notingham by the boâ—oughmasters of the town of Gildford was elected to be high steward of the towne of Gildford Of all which honourable persons and of all other their Peeres chosen in other places of the Kingdome by the same meanes to the like offices there is great reason and just cause for the reverend Bishops to carry a more reverend estimation towards them than to burden them as ambitious persons to have sought their places at the hands of men affected and wanting right judgement As for any other offices of credit dignitie charge and government in the common weal now remaining in the choise of the commons it may easily be proved that the common people in sundry places have bent and opposed themselves against ambitious persons who by sinister and indirect meanes have hunted for preferment at their hands And what if it cannot be gain-said but that some publike officers chosen by publike applause of the people have corruptly behaved themselves in their charges and have not so equally and indifferently distributed justice to all degrees as it became them yet this their misdemeanour can no more justly be laid as a fault nor any more disgrace or discountenance the ancient and commendable forme and manner of election than the hypocrisie or counterfeit zeale of an evill man ordained by the bishop to be a Minister can be imputed unto his letters of orders or manner of ordination Besides if none be able Knights of the shires â—â— other officers chosen by the people without trouble to the state to prove that the choise of the Knights of our Shires Coroners of the Counties Verderers of the kings forests resting in the free voices and consents of the freeholders that the nomination of the high Constables being in the disposition of the Justices of peace at their quarter sessions that the choise of our peti-Constables third Boroughs Tythingmen Churchwardens wardens for the highwayes overseers for the poore side men and such like remaining altogether in the free elections of the suitors to courts Leets and lawdayes and of the inhabitants and Parishioners of every Village Hamlet or Tything have beene troublesome to the Lievtenants of the Shires to the Stewards of our Courts to the Lords of our liberties nor to the ordinaries of the Diocesses If I say there be not any one man able to bring forth some few persons for many yeares passed by whome the Officers and Magistrates of the Queens peace have been sued unto and importuned for the pacification of any strife contention or debate of any busie head or ambitious person raised among the people about the choise of any one of these Oficers then I say it is meet and it importeth the Lords Bishops very deeply that for ever hereafter they be silent and never any more utter so Pag. 8. vile a slander against so noble a people as are the people of England viz. that upon affection and want of right judgement they will easily be led by ambitious persons to preferre unworthy persons unâ—o all Offices of gaine or dignitie Or that this Nation of England upon light causes is more enclined to broyle and trouble than any other And to speake the truth as daily experience teacheth us what No feare of trouble about the choice of an ecclesiasticall Officer seare of trouble is there likely any way to ensue by reason of dissention and ambition among the people in the choise of an ecclesiasticall Officer when most of the people shall rather shun and eschew than long or desire to beare any ecclesiasticall office The common people among whom I dwell use oftentimes many delayes yea they procure what favour and friendship they can not to be appointed to any the inferiour Offices before specified And why doe they so but becauâ—e those offices be full of bodily care and trouble And is there then any Christian knowing how the whole soule mind and spirit of a man is altogether to be imployed in the discharge of a spirituall function that will dissentiously and ambitiously seeke to be chosen an Elder The admonitor telleth us that men by experience know that many parishes upon some private respect doe send their letters of earnest pag. 79 commendation for very unfit and unable persons insinuating thereby what an inconvenience might follow if Parishes had the whole direction and order to sound out who were fit and able persons But as this fancie was never yet by any of sound judgement on our behalfe so much as once thought much lesse insisted upon so may it please the reverend Bishops to be advertised that the meanest and simpliest parishioner among a thousand can quickly retort this reason against their Lo. viz. that no parishes by letters of commendation can commend unso any bishop any person as an able and fit man unto any particular parish or speciall charge unlesse the same or some other bishop have formerly ordained him and approved him to bee a fit and able person for every place And how then were it possible if the choice of having one to be their pastor were wholly in the hands of a parish that the same parish could choose any worse men any more ignorant and unlearned men than their Lords have commended unto us For have they not chosen sent and commended such unto us as know not a bee from a batle doore as uneth know to Ministers sent unto the people which know not a be from
B upon a Sunday within a quarter of a yeare last past vvhen the Parishioners of B. vvere assembled together at the said Church to heare Divine Service caused diverse serving men and others to sit in the Pevv or place vvhich properly belonged to the Parson of the said Church so that vvhen the said M. G. came to take his place they thrust him and very disorderly in the time of Prayer kept him out of the said place Item VVe object unto you F. B. that about six yeares past you the said F. brought into the town of B. a bastard child as it is credibly thought of your ovvne and there placed it at nurse and have lately received it into your own house to the great offence of the inhabitants there and the bad example of others Et obijcimus cum duobus de quolibet Subscribed c. Whereunto in the foote of these Articles was added Master B. I pray you let this matter be followed ex officio and the parties presently to be sent for by warrant Subscribed c. Now these Gentlemen according to the Bishops direction being presently sent for by a Pursevant to answer the Articles objected they forthwith make their repaire to the Archbishop with a Copie of the Articles with whom they finde such grace as in their behâ—lfe immediately hee writeth to the Bishop as followeth SAlutem in Christo My very good Lord I have by meanes received these Articles enclosed signed by your Lordships hand and can not but greatly marveile that contrary to the orders of the Commission Court subscribed by your selfe and the rest of the Commissioners Note that the signe of Crosse in Baptisme by an Archbishops opinion is but of small moment and that suspition of bastardy may easily bee dismissed Note that the 17. of October was the Sabath day at what time Arch D. C and D. B. sitting as Commissioners the Arch. took pen inke and crossed the Articles all overthwart and so sent them backe with his Letter you would cause a Gentleman of such a qualitie as Master B. is to be sent for by a Pursevant before the ordinary processe of a Letter missive were served upon him especially for matters of so small moment Neither will it be thought to proceed of any just cause but rather of some other misconceite when it shall be understood that there is a controversie in Law elsewhere depending betweene him and a kinsman of yours And therefore for the avoyding of his further complaint and other offence that may grow thereby I heartily pray your Lordship to suppresse the same and proceed no further therein Desiring you withall to have due consideration of the cause lest I be enforced to deale likewise in the defence of my kinsman as you doe for yours And so praying your Lordship to returne unto me answer hereunto and what you meane to doe with my very hearty commendations I commit you to the tuition of Almighty God From c. the 17. of October c. Subscribed c. Vnto which Letter also was added as followeth Master B. I pray you according to the tener of this Letter to see that this cause of M. G. and F. B. be dismissed from thence and if any be bound to prosecute the cause against them let them understand that I meane to heare it at c. otherwise let it wholly be dismissed and the bands delivered The Bishops Answer to the Archbishops former Letters MAy it please your Grace to understand that I was the more willingly drawne to send for M. B. in that sort because he was oft and of long time accused not onely to be a disordered man himselfe but also a great and open maintainer and carier from place to place of that wrangling Puritan VV. And as it is to bee proved a refrainer from his Church and from the Communion as I am enformed And therefore if wee have omitted any circumstance or ceremonie it is in zeale of the redresse of such a disorderly person Which if it should bee found in your owne brother I thinke your grace would not spare him Neverthelesse if you your selfe take it in hand to his redresse I for my part shall bee intreated so that the man bee amended who hath caried himselfe cutragiously both in that and other things And so referring the whole matter to your graces discretion I take my leave praying God to blesse us in the peace of the Church From c. the 17. of October c. Your Graces most assured in Christ c. Whatsoever speciall cause might move these two great Prelates to stand either of them for the defence of his kinsman is not a thing materiall to this Treatise But this honestly enough may bee averred that it is no very good nor moderate kinde of ecclesiasticall discipline either for the Archbishop and his associates in regard of his kinsman presented to a benefice by the Gentleman to cancell the articles of his colleague and fellow commissioners or for the Bishops upon a splene taken against the Gentleman for standing upon the right of his patronage against his kinsman to violate the publike orders of the high commissioners whereunto he himselfe had subscribed Many other formes of ecclesiasticall discipline of late yeares have beene used by the high commissioners But whether they were all very good and moderate disciplines or no is greatly doubted by many wise learned and godly men And namely it is doubted whether such ecclesiasticall commissioners as by letters patents under the great Seale of England were authorised from the Queen to exercise use occupie and execute all manner of jurisdiction priviledges and preeminences concerning any spirituall or Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction be able to prove unto the Realme that they had lawfull power and authoritie by the statute of 1 Eliz. c. 1 or by the Queenes letters patents made according to the true intent of that statute or by any other law or statute of the Realme to depute and substitute any other person under them to use exercise and execute any part of that jurisdiction ecclesiasticall which by vertue of that statute and letters patents was committed only to their fidelities and discretions And whether it were a very good manner of ecclesiasticall discipline which was used exercised and executed either by the person so deputed or by the Commissioners themselves upon any processe or proceedings made by the said person substituted Againe it is doubted whether it were a good manner of Ecclesiasticall discipline for the high Commissioners to command the Magistrates Ecclesiasticall diâ—cipline against theâ—â— Magistrates of Banbury of the towne of Banburie at the suit of certaine popish companions to reset up a Crosse which by vertue of the Queenes injunctions they had peaceably and lawfully pulled down It is also doubted whether it were a very good manner of Ecclesiasticall discipline for the high Commissioners to detaine Master More one yeare or two in prison depriving him also from his living for
nor only the probate of Wills and granting of administrations but also the cognisance of Ecclesiasticall crimes with power to use the Ecclesiasticall censures Yea and this authority of the execution of Ecclesiasticall censures have those Deanes either long since by some papall priviledges obtained or else by long use prescribed against the Bishops Whereby againe it is cleerely convinced that Episcopall excommunication used in the Church of England is not of divine Institution but only by by humane tradition For were it of divine right then could the same no more bee prescribed or by papall immunity bee possessed than could these Deanes prescribe power or be enfranchised to preach the word or to administer the Sacraments These things have we thus at large and more fully intreaâ—ed of to the end that the Kings Highnesse and His Parliament and all sorts of people might well understand how it is not altogether an unusuall and unaccustomed thing in the Church of England that private and inferiour ministers as they call them in their owne right and in their owne parochiall Parishes without any authority from the Bishop should exercise even the highest censure of the Church And that in sundry places of the Realme there is no preeminence in the matter of the execution of the censures attributed to a Bishop above a Minister Nay which is more than is attributed to a Bishop No more prcheminence given to a B than to a Minister or to a lay man in some places for the use of excommunication above a Lay man yea than to such a lay man who is authorized onely by a lay man to his office Which is evident by Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction and censures exercised a long time by Lay men in the peculiar jurisdictions of Newton Gronbie Anstie Soke of Rothely Evington and other parishes and Hamlectes in the Countie Leycester The Officers of all which places for their spirituall authority having not had any other warrant than such only as hath beene signed sometimes under the hand and seale of the right Honourable the Earle of Huntingdon deceased sometimes of the Honourable Sir Henry Grey Knight sometimes of Henry Skipwith Esquire and sometimes of others For the avoyding therefore of sundry intolerable inconveniences which hetherto hath ensued for want of that authority which the Law setled doth enable every Minister with It is most expedient that all humane authority in the execution of spirituall censures bee utterly taken away and that the divine and Evangelicall censures of Christ bee ministred in every Congregation where learned and godly Pastors with discreet Elders may bee had as from the minde of the Lord they were executed in the Apostolicall and Primitive Church I had almost forgotten to speake of one common and usuall kinde of jurisdiction spirituall in the use of the censures of the Church by the Archbishops which in cases of their Prerogative they have prescribed against the Bishops over the Presbyters and people of every Bishops Diocesse and Archdeacons jurisdiction within their provinces of one other common and usuall kinde of pretensed spirituall jurisdiction and use of the censures which the Archbishop and sometimes the Deane and Chapter sede Archiepiscopali or sede Episcopali vacante exercise and lastly of that spirituall kinde of jurisdiction and censures so called of the Church which Suffraganes and Archdeacons have and doe use As touching which supposed spirituall power both of the Archbishops and Archdeacons because the same their power doth not only belong unto them jure consuetudinario non scripto by unwritten and not by written Law I must conclude against the jurisdiction of the Archbishops Prerogative and against the Archdeacons jurisdiction in all cases as out of St. Cprian King Henry the eighâ— concluded against the Pope viz That their authorities can not bee from Christ Because Christ said ego sum via veritas vita He never said ego sum consuetudo Touching the jurisdiction of the Deane and Chapter the papall Law being abrogated how the same may lawfully now bee used otherwise than by sufferance and consent of the King and Realme I know not But of all spirituall authority exercised at this day in the Church of England the same seemeth to draw most neare to the semblance of the government practised by the Apostles and Primitive Church And might be approved in many points if so be the Deane â—nd Chapter being as it were a Senate of preaching Elders did no more commit the execution of their Ecclesiasticall juridiction to the wisdome of one Vicar generall or principall officiall than they doe put over the leassing of their Lands or dividents of their rents to the only discretion of one of their Bayliffes or Stewardes As for Bishops Suffraganes in England and in Wales how many there may be and what Cities and Townes are to be taken and accepted for their Seas it is at large expressed in a statute made for the nomination of Suffraganes By which statute also wee are given to understand that it remaineth onely in the disposition and liberty of every Archbiâ—hop and Bishop within this Realme c. to name and elect two honest and discreete spirituall persons being learned and of good conversation and them to present unto the King by their writing under their Seales making humble request to give to one such of the said two persons as shall please His Majesty such title name stile and dignity of Bishop of such Seas specified in the said act as the Kings Highnesse shall thinke most convenient for the same so it bee within the same Province whereof the Bishop that doth name him is Besides after such title stile and name given by the King it is said that the King shall preseâ—t every such person by his Letters Patents under his great Seale to the Archbishop of the same Province wherein the Towne whereof he hath his title name stile and dignity of Bishop and that the Archbishop shall give him all such consecrations benedictions and ceremonies as to the degree and office of a Bishops Suffragane shall be requinte It is further enacted and provided that every person nominated elected presented and consecrated according to that act shall be taken accepted and reputed in al degrees and places according to the stile title name and dignity that he shall be presented unto and have such capacity power and authority honour preeminence and reputation in as large and ample manner in and concerning the execution of such Commission as by any of the said Archbishops or Bishops within their Diocesse shall bee given unto the said Suffragane as to Suffraganes of this Realme heretofore hath beene used and accustomed And that no Suffragane made and consecrated by vertue of this act shall take or receive any manner of profits of the places and Seas whereof they shall be named nor use have or execute any jurisdiction or Episcopall power or authority within their said Seâ—s c. but onely such profits jurisdiction and authority as shall