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of_o the_o same_o opinion_n with_o mr._n d._n touch_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n 63._o sect._n 23._o ans_fw-fr 5.1_o p._n 63._o if_o he_o mean_v the_o subscriber_n which_o with_o the_o elder_n be_v the_o best_a part_n of_o his_o church_n their_o complaint_n against_o he_o for_o this_o difference_n show_v how_o far_o they_o differ_v from_o he_o herein_o 3._o if_o he_o mean_v the_o classis_fw-la the_o writing_n of_o the_o five_o dutch_a preacher_n which_o he_o say_v be_v by_o all_o the_o minister_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la 19_o sect._n 19_o with_o one_o consent_n afterward_o approve_v and_o confirm_v will_v witness_v against_o he_o for_o there_o they_o thus_o express_v themselves_o we_o do_v great_o approve_v of_o his_o good_a zeal_n and_o care_n of_o have_v some_o precedent_n private_a examination_n of_o the_o parent_n and_o surety_n of_o these_o child_n in_o the_o christian_a religion_n 12._o sect._n 12._o and_o a_o little_a after_o we_o do_v so_o judge_v that_o this_o fore_n say_v 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and_o diet_n and_o to_o be_v revile_v in_o his_o own_o land_n and_o suspect_v among_o stranger_n and_o to_o be_v ill_o entreat_v oppress_a reject_v and_o in_o print_n traduce_v by_o those_o who_o shall_v have_v comfort_v and_o countenance_v he_o and_o to_o be_v browbeaten_a by_o his_o inferior_n fhy_o look_v upon_o by_o some_o aequal_o treacherous_o circumvent_v by_o other_o obnoxious_a to_o the_o injury_n of_o all_o in_o a_o word_n to_o be_v a_o footstool_n for_o other_o to_o tread_v upon_o that_o they_o may_v raise_v themselves_o by_o do_v some_o service_n though_o it_o be_v by_o rail_v against_o or_o slander_v those_o who_o they_o frown_v upon_o 3.12.18_o psal_n 129.3_o secedamus_fw-la inquit_fw-la amâ—_n cis_fw-la nubecula_fw-la est_fw-la quae_fw-la citò_fw-la evanescit_fw-la socrat_n hyst_n 3.12.18_o from_o who_o they_o expect_v preferment_n as_o erasmus_n say_v of_o luther_n poor_a luther_n make_v many_o rich_a man_n because_o they_o get_v preferment_n in_o those_o day_n by_o 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