Selected quad for the lemma: england_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
england_n	church_n	true_a	worship_n	4,989	5	8.3710	4	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A09441	The churches plea for her right, or, A reply to an answer made of Mr. Iohn Paget against William Best and others wherein the maine points of our present differences are handled and the principall causes of our troubles declared / published by William Best.	Best, William, fl. 1635.; Paget, John, d. 1640. Answer to the unjust complaints of William Best.	1635 (1635)	STC 1973.5; ESTC S151	93,797	110

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