not yet convinced though perhaps himself be nor admonished from these or like reasons to withdraw from publike communion in word or seals or censures is unlawful and sinful Platform of discipline cap. 13. sect 5. Quest 6. But what if there be many wicked and scandalous persons and the Church tolerate them in it ought not the godly to withdraw and depart from such a Church Answ 1. To separate from a Church for want of some Ordinances or to separate from the true worship of God Platforme of Discipline because of the sin of some worshippers is unlawful Mr. Hookers Survey of discipline Preface A. 3. 2. The suffering of profane and scandalous livers to continue in the Church and partake in the Sacrament is doubtless a great sin yet the godly are not presently to separate from it nor to â—bstain from communion with such a Church in the participation of the Sacrament Platforme of discipline chap. 14. sect 8 9. 3. The hypocrisie of sundry members of the Church and toleration of some open scandal doth not presently take away the nature of the Church nor is separation presently to be made from it Mr. Cotton of holiness of Church members pag. 2. line 8. 4. Christ and his Apostles in their times and the Prophets and other godly in theirs did lawfully partake of the Lords commanded Ordinances in the Jewish Church and never taught nor practised separation from the same though unworthy ones were permitted to be therein Platform of discipline chap. 14. sect 8. And the Apostles kept communion with the Jews as a Church notwithstanding their want of faith in Christ Mr. Cotton of Infant Bapt. pag. 56. line 28. And the faithful in the Church of Corinth wherein were many unworthy persons and practises are never commanded to absent themselves from the Sacrament because of the same therefore the godly in like causes are not presently to separate Platform of discipline chap. 14. sect 8. Quest 7. But if I can go to a Church that is more pure and where things are better ordered and more according to the minde of Christ why may I not leave communion with one Church and go to another As suppose I think the Congregational Churches purer then the Presbyterian may I not leave the Presbyterian and joyn to the Congregational Answ We do not judge it safe or meet for any member of a Presbyterian Church Platforme of Discipline forthwith to desert his relation to his Church and betake himself to the fellowship of a congregational Church though he may discern some defect in the estate and government of his own 1. For first Faithfulness of brotherly love in Church relation requires that the members of the Church should first convince their brethren of their sinful defects and duely wait for their reformation before they depart from them for if we must take such a course for the healing of a private brother by way of brotherly love with much meekness and patience how much more ought we to walk with like tenderness towards the whole Church 2. Secondly By the hasty departure of sound members from a defective Church reformation is not promoted but many times retarded and corruption increased whereas on the contrary when sincere members breathing after purity of reformation abide together they may by the blessing of God upon their faithful endeavors prevail much with their elders and neighbors towards a reformation it may be so much that their Elders in their own Church shall receive none to the seals but visible Saints and in the Classes shall put forth no authoritative act touching the members of other Churches but consultative onely nor touching their own but with the consent silent consent at least of their own Church which two things if they can obtain with any holy humble meek faithful endeavors we conceive they might by the grace of Christ find liberty of conscience to continue their relation to their own Presbyterian Churches without scruple Platform of discipline preface pag. 5. line I. Object But we scruple not onely these but many other things As first Your Ministers many of them had their Ordination from the Bishops and they theirs from Rome and so your Ministery is Antichristian and those that are not ordained by Bishops are Ordained by a Classis or Presbytery which is a power forreign and extrinsecal to the Church whose Ministers they are Answ First For the Ministers that were ordained by Bishops take it thus Mr. Cotton The power whereby the Ministers in England do administer the Word and Sacraments is either spiritual and proper essential to their calling or adventitious or accidental The former they have received from Christ by a twofold act of his First He hath furnished many of them with ministerial gifts Secondly He hath enclined the hearts of his people to choose them and call them as in many Parishes in the City and in sundry Market-Towns and elsewhere or at least to accept them and submit to them being commended to them by the Patron The latter power which is adventitious and accidental that which they receive from the Patron who presents them to the Bishop and from the Bishop who ordains and licenseth them to Minister to Christ and to his people This power though it hath been established by the Law of the Land yet it is both adventitious and accidental for the Ministers power is compleat without it and it is also usurped For neither had the law lawful power from Christ to give such power to the Patron and Bishop neither had the Bishop or Patron lawful power to receive it neither could the people then choose their Minister without the leave of their Patron nor induct him into the Church without the ordination or leave of the Bishop Thus when Pyrates have invaded a ship no man in it neither Officer nor Passenger can come by his own goods but by leave of the Pyrate who upon their submission will give them their keyes of their own vessels and chests this power to come to their own goods received from the Pyrate it is not that which gives them true and proper right to enter upon the possession and use of their own goods for that right they had by a former just title which Pyrates cannot disannull Mr. Cotton but it is onely adventitious and accidenttal I need not apply it to the case in hand the application is obvious Mr. Cotton of Infant Bapt. pag. 181. line 25. And as for those Ministers that are ordained by Classes or Presbyteries as you call them I answer first Ordination is a work of rule and pertains to Presbyters Mr. Cotton way of the Churches pag. 49. line 4. And secondly In such Churches where there are no Elders and the Church so desires we see not why imposition of hands may not be performed by the Elders of other Churches Platform of Discipline from N.E. chap. 9. sect 5. Quest 8. May then we who are members of gathered or constituted
of the Church at the Lords Table Mr. Cotton of infant baptism pag. 134. line 12. And this he speaks of as the perfection of the New Hierusalem Hitherto of Church-state now to draw some brief positions and inferences from these particulars 1. The faithful Congregations of England are true Churches of Christ See chap. 3. answer to the first question Therefore not to be departed from nor their communion to be desipised 2. Where Word and Sacraments are duly administred there is a faithful Congregation a true Church See Chap. 3. quest 2. answer the first Therefore such a Congregation may challenge from every member of it what ever duty is owing to any Church of Christ 3. The essence of a true Church is preserved though there be found in it some hypocries and some notoriously scandalous both in judgement and practice See chapter 3. quest 2. answ 4. 4. Though all the members of a particular Church should make but an ignorant hypocritical verbal profession of Christ and faith in him yet there remains not onely the name but the nature of a Church so far that the actions thereof are not null See chap. 3. quest 2. answ 5. Therefore quere whether there be any Congregation in England so ignorant or scandalous as not to be capable of the name and nature of a Church according to this position 5. Promises made to the visible Church are made to it for the sake of the elect that are therein See chap. 3. answ 11. quest 3. 6. God allows none tote cast out of his Church but for obstinacy and heinous crimes against the light of nature See chap. 3. answer to question 4. 7. Such as were baptized in their infancy as they are not to be received to full communion till they make profession of faith and repentance so neither are they to be rejected but suffered to enjoy many priviledges in the Church as Church-watch c. for their healing and amendment chap. 3. quest 5. Therefore the more injurious they who cast off some hundreds of baptized ones in their congregtions and surfer neither them nor their children to enjoy any more Church-privileges than meer Turkes or Heathens CHAP. IV. Of Church-officers and their Ordination Question 1. WHat need is there of Officers in the Church of Christ Answ Though Officers be not necessary to the simple being of Churches when they be called Platforme of Discipline from N. E. yet ordinarily to their calling they are and to their well-being and therefore the Lord Jesus out of his tender compassion hath appointed and ordained officers which he would not have done if they had not been useful and needful for the Church Platform of discipline from New England chap. 6. sect 2. Quest 2. What officers then hath Christ appointed and ordained in the Church Answ These officers were either extraordinary or ordinary extraordinary as Apostles Prophets and Evangelists or ordinary as Elders and Deacons Platform of discipline chap. 6. sect 3. Quest 3. How many sorts of Elders hath Christ appointed in his Church Answ Of Elders who are also in Scripture called Bishops there are two sorts Platforme of Discipline from N. E. some attend chiefly to the Ministry of the Word as the Pastors and Teachers others attend especially unto rule who are therefore called ruling-Elders Platform of discipline Chap. 6. sect 4. Quest 4. Have the Pastor and Teacher a like power in the Ministry of the Word Answ They are alike charged with the preaching of the Word Platforme of Discipline from N. E. and the application thereof and either of them to administer the seals of the covenant unto the dispensation whereof they are alike called as also to execute the censures being a kind of application of the Word Platform of discipline chap. 6. sect 5. Quest 5. Is there any such thing as an outward call necessary to the constituting of a Pastor or Teacher Mr. Hooker Answ 1. It is a standing and a staple rule No man taketh this honour to himself Mr. Hooker but he that is called is Aaron Heb. 5.9 Mr. Hookers Surney of discipline part 2. pag. 42. line 33. 2. Without this call none can warrantably do any act that belongs to any officer Ibid. pag. 45. line 28. 3. Without this whatever is done in that behalf is void and of none effect Ibid. line 30. Quest 6. May none then preach the Word and administer the Sacraments in the Church but the Pastor or Teachers Mr. Cotton Answ We are far from allowing that sacrilegious usurpation of the Ministers office which we hear of to our grief to be practised in some places that private Christians ordinarily take upon them to preach the Gospel publickly and to minister the Sacraments Mr. Cotton of the Keys pag. 6. line 33. It is a frenzy of the Anabaptists that begins to labour with the loathsomnesse of it self that any Christian gifted who can teach or minister a word of instruction to win a Disciple after him that he in a corner may baptize him also whom he hath won to his opinion But as Paul said of Jannes and Jambres their madnesse is made appear to all who are not willing to shut their eyes against the Sunne when it shines in its beauty For if the Lord Christ in his infinite wisdome and Kingly care conceived it necessary for the honour of the place and the execution of the work of the Deacon to appoint choice men and solemn ordination to authorize them to the work that they being called and fitted to the work might be accepted therein of the people and blessed of him who did appoint them to the employment In reason what greater need is there that persons who are peculiarly gifted and furnished with grace and abitity should be called to this work of preaching and dispensing these holy mysteries a service above all other of greatest weight and worth Adde hereunto that the Apostle as by a flaming Sword doth stop the way to all pretenders and therefore layes in this prohibition No man taketh this honour to himself but he that is called of God as Aaron he must have a special call from God who must dare to meddle with a service which is of such peculiar eminence in the house of God yea the Lord himself doth appropriate this and that to some persons whom he puts in place He gave some to be Pastors and Teachers Ephes 4.11 Are all Apostles are all Governours are all Teachers 1 Cor. 12.29 This would bring confusion and so destruction to the whole Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 3. pag. 9. line 8 c. and part 2. page 42. line 23. Object 1. But doth not the Apostle 1 Cor. 14.31 say you may all prophesie one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted Answ 1. That place in the Corniths doth not speak of ordinary private members Mr. Cotton but of men furnished with extraordinary gifts the Members of the Church of Corinth as
Churches hear their Ministers as Ministers of the Gospel and hold communion with them in their Churches Answ We may hold and retain communion with them in baptizing our children as occasion may fall out by absence of our Ministers in their Churches Apologetical Narration They say but do not Mat. 23. and by occasional receiving the Supper of the Lord in their Churches and receiving such member of theirs as are duly qualified unto communion with us occasionally also our Ministers to preach in their Congregations and receive theirs also to preach in ours as Ministers of the Gospel Papers given to the Committee of accommodation by Thomas Goodwin Philip Nye William Bridge Sydrach Simson Ierom. Burroughs pag. 29. line 17. Quest 9. What shall we judge then of the Separatists or Brownists are they of Antichrist Answ Sure their practice is blame worthy 1. Because they separate where Christ keeps fellowship Rev. 1.18 and that he walks with us we argue Mr. Cotton because he is still pleased to dispense to us the word of life and edifies many souls thereby and therefore surely Christ hath fellowship with us and shall man be more pure then his Maker where Christ vouchsafes fellowship shall man renounce it if they be converted where had they their conversion 2. Have not many of Gods servants heretofore kept company with Churches as corrupt as ours are did not Peter and John keep company with their persons and shall they be more pure and curious 3. Christ commands if thy brother offend thee admonish him Mat. 18.17 c. then tell it to the Church and if he hear not the Church let him be unto thee as a heathen or a publican he doth not say let the Church be unto the as a heathen or a publican if the Church hear not thy complaint Now there are many of our Separatists never admonish their brethren nor made their complaint to the Church and if they did and the Church heard them not must they therefore excommunicate the Church and renounce it Therefore unless you finde in it blasphemy or idolatry or persecution there is no just ground of separation Mr. Cottons exposition of the first epistle of John fol. 156. l. 38. Object I. They say our worship is corrupt Answ Suppose there were and are sundry abuses in the Church Mr. Cotton yet that is no safe ground of separation Ezek. 5.11 Ezek. 9.4 So when the sons of Eli corrupted the sacrifices of God their sin was great yet it was the sin of the people to separate and abhor 1 Sam. 2.17 Mr. Cottons Exposition of the first epistle of John fol. 157. line 10. Object 2 They say our government is Antichristian Answ We say it is that Government that expelled Antichrist and sundry have witnessed it with their blood and I say further That there is no such corruption in our state as was in Jerusalem when Christ and his Apostles kept fellowship with them as two high Priests c. Ibid. line 13. Obj. 3. They say our Ministry and Calling is Antichristian Answ We say we do not profess our selves enemies to Christ Mr. Cotton and for our Calling many of us are elected by the peoples approbation or by such as are set up by the King or State and if God bless our Ministry to convert thousands to God it is an evident sign God approves our Calling for if it were Antichristian they would not convert souls unto God Ibid. line 18. Object 4. They say our people are corrupt and some such as Paul bids not to have communion with 1 Cor. 5.11 as drunkards whoremongers and the like Answ We cannot deny but that there are very many corrupt and scandalous persons in our Church But Mr. Cotton 1. Private Christians have no authority to put them out 2. For Ministers if they see it would turn to the dissipation and destruction of the flock it were better to forbear 1 Cor. 5. Mat. 13.29 30. Ezra 4.20 they ceased from building the Temple when there came a command against it O that you were wise to consider these things therefore they had better forbear when it cannot be redressed without greater prejudice to the Church 3. The corruption of some doth not corrupt the Church nor the ordinances of God he that eates and drinks unworthily eats and drinks damnation to himself not to the whole Congregation and you shall finde many Churches as corrupt as the Church of Corinth yet the Apostle would not have them renounce it Mr. Cottons exposition of the first epistle of John fol. 157. line 28. Hitherto of communion with and separation from the Church now to draw some positions from these particulars with some inferences upon them 1. There may be acknowledged an universal visible Church which is the materia prima of particular Political Churches and may in some respects be called the first Church and particular Churches ortae Chap. 4. answ to first and second question Therefore the Catholike visile Church is not a Chimaera nor a chief pillar of Popery as some please to speak 2. Every faithful person yea every one that looketh for salvation by Christ is bound to joyn himself to some or other particular Church of Christ See answ to quest 3. chap. 4. Therefore some or other particular Church is bound to receive every one that looks for salvation by Christ and desires to joyn himself unto them for to say that every Christian is bound to joyn himself to some particular Church and yet no Church bound to receive him is to lay an impossible obligation upon a Christian 3. All the believers of one place be it Town Village or Parish are bound to joyn together in one Church and this order cannot be disturbed without guilt of Schisme and it is most for edification for men to be of the Church that is in the place where they dwell See chap. 4. answ to quest 4. Therefore the practice of those who gather into one Church members dwelling in three four or six several places distant many miles each from other tends not to edification nor cannot be excused from guilt of Schism 4. Peoples joyning with a Parish in choosing and calling a Minister is such an engagement as it is not safe for such to remove from such a Minister but upon such grounds as may give him due satisfaction See chap. 4. answ to quest 5. Therefore they have provided but an uneasie pillow for themselves to lay their heads on another day who have cast off those Ministers with contempt and scorn to the breaking and sadding of their hearts whom themselves chose and called as most of the members of the gathered Churches so called throughout England have done 5. To separate from a Church either out of contempt of their holy fellowship or out of covetousness or for greater enlargements with just grief to the Church or out of Schisme or for want of love or out of a spirit of contention in respect of some
IRENICVM OR AN ESSAY Towards a Brotherly PEACE VNION Between those of the Congregational And Presbyterian Way Shewing out of the most Learned and Renowned Divines of the Congregational Way that their Positions Concerning 1. Church Matters and Members 2. Church Constitution and Form 3. Church State 4. Church Officers and Ordination 5. Church Government and Censures 6. Church Combinations and Synods 7. Communion with and Separation from Churches Are sufficient for the establishing a firme and lasting Peace between them and the Presbyterians Drawn up and published by Discipulus De Tempore Junior In pursuance of the good design begun at the Savoy where it was agreed and declared That such Reforming Churches as consist of Persons sound in the Faith and of Conversation becoming the Gospel ought not to refuse the communion of each other so far as may consist With their own principles respectively though they walk not in all things according to the same Rules of Church Order Canon 29. London Printed for Nathanael Webb and William-Grantham at the black Bear in Pauls Church-yard near the little North-door 1659. THE Preface BUt who would write Irenicums seeing they who attempt it reap usually no other fruit then he who running in between two men that are a fighting with an honest intent to part them and make them friends brings both their fists about his own ears or turns both their swords into his own bosome and maketh them both his enemies at least the prevailing party and he that thinks he hath the better of the cause will take it exceedingly ill as the Lutherans do Pareus his Irenicum which some of them call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the Scotch non Conformists the Irenicum of their Country man Forbes The consideration of this made the Collector of these Papers though often sollicited with thoughts of that he hath now attempted to lay them by till being a little awakened first with the report of some thing towards an accommodation of dissenting parties endeavoured and as they say effected in Cumberland and Westmerland and in other Counties and with an expectation of some thing that was agreed by the Congregational way in their meeting at the Savoy that might conduce to that end he judged it now seasonable to present these Papers to publike view that he might suum conferre symbolum If this may procure a right understanding and composing of the differences between brethren the Collector hath his desire and reward if it fail and miss that end yet he hopes his reward is with the Lord having this testimony in his own conscience that in singleness of heart he hath managed this cause not knowingly or willingly falsifyng and wresting the words of those reverend men whom he cites from which crime if his own protestation be not enough to clear him thou shalt by and by Reader have the deposition of two sufficient witnesses If thou wilt not believe them neither get the Books and trust thine own eyes If any say these authors elsewhere express themselves otherwise all that I answer is that my design and work was not to reconcile them to themselves but if I could to their Presbyterian Brethren which how far it is done read but read with understanding and without prejudice and then judge Thine in the Lord D. T. The Attestation WE have examined all the several Quotations here alledged by the Books out of which they were taken and finde them to be punctually and syllabically true and that there is no falsification nor violation of them and this we being persons no wayes interested in the controversies between the Presbyterian and Congregational Brethren nor engaged to either Party Testifie under our hands L. K. R. N. To the Judicious Reader AMongst the manifold divisions both in Church and State whereby England hath been and still is damnified and endangered the doleful differences betwixt Presbyterians and Independants are not the least nor least lamented by gracious hearts as in other respects so because the loud noise thereof both from the Pulpit and the Press doth cause their adversaries sinfully to rejoyce 2 Sam. 1.20 In this regard the Popish the prophane and Prelatical party do encourage their hopes that the good work of Covenanted Church-Reformation in England Scotland and Ireland will ere long wither and come to nothing True it is that as neither kingdom nor house so no other society divided against it self can stand Mark 3.24 25. for division maketh way for dissipation Gen. 49.7 Upon this account in pursuance of that Machivilian Maxim Divide impera the Jesuited Papist and the self-seeking Statist do vigorously endeavor to maintain and encrease our divisions in matters of Religion at this day errors and contentions which are like tares hindring the growth of grace amongst Christians Mat. 13.23 are sowed by the Divel their implacable enemy And it is an expression of great displeasure from the Lord when the evil spirit is sent or suffered so far to prevail upon them which should be one in mutual amity that they in passion deal treacherously one with another Judg. 9.23 As it cannot be denyed but that animosities causing sad separations may be found amongst good men For the contention between Paul and Barnabas was so sharpe that they departed asunder one from the other so experience amongst our selves confirmeth Act. 15.39 what Solomon long since asserted A brother offended is harder to win than a strong City and their contentions are like the bars of a Palace In the late Assembly of Divines called together by Authority of Parliament many hours yea days were run up in serious debates that the Presbyterians and their dissenting brethren might be reconciled in matters of Church discipline And since that time many books have been publish't by godly Ministers of both perswasions to drive on that good design but the end intended hath not hitherto been accomplisht Now the good hand of the Almighty the God of Peace hath stirred up the heart of a faithful and able Minister of the Gospel whose name would adde authority to this work though he see cause to conceal it in a new way to attempt a brotherly agreement His design is to stitch up our rents and to heal our breaches by discovering the concessions and positions of the chief Patrons of the Congregational way that in reference to Church constitution of members and officers and in reference to Church administrations by Classes and Synods there is not so great opposition betwixt the Presbyterians and them as the Independent Brethren here amongst us do pretend and publish And let the indifferent Reader who is not byassed with prejudice and partiality judge whether there be not much ingenuity with meeknesse of wisdom and solidity of judgement in the Narrative and inferences herein tendred without any unbrotherly reflections or bitter exasperations The whole Treatise both in regard of the matter and manner of managing it speaketh the Author to be a man of
Peace That this his undertaking might be the more successeful he produceth and improveth the judgement of those Divines onely whose parts and piety have rendred them eminent who also have published to the world their apprehensions in this Controversie viz. Mr. Cotton Mr. Hooker Mr. Norton Mr. Shepherd together with the Platform of Church-Government in N. Engl. which was attested by all the Elders convened in a National Assembly there and because the names of Mr. Cotton and Mr. Hooker are superlatively famous in the Churches of Christ therefore their judgement is most frequently insisted upon During their abode in old England they were of one mind heart and way with the good old Non conformists who were real Presbyterians so far as the Brethren of their most intimate acquaintance did conceive and it is strongly believed that they would not have left their native Country for conscience sake in case they might have been freed from the unsupportable yoak of Episcopal subscription and conformity whereof this may be a probable evidence that very few if any Non-conformists of special note who stayed in England ever turned Independents As for the most if not all of our English Independents they did at once step over the heads of Non-conformists from conformity unto Independency or as reverend Mr. Ball was wont with dislike to express it they did at one jump leap out of the Surplice and Church Assemblies also Our brethren of the Savoy Assembly are too lavish in nominating some worthy men as favorites of their cause for no other reason yet appearing but because they were known Non-conformists Dr. Reynolds by appearing at the Hampton-court conference discovered himself a friend unto Non-conformity but he was ever opposite to them who made a Schism in or from the Church of England Dr. Chadderton also a known Non-conformist did dislike separation from the Church of England Dr. Whittaker and Mr. Perkins also were of his judgement And it would be no hard task to undertake the nomination of many Non-conformists who publikely in print have witnessed their hearty dislike of all wayes of separation from the Congregations in England notwithstanding the sinful mixtures in them vid. Mr. Cartwright Mr. Travers Mr. Hildersam Master Dorrel Master Bradshaw Master * Vide Mr. Balls answer to Mr. Cans book intituled Necessity of Separation from Non-conformists grounâ—s Ball and Mr. Rathband Mr. Hildersam did much grieve when he understood that the Brethren in New England did depart from the Presbyterian Government and he said This mischief had been prevented if my counsel at Mr. Higginsons going over had been taken which was that brethren driven thither by Episcopal persecution should agree upon the Church Government before they depart from hence And it is well known that many Presbyterian non-conformists did by a letter sent unto New England bewaile their departing in practice as they heard from the way of Church government which they owned here As heretofore Mr. Parker Mr. Knew-stubs Mr. Udall Mr. Sherwood Mr. Fen Mr. Egerton Mr. Balmford Mr. Baines Mr. Foord and the many scores suspended in Q. Eliz. and K. James's reign so of later times Mr. Dod Mr. Cleaver Mr. Wight Mr. Bourne Mr. Pierson as also Mr. Hinde Mr. Nicolds Mr. Langley whom Bishop Morton mentioneth in his Defence of Ceremonies as Non-conformists Were Presbyterians and utterly against even Semi-separation Unto these might be added Mr. John Paget Mr. Pot Ministers of the Reformed English Church at Amsterdam and Mr. Hering with Mr. Thomas Paget their Successors The godly Ministers of Scotland are generally Non-conformists but the world knoweth that they are Antagonists to Independency And is it not probable that if Mr. Cotton and Mr. Hooker had stayed in their Native Countrey they would not have been at such a distance from Church-fellowship with their Presbyterian Brethren as old England Independents are For doubtless their conscientious tendernesse would have wrought them to practices answerable unto their judgement held forth in this book These two Worthies all their life long were studious and laborious in the Work of the Ministry they were Patterns of Humility Meeknesse Love self-denial and all pious practices in their Families Relations and whole Conversation By them Gods Ordinances publickly Administred were highly prized constantly frequented and the Sabbath strictly observed as holy to the Lord. They neither covetously nor vain-gloriously sought great things in the world by ingrossing places of Honor command and profit for themselvs The life of faith and the power of godlinesse shined most gloriously in them all their dayes and how few in old England who boast of these Worthies as their Predecessors in wayes of Independency do merit such a character of commendation let them determin who are best acquainted with their conversation in their several stations and capacities And when this book hath been seriously perused let the Judicious Reader give sentence whether in their Church-administrations they be not so unlike unto them that they must either disclaim their Patronage or change their present practices It is a high commendation given of learned Mr. Calvine that in his Institutions Commentaries and other works he doth sibi constare always agree with himself whereas many others especially such who are much versed in Polemical debates do often cross shins with themselves through inconsiderateness or forgetfulness This is not spoken to cast reproach upon any good man but to give an Item unto all wisely to weigh what they Puhlish and what they Practice The Peace-makers are blessed but those that sowe discord amongst brethren are an abomination to the Lord. Mâ—â— 5.9 Prov. 6.19 The wisdom which is from above is first pure then peaceable gentle easie to be intreated Therefore follow peace and holinesse Lâ—â— 3.17 Love the truth and peace Consider what is said Heb. 12.14 â—ath 8.19 and what may be suggested in this ensuing Treatise and the Lord give a right understanding in all things An Advertisement to the READER LEt the Reader take notice that these words in the second line of the fourth page Nations holy by Covenant therefore Churches and these words in the fifteenth line of the same page and according to this sense may we not say Saint Saul Saint Demas Saint Judas and that a Church made up of such as these is a Church of Saints Both these sentences should have been put in the margent being not the words of the Reverend Author there cited but Observations which the Collector conceived he might justly make upon his words IRENICVM OR AN ESSAY Towards a Brotherly PEACE and UNION CHAP. I. Of the matter of a Church under the New Testament and who are fit to be Church-members Question I. WHat is the matter of a Church now in the New Testament Answ The Church of the Old Testament consisted of no other matter than of such as professed the faith of the God of Israel and of their seed and the Church of the New Testament consisteth of the like Mr.
Churches Church Officers or members See answer to question 13. Therefore they make desperate snares for their consciences and the consciences of others that say none may be Officers or members of a Church but such as are really converted ones 13. God approved Saul and Jehu to be admitted to their kingdom though he did not approve their persons or way of administring their kingdom See the answer to question 15. So by a parity of reason we may conclude that God approves some men to be admitted officers or members of the Church whose persons and wayes he doth not approve 14. It cannot be made good by Scripture-light that none have right to the covenant and external priviledges thereof but as they appear to be in Christ by some effect of faith declaring the same See answer to the last question Therefore to reject any for want of evidence of faith is not warrantable by the word CHAP. II. Of the Form and constitutions of a Church Question 1. WHether had the Church of England ever a true constitution Answ To say that the Church of England never had any true constitution Mr. Cotton is a rash and a false speech rash for can you say it or do you know it because you were then born or because the number of your dayes is great as God questioneth with Job in another case Iob 38.21 Or have you found such a matter by reading of ancient records and stories If you dare credit them as doubtless they are more worthy of credit that lived near those times and had the view of antient records then some of your later books who speak either out of partiality to Rome as the Jesuites or out of prejudice against the state of the Church of England some rigid Separatists do But those antient records will tell you that England received the faith of Christ by Ioseph of Arimathea and Simon Zelotes and others of those primitive Apostolick Saints who doubtless planted Churches not after the pattern of Antichrist but after the manner of the Apostles Mr. Cotton of infant Baptism pag. 186. line 3. Therefore to say the Church of England never had a true constitution is not onely rash but falsâ— for the Churches of England were rightly gathered and planted at the first Mr. Cottons way of the Church pag. 111. line 26. Quest 2. But have nâ—t the Churches of England been wofully corrupted since by Antichristian usurpations and innovations Answ 1. Yes yet that did not cast them into a worse estate than the ten tribes in Israel under Ieroboam and his successors especially under Ahab and Iâ—sabel Mr. Cotton and the time succeeding them when yet God owned them for his Church and their circumcision was not a nullity Mr. Cotton of Infant Bapt. pag. 187. line 9. 2. For the Church now in being most of their members had their admission into the Church sealed in Baptism For many children are born in the Church to whom the pastor is by office a Pastor and whose conversion he is bound to attend and intend Mr. Cotton of holinesse of Church-members pag. 51. line 21. And their baptism seals to them their initiation into Church-membership Ibi. pag. 96. line 31. Quest 3. But they who are now Church-members were baptized upon the account of the baptism of their forefathers and they that is their forefathers were bap ized under Antichrist and so their baptism was a stone lying in Antichrists foundation and how can this give right of admission into the Church of Christ Answ The baptism of believers and of their seed is no more a stone lying in Antichrists foundation then is the doctrine of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost Mr. Cotton three persons in one God into which we and our children are baptized That and other Gospel-ordinances they were in Rome but as the vessels of the temple were in Babylon reserved for the use of the Church after their return Mr. Cotton of Infant baptism pag. 163. line 28. Quest 4. But to the true and right constitution of a Church entring into covenant is necessary is it not Answ 1 That was done in King Edward and Queen Elizabeths days Mr. Cotton and whereas they say our Church is but a Parliament constitution that doth not weaken but establish our Church Mr. Cotton on the 1 Epist of Iohn 2 chap. 19 vers page 157. line 43 44 amp c. 2. The substance of the Church constituting covenant is keâ—t where there is a real agreement and consent of a company of faithful persons to meet constantly together in one Congregation for the publike worship of God and their mutual edification which agreement and consent they do express by their constant practice of coming together for the publike worship of God and Religious subjection to the Ordinances of God Their Platform of Church discipline agreed upon by the Elders and messengers of the Churches in New England chap. 4. sect 4. 3. The people in the Parishes of England where there is a Minister put upon them by the Patron or Bishop they constantly hold them to the fellowship of the people of such a place attend all the Ordinances there used and the dispensation of the Minister so imposed upon them submit thereunto perform all services that may give countenance and encouragement to his person in the work of his Ministry By such actions and a fixed attendance upon all such services they declare that consent and covenant by their practice which others do hold forth by publike profession Mr. Hooker Survey of discipline part 1. pag. 47. line 36. Quest 5. What then is the work that is now to do in the Churches of England Answ The work which is now to do in the Churches of England is not to make Churches where there were none Mr. Cotton but to reduce them to their first primitive institution Mr. Cotton way of the Churches pag. 151. line ult Hitherto of the constitution and form of a Church Now out of this I shall also draw some few plain positions with some inferences 1. To say that the Church of England never had a true constitution is a rash and false speech See chapter 2. answer to the first question 2. The Antichristian usurpations and innovations that have overgrown the Church of England have not nullified the first constitution of it See chapter 2. answer to question 2. 3. The baptism administred and received in the Church of England is no more Antichristian then the doctrine of the Trinity See chapter 2. answer to question the third Therefore they are condemned who refuse to be present in our assemblies when baptisme is administred 4. Not onely baptisme but other Gospel-Ordinances were reserved in Rome for the use of the Church in after times as the vessels of the temple in Babylon See chap. 2. answer to quest 3. Thence quere why not ordination reserved there for the Churches use as well as baptism and yet no more Antichristian then baptism 5. The
engaging of the people to reformation by Edward the sixth and Queen Elizabeth had the vertue of a covenant to constitute the Church See Chapter second answer to question the fourth Therefore much more the late solemn league and covenant 6. Peoples ordinary and fixed attending together upon one Ministery and joyning ordinarily together in the duties of publike worship hath the nature and vertue of a Church covenant See chap. 2. answ to quest 4. And therefore they who most urge the necessity of a covenant cannot condemn our Parochial assemblies as no Churches for want of such a covenant 7. The work now to do in England is not to make Churches where none are but to reduce them to their primitive institution See chap. 2. answ to quest 5. Therefore they who have troubled themselves and the Church so much with constituting and gathering new Churches have troubled themselves and others with a work they have nothing to do withall and so have cause to fear that the Lord Christ will say unto them another day Who hath required this at your hands CHAP. III. Of Church State Question 1. WHat think you of the Assemblies and Congregations of England Answ The faithful Congregations in England are true Churches of Christ Mr. Hooker Survey of discipline preface a 3. Mr. Hooker Quest 2. But what is meant by faithful congregations Answ 1. There is the nature of a true visible Church where the word of God is purely preached Mr. Cotton the Sacraments duely administred with discipline also according to the word of God But then the Sacrament must not be administred to undue persons such as are the ignorant and scandalous nor the ignorant and scandalous must not be admitted into the Church if discipline be rightly administred yea though all these do not concur joyntly yet the essence of a true Church may be found though defective for integrity Mr. Cotton Holinesse of church-members pag. 10. line 17. 2. For where there hath been a Church that hath yeelded professed subjection to the Gospel of Christ then in case a settled Ministry be continued there God still continues a true visible Church there Mr. Cotton holiness of Church-members pag. 5. line 12. And the essence of a true visible Church is preserved though there be found in it some hypocrites and some notoriously scandalous both in judgement and practice Mr. Cotton holiness of Church-members p. 19. l. 1. 3. Neither doth the hypocrisie of sundry members of the Church and the toleration of some open scandals presently take away the nature of the Church Mr. Cotton holiness of Church-members pag. 2. line 8. 4. For the members of the Church though orderly constituted may in time grow corrupt which though they ought not to be tolerated in the Church yet their continuance therein through the defect of the execution of discipline and Church-censures doth not immediately dissolve the being of the Church as appears in the Church of Israel and in the Churches of Galatia Corinth Pergamus and Thyatira Platform of discipline from New England chap. 3. sect 3. 5. Yea if all the members of the Church should make but an hypocritical ignorant and verbal profession of Christ and faith in him yet I will not deny but such a society may have the name of a Church and thus far the nature of it that the actions thereof are not null Mr. Cotton holiness of Church-members p. 62. l. 33. Quest 3. But there are many precious promises made to and many glorious things spoke of the Church of Christ and can they be truely applied to such a Church as this Answ Look what promises are made to the invisible Church Mr. Cotton they are for their sakes offered to all the members of the visible whereof the lively are the chief Mr. Cotton of infant baptisme p. 6. l. 9. 2. It is one thing to prophesie of the transcendent glorious happiness of an exact pure Church in some age of it another to command and foretell the perpetual continuance of it in such a degree of purity Mr. Cotton of infant bapt p. 134. l. 20. Quest 4. But were it not better therefore to gather the Saints those that are really gracious and holy into bodies by themselves separate from the rest that are corrupt members Answ This were upon the point to cast them upon supposal that these corrupt members be such as receive her membership in their infancy out of the Church Mr. Cotton and the Lord hath allowed but two causes for the casting off any person out of the Church first obstinacy persisted in after the admonition foâ— an offence first private Mat. 18.17 Secondly breaking ouâ— into some heinous crime against the light of nature 1 Cor. 5.11 Mr. Cotton holiness of Church-members p. 56. l. 21. Quest But if such members as these are be not to be cast out nor withdrawn from what is to be done Answ Such as are born of Christian parents and baptized in their infancy into the fellowship of the Church Mr. Cotton are initiated members of the same Church though destitute of spiritual grace untill they justly deprive themselves of the priviledge of that fellowship for even of such is the Kingdom of God Mark 10.14 Mr. Cotton holiness of Church-members pag. 1. line 16. 2. Such members of the Church as were born in the same and received their membership in their infancy by vertue of the covenant of their parents when growing to years of discretion they desire to be made partakers of the Sacrament of the Lords Supper unto which because holy things are not to be given to the unworthy therefore it is requisite that these as well as others should come to their tryal and examination and manifest their faith and repentance by an open profession thereof before they be received to the Lords Supper or otherwise not to be admitted thereto Platform of discipline from New England chap. 12. sect 7. 3. Yet these Church members that were so born or received in their child-hood before they are capable of being made partakers of full communion have many priviledges which others not Church-members have not they are in covenant with God have the seal thereof upon them to wit baptisme and so if not regenerate are in a more hopeful way of attaining regenerating grace and all the spiritual blessings both of the covenant and seal they are also under Church-watch and so consequently subject to the reprehensions admonitions and censures thereof for their healing and amendment as need shall require Platform of discipline chap. 12. sect 7. Infants though born in the Church yet if when they grow up to years they shall degeenrate into a prophane or scandalous course they shall not be tolerated to abide in the Church yea if they shall not take hold of the covenant of their fathers but content themselves in an ignorant civil worldly course of life they shall not be allowed to enter into the holy communion with the sincere members
of many other Churches in the primitive times were enriched with all knowledge and in all utterance 1 Cor. 1.5 and the same persons which had the gift of prophesie in the Church of Corinth had also the gift of tongues which put upon the Apostle a necessity to take them off from their frequent speaking with tongues by preferring prophesie before it 1 Cor. 14. from ver 2. to 24. so that though all they might prophesie having extraordinary gifts for it yet the like liberty is not allowed to them that want the like gifts In the Church of Israel none besides the Priests and the Levites did ordinarily prophesie either in the Temple or in the Synagogues unlesse they were either furnished with extraordinary gifts of Prophessie as the Prophets of Israel or were set apart and train'd up to prepare for such a calling as the sons of the Prophets When Amos was forbidden by the high Priest of Bethel to prophesie at Bethel Amos doth not alledge nor plead the liberty of an Israelite to prophesie in the holy Assemblies but alledgeth only his extraordinary calling Amos 7.14,15 It appears also that the sons of the Prophets that is that men set apart and train'd up to prepare for that calling were allowed the like liberty 2. But neither the sons of the Prophets nor the Prophets themselves were wont to offer sacrifices in Israel except Samuel and Elias by special direction nor did the extraordinary Prophets in Corinth take upon them to administer the Sacraments Mr. Cotton of the Keyes page 20. line 16. Object 2. But if the Prophets in the Church of Corinth had been ended with extraordinary gifts of Prophesie they had not been subject to the judgment of the Prophets which these are directed to be 1 Cor. 14.22 Answ It follows not for the people of God were to examine all Prophesies by the Law and Testimony Mr. Cotton and not to receive them but according to that rule Isa 8.20 Yea and Paul himself referred all his doctrine to the Law and the Prophets Acts 26.22 And the Bareans are commended for examining Pauls doctrine according to the Scripture Idem pag. 21. line 14. Quest 7. But though every private Christian may not yet may not the Magistrate either inferiour or supreme preach and administer the Sacraments hath not he a power Paramount Answ As it is unlawful for Church-Officers to meddle with the Sword of the Magistrate Platforme of Discipline from N. E. so it is unlawful for the Magistrate to meddle with the work proper to Church-Officers the acts of Moses and David who were not only Princes but Prophets were extraordinary therefore not imitable Against such usurpation the Lord witnessed by smiting Uzziah with leprosie for presuming to offer incense Platforme of Discipline from New Engl. chap. 17. sect 5. Imberare that is to rule and praedicare that is to preach are not compatible that is cannot agree to one and the same person hath been a ruled case admitting no contradiction in an ordinary way Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 1. page 13. line 25. Quest 8. You we even now mentioning Ordination are then these Officers which Christ hath appointed in his Church to be ordained to their Office Answ Church-Officers are not only to be chosen by the Church Platforme of Discipline but also to be ordained by imposition of hands and prayer with which at the Ordination of Elders fasting also is to be joyned Platforme of Discipline from New England chap. 9. sect 4. Quest 9. But is not Election alone enough without Ordination Answ No for as Dr. Ames saith Election gives jus ad rem Ordination gives jus in re Mr. Hooker Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipilne part 2. page 40. line penult Quest 10. Is then the right of Ordination immutable Answ That which is a fundamental point of Religion Mr. Hooker that hath divine institution and so becomes immutable unlesse Christ himself repeal it Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 1. page 7. line 21. But Ordination is a fundamental point of Religion Heb. 6. Laying on of hands being by a Metonymie of the adjunct put for Ordination Mr. Hooker part 1. pag. 7. l. 21. Quest 11. To whom then doth the power of ordaining Officers in the Church of Christ belong Answ 1. Ordination is an act of rule Mr. Cotton and pertains to the Presbyters Mr. Cotton way pag. 49. l. 4. 2. When the Churches are rightly constituted and compleated with all the orders and officers of Christ the right of Ordination belongs to the teaching Elders the act appertains to the Presbytery constituted of teaching and ruling Elders Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 2. pag. 76. l. 1. Quest 12. But what if there be no Elders in the Church who shall ordain the Officers then Answ In such Churches where there are no Elders and the Church so desire Platforme of Discipline we see not why imposition of hands may not be performed by the Elders of other Churches Platforme of Disc from N. E. chap. 9. sect 5. Quest 13. Are the Word and Sacraments to be dispensed by the Ministers thereof only in publick or in private also Answ They must be dispensed publickly in the presence Mr. Hooker and with the concurrence of the Church solemnly assembled It is not in the power of the Church to confine preaching to corners for wisdome cryeth openly in the strâ—ets Prov. 8.2 3. And of old the Church of the Jewes erected Synagogues in every City besides the Temple at Hierusalem for the hearing and preaching of the Word And the Apostle as he compares the Supper of the Lord to their ordinary supper so he opposeth manifestly the Church or Congregation to the private house and declareth that the Lords Supper should be celebrated in the Congregation as the banquet should be kept in their private house Yea the scope and nature of the Ordinance calls for such an administration for since the Sacraments are badges to shew our separation from all other profane societies and to signifie our communion one with another visibly in the profession and confession of the faith as our spiritual union and communion with Christ our head myistcally therefore the administration of them should be such as should suit the nature of the Ordinances and serve the end of it And therefore it is that in times of persecution when the Church dares not nor is meet she should shew her self to the enemy yet not then is the Word nor Sacraments privately preached nor administred neither yet ought to be for though they be done in the house of a private man yet because they are and ought to be administred in the presence of the Congregation there is neither private preaching nor private celebrating of the Sacrament Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 3. pag. 28. line 15 c. Quest 14. To whom are the Pastors and Teachers of the Church to dispense the Sacraments Answ A person hath his first
right to a Sacrament because he hath an interest in the Covenant of the Gospel Mr. Hooker of which it is a seal but he must come to it in a right order of Christ that is the party must be a Member of a visible Congregation because the seals can there only be rightly and orderly administred I say it is sufficient the party be a member of a visible Congregation not this or that particular Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 2. pag. 65. l. 26. Yet it is requisite that such members of a particular Church as were baptized and received their membership in their infancy should come to their tryal and examination and manifest their faith and repentance by an open profession thereof before they come to the Lords Supper or else not be admitted thereunto Platforme of Discipline from New England chap. 12 sect 7. Quest 15. How is this tryal and examination to be made Answ In case any through excessive fear or other infirmity Platforme of Discipline be unable to make the relation of their spiritual estate in publick it is sufficient that the Elders having received private satisfaction make relation thereof in publick before the Church they testifying their assent thereunto this being the way that tendeth most to edification Platforme of Discipline chap. 12. sect 4. And this is necessary for some and warrantable for all women it is most without exception to receive all women after the same manner Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 3. pag. 6. line 37. Quest. 16. But may those that are members of one Church partake of the Sacraments in another Answ The members of one Church occasionally coming to another Platforme of Discipline we willingly admit them to partake with us at the Lords Table it being the seal of our communion not only with Christ nor only with the members of our own Church but with all the Churches of the Saints Platform of Discipline chap. 15. sect 4. Quest 17. But this priviledge is restrained only to members of gathered Churches is it not Answ The members that come commended from the faithful Congregations in England to ours here Mr. Hooker so that it doth appear to the judgment of the Church whence they come that they are by them approved and not scandalous they ought to be received into Church communion with us as members of other Churches in New Engl. in like cases so commended and approved Hookers Survey Preface A. 3. Quest 18. Are the administrations of men outwardly called to the work of the Ministry valid though the persons themselves be destitute of inward sanctity and saving grace Answ Who ever in a regular way hath received this outward call Mr. Hooker is a compleat and true officer and may act any part of his office though not inwardly graced and fitted worthily for such a place and work by God The Scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses Chaire had this outward call to that office therefore they must be heard by Gods own charge though they were most unworthy men had neither sufficiency of parts to do the work of the place nor yet sincerity of heart and life to endeavour much lesse to discharge the weight of the services which should be done by them being blinde guides painted sepulchres grossely hypocritical and scandalously vile in their general course corrupting the Law by their false and unlearned glosses and perverting the simple by their lewd carriages polluting all Gods Ordinances by their corrupt handling and administration thereof Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 2. pag. 45. line 34. Quest 19. Is the office of the ruling Elder distinct from the Pastour and Teacher Answ The ruling Elders office is distinct from the office of the Pastour and Teacher Platforme of Discipline Platform of Discipline from N. E. chap. 7. sect 1. Quest 20. Why is this officer called a ruling Elder Answ The ruling Elders are not so called to exclude the Pastors and Teachers from ruling Platforme of Discipline but because ruling and governing is common to these with the other whereas attending to teach and preach the Word is peculiar to the former Platform of Disc chap. 7. sect 1. Quest 21. How do you prove that there is such an Office as a ruling Elder appointed by Christ in the Church Answ That there is such an office and officer appointed by Christ Mr. Hooker as the Scriptures are plain to him whose spirit and apprehension is not pre-possess't and fore-stalled with prejudice so this hath been maintained by many of Christs worthies of former and of later times So that we have no controversie here but with hierarchical persons the force of whose argument lies especially in a pursevant and a prison armed with authority of a high Commission Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 2. p. 8. l. 11. Quest 22. But what Scripture have you to bottome this office upon Answ The first argument we have from Rom. 12.7 Mr. Cotton He that ruleth with diligence Mr. Hooker part 2. p. 8. l. 28. Mr. Hooker Mr. Cotton of the way of the Churches pag. 13. line 31. The second argument is taken from 1 Cor. 12.28 God hath set in his Church governments Mr. Hooker part 2. page 10. line 15. Mr. Cotton of the way of the Churches page 15. line 29. A third argument is taken from that famous place which is full to the purpose Let the Elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour 1 Tim. 5.17 Mr. Hookers Survey part 2. page 11. line 25. Mr. Cottons way page 19. line 17. Quest 23. What is the work of the ruling Elder Answ The ruling Elders work is to joyn with the Pastour and Teacher in those acts of spiritual rule which are distinct from the Ministery of the Word and Sacraments committed to them Platforme of Discipline of which sort are these that follow 1. To open and shut the doors of Gods house by admission of members ordination of officers excommunication of offenders restoring of penitents 2. To call the Church together when there is occasion and seasonably to dismisse them again 3. To prepare matters in private that in publick they may be carried on with lesse trouble and more speedy dispatch 4. To moderate the carriage of all matters in the Church assembled to propound matters to the Church to order the season of speech and silence to pronounce sentence according to the minde of Christ with the consent of the Church 5. To be guides and leaders to the Church in all matters whatsoever pertaining to Church-administrations and actions 6. To see that none in the Church live inordinately and out of rank and place without a calling or idly in their calling 7. To prevent and heal such offences in life or doctrine which might corrupt the Church 8. To feed the flock of God with a word of admonition 9. And as they shall be sent for to visit and pray over their sick brethren 10.
but saith he Tell me 1 Tim. 5.20 Now this is sad when a man cannot bear reproof of others nor bear reproofs of Elders but turns again and will be judge in his own case though never so gross a sign of an extream froward high spirit Mr. Shepherd pag. 108. 7. They are to feed in power as the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies every one in their places Hence when men despise their food and they are poor things they speak and they can see no matter in them and that after study prayers and tears and so cast it by that is to cast off the Lord when men grow glutted and full that they eat not a bit these things call for chains Mr. Shepherd pag. 109. Quest 25. But why are you thus large in setting out the work and power of the ruling elder Answ 1. Because the Apostle in many of his Epistles lays a special charge upon the people to have a care of the Officers Mr. Shepherd and obey them Heb. 13.7 17. It is twice repeated first least officers be sadded in their work that is heavy Secondly least it be unprofitable for you you think to get this and that good by it but it will be nothing in the conclusion 2. Because we lye under the slander of many and that godly as if Elders in Churches were but onely ciphers 3. Because people begin to run into extreams Elders taking all to themselves and people all to themselves 4. Because if here be not attendance you will quickly see the miserable ruine and fall of Churches more sad than the burning of Solomons temple It is observed of Jeroboam that when he stretched out his hand against the Lords Prophet it was withered but not when he sacrificed for the Lord will not bear here they may be despised and you may think your selves Kings without them 1 Cor. 4.8 and men will say so they may rule as they will but you will do as you list but the Lord will be provoked for this Mr. Shepherd his wholesome caveat for a time of liberty pag. 109 110. Quest 26. But seeing there is such plain ground in Scripture for the office of the ruling Elder and seeing it is so useful and necessary in the Church what is the reason there is so much gainsaying and opposing this office Answ 1. Mr. Hooker It is no wonder to see the contention grow so hot touching a ruling Elder because if he be confined within his compass the wings of the Pope and Prelate will be exceedingly clipped arid their power empeached Mr. Hookers Survey of discipline part 2 pag. 12. line 8. 2. All Satans subtilty lies here Disgrace the Elder saith one divide them saith another pull them down saith a third that there may be no King in Israel no nor in Sion that we may do what is right in our own eyes Mr. Shepherds wholesome caveat pag. 110. line 19. Quest 27. What say you of the other Officers called Deacons Answ Mr. Cotton All men do acknowledge them both to be instituted by Christ in the Scriptures Act. 6. 1 Tim. 3. and continued in the Church throughout all ages Mr. Cotton of the way pag. 38. line 7. Mr. Hookers Survey part 2. 32. Platform of discipline chap. 7. sect 3 4 c. Quest 28. VVhat is the Deacons office Answ His Office is to attend tables i. e. to lay out the treasury and revenue of the Church as may be behoveful 1. For to provide elements for the Lords table when that should be attended 2. For the table of the poor for all their wants that they may be supplied whether of their own bodie or strangers Mr. Cotton of the way pag. 38. line 26.3 For the table of the Minister whatever provision the Church shall put into their hands to be administred to them according to that debt which the Church owes them in way of wages Mr. Hookers Survey part 2. pag. 38. line 3. Quest 29. Is then the Ministers maintenance and the Poors to come all out of one stock or common treasury Answ Mr. Hooker 1. No for first all are not bound to pay it to the treasury of the poor but all are bound to pay to the maintenance of the Minister Gal. 6.6 2. People are bound to make their teachers partakers of all their good things not so the poor 3. This coupling of the poor and Ministers in one common treasury confounds the works of Justice and Mercy Mr. Hookers Survey of discipline part 2. pag. 30. line 23. Quest 30. VVhat was the chief aim of our Saviour in setting these officers in his Church Answ The chief aim of our Saviour under the glory of his name was to provide for the especial good of his elect yet because those his elect were mingled here with the wicked in the world nay many an elect child proceeds of a reprobate parent and because it is impossible for the eye of man to search into heart secrets and inward sincerity which is covered there but must judge of men and dispense Ordinances unto men according to the limits and laws of rational charity therefore it is that our Saviour hath bestowed these Offices as a royall gift upon the visible Church over whom he is a head Political by outward guidance and government as well as a head mystical by his special and spiritual conveyance of his grace Mr. Hookers Survey of discipline part 2. pag. 2. line 29. Hitherto of Church Officers c. now to draw some positions out of these particulars with inferences thereupon 1. Officers are ordinarily necessary to the calling of a Church and to the well-being of it when called Chap. 5. quest 1. answ Therefore the way of gathering or calling Churches as it is used here in England is preposterous where the Church calls and constitutes it self first and then afterwards constitutes an Officer or Officers 2. None can warrantably do any act that belongs to an office without a call to that office and if he do it is void and of none effect Yea it is a sacrilegious usurpation an Anabaptistical frenzy for private Christians to take upon them ordinarily to preach the Gospel publikely c. Chap. 5. quest 4 5. Therefore let the brethren of the Church-way consider their practice of sending out their private brethren and members to preach ordinarily in the Country Parishes how warrantable it is and if every act of an office done without a Call to the office be void and null whether such publike preaching of private Christians be not a taking Gods name in vain a mocking of God and the souls of his people and sacriledge instead of sacrifice 3. That famous text 1 Cor. 14.31 gives no countenance at all to preaching of private men and such as are not in office to quest 5. Obj. 1. 4. Christ hath appointed in his Church not one but many Officers Pastors Teachers Rulers and Deacons and none of these superfluous but all useful and needful all
given in wisdom and compassion to his Church quest 1 2. 3. Therefore how those Churches can be said to come neerest the rule and walk closest to the rule who either have no officers at all as the Church of H. and the Church of N. or else content themselves with one officer a Pastor having neither Teacher Ruler nor Deacon as most of the gathered Churches in England is this to walk according to rule is not this either to slight the compassion of Christ in giving these officers or to contradict the wisdom of Christ and proclaim those offices needless and useless which Christ judged needful and useful and therefore appointed in his Church 5. Ordination is a fundamental in Church discipline and gives the officer right in his office jus in re See quest 9 10. Therefore ordination is more than election which onely gives jus ad rem And quaere how many Ministers of our gathered Churches can have a full right and authority to administer all ordinances having onely election of the people which gives but jus ad rem and not ordination which give jus in re 6. Ordination is an act of rule and pertaines to the Presbytersy or Presbytery Que. 11. Therefore not to the fraternity or body of the people 7. The Word and Sacraments are to be dispensed in publike Quest 1â— Therefore why do many of the Church-way so frequently baptize children in private 8. The Saâ—raments are badges to shew our separation from all profane Societies and to signifie our communion one with another in the profession and confession of the faith as our spiritual union and communion with Christ our head mystically See quâ—st 13. answ Therefore the Sacraments are notes of the true Church as the Protestant writers have alwayes maintained against the Papists 9. A person hath his first right to the Sacrament because he hath an interest in the covenant of the Gospel of which it is a seal Quest 14. Therefore the Church covenant as they call it gives not a man his first right to the Sacrament for that is not the covenant of the Gospel nor is the Sacrament a seal of that 10. For the receiving of the Sacrament in a right order of Christ it is sufficient that the party be a member of a visible Congregation not this or that particular Quest 14. Therefore whether the Congregation be constituted after this or that form by express covenant or not whether it be an Independent Congregation or a Classical Congregation it is all one if a man be a member of a visible Congregation he comes in a right order of Christ 11. It is requisite that those who were baptized and received their member-ship in their infancy should come to their tryal and examination before they be admitted to the Supper and this examination may be made by the Elders yea in some cases it is necessary it should be so and for all women it is most warrantable and most without exception Therefore such examination in Presbyterian Churches is not sinful and unlawful nor deserves so much ignominy and scorn as some have cast upon it 12. The Sacraments are seals not onely of our communion with Christ and with the members of our own Church but with all the Churches of the Saints See quest 16. Therefore they who will partake with none but the members of their own Church or a Church of the like constitution nor suffer their members to partake in none but their own Churches are guilty of the greatest breach of Christian love that can be unsainting and unchurching all the Churches that Christ hath upon the earth but themselves and with a kinde of Papal pride judging and as much as in them is excommunicating all other Churches contrary to their own principles that say No one Church hath power over another 13. The wickedness of a Minister does no wayes make void the acts of his Ministry nor give the people a dispensation to contemn it See quest 18. 14. The ruling Elders office is so clearly and fully grounded in Scripture as none can controvert it but he whose spirit and apprehension is prepossest and forestalled with prejudice Quest 21.22 15. The power and work of the ruling Elder is very great and his office very needful in the Church Quest 23 24. Therefore they that will have none of these ruling Elders over them but leave all to themselves and their liberty and by this means are not onely single members or officers but Pastors and Teachers and Elders and all This generation of men cast off the Lords government are sons of Korah whose condemnation sleeps not c. Quest 24. answ 1. Quaere whether some others be not guilty of this as well as Anabaptists Familists c. 16. If the ruling Elder be confined within his compass the wings of the Pope and Bishop will be clipt and their power exceedingly impeached Quest 25. Therefore there is neither truth or modesty in them that say the Presbyterian Government which is managed by ruling Elders as well as the Congregational is as tyrannical as Prelacy and as Antichristian as Popery 17. It is the divels subtilty to disgrace divide pull down the ruling Elder Quest 23. Let them therefore consider whose work they do and what reward without repentance they are like to have who drive such a design 18. Deacons are officers instituted by Christ and needful to be continued in the Church Quest 26. 19. The maintenance of Ministers is an act of justice not mercy debt not almes Quest 28. 20. Officers and Ordinances are bestowed upon the visible Church not for their sake but for the sake of the elect that are among them whose good next under his own glory Christ principally intended Quest 29. Therefore the visible Church is not first in Christs intention Therefore the visible Church especially the Church of a particular Congregation as such hath no reason to boast her self in her priviledges as the Spouse and Lacy and Queen of Christ seeing these and all other priviledges are given her not for her own sake but for the sake of the elect CHAP. V. Of Church Government and Censures Question 1. WHo are the seat or subject of Church Rule or Government Answ Church government or Rule is placed by Christ in the officers of the Church Platform of discipline who therefore are called Rulers the holy Ghost frequently yea alwayes when he mentioneth Church Rule and Church Government ascribeth it to Elders whereas the worke and duty of people is expressed in the phrase of obeying their Elders and submitting themselves to them in the Lord. Platform of discipline from New England Chap. 10. Sect. 7. Quest 2. How is Church government to be considered Answ Church government is to be attended either in regard of the essentials or circumstantials of it Mr. Hooker part 1. page 3. line 18. Quest 3. What are the essentials of Church government Answ The essentials required to the compleating of Church government are partly
in the persons that dispense partly in the Ordinances that are dispensed Ibid. p. line 20. Quest 4. What is essential in the persons that dispense the Ordinances Answ In the persons that dispense the kinds of officers appointed to that work the nature bounds and limits of their offices all these are essentials Mr. Hooker ibid. line 22. Quest 5. What are the Ordinances that these are to disperse Answ The Ordinances that these are to dispense are Preaching Prayer Seals Church censures c. These all are to be found in the Word an fetched from the Word and now under the Gospel they are and ought to be the same in all places amongst all people at all times in all succeeding generations untill the coming of Christ Ibid. line 25. Quest 6. May there then be no alteration in these things which you call essentials Answ It is not left in the power of persons Officers Churches nor all the States in the world to add or diminish or alter any thing in the least measure But as God did appoint all in the old Testament and those Institutions did endure there ever as Scripture speaks untill the coming of Christ when the same power which appointed changed them So in the new Testament where are to expect no alteration Christ the Law-giver he onely appoints none but he can and he hath made known his will that he will not change them Mr. Hookers Survey part 1. p. 5. l. 32. Quest 7. What are the circumstantials of government Answ The circumstantials of discipline as time place the carrying on of these dispensation in civil decencies suitable to the quality of the things and conditions of the time as peace and persecution the general rules of these are in the Word delivered but the particular application admits varieties mutabilities and alterations according as necessities or conveniencies shall appear by emergent occasions Mr. Hookers Survey part 1 page 6. line 3. Quest 8. You have spoken already of most of the essentials of Church government namely Officers and Ordinances of worship but what say you of Church censures are they necessary Answ The censures of the Church are appointed by Christ for the preventing removing and healing of offences in the Church for the reclaiming and gaining of offending brethren for the deterring others from the like offences for purging out the leaven which may infect the whole lump for vindicating the honor of Christ and of his Church and the holy profession of his Gospel and for preventing the wrath of God which may justly fall upon the Church if they should suffer his Covenant and the seals thereof to be prophaned by notorious and obstinate offenders Platform of discipline from New England chap. 14. sect 1. Quest 9. How many censures are there in the Church Answ Three the first admonition the second suspension the third excommunication Quest 10. What is admonition Answ Admonition is of two sorts the first more private when the offended brother admonisheth the offender of his offence according to the rule of Christ between him and the offender alone The second lesse private and yet not publike when he takes one or two with him Platform of discipline chap. 14. sect 2. Mr. Cottons way pag. 89. Quest 11. But what if the offending party be not gained by either of these admonitions Answ The offended brother tells the Church of it to wit in Gods way Mr. Cotton of the way pag. 90. line 12. Quest 12. What do you mean by telling the Church in Gods way Answ The offended brother is by the mouth of the Elders to tell it the Church Platform of discipline from N. E. chap. sect 2. That is he telleth the Elders who are the mouth of the Church that by them it may be presented before the Church Mr. Cottons way pag. 90. line 13. The matter must first be brought to the Elders and by them debated and delivered to the Church Mr. Hookers Survey part 3. p. 36 l. 2. Quest 13. But why must the mattor be first brought to the Elders and debated by them Answ 1. For that they are guides and leaders of the Church Heb. 13.17 the watchmen and overseers of it and therefore they must know the causes and controversies to the full in all circumstances difficulties windings and turnings thereof that they may be able to lead the Congregation in the way of peace and truth which they cannot do unlesse they know the way themselves Mr. Hookers Survey part 3. pag. 36. line 3. 2. To them it appertains to judge whether the things be of weight and worth and so need and require the presence and assistance of the body to expresse their judgement against them and the party guilty of them or no for if they be petty businesses and altogether unfit and unworthy to trouble the Congregation withall it is in their power to prevent such causeless and needless disturbance and therefore to suppresse any further proceeding therein Mr. Hooker part 3. pag. 36. line 10. Object But by this means if the Elders be corrupt in judgement or partial in affections they may silence the weightest cause that can be and so prejudice the innocency of those they are not friendly to and hinder the reformation of those whom in a corrupt and partial way they sinfully favour Answ Therefore as it is in their power to suppresse such petty occasions as are not worthy the times pains and disturbances that must be spent upon them So yet to prevent injustice and partiality in such cases the party who takes himself wronged may complain of the Elders in that behalf and if the Congregation see apparently that they have dealt unjustly and partially it is in their power to rectifie but if the complaints prove unjust and unreasonable be it at the peril of him that complains for he is to be censured sharply and severely as out of pride and perversenesse refusing to listen to the seasonable advice and counsel of those who were set over him by the Lord as also because he had needlesly disturbed the peace of the Congregation as much as in him lies Hookers Survey of discipline part 3. pag. 6. line 26. Thirdly the preparation is to be made by the Elders because if the body of the people be numerous they will be unable with any comely conveniency to weigh all the circumstances and difficulties which will certainly and necessarily occur in such agitation nor can in reason bestow their times and pains upon them as the intricacy and perplexity of the work will sometimes require Ibid. Quest 14. But what is the work or power of the Members then in order unto censures Answ As the Brethren have a power of order and the priviledge to expostulate with their Brethren in case of private scandal according to the rule Matth. 18.15 16. So in case of publick scandal the whole Church of Brethren have power and priviledge to joyne with the Elders in enquiring hearing judging of publick scandals so as to
binde notorious offenders and impenitents under censure and to forgive the repentant Mr. Cotton of the Keys page 13. But yet this enquiring and hearing is not to be understood as if the complaint were immediately and pro primâ instantiâ to be brought to the Church or Fraternity No but it is first to be brought to the Eldership prepared and ripened by them and by them related to the Church for the Elders before that have not onely examined the offender and his offence and the proofs thereof privately but do also publickly revise the heads of all the material passages thereof before the Church and do withall declare the counsel and will of God therein that they may rightly discern and approve what censure the Lord requireth to be administred in such a case Mr Cotton of the Keys page 14. line 36. Quest 15. But yet after the Elders have thus examined the case and declared their judgement concerning it the Church have yet a power to judge have they not Answ Yes but not as an act of rule and authority for there is a judgment of discretion by way of priviledge as well as of authority by way of sentence that of discretion is common to all the Brethren as well as that of authority belongs to the Presbytery of the Church In England the Jury by their verdict as well as the Judge by his sentence do both of them judge the same Malefactor yet in the Jury their verdict is but an act of Popular liberty in the Judge it is an act of his judicial authority Mr. Cotton of the Keys page 14. line 11. Quest 16. What is the difference then between the judgment which the Brethren passe in the censure of Excommunication and that which the Elders passe Answ Great is the difference For though the Jury have given up their judgment and verdict yet the Malefactor is not thereupon legally condemned and much lesse executed but upon the sentence of the Judge In like sort here though the Brethren of the Church do with one accord give up their vote and judgment for the censure of an offender yet he is not thereby censured till upon the sentence of the Presbytery Mr. Cotton Keyes page 14. line 20. Quest 17. Have then the Brethren no power of authority but only of priviledge and liberty Is not binding and loosing an act of authority and power to binde and loose given to the Church of Christ Answ The whole Church may be said to binde and loose in that the Brethren consent and concur with the Elders both before the censure discerning it to be just and equal and declaring this by lifting up their hands or by silence and after the censure in rejecting the offender censured from their wonted communion Idem line 4. Quest 18. Whither is this consent of the Brethren unto the judgement and sentence of the Elders concerning the Excommunication of a Member an act of authority or of obedience Answ The people give consent in obedience to the will and rule of Christ Hence is that speech of the Apostle we have in readinesse to revenge all disobedience when your OBEDIENCE is fullfilled 2 Cor. 10.6 The Apostles revenge of disobedience by way of reproof in preaching doth not follow the peoples obedience but proceedeth whether the people obey it or no it was therefore their revenge of disobedience by way of censure in Discipline which they had in readinesse when the obedience of the Church is fulfilled in discerning and approving the equity of the censure which the Apostles and Elders have declared to them from the Word Mr. Cotton of the Keyes page 15. line 6. And if the people cannot convince the Elder of his errour or mistake in the sentence they are bound to joyne their judgment with his in the compleating of the sentence without impertinent questions needlesse scruples wilfull and disorderly gain-sayings Mr. Hookers Survey P. 3. page 42. line 7. Quest 19. But what if the case prove doubtful and there arise a difference between the Elders and the Brethren Answ If the case be doubtful and the difference grows wide and great it is then seasonable to crave the counsel and help of neighbouring Churches Mr. Hookers Survey part 3. page 40. line 15. Quest 20. May not the Brethren proceed to the sentence of Excommunication without the Elders Answ Excommunication is one of the highest acts of rule in the Church and therefore cannot be performed but by some Rulers Mr. Cotton of the Keyes page 16. line 6. Object But the twenty foure Elders who represent the private Members of the Church as the foure living creatures do the foure Officers had all of them Crowns upon their heads and sate upon Thrones which are signes of Regal Authority Answ The Crowns and Thrones argue them to be Kings no more than their white garments argue them to be Priests verse 4. but neither Priests nor Kings by office but by liberty to performs like spiritual duties by grace which others do by office and grace both Mr. Cotton of the Keyes page 16. line 19. Quest 21. What are the things or cases for which the censure of Excommunication is to be inflicted Answ It must not be for petty and small aberrations but for such evils as the mind and conscience of a man inlightned by the Church of God would condemn in himself or any upon the first serious consideration was his understanding left to the liberty of reason to act thereby and not crack-brained and perverted with prejudice and selfishnesse Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 3. page 34. line 30. Quest 22. But tell us somewhat more particularly and expressely what is the matter of Excommunication Answ Such evils as are either heinous or abominable as fornication murder adultery incest treason or if not so grosse yet carry the face of evil in their fore-head upon the first serious and well-grounded consideration of reason and have been pertinaciously and obstinately persisted in after all means improved for their conviction and reformation Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 3. page 34. line 37. Quest 23. You did a little above Quest 8 mention suspension as a censure distinct from Excommunication in what cases is that practised or used in the Church of Christ Answ In two Cases First thus Members born in the Church and having received their Membership in their infancy being grown to years of discretion must come to tryal and examination and manifest their faith and repentance by an open profession thereof before they be received to the Lords Supper or otherwise not to be admitted thereunto Platform of Discipline from New Eng. chap. 12. sect 7. see before chap. 3. Quest 5. though thy suspension be not strictly a censure being rather actus charitatis than potestatis and as they call it suspensio per modum cautelae Secondly thus while the offending brother lyeth under the censure of admonition he stands in the judgment of the whole Church as a convinced publick offender
unkindness or some evil onely conceived or which might be tolerated and healed c. is sinful and unlawful See chap. 4. quest 5. answ 2. Therefore O that those who have rent themselves from us to gather themselves into distinct Churches would be wiâ—ling to behold the face of what they have done in and judge it by this friendly glass and repent of what they have done unlawfully and sinfully 6. Neither the hypocrisie of some members nor the toleration of open scandals nor want of some Ordinances is a sufficient ground for men to separate from the Church Therefore our brethren can alledge no sufficient ground for their separation on from the Churches whereof they were sometimes members 7. Faithfulness of brotherly love in Church relation requires that the members of the Church should first convince their brethren of their sinful defects and duely wait for their reformation before they depart from them For secondly By the hasty departure of sound members from a defective Church reformation is not promoted but many times retarded Chap. 4. answ to quest 7. Therefore let those who have separated themselves the Ministery and assemblies they did sometimes attend upon lay their hands upon their hearts and seriously as before the Lord consider whether they have thus endevored and waited for a reformation in the Congregation where their fixed abode is or whether they have not by their hasty departure or by other indirect means hindred the work of reformation as much as in them lies the Lord lay it not to their charge If for this they be not condemned by their own consciences I am sure they are by their friends and brethren 8. The Ordination of Ministers in England by the Bishops is adventitious and accidental to their calling See chap. 4. quest 7. answer to Object 4. Therefore their ordination by the Bishops doth not make their calling null and void nor is it necessary that they should renounce that call and put themselves upon a new call unless withall they change their station 9. The difference between Independents and Presbyterians is not so great but that it might be healed and there might a be an union if some distempers and carnal corrupt respects did not prevail above principles of judgement and love to peace and truth See chap. 4. answ to quest 8. 10 No just ground of separation from a Church unless you find in it blasphemy idolatry or persecution See chap. 4. quest 9. answ 3. Therefore none of these crimes being proved against the Churches of England they have done unjustly who have separated from them The Conclusion ANd now Brethren If I could with Jotham get up into some Mount Gerizim where I might be heard and not seen or at least where I might be extra jactum lapidum I would speak plainly to you and not as he in parables And I would numbly and as in the sight and fear of God desire you to give not me but the Christian world some conscientious and satisfactory reason of your departing and yet continuing so departed from the Churches into which you were baptized wherein you were converted which reverend Mr. Cotton is not ashamed to own saying We cannot we dare not deny to bless the wombe that bare us and the paps that gave us sucke Mr. Cotton lett print A. 1641. pag. 3. line 27. the most of you that are converted and whereof many of you were sometimes Minister yet now you have not onely made a Negative secession from them but a positive and have drawn and culled out of those Congregations whom yet you confess to be true Churches as many of the choicest members as you could and gathered them as you speak into Churches not onely distinct from but opposite to the Rest of the Churches and Congregations of the Nation I say opposite for verily if you lived among Papists or Jews you could scarce shew a greater opposition or abhorrence of their assemblies and worship than you do of these Some of you may be will hear some of their Ministers sometimes preach though others of you will not vouchsafe that so some of you have heard a Rabbi in a Jewish Synagogue you know this is no act of Church communion you know you hear them Equivocally not as Ministers of Christ but as gifted brethren But who of you will break bread in their Assemblies though the principal leaders of your way have given it under their hand see Pap. of accommodat first to the Parliament and since to the world that they could do it who of you will vouchsafe your presence at the administration of Baptism in their Churches let it be the infant of never so holy parents but make as much hast out of their Assemblies as John the Evangelist did out of the Bath when he heard Cerinthus was in it What is this but to lay all these Churches and all the Members of them at least under the sentence of non communion And for this practice I could never yet hear any thing alledged but what is here fully answered and refelled out of your own Authors 1. If you say Their Churches are no true Churches See cap 3. per totum 2. If you say these Churches they have not the matter of a true Church which is visible Saints Answ This hath been answered already First for the matter Master Cotton hath told you Chap. 1. quest 1. That the Churches of the New Testament consist of no other matter than the Churches of the old consisted of and what visible Saints they were the books of the Kings and Chronicles Isaiah Ieremiah and the rest of the Prophets tell you That unregeneracy unless it be accompanied with such fruits as are openly scandalous doth not keep any from Church fellowship Answ to quest 3. cap. 1. that federal holiness or holiness by separation admits to the ordinances cap. 1. quest 4. And that persons who received their membership in their infancy proving notoriously scandalous ought not to be continued in Church-membership yet if they be that separation must not presently be made is the judgement both of Master Hooker and the rest of the Elders of New England See this chap. 7. answ to quest 6. 3. If you say These Presbyterian Churches have not the right form and constitution that is expresse consent and covenant Answ Why this hath been answered for Master Hooker and Master Cotton and the rest of the Elders agree that the Congregations of England have that which doth as truely constitute them Churches as if they were constituted by covenant as appears cap. 2. answer to question 4. See more cap. 3. 4. If you say In these Presbyterian Churches the Officers Lord it over the inheritance of the Lord and rob and spoile the brethren of the power which Christ hath purchased for them and bequeathed to them Answ It is clear by what hath been spoken already that the brethren in the Congregational way have no more nor other power than what the brethren in
And at other times as opportunity shall serve thereunto Platforme of Discipline from New England chap. 7. sect 2. Mr. Cotton of the way Mr. Cotton pag. 36. line 20. Idem of the Keys pag. 20 c. Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 2. page 16. 11. And by the same parity of reason if any want comfort sinking under discouragements and sadnesse of spirit or through ignorance are not able to understand the things delivered they may call for the help of the Elder in private that they may be informed and comforted by him And hence it follows 12. That he hath power to enquire into the condition and take account of the special state of such of the members for else how should he be able to administer seasonable and sutable support Mr. Hookers Survey of Discipline part 2. pag. 17. line 33. And that these especially the last mentioned are works belonging to the Ruling Elder the nature of the thing would easily perswade a mans reason to yield thereunto for how unequal and unreasonable would it seem to a man acquainted with the weight and work of the Ministery that when the Pastor or Teacher should be attending upon reading and searching the sense and minde of God in his Word and the mysteries of God therein who is sufficient for these things that they should be then taken off their studies and forced to attend upon mens special weaknesses and wants in private when they should prepare for the publick dispensations so that the one must of necessity be neglected or they distracted in both Whereas this appointment of our Saviour provides for both without prejudice or disadvantage to either Mr. Hookers Survey part 2. page 18. line 24. Quest 24. You have shewn fully what is the work of the Ruling Elders but I pray tell me what is that power they are cloathed with in thâ—se acts of theirs Answ 1. Negatively it is not 1. Any Lordly pompous power Mr. Shepherds 2. It is not any Antichristian unlimited power Nor. 3. Is it and Magisterial power Mr. Shepherds wholesome caveat for a time of liberty pag. 97.98 99. But positively 1. They have power given them of ruling and governing from Christ by the people hence they are called Rulers and have a strict charge and command from the Lord to rule Idem page 99. Hence those cast off the Lords government over then who will have no Rulers nor Governours in the Church but leave all to themselves and their liberty and so by this means they are not only single members or officers but Pastor Teacher and Elder and all This generation of men sons of Korah are risen up in these later times especially among Anabaptists and rigid Separatists whose condemnation sleeps not Satan carrying them to extreams and pride lifting them up above themselves above men above Officers above Ordinances above God Idem page 100. line 4. 2. This power which the Ruling-Elder hath is more than any one member hath which is not an Officer It would be a most simple ridiculous thing if there should be Election Ordination many prayers much tryal of men to rule and guide and govern separation from the rest and yet to have no more power than any other private member therefore saith the Apostle submit to them that are over you 1 Thess 5.12 Obey them that rule over you Heb. 13.17 Master Shepherds wholsome caveat c. page 100. line 28. Hence those that do acknowledge Gevernours in the Church for names sake but they are such as have no more power than a private brother They are to watch say they so are private members to admonish so is every private member c. these allow the name but deny the thing Idem page 101. line 8. Hence also when men shall cry for liberty to speak an Elder forbids it what may not the Church have liberty yes true but you are not the Church An Elder reproves they will reprove again what shall not the Church have liberty An Elder gives reasons strong and unanswerable for something to be done a young fellow steps up and saith without ground or shew of it that is your light and mine is otherwise what may not the Church have liberty yes but you are not the Church This is very sad and hath been a root of greatest scandal that ever Gods wayes had Idem page 102. line 9 c. 3. In the execution of their office according to Christ they are over the whole Church Heb. 13. Obey them that rule you he speaks to the whole Church Mr. Shepherds wholesome caveat pag. 102. line 26. Their power rightly executed is the power of Christ Hence refuse it you refuse to be subject to him if men will not be ruled by ordinances but will rule ordinances they go about to rule Christ Ibid. pag. 104. line 28. 4. They have power to oversee when they see cause Act. 20.28 and to enquire into the state of the flock to know their spiritual condition Mr. Shepherd pag. 105. line 20. Hence men cast off the government of Christ when they will not have their spiritual condition searched into the Elders foot is now too great for his shoe I am to give an account to God so are they also of theirs Now thou canst not give it if thou enquirest not how thy condition stands neither can they with comfort unless thou tellest them how it stands with thee Ibid. pag. 106. l. 3. The Ministers charge is to cast the seed the Elders duty is to enquire after the fruit in the husbandry of Christ but you can quarrel and snap at the Elders when they come to enquire of your condition and why do you enquire you take too much upon you Ibid. 5. They have power to guide counsel and warn the Church at least in all weighty affairs which may concern them and their common good Heb. 13.17 Malac. 2.7 Mr. Shepherd pag. 106. Hence for men in matters of great and weighty affairs which concern the good of the whole Church nay all Churches never to enquire at Abel is a casting off the Lord as in election of Officers in the Church or Magistrates in the Commonwealth Hence to receive any opinion different from all the Elders in the Church and never so much as speak much less come to a sad debate about it is to cast off this yoak Hence to propose a doubtful question to the Church which may trouble or bring an offenders sin to the Church without councel of the Elders hence when men will not take warning from the Elders of evil to come it is a casting off the Lords yoke Ibid. pag. 107. 6. They have power of publike reproof of any member of the Church in case of plain open and publike offences others without leave cannot nor ought not Reproofs are part of the power peculiar to the Governors in any society where Governors are present and at hand In a family no wise man will suffer brawles among children and servants