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A68024	A parte of a register contayninge sundrie memorable matters, written by diuers godly and learned in our time, which stande for, and desire the reformation of our Church, in discipline and ceremonies, accordinge to the pure worde of God, and the lawe of our lande.	Udall, John, 1560?-1592. Demonstration of the trueth of that discipline which Christe hath prescribed in his worde for the government of his Church, in all times and places, untill the ende of the worlde.	1593 (1593)	STC 10400; ESTC S101665	62,546	88

the Lorde But the former is true as the Historie teacheth vs Therefore must the latter needes be true also 4 That which giueth comfort vnto a man in the time of his troubles must haue a warrant out of Gods worde But euery lawfull calling giueth comfort vnto a man in the time of his troubles Therefore euerie lawfull calling hath a warrant out of Gods word 5 That which helpeth Gods people forward in godlines must haue a warrant out of Gods worde for God hath promised a blessing to his owne ordinance onlie But euery lawfull calling in the Church helpeth Gods people forwarde in godlines Therefore euerie lawfull calling hath a warrant out of Gods worde Therefore if Iohn did prooue his calling out of the Scriptures if euerie calling vnder the lawe was warranted out of the scriptures if Corath c. were punished for enterprising that which they had no warrant for out of the scriptures if comfort in troubles commeth onely from the scriptures and lastly if euery help to godlines is warranted in the scriptures then c. They confesse all these reasons to bee true but doe denie that the Archbish. lord Bish. c. bee distinct Ministers from others Whitgift pag. 303. which wee hold T. C. 2. booke pag. 438. and proue it thus 1 Those thinges that haue diuers efficient causes are diuers Our BB. and the Ministers of the worde haue diuers efficient causes for the one is the ordinance of God the other the constitution of humane pollicie as themselues doe confesse Therefore they are distinct Ministers from others 2 A diuers forme maketh diuers things the Ministers of the word and the Lord Bishops haue diuers formes for their ordination euen in the Church of England is diuers seeing one Lord Bishop may ordaine a Minister But there must be three to ordaine one of them therefore they are distinct Ministers 3 Members of one diuision are distinct one from another the L. Bishops and ordinarie ministers bee members of one diuision for vsually the Ministers bee diuided into the rulers and them that are to bee ruled therefore they are distinct Ministers 4 The things that haue diuers effects are diuers in them selues one from another the L.BB. and other Ministers haue diuers effects for the one effecteth rule and gouernment the other subiection and obedience Therefore they are diuers and distinct Ministers 5 They that be imployed about diuers thinges are diuers one from another The L.BB. and the ordinarie Ministers be imployed about diuers things for the one is exercised in generall view of many congregations and the other in the particular direction of one Therefore they bee distinct Ministers 6 That which is perpetuall and that which may be taken away by men are distinct one from another The office of the Minister is perpetuall Ephes. 4. 13. and the Bishops may be taken away as themselues doe confesse Therfore they are diuers and distinct Ministers Therfore if the Ministers of the worde and Lord BB. proceede from diuers causes if they haue their being by diuers formes if they be members of one diuision which in nature cannot bee one if they produce diuers effects if they bee exercised about diuers subiectes Lastly if the one bee perpetuall and the other but for a time then must it needes follow that they are diuers and distinct Ministers one from another The name of an Archbishop and also the office that he executeth is contrarie to the worde of God First the reasons that prooue it vnlawful to giue the name vnto any man in the church are these 1 No man may haue the name giuen him which is proper to our Sauiour Iesus Christe But the name of Archbishop is proper vnto our Sauiour Iesus Christe as appeareth in the places quoted therefore no man may haue the name of Archb. giuen vnto him 2 If the name of Pope be therefore odious because of that Antichriste who is intituled therewith then must also the name of Archbishop when it is ascribed vnto any mortall man for so much as it is the title of a speciall member of that kingdome of Antichrist But the former is true euen by their owne confession Whitgift pag. 300. Therefore must the latter be true also But they obiect diuers things against this for the proouing of the name Archb. to bee lawfully giuen vnto some men which together with their answeres doe brieflie followe 1 Obiection Clemens alloweth of those names as Polydor reporteth lib. 4. cap. 12. Answere Polydor is but the reporter and M. Iewel hath prooued euidently against Harding that Clemens is counterfeite and worthie of no credite Obiection Erasmus saith that Titus was an Archbishop Answere He spake as the times were wherein hee liued but that proueth not that he helde him one in deed no more then our naming of the Archbishop of Canterbury when wee speake of him proueth that wee like and allow his authoritie 3 Obiection Anacletus saith that Iames was the first Archbishop of Ierusalem Answere He is forged as our answeres to the Papists haue shewed but a witnes of better credite calleth him only a Bishop Euseb. lib. 2. cap. 23. and Simon bishop after him lib. 3. ca. 22. And Iraen saith lib. 4. ca. 63. that the Apostles ordained Bishops euerie where making no mention of Archbishop 4 Obiection The Councell of Nice Canon 6. mentioneth a Metropolitan Bishop Answere That proueth nothing for it was only as much as to say the Bishop of the chiefe citie Secondly the reasons that prooue the office of the Archbishop vnlawfull be these 1 Euerie Ministerie that is lawfull must be of God The office of the Archbishop is not of God for that he is not described in the worde and them selues confesse that hee is of humane pollicie Therefore the office of the Archbishop is vnlawfull 2 That Ministerie whose originall is vnknowen hath no warrant from Gods worde and consequently is vnlawfull The originall of the Archb. is vnknowne as they confesse Whitegift pag. 351. Therefore it is vnlawfull 3 That office which is needles in the church is also vnlawfull to bee exercised in the same The office of the Archbishop is needlesse for the Ministerie is perfect without it as the Apostle proueth Ephes. 4. 13. Therefore the office of an Archb. is vnlawfull 4 If all the gifts needfull for the prefecting of the church be appropriated vnto other Ministeries then is his Ministerie vnlawfull But all the needefull giftes are appropriated vnto Pastours Doctours Elders and Deacons whereof he is none Therefore his office is vnlawfull 5 That office is vnlawful which none may lawfully giue But none may lawfully bestowe the office of an Archbishop because none can giue any new gifts to adorne him withal Therefore his office is vnlawfull This reason beeing vsed of all founde diuines against the Pope is of the same value against the Archbishop 6 If the office of an Archbishop bee lawefull then it is either in respect of his

bee poore reprocheth God that made them Prou. 17. 5. 3 Obiection It ouerburdeneth the parrishe to prouide for the nourishment of so many church-officers Answere It is not necessarie that they should prouide for any moe of them sauinge those that are exercised in the ministerie of the worde vnlesse any of the rest may neede the liberalitie of the Church 4 Obiection It bringeth in a newe popedome and tyrannie into the Church Answere It is blasphemie to tearme the gouernement of Christ so because we refuse the tyranny of the pope shall we therefore doe what we list and not yeelde obedience to the scepter of Christ. 5 Obiection It is a kinde of Donatisme to chalenge such authoritie ouer Princes Answere And it is flatterie to suffer princes to doe what they liste this is the obiection of Gualter who is a professed enemie to discipline 6 Obiection It taketh away princes authoritie in causes Ecclesiasticall Answere No more then it did from Dauid in his time not so much as the Bb. doe nowe for the prince requireth but this to see the Church well ordered which the Eldership alloweth and craueth 7 Obiection It transformeth the state of the common wealth into a meere popularitie and will alter the gouernement thereof Answere It neyther transformeth nor altereth any thing in it for let it be shewed what damage would come by this discipline to any Magistracie from the Princes throne to the office of the headborow 8 Obiection It will breede contention and partialitie in iudgement Answere Where can be greater contention then the Bb. maintaine for their kingdome or greater partialitie then in them to their kins folkes seruauntes Sycophants c. 9 Obiection It will bee contemned and so good order neglected Answere None euer deserued more contempt then the Bb. and their officers doe for all their pompe but God whose ordinance it is will procure sufficient awe vnto it marke howe these obiections stande togither in the 4. it was tyrannie and here it is too contemptible these be contrary 10 Obiection All alterations be daungerous Answere Neuer where we change from the obedience of Antichrist to the seruice 〈◊〉 the liuinge God was it euer daungerous to amende thi●●amis●e by that course whiche is described of God if it were let the particular of it appeare this might well haue bin Steuen Gardiners reason for poperie in the time of King Henrie the eight The Church must be gouerned onely by the rules of gods worde this is in effect the proposition of the first chap. whervnto all those reasons there alleadged may be referred there is aduouched generally the certayne groundes of the whole Discipline against the imagined libertie left to the Church here is affirmed the particular direction of the Church gouuernement by the authoritie of the Eldershipp to proceede according to the rules of Gods reuealed will and not by that cursed and monstrous cannon lawe which is made manifest vnto vs by these reasons 1 All gouernours are to execute their authoritie by the same warrant from which they haue it But the gouernours of the Church of God haue their warrant to bee gouernours onelie from the worde 1. Cor. 12. 28. Therefore they must gouerne the church onely by the worde 2 The Church is to be gouerned by that which the Ministers may teache vnto the same for they are taught to the ende that they may obey and so be gouerned by the same But the Ministers may teache nothing but the worde of God 1. Cor. 11. 23. Therefore the church is to be gouerned onely by the worde of God 3 That which maketh the Church obedient vnto Christ must be the direction whereby it is to be gouerned Only the worde of God maketh the church obedient vnto Christe Therefore it is to be gouerned by the rules of Gods word 4 Euery kingdome or housholde must be gouerned onlie by the lawes of the King or orders of the housholder The Church is the kingdome and house of God and his worde is the onely lawe that he hath giuen for the same Therefore it must be gouerned onely by the worde of God 5 That which was ordayned to destroy the church of god can not be a good rule to gouerne the same by But such is the canon lawe for it was ordayned to strengthen the kingdome of Antichrist Abstract Therefore it can not bee a good rule to direct the church by and consequentlie it must be gouerned by the worde for no other rule is offered vnto vs but the one of these twaine 6 That whiche was inuented by the Dragon that persecuteth the woman and her childe that same cannot be good for the Church which is that woman But such is the cannon lawe for it was inuented by Antichrist whiche is that Dragon Therefore it can not be good for the rulinge of the church and consequentlie c. 7 That which strengtheneth the power of darkenes and ignorance can not be good to guide them that must walke in light and knowledge But the cannon lawe strengtheneth the power of darknes and ignorance for it increaseth poperie as appeareth by this that there is scarce an officer towards it in these dayes of knowledge but he is a papist Therefore it cannot be good to guide the church of God 8 That which destroyeth the church of God can not bee good to rule the same But the cannon lawe destroyeth it for it crosseth euery faithfull Minister in the discharge of his duetie and euery good christian walking in the wayes of godlines and nippeth in the head euery good action as experience teacheth vs Therefore it cannot be a good rule to gouuerne the church by 9 That which hath bredd moe trayterous papistes in England then the Seminaries at Rome and Rhemes that same can not be good to gouerne the church of God But such is the cannon lawe for it hath kept out Discipline nourished ignorance and fostered superstition and poperie in all estates of people that neuer came at those Seminaries Therefore it can not bee a good rule to gouuerne the Church of God by 10 That which nourished the hope of Antichrist to return hither againe can not bee good to direct in the gouernment of the church But such is the cannon lawe for it keepeth the cages for those vncleane birdes as Archb. and L. Bb. seas Arches Cathedrall churches c. Therefore it can not bee a good rule for the direction of the church 11 That which all the Churches haue cast off as vnfit for the gouernement of the Church can not bee good for the same But all the churches that haue forsaken the pope yea they that haue not receyued the discipline of Christ wholie haue cast off the cannon lawe Therefore it can not bee good for the same 12 Yea we our selues mislike it as appeareth by a statute made vnder Ed. 6. Therefore if gouernours are to rule by the same authoritie whereby they are gouernours if the Church must be gouerned by

A demonstration of the trueth of that Discipline which Christ hath prescribed in his worde for the gouernment of his Church in all times and places vntill the end of the world Wherein are gathered into a plain forme of reasoning the prooft thereof out of the Scriptures the euidence of it by the light of reason rightlie ruled and the testimonies that haue been giuen thereunto by the course of the Church certaine hundreths of yeares after the Apostles time and the generall consent of the Churches rightly reformed in these latter times according as they are alleadged and maintained in those seuerall bookes that haue been written concerning the same Math. 21. 38. The husbandmen said among themselues this is the heire come let vs kill him and let vs take his inheritance Luke 19. 27. Those mine enemies vvhich vvould not that I should raigne ouer them bring hither and flea them before me To the supposed Gouernors of the Church of England the Archbishops Lord Bishops Archdeacons and the rest of that order MANY and most euident haue our declarations been concerning the trueth of that gouernment which Christe hath prescribed in his worde for the ruling of the Church which we haue manifested vnto you both by our writings and speeches as occasion hath been offered neuer hath any one of you taken in hande to say anie thing against it but it hath made his eyes to dazle as the clearest Sun-shining whereby hee hath been driuen to wander hither and thither groping for euasions and yet coulde not escape but hath falne into infinite most mostrous absurdities and blasphemous assertions as by their writinges yet extant it may appeare so forcible is the trueth to amaze the painesayers thereof and so pregnant is falshood to beget and bring foorth thousands of absurdities and euery one worse then other And will you still continue in your damnable and most diuelishe course Haue you solde your selues vnto Satan to fight for him vntill you bee dammed in hell with him Haue you morgaged the saluation of your soules and bodies for the present fruition of your pompe and pleasure is it because you see not what you should doe It may be so for many are so blinde that they grope euen at noone day but me thinkes it can hardly be so vnlesse you bee they that haue eyes see not for the cause hath been by the blessing of God so managed that many plough-men artificers and children doe see it and know it and are able by the worde of God to iustifie it and condemne you to bee aduersaries vnto the Gospell in resisting it But you thinke that gouernment not so needfull and your fault but small if it be any in continuing your course begunne The necessitie of the thing is many wayes apparant both in that it hath so plentifull warrant from Gods own word as the course of this booke doth uidently declare and also in that the Gospell can take no roote nor haue any free passage for want of it and the greatnesse of your fault appeareth by this that in so doing you are the cause of all the ignorance Atheisme schismes treasons poperie and vngodlinesse that is to be founde in this lande which we challenge to proue to your faces if we may indifferently be heard wherof in the meane while we will giue you a taste for the first it is cleare that you are the causers of that damnable ignorance wherein the people are so generallie wrapped for that you haue from time to time stopped the streames of knowledge in those places where the Lorde in mercie bestowed the same and in steed of able and painefull Ministers haue pestered the Churche eyther with presumptuous proude persons that are esteemed learned and take no paines to bringe the people vnto the knowledge of Iesus Christe or which is the greatest number suche ignoraunt Asses and filthie swine as are not worthie to liue in a well ordered common-wealth and that you are the cause of all Atheisme it is plaine for one may as in deede many doe professe it and you say nothing to him for it If the most filthie liuer will fawne vpon you and bribe your seruants you will not only fauour him but assist him against any godly Minister or other but if any that feare God refuse to come vnder the least of your popish ceremonies hee shall bee molested till his purse be emptie or els by your tyrannous dealing he haue made shipwrack of a good censcience And are not you the cause of all schismes that make a hotch-pot of true religion and poperie and so giue some occasion to fall into this course and others into that And it is as cleare that you are so farre the cause of all treasons as without you they had not bin for if euery Church had had her gouernment according to Christes institution our young Gentlemen and students had not bin for want of teaching careful ouersight made a pray vnto the seducers and consequently to those practises which haue brought the bodies of so manie vnto Tyborne and their soules into hell and who but you be the causes of Poperie whilest you vse them so well let them doe wat they list yea and keepe them in office authoritie vnder you yea which more is giue them such offices as none that is not popish can execute I speak not of the ignorance which by your meanes raigneth euerie where which as they confesse is the mother of their deuotion and you are the wretched fathers of that filthie mother whereby you must needes be grandfathers at the least to all kind of poperie And who can without blushing denie you to bee the cause of all vngodlines seeing your gouernment is that which giueth leaue to a man to be any thing sauing a sounde Christian. For certainely it is more free in these dayes to bee a Papist Anabaptist of the famely of loue yea any most wicked one wahtsoeuer then that which we should be and I could liue these twenty yeres any such in Englande yea in a Bishops house it may bee and neuer bee muche molested for it so true is that which you are charged with in a Dialogue lately come foorth against you since burned by you that you care for nothing but the maintenance of your dignities bee it to the damnation of your owne soules and infinite millions moe Enter therefore nowe at the last into the serious confideration of these thinges remember that one day you must bee presented before the tribunall seate of Iesus Christe to bee arraigned for all the soules that haue gone to hell seeing you will needes bee the rulers of the Churche since the Gospell first appeared in this land then shall you not be excused with this the Queene and Counsell will haue it so not with that our state cannot beare it For it shall be said vnto you why do you not informe thē better of my will why taught you them not to worship with

christian Magistrate 3 If the rule of Christe can not bee perpetnally obserued tell the Church vnles there be Elders then must there be such vnder a christian Magistrate But the former is true for by the Church is there meant the Senate of Ministers Elders as shalbe prooued in the chapter of Excommunication Therefore there must be Elders vnder a christian Magistrate 4 If the whole gouernement of the Church described in the Epistles to Timothie and Titus be to be obserued vntill the ende then must there bee Elders vnder christian Magistrates for they are contayned in those Epistles But the former is true 1. Tim. 6. 14. Therefore there must be Elders vnder a christian Magistrate 5 Where sinners are more outragious and the best most subiect to waxe colde there is greatest neede of all the helpes that God hath ordayned to punishe sinne and to cherish wel dooing But so it is vnder a christian Magistrate especially in the peace of the Church as Whitgift confesseth page 643. Therefore there is at the least as great neede of Elders seeing they are helpers appointed of God vnder a Christian Magistrate as at any other time Therefore if Ministers be lesse able nowe then in the Apostles time if christian Magistrates must mainteyne the order prescribed by Christ if els the rule of Christ Tel the church can not be still obserued if the whole gouernement described by S. Paule must be kept for euer lastlie if there bee at the least as great neede of all the helpers that can be as euer there was then must it needes followe that Elders are as necessarie in the Church vnder a christian Magistrate as in the time of persecution CHAP. 13. THere ought to be in euery congregation certaine Deacons endued with those qualities whiche the worde of God describeth whose office is onely in receyuing the liberalitie of the Saintes and distributing it vnto the needie T. C. 1. booke pag. 190. Disci Eccle. fol. 119. This assertion hath two braunches which both are gainsaide by our aduersaries the first whereof is this The office of the Deacon consisteth onely in receiuing and distributing vnto the poore the liberalitie of the Saintes whiche they denie Whitgift pag. 582. The booke of ordering c. that maketh it a degree of the ministerie but the proposition being prooued true maketh their opinion and practize appeare false which is thus 1 That wherein Steuen and the rest were imployed is the office of a Deacon for the first institution of them by the Apostles is in that example But they were onely to attende vpon the prouision for the poore Act. 6. 4. Therefore the office of the Deacon is onely to attende vpon the distributinge vnto the poore from the liberalitie of the Saintes 2 That whiche the Apostle maketh an ordinarie and distinct office from others in the Church must be attended vpon by them that are in the same office and not be mingled with any other But the Apostle Rom. 12. 8. maketh distributing in simplicitie such as office as it is expounded by M. Caluin Beza Bucer Martyr c. Therefore the Deacons office must be attended vpon and consequentlie it consisteth onelie in distributing c. 3 That which the Apostles founde them selues insufficient for that can no man nowe discharge in any tollerable measure for they were more adorned with giftes then anie be nowe But they founde them selues insufficient for the ministerie of the worde and distributing vnto the poore also Act. 6. 2. Therefore no man can in any tollerable measure discharge the office of a Minister and Deacon also and consequentlie the Deacon is to attende vpon distributing only 4 If the ministeries of the worde be perfect without the Deacon then may he not meddle in the same for howe may one lawfullie labour in that wherein there is no neede of him But such is the ministerie of the worde where the seuerall ministers thereof are named Ephes. 4. 11. wherein the Deacon is not contayned as Whitgift confesseth pag. 308. 309. Therefore the Deacon may not meddle with the ministerie of the worde and consequentlie must be imployed onlie in distributing c. 5 If there be no qualitie required in the perfect description of the Deacon which is proper to the ministerie of the worde then is not he to meddle with the same But the former is true as appeareth 1. Tim. 3. 8. Therefore the latter is true also and consequentlie he must attende onely vppon distributing c. 6 If it belong to the Deacons office to meddle with the ministerie of the worde and Sacramentes then is it greater then that of the Pastor for that the doing of both requireth greater giftes then the one But it is not a greater but inferiour office to the pastor as appeareth by all those places wherin they are described that the Deacon is described after the Bishop Therefore his office is not to meddle with both and consequentlie he must attende vpon distributing c. 7 Deacons are ministers of tables and not of holy things 8 In the ministers sicknes the Deacons shall reade the Homilies of the Fathers 9 The Deacons haue neede of great wisedome although the preaching of the worde be not committed vnto them further it is absurde that they should doe both the offices of preaching and caring for the poore consideringe that they be not able to doe both thorowly 10 Although the goodes of the Church increasing there were besides the Deacons subdeacons and archdeacons yet the Deacons remayned still in their charge for the poore and were not as yet mingled with the Bishops or priestes with the order of them which taught 11 The office of Deaconship was religiouslie kept in the Church vntill it was driuen out by Antichrist 12 This office must of necessitie be restored as it is described Act. 6. if England for he speaketh it in the behalfe of our Church will receyue the Discipline of Christ. 13 Speaking of these Deacons lamenteth that this order is so fallen out of the Church that the name doth scarce remayne 14 Describing the Deacons of the Apostles time sayeth that we after their example ought to haue the like 15 The office of distributing the goodes of the church is an ordinarie function in a church lawfully constituted the which sect 30. he calleth the Deaconship Therefore if Steuen and the rest were imployed onely in distributing the goodes of the church if the Apostle maketh the Deacons office an ordinarie and distinct office from all others in the church if the Apostles were not sufficient for the ministerie of the worde and distributing if the ministeries of the worde be perfect without the Deacon if in the description of the Deacon no quallitie be required that is proper to a minister of the worde if to deale in both would make the Deacon a greater officer then the Pastor if the Councels auncient writers and the sounde writers of latter times