A QVARTRON OF REAsons composed by Doctor HILL vnquartered and prooued a quartron of follies by Francis Dillingham Bachelour of Diuinitie August in Senten Inimici Ecclesiae si tantummodo adversantur male sentienda exercent eius sapientiam The Churches enemies if they be onely her aduersaries by false opinions doe exercise her wisdome HINC · LVCEM · ET · POCVLA · SACRA Printed by IOHN LEGAT Printer to the Vniuersitie of Cambridge 1603. And are to be sold at the signe of the Crowne in Pauls Church-yard by Simon Waterson TO THE RIGHT HOnourable and my very good Lord OLIVER Lord S. Iohn Baron of Blettenshoe Grace and peace THe paines of Papists Right Honourable in propagating the Romish religion should mooue sincere Protestants to be painefull in defending the truth of the eternall God who in hiâ— rich mercie amongst other innumerable benefits bestowed vpon this land hath giuen vs the benefit of his holy word not in a strange tongue as it was in the daies of Poperie but in our mother tongue that it may be a lanterne to our feete and a light vnto our paths This light the Papists haue laboured to extinguish by treasons by writings and all meanes that they could vse but blessed be God frustra illis est they are deceiued Now least it should seeme strange to any that heretikes should be so laborious in auouching heresie may it please him to consider that Idolaters haue bin studious in maintaining their idolatrie Ieroboam made two calues 1 King 12. the one of them he placed at Bethel and so made it Bethauen the other at Dan and so made it a denne of Idolaters The Israelites offered their children to Moloc behold the rage of idolatrie If men could be content that their children should be sacrificed vnto idols shall we thinke it strange that some should write bookes to subuert the truth of religion Wherefore to leaue this point and to returne to that which I said in the beginning that the labours of Papiâ—ts should be a spurre to Protestants to defend the Gospel now publikely authorized in England Why should not we be as carefull for Gods glorie as they are for the glorie of their purple whore But I feare some are like the beete which is good both in winter and sommer others haue bought farmes or it may be haue married wiues that is they are so addicted to the world and to their pleasures that they haue no leisure to write I would these men would consider of Christ his commandement Negotiamini donec venero vse trafficke vntill I come But to leaue these loyterers in the Lords vineyard vpon the forenamed consideration I haue endeauoured my selfe to answer a booke called a Quartron of Reasons for the Catholike religion which booke as I dedicate to your Honour so I humbly desire you to accept the same as a token of my dutifull minde towardes you The author of this pestilent pamphlet commendeth the Romish religion for peace dâ— privil 〈◊〉 yet Theodoricus de Niem saith that vnum patet one thing is manifest after the suppression of the Imperiall power nothing but factions did spring vp in the Catholike Church especially in Italie And as he is not ashamed to lie in this point so doth he also in saying that in England all were Papists without exception from the first christening thereof vntill this age of king Henrie the eight yet Ministers were married many hundred yeares in England as M. Camden sheweth in his Britannia in many places In the 129. page of the third edition he prooueth that ante annum 1102. sacerdotibus vxores in Anglia non fuerunt interdictae Ministers were not restrained from marriage before the yeare of our Lord a 1102. And as Ministers were married so Transubstantiation was not acknowledged likewise a long time as may be seene by Aelfricus his epistle against the bodily presence Moreouer the author as he laboureth to disgrace all Protestants in generall so especially he inueyeth against Luther wherefore to stoppe the mouthes of Papists I will set downe the testimonie of Langius a Papist concerning Luther First he saith that he was vir venerandus profundissimus Theologus a reuerend man and most profound Diuine Afterward he writeth thus Martinus ille theologorum nostrae tempestatis omnium facile princeps doctrinam suam Evangelicis testimoniis divi Apostoli Pauli necnon priscorum orthodoxorum patrum originalibus dictis roborans comprobans perstitit invictus The same Martin the most wise ringleader of the diuines of our age confirming and strengthening his doctrine with testimonies out of the Gospel and out of S. Paul the Apostle and also with the originall sayings of the ancient orthodoxall fathers perfisted invincible This testimonie may suffice to cleare Luther from the friuolous quarrels that this slanderer hath written against him Bellarmine maketh the confession of the aduerse part to be a note of the Church Hence then are we prooued the Church by this confession of Langius The same author exceedingly commendeth Hierome of Prage saying that he was orator eloquentissimus atque acerrimus dialecticus adeo quod nullus doctissimorum virorum in Concilio disputando eum superare poterat He was the most eloquent Orator and fine Logician that the learnedest man in the Councell could not ouercome him in disputation Mutius his testimonie of the same man is worthie to be heard Erat saith he Hieronymus vir eloquentissimus insignis cum in omni philosophiae genere tum praecipue in sacris literis Hierome was a most eloquent and famous man in all philosophie but especially in the holy Scriptures Now what cause this proud Papist hath to vaunt of their owne learning and to disgrace the Protestants let euery man iudge seeing Protestants by the Papists owne confession haue beene such famous men Lastly not to be long the author of this booke extolleth the holinesse of their religion touching which point let that ancieÌ„t writer Aronobius speak who in his seuenth booke hath this sentence Crescit multitudo peccantium cum redimendi peccati spes datur facile itur ad culpas vbi est vaenalis ignoscentium gratia Sinners doe much encrease when there is hope giuen to redeeme their sinnes and men easily commit faults where pardons are sold Then is the Romish religion dissolute which selleth pardons Not to proceede any further the Lord multiplie his graces vpon you and your vertuous Ladie to your soules good and the benefit of his Church Your Honours euer to command Francis Dillingham THE FIRST REASON Of Prophesies IF M. Doctor had contended pondere argumentorum and not multitudine with sound arguments and not with a multitude he might happily haue perswaded some to his religion whereas now by reason of the weaknes of his reasons he hath rather hindred many from the same then moooued any vnto it That which is commonly said of pictures hath a fit place in this worke of doctor Hill Picturae eminus
of Papists it may not be tollerated for why may they not as well be called Petrians and therefore I say with Nazianzen 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 In dic Christs I will not be named of men beeing borne of God In Psal 44. and with Augustine Sumus Christiani non Petriani we are Christians not Petrians I cannot let passe his ignorance in saying that all heretikes haue alwaies taken their names of some one who began that heresie For not to take exception against his speach by the first authors of heresie as Nestorius Pelagius euery meane diuine knoweth that many heretikes haue their names of their heresie not of their author as Apostolici Cathari and others If the Lutherans haue changed the word Catholike in the Creede draw your penne against them and not against the church of England But it is a perilous matter for some of our translations to say for an heretike a man that is the author of sects His owne men so translate the word heresie Act. 24. chap. 28. chap. A great matter to english a greeke word Thankes be to God that you haue no other cauills against our translations I hope such pelting will driue men from Poperie Your saying out of Hierome galleth your selues and prooueth you to be sectaries as beeing named Dominicans Franciscans Iesuits and with diuers other names Therfore please not your selues any longer with a bare name without the subiect matter for that is like a pearle in the snowt of a swine The 3. reason vnitie and consent Hauing answered two of the Doctors reasons I come to handle the third in which he vaunteth of vnitie after this manner The Catholike religion hath varietie of doctrine with diuersitie of manners yet euer kept vnitie in such a peaceable manner as neuer any disagreed in any point of doctrine Blush M. Doctor at this notorious vntruth I haue in my disswasiue from Poperie gathered 20. contradictions betwixt Papists in matters of faith and to giue you a tast of your vnitie I will set downe your harmonie about Antichrist Some Papists hold Mahomet to be Antichrist Bellarmine in his 3. booke de Rom. Pont. cap. 3. This is denied by other because say they Antichrist shall be one singular man Secondly some Papists teach that Antichrist shall arise of the tribe of Dan cap. 11. yet Bellarmine confesseth that this opinion is not certaine because no scripture conuinceth it Thirdly the Papists teach that Antichrist shall raigne but three yeares and an halfe yet Hentenius confuteth this opinion Fourthly some Papists teach that Antichrist shall vtterly extinguish the faith as I prooued before Bellarmine denieth this not without cause Fifthly the Rhemists say that it may well be that Antichrist shall sit at Rome Bellarmine will haue him to sit at Ierusalem I will not follow any more contradictions about this opinion but come to their vnitie in Idolatrie Catharine affirmeth the commandement which concerneth Images to be temporall and positiue is not this goodly diuinitie others denie it Caietan confoundeth an Idol and an Image Bellarmine cannot beare this doctrine Aquinas will haue the crosse of Christ to be worshipped with diuine honour others renounce Aquinas in this point Alphonsus de Castro counteth Serenus and Epiphanius enemies to Images Bellarmine confuteth Alphonsus his opinion Abulensis and Peresius teach that Images of God are not to be made Bellarmine like an Idolater alloweth Images of God himselfe Augustine speaketh plainly against this diuelish diuinitie Nulla Imago Dei coli debet nisi illa quae hoc est quod ipse nec ipsa pro illo Epist 1â—9 sed cum illo No image of God must be worshipped but that which is God and that not for God but with God By these contrarieties euery man may see the popish harmonie Now I reduce the Argument into a syllogisme Where vnitie is there is the Church But the Papists haue vnitie Ergo. The proposition and assumption are both false and whereas he would prooue the proposition out of the 4. of the Acts and 17. of S. Iohn we must know that an vnitie in true doctrine is there commended and praied for Si vultis saith Augustine vivere de spiritu sancto c â—6 serm de temp tenete charitatem amate veritatem desiderate vnitatem vt perveniatis ad aeternitatem If you will liue according to the holy spirit then imbrace loue make much of truth and desire vnitie that you may come to eternitie Vnitie therefore in veritie must bring vs to eternitie But in sadnes is there no Church where there are dissentions â— book tripar hist 12. chap. Themistius wrote to Valens that he should not be cruell to Christians for difference in Ecclesiasticall opinions for amongst the Pagans there were more then three hundred sects Will you M. Doctor cut off the Church of Corinth from the bodie of the Church because of dissentions What shall become of Paul and Barnabas Cyprian and Cornelius Epiphanius and Chrysostome with diuers others And to stay thy minde Christian Reader touching this point of dissentions I desire thee first to consider that all men haue not the same measure of the spirit and therefore there must needes be contentions God his gifts are diuers to one man he giueth greater knowledge then to another therefore Paul saith when perfection of knowledge commeth there shall be an vnitie in opinions which is not to be looked for in this vale of miserie Secondly vaine-glorie the mother of mischieuous contentions is not wholly driuen out of men that liue in the Church I would to God it were for then many broyles would haue an ende Maruell not then gentle Reader though there be varietie of opinions I might inlarge these reasons and annex moe but I desire breuitie The Doctor here to amplifie our diuisions without all conscience chargeth vs with the heresies of Anabaptists Adamites Striblerians and many other which we condemne to the pit of hell But for a testimonie of our vnitie let our heauenly harmonie of Confessions be read in which a man may see our consent to be greater then the Papists would wish The scornefull name of Parlimentarie religion I leaue to God to reuenge if Queene Marie might receiue the Pope by Parliament why might not Queene Elizabeth doe as much for Christ And thus I retort the argument Where there are diuisions there is no Church But amongst Papists are diuisions Ergo. In the ende of this reason he concludeth with a manifest vntruth saying that all decrees of lawfull Councells and of Popes doe agree in points of doctrine one with another Good God! what dare not this man affirme I passe by Councells and come to Popes Pope Nicholas auoucheth that Baptisme may be giuen and ministred onely in the name of Christ which is a false opinion as Bellarmine himselfe confesseth Pope Pelagius contrariwise decreed that it ought to be ministred in the name of the blessed Trinitie Aquinas 3. par quaest 66. art 6. In
epist 1. ad Cor. cap. 7. But let Erasmus speake concerning this matter Qui sit how commeth it to passe saith he that the decrees of this Pope fight with the decrees of that Pope That I say nothing of Formosus doe not the decrees of Iohn the 22. and Nicholas fight one against another what should I speake of Innocentius and Coelestinus Pelagius and Gregories decrees one contrarie to another By these examples appeareth the Doctors vanitie The fourth reason conuersion of countries In this fourth reason the framer of it according to his custome beginneth with an vntruth saying that all countries which euer beleeued in Christ were first conuerted to his faith by such as either were precisely sent or at least wise had their authoritie from the Pope The Apostles which receiued authoritie from Christ himselfe not from Peter conuerted many countries That the Apostles receiued authoritie from Christ himselfe the scriptures are plaine in the 20. of Iohn our Sauiour saith As the father hath sent me so send I you what can be more plaine Paul saith of himselfe that he was an Apostle neither of men nor by men but by Iesus Christ How many countries did Paul conuert Concerning this land I spake something before Read Theodoret his 4. booke and 3. chap. where he reckneth England amongst the Christian lands Chrysostome as the same writer testifieth comparavit viros aemulatores Apostolicorum laborum eosque ad Scythias misit prouided men followers of the Apostles labours and sent them to the Scythians The Indians were conuerted by Frumentinus whome Athanasius ordained Bishop as the same author testifieth in his 1. booke and 12. chap. The people of Iberia were conuerted per captivam mulierem by a woman that was a captiue Ruff. lib. 1. cap. 10. by all which cleare and pregnant proofes euery man may see the boldnes of the authors assertion But now I come to reduce his reason into a syllogisme They which take paines in conuersion of countries hold the true religion But the Papists take paines in conuersion of countries ergo I denie the proposition and say to the Papists as our blessed Sauiour spake to the Pharisies Math. 23. woe be to you Papists for ye compasse sea and land to make one of your profession and when he is made ye make him twofold more the child of hell Heretikes haue laboured to conuert or rather to peruert men Paul in the 2. Tim. 3.13 affirmeth that euill men shall waxe worse and worse deceiuing and beeing deceiued The Arrians peruerted many kingdomes Read Sigebert in his chap. de regno Gothorum as witnes Theodoret and others writers As touching the conuersion of the west Indians if things be true that are reported Sadeel con are pos in novo illo orbe amplius decies centena millia barbarorum aut fame aut gladio perierunt in the new found world aboue tenne hundred thousand haue perished either by famine or by sword If our Sauiour Christ had saide Goe kill all nations when he saide Goe teach all nations he had fitted the Papists humour What Gregorie spent in founding Seminaries to restore Catholike religion I know not but this I am sure of that Papists haue taken paines in contriuing of treasons here in England But to returne to the Indies The people there liued not onely without all manner of knowledge of God but also wilde and naked without any ciuill gouernement Iuel 42. pag. beeing in this miserable estate some worshipped the sunne some familiar deuills what maruell then if they were easily ledde into any religion especially carrying such a shew of apparrell and other ceremonies But doe not the Protestants take paines in winning of soules vnto God Calvine not to speake of others read almost two hundred lectures euery yeare and preached aboue two hundred sermons Who conuerted England Scotland Ireland and other countries from Antichrist to Christ from the Masse to the Messias from Images to the seruice of the liuing God did not poore Luther Zwinglius Oecolampadius and other Protestants the ministers of England labour in their owne charges preaching in season and out of season God is as well glorified in the conuersion of a soule here as in other countries But doe the Papists now labour in conuerting of soules in times past it was not so hodie proh dolor saith Aeneas Sylvius Lib. 1. de geâ—â— con Basil now alas he is a rare Prelate which doth not preferre temporall things before spirituall things Againe Nos ignavia nostra nimia vitae cupiditate Christianam religionem ex toto orbe in angulum redegimus we by our lasinesse and great desire of life haue drawne religion out of the world into a corner of the same Clemangis in his booke which he wrote of the corrupt state of the Church speaketh thus Multò aequanimiùs ferunt decem millium animarum iacturam quà m decem solidorum Pontifices suas traditiones divinis longè mandatis anteponunt they had rather loose ten thousand soules then tenne shillings the Popes preferre their traditions farre before Gods commandements Thus then I returne the argument They which esteeme money more then the soules of men are not the true Church But the Papists esteeme money more then the soules of men Ergo. Whether M. Calvin sent ministers or no into new found lands I know not neither am I priuie to the successe they had Ezekiel was sent to the Iewes that they might know that there had beene a Prophet amongst them the fault is not in the doctrine but in the men who resist the same I will not dispute whether a wicked man may be a meanes to winne soules as a good master bestoweth a good almes by the ministerie of an euill seruant so also the mercifull Lord may call one to repentance by the meanes of another though he be an vnpenitent person The Doctors rayling vpon Luther Calvin and Peter Martyr calling his wife fustilugges fitteth the spirit of a Papist If Peter Martyrs lawfull wife deserueth the name of fustilugges what name doe the popish priests concubines deserue In that our Ministers trauell not without their wiues 1. Cor. â— I answer with Paul Haue we not power to lead about a sister a wife Beza his epistles and pistols are but words to fill vp pages and to wast paper But haue not the Protestants for-gone any worldly wealth to spread abroad religion why are they then exiles and haue witnessed their religion with their blood In a word Poperie gaineth more by wealth and armes then by conscience and if it gaineth any soundly it is by some reliques of truth which remaineth with them The fifth reason largenes of dominion through multitude of beleeuers That the Church which the Messias was to plant must be dispersed throughout all nations and kingdomes as the holy Prophets most plainly foreshewed we acknowledge neither needed the Doctor to haue produced so many testimonies I may well say of the Doctor as did
Aristippus of Dyonisius his liberalitie Tutò Dyonisius inquit liberalis est his enim qui multis indigent pauca mittit Platoni verò qui nihil accipit plurima Dyonisius saith Aristippus maintaineth all his liberalitie well enough for to the needie he sendeth fewe things but to Plato which lacketh nothing many gifts Euen so the Doctor in needelesse matters heapeth vp many testimonies but in matters of question he hath no proofe but bold assertions If he had prooued that these prophesies are verified in no religion but onely in the religion which now the Papists hold he had done well but hic labor hoc opus this is such paines as would make the Doctor sweat As the Prophets foretold the largenes of Christs religion 2. Thesâ— â— so Paul prophesied of an Apostasie from the same as the Rhemists confesse and as the same men write vpon the 12. of the Rev. where S. Iohn foresheweth that the Church shall flie into the wildernes that now in England The Church Catholike because it hath no publicke state or regiment nor open free exercise of functions may be said to be fled into the desart so say I of our Church in the raigne of Antichrist And thus I conclude As the Papists Church is now in England though not visible so was the Protestants in Antichrists raigne But the Papists Church is now in England Ergo. The proposition is manifest by S. Iohn who foretelleth the flight of the Church into the wildernes Let Reinerus speake Catal. test â—ec who was a popish inquisitour he saith that the poore men of Lyons were more pernitious to the Romish Church then all other sects for three causes first because it hath beene of longer continuance for some say that it hath endured since the time of Sylvester others say it hath endured since the Apostles time The second cause is because it is more generall for there is almost no land in which this sect doth not creepe The third cause is for that all other sects doe bring in an horrour with their heinousnes of their blasphemies against God This sect of the Leonists hath a great shewe of godlines because they liue iustly before men and beleeue all things well concerning God and all the articles which are contained in the Creede they blaspheme and hate onely the Church of Rome This is the testimonie of a cruell enemie and persecutor of them whereby euery man may see the Church to haue continued maugre Antichrist These men are knowne to haue continued in Bohemia Calabria Piemont and other places Their faith is printed in the booke called Fasciculus rerum expetendarum where who listeth may read the same But now I reduce his argument into a syllogisme They which haue the largest scope are the true Church But the Papists haue the largest scope Ergo. The proposition beseemeth an Ethnicke better then a Christian might not the heathen haue made the same against Christ The Pharisies argue indeede after the same manner Ioh. 7. Doth any of the Rulers beleeue in Christ so the Papists say Doe any Popes Cardinalls embrace Luthers doctrine In the 1. King 22. there are foure hundred Prophets against Michaiah yet Michaiah had the truth In the third of Daniel three onely resisted the Kings edict Esa 1.9 The Prophet Esai affirmeth that except the Lord had reserued a remnant they had bin as Sodom and Gomorrah Elias complaineth that he was left alone In the daies of Achab the altar of God was remooued and an idolatrous altar by the high Priests consent was set vp 1. king 16. and chap. 17.19 it is said that Iudah did not keepe the Lords commandements but walked in the errours of Israel Likewise Manasses and Amon built an idolatrous altar 2. king 21.4 5. and 22. v. might not they haue made the same argument Lib. de bre vitae Well saith Seneca Non tam benè cum rebus humanis agitur vt meliora pluribus placeant argumentum pessimi turba est It is not so well with humane affaires that most men like the best things the multitude is an argument of the worst Bellarmine hath this ingenious confession Si sola vna provincia retineret veram fidem adhuc verè propriè diceretur Ecclesia Catholica If onely one Prouince should retaine the faith yet that Prouince should be the true Church Therefore largenesse of dominion is not a note of the true Church But it is worthie to be noted first that this Doctour reckneth the largenesse of the Romane religion but for a thousand yeares for space then of sixe hundred yeares our Church had large dominion antiquitie then is with vs. Verily if our Church was ample for sixe hundred yeares I make no doubt of our religion and indeede the largenesse which the Prophets foretold was verified of the Apostolicall Church and by consequent of ours Let the Scriptures iudge whether we teach the same doctrnie that the Apostles did or no. I would not haue the Doctour to thinke that for a thousand yeares we had no church for that we alwaies had a Church I prooued before out of their owne writers Images were reiected by many Bishops seauen hundred yeares after Christ Ministers were likewise married as I shewed before for a thousand yeares And not to name many other points of doctrine Bellarmine prooueth the seauen Sacraments out of Peter Lombard is not this goodly doctrine which can bring no better authors for it then the master of sentences Barnard denieth merits Bellarmine answereth that he did it of humilitie at sancti humiles esse debent non mendaces Saints must be humble not liars In the yeare of our Lord one thousand one hundred and seauen the poore men of Leodium prooued Pope Paschal to be Antichrist In epist ad Pas Hactenus interpretabar say they ideo veluisse Petrum per Babilonem significare Romam quia tunc temporis Roma confusa erat Idololatria omni spurcitie at nunc dolor meus interpretatur quod Petrus prophetico spiritu dicens ecclesiam in Babilone collectam praedicit confusionem dissentionis qua hodie scinditur ecclesia I was wont to interpret that Peter by Babylon would signifie Rome because Rome at that time was confused with idolatrie and filthinesse but now my sorrow doth interpret vnto me that Peter calling the Church gathered togither in Babylon foresaw by the spirit of prophesie the confusion of dissention wherewith the Church at this day is rent in pieces And in the yeare of our Lord 1240. Cranâ— lib. â— Met. 18. many preachers in high Germanie did freely preach against the Pope Crantzius a man who greatly fauoured the Pope saith thus of them Quidam pulsatis campanis conuocatis baronibus terrarum certaine ringing the bells and calling the Barons of the countries are affirmed to preach publikely that the Pope was an heretike his Bishops and Prelates Symonists and heretikes Bertrame eight hundred yeares after Christ was an enemie vnto
Transubstantiation but you haue purged him to your perpetuall shame as testifieth your Index expurgatorius the title is vt liber Bertrami how the booke of Bertrame beeing amended may be tolerated But let it be graunted that the truth of doctrine was not publike for many yeares yet might there be a Church For at the comming of our Sauiour Christ the Pharisies had the gouernement and were blinde guides yet was there a Church and a number of chosen people as Ioseph Marie Simon and Anna. In Elias time when religion was corrupt the Lord had thousands which neuer bowed their knees to Baal But I returne the argument Largenes of dominion is a note of the Church But for many hundred yeares after Christ our Church had largenes of dominion Ergo. Secondly the Doctor fearing least our Church should flourish and dilate it selfe affirmeth that the Church is now old to make her flourish in her old age is to make her a monster Verily we acknowledge that shee flourished in her young age if these titles of young and old may be attributed to her but shall not the Church flourish in her old age as you speake M. Doctour what then is become of largenes of dominion If largenes of dominion be a note of the true Church then it shall be alwaies ample and large Indeede thankes be to God our Church now is ample as testifie England Scotland Denmarke Suetia Saxonie Helvetia and other countries and therefore the Doctour varieth in this point But that Antichrist shall be reuealed and the Church increase it is plaine out of the 2. Thess 2. where Paul prophesieth that the Lord shall consume him with the spirit of his mouth This to be done we see it daily with our eyes for by the preaching of the Gospel Antichrist is continually lessened Moreouer in this reason the Doctour affirmeth that persecution of any moment is not against Papists but onely in England The persecution of Papists in England is for treason as their owne writings testifie The title of the booke is this Important coÌ„siderations which ought to mooue all true Catholikes to acknowledge that the proceedings of her Maiestie since the beginning of her highnes raigne haue bin both mild and mercifull The Rhemists are contrarie to this Doctour for they writing vpon the 20. of the Rev. affirme Catholikes to be persecuted not onely in England but also in Scotland Flaunders and other places thus well heretikes agree amongst themselues To be briefe the Papists are so persecuted that they are benè habiti well liking as all men know and haue affluentiam honorum store of goods But the Doctour desireth to be told whether against all learned Physitians and against all Lawyers one or two of later yeares are to be credited I answer if they haue the truth on their sides they are Might not Michaiah haue beene posed with this question who was but one against foure hundred prophets Did not Paphnutius stand vp in the Councell of Nice and teach that a heauie yoke should not be laid on those which were dedicated to the ministerie Here was one against that famous Councell This question might well haue beene demaunded of Eugenius who would not obey the Councell of Basill 1â—00 de gest conc Ba. Aeneas Silvius writeth thus Neque in Concilio dignitas patrum sed ratio spectanda est in a Councell the dignitie of men is not to be regarded but reasons And againe Non ergo cuiusvis Episcopi mendacium quamvis ditissimi veritati praeponam pauperis praesbyteri I will not preferre Bishops vntruths before an Elders truth though one be rich and the other very poore What should I speake of Athanasius condemned in the Councell of Millan Panormitane is plaine Whiâ—ak 34. p. cont Dur. Plus credendum est vel simplici Laico scripturam proferenti quà m toti simul Concilio A lay-man is more to be beleeued alleadging scripture then a whole Councell Hierome translated the scriptures according to the Hebrew whereas before the authoritie of the 70. Ann. 39â— interpreters was currant yet saith Sigebert praevaluit authoritas Hebraica veritatis the authoritie of the Hebrew truth preuailed Hieroms act was against inveteratum vsum Ecclesiae the auncient custome of the Church Whereas he calleth Luther a loose Apostata and M. Calvin a soare backt priest for Sodomie I doubt not but that for such slaunders of these men good men shall more and more abhorre poperie And for thy satisfying Christian Reader I desire thee to read that which Erasmus hath written concerning Luther and that which is printed by Beza concerning Calvins life Sodomie is too common among Papists as witnesseth Picus Mirandula in his oration to Leo the tenth in these words Sacrae aedes ac templa lenonibus ac calamytis commissa Churches and temples are committed to bauds and boies abused contrarie to nature With Picus agreeth Mantuan Sanctus ager scurris venerabilis ara cynaedis seruit honorandae divum Ganymedibus aedes The Church lands are giuen to common lesters the sacred altars allotted to wantons the temples of Saints to boies prouided for filthie lusts Lastly whereas he faith that if he should refuse the Catholike Romane religion his Ancetours would vse such speeches as these doest thou condemne all our doings doest thou send vs all to hell c. I answer that God hath not referred vs from his word to our fathers Walke not in the precepts of your fathers Ezek. 20. neither obserue their manners nor defile your selues with their Idols saith the Lord. We condemne not our fathers except they condemned theÌ„selues Dei iudicia occulia sed semper iusta Gods iudgements are secret but alwaies iust If our fathers held the foundation as I hope many did they might be saued Ignosci potest simpliciter erranti he that erreth of ignorance sinneth lesse then he to whome knowledge is reuealed I conclude with Cyprian Si solus Christus audiendus if onely Christ must be heard we must not regard what any before vs hath thought meete but what Christ himselfe hath done for a man must not follow custome but Gods truth And with Prudentius who answereth Symmachus his obiection Nobis sequendi sunt parentes we must follow our fathers frustrà igitur solitis prava observatio inhaeres in vaine dost thou cleaue to custome ô wicked obedience The sixth reason Miracles M. Doctour Noli illud tà m confidenter affirmare quod socij tui falsum esse docuerunt auouch not that so boldly which your fellowes haue taught to be false True miracles say you were neuer wrought but by them which were of the true religion for that they are done onely by the power of God The Rhemists vpon the 9. of Marke are of another minde for thus they write Miracles are wrought sometimes by the name of Iesus whatsoeuer the man be when it is for the proofe of truth or for the glorie of God insomuch that Iulian the Apostata himselfe did driue away deuills with
booke of his Confessions shall finde that he did beleeue the Scriptures for themselues In his 14. chap. of the booke cited by the Doctor he writeth thus Quid putas faciendum nisi vt eos relinquamus qui nos invitant certa cognoscere postea imperant vt incerta credamus eos sequamur qui nos invitant prius credere quod nondum valemus intueri vt ipsa side valentiore facti quod credimus intelligere mereamur non iam hominibus sed ipso Deo intrinsecus mentem nostram firmante atque illuminante what haue we to doe but to forsake them that inuite vs to know certaine things and afterwards command vs to beleeue vncertaine things and to follow thē which inuite vs first to beleeue that which yet we are not able to behold that beeing made stronger through faith we may attaine to vnderstand that we beleeue now not men but God himselfe confirming and lightning our minde inwardly The spirit of God therefore must cause vs to beleeue otherwise we shall wauer and stagger To conclude this point many borne in heresie and schisme haue bin mooued by heretikes to beleeue the Scriptures is heresie therfore equal to the scriptures nothing lesse The three Creedes we receiue because the doctrine is contained in the scriptures but you doe not receiue Athanasius his Creede for he maketh but two places vitam aeternam ignem aeternum Omnes homines resurgent cum corporibus suis reddituri sunt de factis preprijs rationem qui benè egerunt ibunt in vitam aeternam qui verò malè in ignem aeternum All men shall rise with their owne bodies and shall giue an account of their deedes and they which haue done well shall goe into life euerlasting they which haue done euill into euerlasting fire You teach that Infants vnbaptized shall be in a brimme of hell and not in the fire of hell Thus if you had bin wise M. Doctor you would haue bin silent concerning these Creeds If I should shew your contrarieties to the Apostles creed I should be ouerlong That the holy Ghost doth proceede from the Father and the Sonne Lib. 2. de Christ cap. 22. Bellarmine prooueth plentifully out of the Scriptures What an ignorant Doctor is this that cannot see this mysterie prooued in holy Scripture Touching the tearmes as person Trinitie consubstantiall Sacraments what if they be not in Scriptures the heauenly doctrine signified by the words is contained in scriptures If these wordes were necessarie to saluation then men were damned before they were inuented which I thinke the Doctor will not grant for many beleeued the things although the names were not extant Augustine calleth the bookes of Tobie and other Canonical because they were read to edification for I hope you will not oppose his authoritie to so many Fathers as I haue before produced In the place by you cited he will haue those books which are receiued of all Churches preferred before those which some Churches receiue not hence it is manifest that he maketh not all of equall authoritie Lib. 2 con gaud cap. 23. Elswhere he will haue the bookes of Machabees read so it be non inutiliter sobriè not vnprofitably and soberly Why doth he giue this caution to these bookes if they were of like authoritie And in his booke de praed Sanct. c. 14. he confesseth when he did produce a testimonie out of the booke of Wisdome that the brethren did reiect it there he contendeth not much for it If it had bin Canonicall he should not haue so remissely pleaded for it Thus it appeareth why he calleth these books canonical Where you say that no heretike can charge the Church with adding or diminishing one iot from the Scriptures we must admire Gods prouidence and his loue towards his church he preserueth the Scriptures though men would take thē out of the world But if you meane that the church of Rome hath not altered the holy Scriptures you must know that the Papists hold the Hebrew and the Greeke text to be corrupt and haue established a Latin translation differing farre from the Hebrew and Greeke and is not this to alter the scriptures If I should shew the corruptions of that trāslation I should be very tedious I will name one in the 1. of the Hebr. it is said Christ hath purged our sinnes by himselfe these words by himselfe are cleane stricken out of their Rhemists translation what an intollerable corruption is this But I will conclude the matter in a syllogisme They which establish a corrupt translation alter the scriptures or at least a iot of the same But the Papist establish a corrupt translation Ergo. And indeede I cannot sufficiently wonder at them who establish their Latine translation eo nomine because it is Hieroms and yet will not allow his translations of the Psalmes what dealing with the Scriptures is this he hath corrected that translation of the Psalmes which they vse and yet they haue defied it You further demand why we should trust the Church of Rome rather in this then in other things I answer first that as I haue prooued we trust not the Church of Rome but the scriptures themselues secondly it is a ridiculous consequent We beleeue the church of Rome in this point ergo we must doe so in all other To make your follie manifest vnto you selfe M. D. you beleeue the church of England in some points will you doe so in all I would it were so That we haue had nothing to doe with the Bible for a thousand yeares and that we haue robbed the Church of many bookes are detestable vntruths But I pray you Syr were not the scriptures preserued in the Greeke church as well as in the Romish church did not the Iewes keepe the scriptures and yet to vse your phrase our Sauiour wrested thē out of their hands not as iust but as vniust possessours of them The Pharisies might haue vsed the same speech to our Sauiour Christ that the Doctor doth to vs. He hath three other questions in this chapter The first is how we relying onely vpon scripture can shew certainly which bookes be scripture and which not This question I haue at large answered in this chapter and therefore I will not repeat my answer Secondly he would know of the vnlearned Protestant how he knoweth the translations to be true I answer that it is not necessarie to know euery thing to be truly translated The spirit of God speaking in the scriptures certifieth the conscience of the vnlearned that the scriptures in the English tongue are the scriptures The third question it why we beleeue our owne iudgements rather the Luthers or Calvins I answer we beleeue their iudgements that bring best proofes out of Scriptures But M. Doctor because you haue posed vs with so many questions now I will pose you with one likewise Why doe you receiue your latin translation rather vpon this Popes authoritie
he chargeth vs with the same crime because we teach euery sinne to deserue eternall damnation which doctrine his owne men haue taught as I haue prooued These doctrines might haue serued to haue returned this vntruth vpon his head but let vs further see into their doctrine It is not lawfull for the faithfull to marrie with infidells for Paul saith 1. Cor. 6. be not yoked with infidells yet the Pope may dispence in this point Bellar. lib. 1. de Mat. cap. 23. who gaue the Pope leaue thus to play with Gods word Secondly God forbiddeth diuerse degrees of kindred yet the Pope despenseth with them if Gods word bee holy the Popes doctrine is prophane and sheweth him to be Antichrist sitting in the Temple as God Thirdly subdeacons may not marry yet the Pope dispensed with them Greg. lib. 1. Epist Cap. 42. Fourthly God commandeth the children to honour Parents but the papists teach that they may enter into the state of Monkes and Nunnes without the parents consent Bellar. lib. 2. de me 36 cap. Fiftly the Pope should honour the magistrate as beeing his father but the Emperour kisseth is toe Sixtly the Papistes allowe stewes and one calleth them a nenessarie euill God saith Deut. 23.27 There shall be not whore of the daughters of Israel Seauenthly the Papists teach that the Seriptures are not to be read of all men a doctrine tending to ignorance and prophane life Eightly the Papists say that the passions of Saints are ioyned to Christs passion to make vp the treasure of the Church a most blasphemous doctrine against Christs sufferings which are of infinit valour Bell. lib. de Indulg Ninthly the Papists teach that Saints may be called our redeemers after a certaine respect though not simply Bellarm. eodem lib. if there were nothing but this one thing in Poperie a man should euer detest the same Tenthly the Papists teach that it is better to commit fornication then to marrie after a vow as I prooued which is most filthie and odious doctrine 11. The Papists teach that in this life and after death the Pope may giue pardons which is a most dissolute doctrine as is the doctrine of purgatorie Giue good store of gold and siluer and thou shalt haue pardon alas what will not a man giue for the redemption of his soule 12. The Papists teach that some sinnes deserue not death of their own nature which maketh men to commit these smal sinnes whereas the greatnes of sinne terrifieth men from it Thus M. Doctor behold your holy doctrine and now I returne your speach if the Papists doctrine open the right way to heauen then is the way to heauen most pleasant and delightfull to flesh and blood and consequently most easie to be walked The 14. reason Negatiue Doctrine Although this reason with the rest following hath no substance but many vaine words yet I will examine it with the others that followe Pope Boniface robbed the Church and â—â—ed to Ierusalem Fas. Tmp. pag. 70. Albertus robbed the Church by Papall authority â—â—n 90â— Whether Tarltons father spoiled the Church as the Doctor reporteth I am ignorant but if you thus dispute M. Doctor Tarletons father solde the lead off the parish Church Ergo the religion in England is a false religion Tarleton himselfe I am sure had more wit then you you are beholding to his father for this fact for otherwise as it seemeth you had wanted matter to fill vp your chapter as for the destroying of Abbeis Monasteries Nunries Chauntries Altars you might admire the iust iudgment of God vpon such places which beeing abused to Idolatrie and to filthie lust whordome and Sodomie are changed to other vses your owne prelates also in king Henrie his daies committed Abbey lands to the Princes disposition And if you thinke it carnall libertie to possesse any such Church goods you may doe well to perswade a number of your fauorites to renounce the possession of their Abbey lands and to restore them to the Church If you refuse so to doe I will say no more you are libertines your selues by your own verdict Who first annexed parsonages to abbeyes but Papists and this thing hath not a little maimed Gods Church Who first exacted first fruits but the couetous Pope read M. Doctor Fasciculum rerum expetendarum what orations are there against them If your Abbeyes be spoiled blame your selues for Iulian the Cardinall writing to Eugenius saith iusto Dei Iudicio fiet quòd quia nolumus dimittere Concilium fieri perdemus temporalitatem nostram vtinaus non corpora animas By the iust iudgement of God it shall come to passe because we will not suffer a Councell that we shall leese our temporalities and I would to god we might not leese our bodies and soules Touching first fruits saith the Author of the oration against them that exorbitanter factum fuerat contra ius iustitiam in oppressionem praelaturarum ecclesiarumque manasteriorum beneficiorum etiam personarum quibus contigerat It was exorbitantly done against right and equitie to the oppression of Praelacies Churches Monasteries Benefices and also the persons to whome it happened If some Lutherane as you call them had thus written you might haue discredited it but now you haue no cause so to doe No maruaile then if others followed the Popes example If these testimonies will not suffice call to minde the popes confession namely Adrians that Omne malum à Curia Romana processit All wickednesse proceeded from the Romane Court. Thus you haue gained little by this your preface to negatiue doctrine I might answer this reason onely with the like namely that the Papists standeth vpon meere negatiues as these I denie Christ to be the onely king Priest and Prophet of his Church I denie that onely God is to be called vpon I denie the Scriptures to containe sufficient doctrine vnto saluation I denie we are saued onely by Christ thus I might proceede and shew that your religion standeth vpon destructiues But I will giue you arguments for the opinions which we hold And to beginne with Baptisme with which you likewise beginne you hold it to be simply necessarie vnto saluation we denie it affirming that Gods grace is not tied to the Sacraments but that he may dispense it as it pleaseth him The theefe vpon the crosse was saued without baptisme ergo it is not simply necessarie Valentinian died without baptisme as Ambrose reporteth and yet he doubted not of his saluation And if it be necessarie simply vnto saluation it is by this place in the 3. of Iohn No man can enter into the kingdome of heauen except he be borne of water and of the spirit but this place doth not prooue a simple necessitie for Bellarmine teacheth that baptisme was not necessarie simply before the passion of Christ therefore this place prooueth it not We say therefore with Bernard Non carere baptisme seà contemnere capitale est epist 77. not the
doubt not but his lawe is now ouerthrowne Palingenius describeth at large the notorious corruption of the Romane Cleargie Sed tua precipuè non intrent limina quisquam Frater vel Monachus vel quauis leg◠sacerdos Hos fuge pestis enìm nulla hac ìmmanìor hì sunt Fax hemiuum fons stultitiae sentina malorum Agnorum sub pelle lupi mercede colentes Non pietate Deum falsa sub imagine recti Decipiunt stolidos ac relligionis in vmbra Mille actus vetitos ac mille piacula condunt Raptores maechi puerorum corruptores luxuriae atque gulae famuli caelestia vendunt Hos impostores igitur vulpesque dolosas Pelle procul Let no Frier Monke or Priest come within thy dores take heed of them no greater mischeife can be these are the dregges of men the fountaines of folly the sinckes of sinne wolues vnder lamb skinnes seruing god for reward not for deuotion deceiuing the simple with a false shewe of honestie and vnder the shaddowe of religion hiding a thousand vnlawfull actes a thousand hainous offences committers of rapes fornicators abusers of boyes slaues of gluttonie and luxurie they sell heauenly things these impostors and craftie foxes chase farre from thee It grieueth me to rake the dunghill of these loathsome Papists liues yet if these testimonies will not suffice heare Bernard Quià tam notum saeculis Lib. 4. ad Euge. quà m proteruia fastus Romanorum gens insueta paci tumultui assueta What hath beene so famous as the frowardnesse and the haughtinesse of the Romans a nation not acquainted with peace accustomed to tumults I am sparing in his testimonies because I produced one of them before Pope Adrian confessed as I haue shewed that all mischeife came from Rome I let passe the reformation of the Cleargie by Petrus de Alliac◠Picus Mirandula thus writeth Inorat ad Leo. Apud plerosque religionis nostrae primores aut nullus aut certe exiguus Dei cultus nulla bene vinendi ratio atque institutio nullus pudor nulla modestia nulla iustitia Amongest the cheife of our religion there is no seruice of God at all or very small no course of liuing wel no modestie no iustice Read his oration vnto Leo the 10. Christian reader if thou wilt see the monstrous liues of Papists Antonius Cornelius saith to the Cleargie of Colon that non decet tot scorta alere it is an vnseemely thing to nourish so many whores What should I speake of Nicholaus Clemanges his booke written of the corrupt state of the Church It would make a man wonder to see the wofull estate of those times Gildas his complaint of the nobilitie and laitie of England is lamentable Tom. 5. he saith that there was not onely fornication but omnia vitia quae humanae naturae accidere solent All vices which could happen vnto man and concerning the Cleargie he testifieth that it had sacerdotes multos impudentes Many impudent priests wolues readie to deuoure the soules of men The reading of his inuectiues hath not a little affected me for to behold what things he hath written would drawe teares out of a hard heart Master Harding calleth stewes a necessarie euill In 41◠O notorious wickednesse I am loath to shewe howe some Papists haue written that no man is to be deposed for fornication except he continue in it I onely say with Mantuan Viuere qui sanctè cupitis discedite Roma omnia cum liceant non licet esse bonum you that wish to liue godly depart from Rome all things are there suffered saue godlinesse Nowe I reduce your reason into a syllogisme They which haue holinesse of life are the true Church But the Papists haue holinesse of life ergo I answer to the proposition that there may be externall holines in a false religion and so by consequent it is false for the truth of the assumption let the authors before cited determine the same Augustine opposeth to the continencie of th◠Manichees the cōtinencie of Monkes vpon which Erasmus hath this note vtinam mundus nunc haberet tales I would the world had such nowe by which speech he sheweth what popish monkes were concerning the liues of protestants I would that all which are professors were expressers My purpose is not to defend the loosenes of their actions for my part I thinke that these loose liuers are tanquam materia prima as fit to receiue popery as any other religion I say therfore with Augustine Lib. 2. de mo Man cap. 34. Nolite consectari turbas imperitorum qui vel in ipsa religione superstitiosi sunt vel ita libidiuibus dediti vt obliti sunt quicquid promiserunt Doe Seeke not after the rude multitude which are either superstitious in religion or so giuen to lusts that they haue forgotten their promise to God but touching the true professors of the Gospel they shall be found in trial alwaies as honest as papists where you say that loosenes issueth out of the bowells of our doctrine and that our ministers are all naught I doubt not but that God wil reward you accordingly for these your slanderous wordes 2. Cor. 10.18 Paul saith not he which commendeth him selfe is approued but he which God commendeth We care not for your commendations Master Doctor we desire to approoue our selues vnto God it is your Doctrine that admitteth loosenes of life as I haue shewed and now I will make it more plaine The Popes pardons are a most licentious doctrine Iohannes Papa tertius vicesimus plenariam peccatorum remissionem indulsit his qui ad tuendā ecclesiam arma induerant pope Iohn the 23. gaue a full pardon of sinnes to those that tooke armes to defend the Church Who would not commit adulterie and other sinnes if the pope can giue him a pardon of all his sinnes for taking so small paines as to defend the Church Pope Boniface as it is to be seene in his Bull giues plenissima veniam peccatorum a most full pardon of all sinnes surely if the pope for money will giue such pardon he may haue catholikes good store The doctrine of vowes is also a sinfull doctrine as the wolrd can testifie and to what end tendeth the popes forbidding of more degres in marriage then God hath and dispencing with those which God hath forbidden but to maintaine couetousnes cōcerning the bloody tragedies raised in Fraūce although I loue not to meddle with such matters yet knowe Christian reader that those of the reformed religion in taking armes to defend the lawes and liberties of their countrie against priuate persons haue done nothing but in the Kings seruice The bloodie actes of Papists are notorious to the world The rest of the Doctors railing in this chapter is not worthy any aunswer They pray forsooth whilest our ministers play they fast whilest we feast Againe saith he are not some of them hanged for robberies for rapes imprisoned for sorcerie and for
temple and a church as I haue prooued Thirdly he saith that by meanes of Images pictures crosses the most vnlearned amongst the people knowe more of the misteries of christian religion then some of our ministers know If this be so it is a horrible shame for ministers for this I know that some vnlerned people haue worshipped Images as gods but indeed what is this but to contemne gods wisome and ordinance who hath not ordained Images to teach the people but his word to instruct them Take heed M. Doctor of this horrible sinne to make your selues wiser then God Fourthly the Doctor saith that we haue noe more warrant for solemnizing of the sonday then we haue for S. Lawrence his day for other reason or warrant we haue none but the authoritie of the Roman church fye fye M. Doctor that you should thus bewray your ignorance Bellarmine in his third booke de cul Sanct. and 11. chap. prooueth the obseruation of the Lordes day by the scriptures if you can prooue the obseruation of S. Lawrance his day by the same warrant you may doe well to shewe vs some of your arguments Other things of lesse moment I let passe because I labour for breuitie The 21. reason The Protestants beginning and proceeding against their consciences This chapter hath many wordes to little purpose first Luther is charged to say that he could see into another mans heart or cōscience who will beleeue Luther should speake thus except he meant he could doe it by plaine words and manifest deeds this M. Doctor you confesse your selfe may be done I hope if Luther saie that he could see into another mans conscience he had no other meaning but by plaine words and manifest deeds Luther was not so sottish as you would beare men in hand to make himselfe a God But M. Doctor if your reason be good to prooue that some Protestants speake and write against their consciences because they suspect others to doe so for commonly a man thinketh others to be as himselfe is then you speake and write against your conscience because you are suspitious yea vpon ridiculous reasons and vntruths you charge men to write against their consciences This is your own reason and argument and therefore cannot be denied For proofe that you charge men to write against their cōsciences onely vpon ridiculous reasons let the reader iudge I will set down your arguments Luther confessed that he began against his conscience ergo he proceeded so M. Doctor to admit your antecedent who wil graunt your consequent for here you say that he proceeded so farre as he thought that by desperate necessitie he must go on and so compare him to Iulius Caesar The truth is he ended his life most heauenly as M. Doctor Whitakers sheweth out of Melancthon and Sleidon We will not credit your slaunderous writings of him but the writings of the forenamed men From Luther the Doctor commeth to Zwinglius who is said to haue denied secretly the reall presence for many yeres before he brake off frō the Roman Church but yet inwardly he dissembled his mind What then if Zwinglius did thus did he therefore proceed against his conscience because he remained sometime in the Romane church after he had seene the trueth of the Sacrament What honest man would shape such conclusions If this be to proceede against conscience Papists in England proceede against their consciences for they continue in our Church though they secretly dissemble their opinions many examples hereof might be giuen Touching Nemo the Anabaptiste what haue we to doe with him The Protestants haue most soundly confuted the sect of Anabaptists when Papists haue taken their ease And Christian Reader I desire thee to behould howe the Doctor dealeth whether against his owne conscience or no I leaue to God in charging vs with Anabaptists speeches whereas we renounce such lewd sectaries as he himselfe can testifie Thomas Bell is as I thinke aliue and therefore can answer for himselfe Wherefore I leaue him who hath learnedly written against Poperie and come to Melancthon who is charged to proceede against his conscience because he was sad and gaue himselfe to weeping O M. Doctor howe doe you forget your selfe is euery one a sinner against his conscience that weepeth and sorroweth and that cannot by and by be comforted Dauid was many times heauie and his soule had not alwaies comfort yet was Dauid a man after Gods owne heart Concerning Carolastadius I will not say any thing neither doe I regard what any Lutherane hath written of Zuinglius and Oecolampadius As for Bucer it is a lewde slaunder that he had no religion at all God wil be reuenged of you M. Doctor for blaspheming his seruants after this manner Bishop Iuell is charged to shewe himselfe without God and conscience he doth rent in peeces the text of Doctors and inuerteth the sense of the same If this reuerend Bishoppe had done thus his enemies would haue found it no doubt M. Doctor you would haue noted some places but seeing you haue noted no such corruptions we account it a detestable lie No no your owne men change the words of Fathers I will referre you to places Bellarm. lib. 1. de grat lib. arbit cap. 11. doeth shamefully corrupt Augustine as I haue shewed in another worke and in his 4. booke de amiss gra and 9. chap. he rendeth in peeces Hieroms saying Againe in his 3. booke de cult Sanct. cap. 9. he doeth horribly cite Eusebius So doeth he also in his 1. booke de Sanct. beat cap. 13. Thus he dealeth not onely with Fathers but with Caluin in his preface de libero arbit and his first booke de Sanct. beat cap. 1. 2. de iustif cap. 8. Read these places your selfe M. Doctor and compare them with the authors and see who corrupt fathers Many other testimonies I could produce but I desire not to be tedious If you could alleadge so many corruptions out of reuerend Iuell I thinke we should haue seene them Thus I pray you consider your owne argument They which corrupt Fathers sinne against their conscience But the Papists corrupt Fathers ergo Pag. 10. The assumption is prooued by the testimonies alleadged and to giue you one or two more Duraeus citing Augustine leaueth out these words Opera sequuntur iustificatum non praecedunt iustificandum Workes followe him that is iustified they goe not before iustification The Rhemists vpon the 19. of Mathew peruert Augustine his words cleane contrarie to his meaning affirming no man to be excluded from the gift of continencie whereas Augustine his meaning is that both the will to be chaste and the power to fulfill that will is the gift of God Nowe I might followe your example of bitternes seeing I haue giuen you so many corruptiōs but I leaue this course and desire you to remember your own argument I come to Papists who seeme to haue proceeded against their owne consciences One Papist in England as