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A12592 A godly treatise containing and deciding certaine questions, mooued of late in London and other places, touching the ministerie, sacraments, and Church Whereunto one proposition more is added. After the ende of this booke you shall finde a defence of such points as M. Penry hath dealt against: and a confutation of many grosse errours broched in M. Penries last treatise. Written by Robert Some Doctor of Diuinitie. Some, Robert, 1542-1609.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. Defence of that which hath bin written in the questions of the ignorant ministerie, and the communicating with them. 1588 (1588) STC 22909; ESTC S117654 118,250 200

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page_n 84._o they_o among_o we_o which_o be_v unbaptise_v do_v sin_n grienous_o if_o they_o do_v not_o present_v themselves_o to_o baptism_n chap._n 8._o page_n 88_o they_o which_o be_v once_o baptize_v must_v not_o be_v baptize_v again_o chap._n 19_o page_n 156._o they_o which_o be_v baptize_v of_o popish_a priest_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n receive_v true_a baptism_n etc._n etc._n chap_n 7._o page_n 79._o and_o chap._n 8._o page_n 88_o 89._o and_o chap._n 20._o page_n 156._o 157._o the_o false_a profession_n of_o christ_n in_o popery_n do_v not_o prove_v that_o the_o true_a christ_n be_v not_o in_o popish_a baptism_n cap._n 23._o pa._n 174._o whether_o infant_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v keep_v unbaptise_v then_o to_o be_v present_v to_o popish_a baptism_n chap._n 23._o page_n 180._o the_o infant_n of_o papist_n may_v be_v baptize_v in_o a_o reform_a church_n if_o some_o of_o the_o religion_n do_v present_v they_o to_o baptism_n &_o do_v undertake_v the_o godly_a education_n of_o they_o cha_n 17._o pag._n 150._o there_o have_v be_v &_o may_v be_v true_a baptism_n out_o of_o the_o church_n chap._n 21._o page_n 158._o though_o true_a baptism_n be_v among_o the_o donatist_n out_n of_o the_o church_n august_n do_v not_o give_v leave_n to_o any_o of_o the_o church_n to_o present_v their_o infant_n to_o be_v baptize_v there_o cap._n 21._o pa._n 159._o they_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o the_o holy_a supper_n which_o be_v administer_v by_o unpreach_v minister_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n chap._n 8._o page_n 88_o 89._o 95._o 98._o none_o unbaptise_v may_v receive_v the_o holy_a supper_n chap._n 8._o page_n 90._o 91._o 92._o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o administer_v the_o holy_a supper_n in_o a_o private_a house_n if_o some_o caution_n be_v observe_v chap._n 15._o page_n 141._o 142._o every_o legal_a uncleanness_n be_v not_o join_v with_o sin_n chap._n 9_o page_n 113._o the_o regenerate_a can_v fulfil_v the_o law_n of_o god_n cha_n 26._o pa._n 199_o 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write_v thus_o etc._n etc._n in_o popery_n there_o be_v no_o true_a christ_n whereunto_o man_n may_v be_v ingraff_v etc._n etc._n and_o a_o little_a before_o what_o baptism_n be_v that_o which_o be_v not_o a_o engraff_n into_o the_o true_a christ_n chap._n 23._o pag._n 173._o a_o little_a after_o he_o have_v these_o word_n there_o be_v no_o church_n at_o all_o in_o popery_n chap._n 23._o pag._n 175._o 176._o and_o in_o a_o other_o place_n etc._n etc._n that_o baptism_n be_v not_o out_o of_o the_o church_n if_o m._n penry_n shall_v answer_v that_o it_o be_v baptism_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n yesterday_o but_o it_o be_v not_o so_o either_o to_o day_n or_o to_o morrow_n because_o the_o christ_n profess_v now_o in_o popery_n be_v not_o a_o true_a but_o a_o divided_a christ_n i_o must_v needs_o tell_v he_o that_o christ_n in_o the_o popish_a profession_n be_v divide_v as_o well_o when_o her_o majesty_n etc._n etc._n be_v baptise_a as_o he_o be_v divide_v in_o the_o popish_a profession_n in_o this_o day_n beside_o m._n penry_n write_v that_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v never_o the_o temple_n of_o god_n since_o antichrist_n plant_v his_o pestilent_a chair_n therein_o chap._n 22._o pag._n 165._o to_o conclude_v see_v there_o be_v in_o m._n penryes_n judgement_n no_o church_n no_o baptism_n no_o ministry_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n etc._n etc._n i_o may_v be_v bold_a to_o affirm_v that_o in_o m._n penryes_n judgement_n her_o majesty_n and_o many_o thousand_o more_o be_v unbaptise_v m._n penry_n say_v that_o the_o holy_a supper_n be_v a_o extraordinary_a sacrament_n which_o be_v deliver_v private_o by_o a_o minister_n chap._n 14._o pag._n 139._o this_o error_n be_v condemn_v by_o m._n caluine_n who_o resolution_n be_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o administer_v the_o holy_a supper_n private_o if_o certain_a caution_n be_v
observe_v i_o rest_v in_o his_o judgement_n i_o refer_v you_o to_o chap._n 15._o page_n 141._o 142._o m._n penry_n say_v that_o they_o which_o communicate_v with_o unpreach_v minister_n approve_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o unpreach_a ministry_n chap._n 10._o pag._n 119._o this_o be_v a_o anabaptisticall_a fancy_n for_o s._n paul_n as_o m._n penry_n write_v communicate_v after_o his_o conversion_n with_o those_o priest_n which_o be_v as_o unlearned_a as_o ever_o any_o chap._n 11._o pag._n 128._o i_o refer_v you_o beside_o to_o my_o answer_n chap._n 10._o pag._n 119._o m._n penry_n be_v bold_a to_o control_v almighty_a god_n for_o bar_v the_o uncircumcised_a israelite_n from_o eat_v the_o paschall_n lamb_n his_o word_n be_v these_o why_o shall_v the_o godly_a of_o the_o family_n be_v exclude_v from_o the_o action_n the_o cause_n why_o they_o be_v uncircumcised_a not_o be_v in_o they_o chap._n 8._o pag._n 89._o this_o be_v intolerable_a sauciness_n it_o become_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n to_o 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work_n of_o the_o ministry_n as_o administer_a sacrament_n etc._n etc._n his_o word_n be_v these_o the_o call_n of_o a_o unpreach_a minister_n be_v not_o the_o call_n of_o the_o ministry_n because_o he_o sin_v in_o intermeddle_v with_o the_o work_v thereof_o chap._n 25._o if_o this_o be_v true_a the_o contentious_a minister_n of_o philippi_n be_v no_o minister_n for_o they_o sin_v in_o execute_v the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n that_o appear_v in_o these_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n some_o preach_v christ_n through_o envy_n and_o strife_n phi._n 1.15_o beside_o m._n penries_n ignorant_a levite_n be_v no_o priest_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o they_o sin_v in_o execute_v the_o priesthood_n that_o the_o outward_a approbation_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o make_v a_o minister_n chap._n 12._o page_n 131._o if_o he_o mean_v that_o it_o do_v not_o furnish_v a_o minister_n with_o knowledge_n i_o grant_v it_o if_o he_o mean_v that_o it_o do_v not_o make_v he_o a_o minister_n to_o 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