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A85228 Certain considerations of present concernment: touching this reformed Church of England. With a particular examination of An: Champny (Doctor of the Sorbon) his exceptions against the lawful calling and ordination of the Protestant bishops and pastors of this Church. / By H: Ferne, D.D. Ferne, H. (Henry), 1602-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing F789; Thomason E1520_1; ESTC R202005 136,131 385

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that_o our_o ordination_n be_v full_a and_o perfect_a for_o have_v acknowledge_v that_o vasques_n with_o other_o hold_v the_o immediate_a matter_n of_o ordination_n to_o be_v imposition_n of_o hand_n and_o the_o form_n to_o be_v in_o those_o word_n receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n which_o be_v to_o confess_v the_o substance_n or_o essence_n and_o so_o the_o validity_n of_o ordination_n to_o consist_v in_o that_o which_o we_o retain_v and_o use_v he_o make_v but_o a_o scholastic_a dispute_n of_o it_o the_o issue_n whereof_o be_v that_o vasques_n his_o opinion_n can_v but_o amount_v to_o a_o probability_n and_o therefore_o we_o be_v not_o certain_o but_o probable_o ordain_v pag._n 423._o etc._n etc._n let_v it_o be_v so_o in_o his_o opinion_n which_o yet_o come_v short_a of_o a_o certain_o null_a it_o be_v enough_o for_o we_o that_o we_o certain_o know_v that_o our_o way_n of_o ordination_n be_v according_a to_o and_o warrantable_a by_o scripture_n and_o can_v give_v reason_n as_o a_o little_a below_o why_o we_o omit_v many_o thing_n that_o they_o use_v 6._o second_o see_v the_o inference_n he_o make_v and_o the_o resolution_n he_o give_v concern_v their_o compound_a ordination_n come_v but_o to_o a_o juncta_fw-la juvant_n such_o as_o the_o advice_n of_o a_o friend_n to_o use_v all_o the_o ingredient_n of_o a_o recipe_n not_o be_v able_a to_o tell_v which_o give_v force_n to_o the_o medicine_n we_o may_v spare_v sure_o some_o of_o their_o mixture_n when_o we_o have_v better_a direction_n to_o tell_v we_o they_o be_v superfluous_a and_o noxious_a to_o the_o purpose_n they_o be_v use_v for_o but_o we_o will_v advise_v they_o to_o follow_v this_o resolution_n or_o advise_v in_o use_v the_o whole_a matter_n of_o the_o undoubted_a sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n substantial_o scrupulous_a in_o ceremonial_n careless_a and_o presumptuous_a in_o substantial_o and_o not_o think_v it_o enough_o to_o consecrate_v it_o in_o bread_n and_o wine_n but_o also_o to_o distribute_v it_o which_o be_v the_o purpose_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o both_o kind_n to_o the_o communicant_n dare_v they_o say_v of_o this_o sacrament_n it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o our_o saviour_n do_v appoint_v it_o in_o the_o determinate_a matter_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n if_o they_o dare_v yet_o be_v it_o wisdom_n according_a to_o champny_n former_a resolution_n and_o advise_v in_o point_n of_o ordination_n not_o to_o omit_v either_o part_n which_o our_o saviour_n have_v appoint_v and_o the_o ancient_a church_n constant_o administer_v to_o the_o people_n 7._o ordination_n of_o their_o unction_n in_o ordination_n now_o for_o our_o omission_n of_o their_o unction_n which_o be_v the_o main_a of_o those_o ceremony_n we_o use_v not_o we_o say_v they_o can_v prove_v it_o apostolical_a or_o that_o it_o be_v use_v in_o ordination_n by_o the_o greek_a church_n but_o admit_v it_o be_v use_v ancient_o in_o the_o western_a church_n we_o say_v it_o be_v but_o a_o tolerable_a or_o convenient_a rite_n or_o ceremony_n as_o be_v many_o other_o ancient_o use_v but_o not_o now_o see_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o reason_n there_o be_v wherefore_o we_o shall_v not_o continue_v some_o ancient_a ceremony_n after_o the_o infection_n of_o popish_a corruption_n as_o in_o this_o particular_a they_o have_v make_v order_n a_o sacrament_n and_o annex_v to_o this_o ceremony_n of_o unction_n a_o sacramental_a virtue_n we_o dare_v not_o be_v so_o bold_a and_o certain_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o be_v very_o wary_a and_o spare_v in_o ceremony_n to_o be_v use_v in_o and_o about_o any_o sacrament_n in_o sacrament_n we_o be_v to_o look_v at_o that_o which_o be_v signify_v or_o confer_v ceremony_n of_o significant_a ceremony_n grace_n which_o be_v the_o sole_a act_n of_o god_n be_v the_o thing_n confer_v and_o also_o signify_v but_o there_o be_v and_o may_v be_v also_o a_o signification_n of_o the_o duty_n of_o man_n who_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n now_o ceremony_n add_v do_v either_o signify_v the_o duty_n of_o man_n receive_v and_o these_o be_v the_o most_o innocent_a and_o to_o this_o sort_n may_v refer_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n which_o be_v use_v not_o to_o give_v any_o virtue_n any_o way_n but_o to_o signify_v the_o duty_n of_o the_o baptize_v not_o to_o be_v ashamed_a of_o christ_n crucify_v but_o manful_o to_o fight_v under_o his_o banner_n and_o to_o mind_v he_o of_o it_o a_o second_o sort_n be_v such_o as_o signify_v god_n act_n in_o the_o sacrament_n his_o impart_v of_o grace_n and_o to_o this_o purpose_n it_o be_v like_a they_o that_o first_o use_v chrism_n in_o baptism_n and_o so_o in_o ordination_n mean_v it_o to_o signify_v not_o confer_v that_o charisma_n spiritus_fw-la of_o which_o the_o father_n often_o this_o sort_n come_v very_o near_o to_o entrench_v upon_o god_n institution_n who_o appoint_v his_o sacramental_a symbol_n to_o signify_v his_o grace_n as_o also_o to_o confer_v it_o last_o therefore_o when_o ceremony_n be_v add_v by_o man_n not_o only_o to_o signify_v but_o with_o a_o kind_n of_o sacramental_a virtue_n to_o confer_v or_o derive_v the_o grace_n or_o work_v of_o god_n upon_o we_o it_o be_v high_a presumption_n and_o to_o this_o sort_n pertein_v the_o romish_a unction_n which_o make_v the_o most_o of_o they_o so_o earnest_o contend_v to_o have_v it_o the_o very_a matter_n of_o their_o sacrament_n of_o order_n and_o make_v we_o in_o the_o reformation_n of_o popish_a abuse_n to_o leave_v it_o off_o and_o we_o retain_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n though_o abuse_v in_o some_o measure_n by_o popish_a superstition_n because_o the_o native_a importance_n of_o it_o be_v the_o innocent_a and_o useful_a signification_n as_o i_o say_v of_o duty_n in_o the_o party_n baptize_v the_o like_o whereof_o can_v be_v say_v of_o unction_n 8._o ceremony_n no_o invalidity_n in_o our_o ordination_n by_o omit_v some_o of_o their_o ceremony_n and_o for_o the_o validity_n of_o our_o ordination_n notwithstanding_o the_o omission_n of_o divers_a of_o their_o ceremony_n and_o rite_n which_o burden_n rather_o than_o strengthen_v the_o work_n i_o will_v know_v of_o champny_n whether_o our_o baptism_n be_v not_o good_a and_o valid_a notwithstanding_o our_o omission_n of_o their_o chrism_n there_o too_o there_o be_v but_o two_o thing_n can_v be_v say_v either_o that_o our_o baptism_n be_v not_o valid_a and_o good_a which_o i_o suppose_v he_o dare_v not_o say_v or_o that_o there_o be_v not_o the_o like_a reason_n of_o baptism_n and_o ordination_n which_o he_o can_v say_v as_o to_o this_o point_n for_o though_o he_o may_v put_v a_o difference_n between_o they_o in_o regard_n of_o validity_n that_o depend_v upon_o the_o minister_n who_o in_o ordination_n be_v precise_o determine_v yet_o in_o regard_n of_o validity_n by_o reason_n of_o matter_n and_o form_n which_o be_v the_o present_a consideration_n he_o must_v say_v that_o baptism_n and_o order_n be_v both_o alike_o for_o to_o he_o as_o one_o be_v a_o sacrament_n so_o be_v the_o other_o and_o from_o the_o one_o he_o sometime_o argue_v to_o prove_v the_o like_a in_o the_o other_o as_o from_o the_o form_n of_o baptism_n to_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n as_o we_o see_v above_o in_o his_o 10._o chap._n and_o may_v below_o in_o his_o 14._o pag._n 480._o which_o because_o it_o make_v for_o better_a clear_v this_o business_n of_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n we_o will_v here_o insert_v 9_o there_o he_o thus_o argue_v quemadmodum_fw-la si_fw-la aliâ_fw-la formâ_fw-la &_o ritu_fw-la etc._n etc._n even_o as_o if_o parker_n for_o there_o he_o dispute_v against_o his_o ordination_n from_o the_o form_n of_o it_o have_v be_v baptize_v after_o any_o other_o form_n or_o manner_n than_o augustine_n deliver_v he_o have_v not_o receive_v true_a baptism_n so_o neither_o true_a ordination_n be_v ordain_v by_o another_o form_n than_o austin_n be_v ordain_v and_o do_v ordain_v by_o and_o pag._n 483._o he_o thus_o again_o argue_v against_o our_o answer_v that_o we_o retain_v in_o our_o form_n of_o ordination_n what_o be_v essential_a and_o according_a to_o scripture_n si_fw-mi nihil_fw-la aliud_fw-la ad_fw-la essentiam_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o nothing_o else_o pertein_a to_o the_o essence_n of_o baptism_n or_o holy_a order_n but_o what_o be_v express_v in_o scripture_n than_o the_o form_n both_o of_o baptism_n and_o ordination_n use_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v to_o be_v reject_v because_o no_o where_n express_v in_o scripture_n how_o false_a this_o no_o where_n express_v in_o scripture_n be_v of_o the_o form_n of_o baptism_n i_o note_v above_o under_o his_o first_o proposition_n and_o how_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n be_v in_o scripture_n either_o express_o contain_v or_o deducible_a and_o approvable_a by_o it_o be_v also_o there_o declare_v but_o by_o both_o these_o reason_v it_o appear_v that_o to_o he_o
archbishop_n parker_n ordination_n where_o his_o first_o exception_n be_v against_o the_o form_n as_o new_a and_o so_o acknowledge_v by_o mason_n say_v that_o matthew_n parker_n have_v the_o happiness_n to_o be_v the_o first_o of_o so_o many_o bishop_n since_o austin_n that_o receive_v consecration_n without_o pope_n bull_n pall_n etc._n etc._n p._n 478_o 479._o but_o this_o because_o it_o belong_v to_o the_o form_n of_o ordination_n i_o refer_v it_o thither_o and_o answer_v to_o it_o above_o in_o the_o former_a chapter_n 1._o ordainer_n presumption_n against_o the_o ordainer_n next_o he_o except_v against_o the_o ordainer_n that_o they_o be_v not_o such_o as_o be_v pretend_v and_o here_o we_o must_v again_o trouble_v the_o patience_n of_o the_o reader_n with_o the_o importunity_n of_o their_o presumption_n and_o conjecture_n allege_v against_o public_a record_n which_o though_o it_o little_o serve_v to_o the_o end_n they_o intend_v the_o disprove_v of_o the_o ordination_n of_o our_o 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by_o our_o own_o judgement_n for_o order_n can_v lawful_o be_v receive_v from_o heretic_n c._n 9_o 326._o etc._n etc._n 11._o that_o we_o may_v more_o fair_o proceed_v in_o the_o clear_n of_o this_o difficulty_n we_o must_v premise_v that_o we_o admit_v the_o distinction_n here_o between_o legitimum_fw-la and_o legitimè_fw-la between_o lawful_a or_o valid_a order_n and_o order_n lawful_o give_v or_o receive_v the_o first_o imply_v the_o power_n of_o give_v which_o romanist_n acknowledge_v to_o remain_v in_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n the_o other_o speak_v the_o due_a and_o lawful_a use_n of_o that_o power_n which_o be_v deny_v to_o be_v in_o those_o that_o be_v in_o heresy_n or_o schism_n the_o reason_n be_v because_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v actual_o divide_v from_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n must_v needs_o lose_v the_o lawful_a use_n of_o that_o power_n and_o all_o other_o ecclesiastical_a ministration_n but_o not_o the_o power_n itself_o which_o follow_v a_o 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the_o matter_n ordination_n what_o sort_n of_o heresy_n take_v away_o lawful_a use_n of_o ordination_n or_o of_o the_o declaration_n of_o the_o church_n and_o this_o according_a to_o the_o apostle_n speech_n to_o tit._n c._n 3.10_o a_o man_n that_o be_v a_o heretic_n be_v so_o first_o before_o he_o be_v reject_v or_o declare_v so_o heresy_n also_o much_o differ_v in_o regard_n of_o the_o matter_n by_o which_o some_o may_v be_v so_o immediate_o fundamental_a as_o the_o heresy_n of_o the_o arrian_n and_o some_o other_o that_o it_o do_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la before_o any_o sentence_n or_o declaration_n of_o the_o church_n cut_v off_o or_o divide_v the_o person_n so_o heretical_a from_o the_o union_n of_o the_o true_a catholic_a church_n because_o it_o divide_v he_o from_o the_o foundation_n &_o from_o be_v actual_a member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n upon_o the_o notoriety_n of_o such_o heresy_n so_o contrary_a to_o the_o foundation_n and_o also_o long_o since_o declare_v against_o by_o the_o ancient_a church_n in_o the_o four_o first_o general_n counsel_n and_o therefore_o the_o lawful_a exercise_n of_o that_o power_n he_o have_v to_o administer_v sacrament_n or_o order_n in_o the_o church_n cease_v upon_o such_o discovery_n or_o as_o i_o may_v say_v self-condemnation_n we_o need_v not_o stand_v here_o to_o dispute_v when_o or_o how_o soon_o it_o cease_v upon_o such_o heresy_n for_o we_o do_v not_o charge_v such_o heresy_n upon_o those_o of_o rome_n i.e._n heresy_n immediate_o fundamental_a or_o those_o main_a heresy_n declare_v against_o by_o the_o first_o general_n counsel_n but_o then_o we_o must_v say_v that_o many_o of_o their_o new_a article_n of_o belief_n and_o practice_n be_v in_o themselves_o heretical_a and_o as_o much_o or_o more_o than_o be_v many_o tenet_n of_o former_a heretic_n declare_v against_o by_o the_o ancient_a church_n whether_o we_o consider_v the_o matter_n and_o concernment_n of_o those_o romish_a article_n or_o the_o obstinacy_n and_o tyranny_n with_o which_o they_o assert_v and_o impose_v so_o that_o if_o there_o can_v be_v a_o full_a general_n council_n of_o the_o whole_a catholic_a church_n they_o will_v undoubted_o be_v declare_v many_o of_o they_o heretical_a 13._o from_o whence_o it_o follow_v that_o heresy_n thus_o lie_v upon_o they_o may_v give_v we_o just_a cause_n to_o renounce_v their_o error_n and_o quit_v their_o communion_n so_o far_o as_o it_o be_v necessitate_v by_o renounce_v their_o error_n though_o not_o just_a cause_n to_o condemn_v or_o renounce_v the_o order_n give_v by_o they_o or_o receive_v from_o they_o this_o may_v give_v answer_n to_o all_o the_o place_n allege_v by_o doctor_n champny_n in_o his_o nine_o cap._n pag._n 335_o 336._o out_o of_o the_o father_n against_o order_n give_v by_o heretic_n for_o they_o concern_v either_o heretic_n in_o fundamental_o or_o such_o as_o be_v declare_v so_o and_o actual_o separate_v from_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o church_n 14._o it_o be_v to_o be_v note_v far_o that_o when_o our_o first_o reform_v bishop_n be_v ordain_v by_o they_o the_o grand_a heresy_n and_o mother_n of_o their_o other_o error_n as_o to_o the_o obstinate_a a_o heretical_a defend_n of_o they_o i_o mean_v the_o papal_a power_n and_o authority_n be_v abjure_v and_o therefore_o their_o ordainer_n however_o yet_o in_o romish_a error_n can_v not_o be_v proper_o heretical_a or_o peremptory_o engage_v to_o defend_v the_o same_o as_o afterward_o they_o be_v especial_o since_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v make_v they_o error_n establish_v and_o swear_v to_o but_o after_o that_o we_o go_v not_o to_o they_o for_o order_n yet_o do_v acknowledge_v they_o have_v ordination_n still_o substantial_o valid_a and_o therefore_o we_o do_v not_o re-ordain_a priest_n that_o return_v from_o they_o to_o we_o because_o the_o substance_n or_o evangelical_n institution_n be_v by_o those_o word_n receive_v the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o sin_n you_o remit_v etc._n etc._n retain_v still_o 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that_o suppose_v they_o heretic_n in_o such_o a_o condition_n as_o make_v they_o forfeit_v their_o union_n which_o the_o catholic_a church_n and_o consequent_o the_o due_a and_o lawful_a use_n of_o the_o power_n of_o ordain_v yet_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o we_o can_v have_v it_o but_o on_o the_o contrary_a that_o we_o recover_v it_o by_o leave_v they_o in_o that_o which_o hinder_v the_o due_a and_o lawful_a use_n of_o it_o in_o they_o and_o so_o the_o romanist_n answer_n for_o the_o bishop_n which_o they_o own_o and_o yet_o be_v ordain_v by_o cranmer_n in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o schism_n as_o they_o call_v it_o say_v they_o recover_v the_o lawful_a use_n by_o return_v from_o schism_n and_o heresy_n in_o queen_n mary_n time_n when_o they_o be_v reconcile_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n so_o if_o upon_o our_o charge_v they_o with_o heresy_n we_o must_v suppose_v they_o can_v not_o lawful_o ordain_v nor_o we_o lawful_o receive_v order_n from_o they_o then_o must_v it_o 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