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archbishopric_n but_o council_n give_v none_o and_o therefore_o sue_v in_o forma_fw-la pauperis_fw-la be_v not_o like_a to_o have_v their_o cause_n very_o well_o maintain_v for_o put_v the_o case_n i_o shall_v grant_v of_o mere_a favour_n that_o there_o must_v be_v always_o some_o church_n of_o one_o denomination_n and_o communion_n free_a from_o all_o error_n in_o doctrine_n and_o that_o protestant_n have_v not_o always_o such_o a_o church_n it_o will_v follow_v indeed_o from_o thence_o that_o i_o must_v not_o be_v a_o protestant_n but_o that_o i_o must_v be_v a_o papist_n certain_o it_o will_v follow_v by_o no_o better_a consequence_n than_o this_o if_o you_o will_v leave_v england_n you_o must_v of_o necessity_n go_v to_o rome_n and_o yet_o with_o this_o wretched_a fallacy_n have_v i_o be_v sometime_o abuse_v myself_o and_o know_v many_o other_o poor_a soul_n seduce_v not_o only_o from_o their_o own_o church_n and_o religion_n but_o unto_o you_o i_o beseech_v god_n to_o open_v the_o eye_n of_o all_o that_o love_v the_o truth_n that_o they_o may_v not_o always_o be_v hold_v captive_a under_o such_o miserable_a delusion_n 28._o let_v we_o come_v now_o to_o the_o argument_n which_o you_o build_v upon_o d._n potter_n own_o word_n out_o of_o which_o you_o promise_v unanswerable_a reason_n to_o convince_v protestant_n of_o schism_n 29._o but_o these_o reason_n will_v easy_o be_v answer_v if_o the_o reader_n will_v take_v along_o with_o he_o these_o three_o short_a memorandum_n 30._o first_o that_o not_o every_o separation_n but_o only_o a_o causeless_a separation_n from_o the_o external_a communion_n of_o any_o church_n be_v the_o sin_n of_o schism_n 31._o second_o that_o impose_v upon_o man_n under_o pain_n of_o excommunication_n a_o necessity_n of_o profess_v know_v error_n and_o practise_v know_v corruption_n be_v a_o sufficient_a and_o necessary_a cause_n of_o separation_n and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o cause_n the_o protestant_n allege_v to_o justify_v their_o separation_n from_o which_o church_n of_o rome_n 32._o three_o that_o to_o leave_v the_o church_n and_o to_o leave_v the_o external_a communion_n of_o a_o church_n be_v not_o the_o same_o thing_n that_o be_v do_v by_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o it_o by_o cease_v to_o have_v those_o requisite_n which_o constitute_v a_o man_n a_o member_n of_o it_o as_o faith_n and_o obedience_n this_o by_o refuse_v to_o communicate_v with_o any_o church_n in_o her_o liturgy_n and_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n this_o armour_n if_o it_o be_v right_o place_v will_v repel_v all_o those_o battery_n which_o you_o threaten_v we_o with_o all_o 33._o ad_fw-la §_o 13.14_o 15._o the_o first_o be_v a_o sentence_n of_o s._n austin_n against_o donatus_n apply_v to_o luther_n thus_o if_o the_o church_n perish_v what_o church_n bring_v forth_o donatus_n you_o say_v luther_n if_o she_o can_v not_o perish_v what_o madness_n move_v the_o sect_n of_o donatus_n to_o separate_v upon_o pretence_n to_o avoid_v the_o communion_n of_o bad_a man_n whereunto_o one_o fair_a answer_n to_o let_v pass_v many_o other_o be_v obvious_a out_o of_o the_o second_o observation_n that_o this_o sentence_n though_o it_o be_v gospel_n as_o it_o be_v not_o be_v impertinent_o apply_v to_o luther_n and_o lutheran_n who_o pretence_n of_o separation_n be_v it_o true_a or_o be_v it_o false_a be_v not_o as_o that_o of_o the_o donatist_n only_o to_o avoid_v the_o communion_n of_o bad_a man_n but_o to_o free_v themselves_o from_o a_o necessity_n which_o but_o by_o separate_n be_v unavoidable_a of_o join_v with_o bad_a man_n in_o their_o impiety_n 34._o ad_fw-la §_o 16._o your_o second_o onset_n drive_v only_o at_o those_o protestant_n who_o hold_v the_o true_a church_n be_v invisible_a for_o many_o age_n which_o doctrine_n if_o by_o the_o true_a church_n be_v understand_v the_o pure_a church_n as_o you_o do_v understand_v it_o be_v a_o certain_a truth_n &_o it_o
or_o any_o way_n noxious_a but_o that_o no_o church_n may_v hope_v to_o be_v secure_a from_o all_o error_n simple_o for_o this_o be_v indeed_o true_o to_o triumph_v over_o all_o but_o then_o we_o say_v not_o that_o the_o communion_n of_o any_o church_n be_v to_o be_v forsake_v for_o error_n unfundamental_a unless_o it_o exact_v with_o all_o either_o a_o dissimulation_n of_o they_o be_v noxious_a or_o a_o profession_n of_o they_o against_o the_o dictate_v of_o conscience_n if_o they_o be_v mere_a error_n this_o if_o the_o church_n do_v as_o certain_o you_o do_v than_o her_o communion_n be_v to_o be_v forsake_v rather_o than_o the_o sin_n of_o hypocrisy_n to_o be_v commit_v whereas_o to_o forsake_v the_o church_n of_o protestant_n for_o such_o error_n there_o be_v no_o necessity_n because_o they_o err_v to_o themselves_o and_o do_v not_o under_o pain_n of_o excommunication_n exact_v the_o profession_n of_o their_o error_n 68_o obj._n but_o the_o church_n may_v not_o be_v leave_v by_o reason_n of_o sin_n therefore_o neither_o by_o reason_n of_o error_n not_o fundamental_a in_o as_o much_o as_o both_o sin_n and_o error_n be_v impossible_a to_o be_v avoid_v till_o she_o be_v in_o heaven_n answ_n the_o reason_n of_o the_o consequence_n do_v not_o appear_v to_o i_o but_o i_o answer_v to_o the_o antecedent_n neither_o for_o sin_n or_o error_n ought_v a_o church_n to_o be_v forsake_v if_o she_o do_v not_o impose_v and_o join_v they_o but_o if_o she_o do_v as_o the_o roman_a do_v than_o we_o must_v forsake_v man_n rather_o than_o god_n leave_v the_o church_n communion_n rather_o than_o commit_v sin_n or_o profess_v know_v error_n to_o be_v divine_a truth_n for_o the_o prophet_n ezekiel_n have_v assure_v we_o that_o to_o say_v the_o lord_n have_v say_v so_o when_o the_o lord_n have_v not_o say_v so_o be_v a_o great_a sin_n and_o a_o high_a presumption_n be_v the_o matter_n never_o so_o small_a 69._o ad_fw-la §_o 23._o obj._n but_o neither_o the_o quality_n nor_o the_o number_n of_o your_o church_n error_n can_v warrant_v our_o forsake_v of_o it_o not_o the_o quality_n because_o we_o suppose_v they_o not_o fundamental_a not_o the_o number_n because_o the_o foundation_n be_v strong_a enough_o to_o support_v they_o answ_n here_o again_o you_o vain_o suppose_v that_o we_o conceive_v your_o error_n in_o themselves_o not_o damnable_a though_o we_o hope_v they_o be_v not_o absolute_o unpardonable_a but_o to_o say_v they_o be_v pardonable_a be_v indeed_o to_o suppose_v they_o damnable_a second_o though_o the_o error_n of_o your_o church_n do_v not_o warrant_v our_o departure_n yet_o your_o tyrannous_a imposition_n of_o they_o will_v be_v our_o sufficient_a justification_n for_o this_o lay_v necessity_n on_o we_o either_o to_o forsake_v your_o company_n or_o to_o profess_v what_o we_o know_v to_o be_v false_a 70._o obj._n our_o bless_a saviour_n have_v declare_v his_o will_n that_o we_o forgive_v a_o private_a offender_n seventy_o seven_o time_n that_o be_v without_o limitation_n of_o quantity_n of_o time_n or_o quality_n of_o trespass_n and_o then_o how_o dare_v we_o allege_v his_o command_n that_o we_o must_v not_o pardon_v his_o church_n for_o error_n acknowledge_v to_o be_v not_o fundamental_a answ_n he_o that_o command_v we_o to_o pardon_v our_o brother_n sin_v against_o we_o so_o often_o will_v not_o allow_v we_o for_o his_o sake_n to_o sin_n with_o he_o so_o much_o as_o once_o he_o will_v have_v we_o do_v any_o thing_n but_o sin_n rather_o than_o offend_v any_o man_n but_o his_o will_n be_v also_o that_o we_o offend_v all_o the_o world_n rather_o than_o sin_n in_o the_o least_o matter_n and_o therefore_o though_o his_o will_n be_v and_o it_o be_v in_o our_o power_n which_o yet_o be_v false_a to_o pardon_v the_o error_n of_o a_o err_v church_n yet_o certain_o it_o be_v not_o his_o will_n that_o we_o shall_v err_v with_o the_o church_n or_o if_o we_o do_v not_o that_o we_o shall_v against_o conscience_n profess_v the_o error_n of_o it_o 71._o ad_fw-la §_o 24._o obj._n but_o schismatic_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n or_o any_o other_o church_n with_o this_o very_a answer_n that_o they_o forsake_v not_o the_o church_n but_o the_o error_n of_o it_o may_v cast_v off_o from_o themselves_o the_o imputation_n of_o schism_n answ_n true_o they_o may_v make_v the_o same_o answer_n and_o the_o same_o defence_n as_o we_o do_v as_o a_o murderer_n can_v cry_v not_o guilty_a as_o well_o as_o a_o innocent_a person_n but_o not_o so_o true_o nor_o so_o just_o the_o question_n be_v not_o what_o may_v be_v pretend_v but_o what_o can_v be_v prove_v by_o schismatic_n they_o may_v object_v error_n to_o other_o church_n as_o well_o as_o we_o do_v to_o you_o but_o that_o they_o prove_v their_o accusation_n so_o strong_o as_o we_o can_v that_o appear_v not_o to_o the_o priest_n and_o elder_n of_o the_o jew_n impose_v that_o sacred_a silence_n mention_v in_o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostle_n s._n peter_n and_o s._n john_n answer_v 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