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A44010	The questions concerning liberty, necessity, and chance clearly stated and debated between Dr. Bramhall, Bishop of Derry, and Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury.	Hobbes, Thomas, 1588-1679.; Bramhall, John, 1594-1663.	1656 (1656)	Wing H2257; ESTC R16152	266,363	392

opinions when they are taught as they are often in Divinity Books and from the Pulpit I could hardly guesse but that I remember that there have been Books written to intitle the Bishops to a Divine right underived from the civil Soveraign But because he maketh it so ●aynous a matter that the supreme civil Magistrate should be Christs Lieutenant upon earth let us suppose that a Bishop or a Synode of Bishops should be set up which I hope never shall for our civil Soveraign then that which he objecteth here I could object in the same words against himself For I could say in his o●n words This is life eternal to know the onely true God and Jesus Christ Joh. 17. 3. Pure Religion and undefiled before God is this to visit the Fatherless c. James 1. 27. Fear God and keep his Commandments Eccles. 12. 13. But the Bishop hath found a more compendious way to Heaven namely that true Religion consisteth in obedience to Christs Lieutenants that is now by supposition to the Bishops That is to say that every Christian of what nation soever coming into the Country which the Bishop● governe should be of their Religion He would make the civil Magistrate to be Christs Lieutenant upon earth for matters of Religion and supreme Judge in all controversies and say they ought to be obeyed by al how strange soever and uncouth it seem to him now the Soveraignity being in others And I may say to him what if the Magistrate himself I mean by supposition the Bishops should be wicked 〈…〉 What if they should command as much contrary to the ●…w of 〈◊〉 o● nature as every any Christian King did which is very possible must we obey them rather then God Is the civill Magistrate become now the onely ground and p●●lar of truth No. Synedri jussum est voce Episcoporum Ipsum quod colit ut colamus omnes Aeternum colemus Principem dierum Factorem Dominumque Epilcoporum And thus the Bishop may see there is 〈…〉 difference between his Ode and my ●arode to it and that both of them are of equal force 〈◊〉 conclud nothin● The Bishop knows that the Kings of England since the time of Henry the 8. have been 〈…〉 by 〈…〉 Parliament supream Governors o● the Church of England in 〈…〉 both civil and Ecclesiastical that is to say 〈…〉 matters both Ecclesiastical and civil an● consequently o● this Church Supreme head on Earth though perhaps he will not allow that 〈…〉 me of H●●d I should wonder therefore whom the Bishop would have to be Christs Lieutenant here in England for matters of Religion if not the supreme Governor ●nd Head of the Church of England 〈…〉 Man or Women whosoever he be that hath the Soveraign Power but that I know he challenges it to the Bishops and thinks tha● King Henry the 8. took the Ecclesiastical Power away from the Pope to settle it not in himself but them But he ought to have known that what 〈…〉 or Power o● Ordai●ing 〈…〉 the Pop●s had here in the time of the Kings Predecessours til Henry the 8. they derived it all from the Kings Power though they did not acknowledge it and the Kings connived at it either not knowing their own right or not daring to challenge it til such ti●e as the behaviour of the Romane Clergie had undeceived the people which otherwise would have sided with them Nor was it unlawful for the King to take from them the Authority he had given them as being Pope enough in his own Kingdome without depending on a forraign one nor is it to be called Schisme unlesse it be Schisme also in the head of a Family to discharge as often 〈◊〉 he shall see cause the School-Masters he enter ●ineth to teach his Children If the Bishop and Dr. Hammond when they did write in defence of the Church of England against imputation of Schisme quitting their own pretences of jurisdiction and Jus divinum had gone upon these principles of mine they had not been so shrewdly handled as they have been by an English Papist that wrote against them And now I have done answering to his Arguments I shall here ●n the end of all taee that Liberty of censuring his while Book which he hath taken in the beginning of censuring mine I have saith he Numb 1. perused T. H. his answers considered his reasons and conclude he hath missed and mi●●aid the question that his answers are evasions that his Arguments are ●aralogismes and that the opinion of absolute and universal necessity is but a 〈…〉 some groundless and ill chosen Principles And now it is my turn to censure And first ●o● the strength of his discourse and knowledge of the point in question I think it much inferiour to that which might have been written by any man living that had no other learning besides the ability to wri●e his mind but as well perhaps as the same man would have done it if to the ability of writing his mind he had added the study of School-Divinity Secondly for the manners of it for to a publick writing there belongeth good manners it consisteth in railing and exclaiming and scurrilous jesting with now and then an unclean and mean instance And lastly for his elocution the vertue whereof lieth not in the flux of words but in perspicuity it is the same Language with that of the Kingdome of Darkness One shall find in it especially where ●e should speak most closely to the question such words as these Divided sense Compounded sense Hypothetical necessity Liberty of Exercise Liberty of specification Liberty of contradiction Liberty of contrariety Knowledge of approbation Practical knowledge General influence Special influence Instinct Qualities infused Efficatious election Moral efficacy Moral motion Metaphorical motion Practice practicum Motus primo primi Actus eliciti Actus imperati Permissive will Consequent will Negative obduration Deficient cause Simple act Nunc stans other like words of non-sense divided besides many propositions such as th●se The Will is the Mistris of humane Actions The understanding i● her counseller The Will chuseth The Will willeth The Will suspends its own Act The Understanding understandeth I wonder how he mist saying The Understanding suspendeth its own Act The Will applies the understanding to deliberate The Will requires of the Understanding a riview The Wil determines it self A change may be Willed without changing of the Will Man concurrs with God in causing his own Will The Will causeth willing Motives determine the Will not naturally but morally The same Action may be both future and not future God is not Just but Justice not eternal but eternity Eternity is Nunc stans Eternity is an infinite point which comprehendeth al time not formally but eminently Al eternity is coexistent with to day and the same coexistent with to morrow and many other like speeches of non-sense compounded Which the truth can never stand in need of Perhaps the Bishop will say these Terms and Phrases

as being freer from Passions c. He is here I think mistaken for in our verbal Conference there was not one passionate word nor any objecting of Blasphemy or Atheisme nor any other uncivil word of which in his writing there are abundance c Those Lights of the Schools who were never sleighted but where they were not understood I confess I am not apt to admire every thing I understand not nor yet to sleight it And though the Biishop sleight not the School-men so much as I do yet I dare say he understands their writings as little as I do For they are in most places unintelligible TO THE READER CHristian Reader this ensuing Treatise was a neither penned nor intended for the Press but privately undertaken that by the ventilation of the Question truth might be cleared from mistakes The same was Mr. Hobbs his desire at that time as appeareth by four passages in his Book wherein he requesteth and beseecheth that it may be kept private But either through forgetfulness or change of judgment he hath now caused or permitted it to be printed in England without either adjoyning my first Discourse to which he wrote that answer or so much as mentioning this Reply which he hath had in his hands now these eight years So wide is the date of his letter in the year 1652. from the truth and his manner of dealing with me in this particular from ingenuity if the edition were with his own consent Howsoever here is all that passed between us upon this subject without any addition or the least variation from the original Concerning the nameless Aurhor of the preface who takes upon him to hang out an lvy bush before this rare piece of sublimated Stoicisme to invite passengers to purchase it as I know not who he is so I do not much heed it nor regard either his ignoranr censures or hyperbolical expressions The Church of England is as much above his detraction as he is beneath this Question Let him lick up the spittle of Dionysius by himself as his servile flatterers did and protest that it is more sweet than Nectar we envie him not much good may it do him His very frontispiece is a sufficient confutation of his whole preface wherein he tells the world as falsly and ignorantly as confidently that all controversie concerning Predestination Election Free-will Grace Merits Reprobation c. is fully decided and cleared Thus he accustometh his pen to run over beyond all limits of truth and discretion to let us see that his knowledge in Theological Controversies is none at all and into what miserable times we are fallen when blind men will be the onely judges of colours Quid tanto dignum feret hic promissor hiatu There is yet one thing more whereof I desire to advertise the Reader b Whereas Mr. Hobbs mentions my objections to his Book De Cive It is true that ten years since I gave him about 60. Exceptions the one half of them Political the other half Theological to that Book and every Exception justified by a number of Reasons to which he never yet vouchsafed any answer Nor do I now desire it for since that he hath published his Leviathan Monstrum honnendum informe ingens cui lumen ademptum which affords much more matter of Exception and I am informed that there are already two the one of our own Church the other a stranger who have shaken in pieces the whole Fabrick of his City that was but builded in the air and resolved that huge mass of his seeming Leviathan into a new nothing and that their labours will speedily be published But if this information should not prove true I will not grudge upon his desire God willing to demonstrate that his principles are pernicious both to Piety and policy and destructive to all relations of mankind between prince and Subject Father and Child Master and Servant Husband and Wife and that they who maintain them obstinately are fitter to live in hollow-trees among wild beasts than in any Christian or Political Society so God bless us Animadversions upon the Bishops Epistle to the Reader a NEither penned nor intended for the Press but privately undertaken that by the ventilation of the Question Truth might be cleared The same was Mr. Hobbs his desire at that time as appeareth by four passages in his Book c. It is true that it was not my intention to publish any thing in this Question And the Bishop might have perceived by not leaving out those four passages that it was without my knowledge the Book was printed but it pleased him better to take this little advantage to accuse me of want of ingenuity He might have perceived also by the date of my Letter 1652. which was written 1646. which error could be no advantage to me that I knew nothing of the printing of it I confess that before I receaved the Bishops Reply a French Gentleman of my acquaintance in Paris knowing that I had written something of this subject but not understanding the language desired me to give him leave to get it interpreted to him by an english young Man that resorted to him which I yeilded to But this young Man taking his opportunitie and being a nimble writer took a Copy of it for himself and printed it here all but the Postcsript without my knowledge and as he kn●w against my will for which he since hath askt me pardon But that the Bishop intended it not for the Press is not very probable because he saith he writ it to the end that by the ventilation of the Question Truth might be cleared from mistakes which end he had not obtained by keeping it private b Whereas Mr. Hobbs mentions my objections to his Book De Cive it is true that ten years since I gave him about 60. Exceptions c. I did indeed intend to have answered those Exceptions as finding them neither Political nor Theological nor that he alleadged any Reasons by which they were to be justified But shortly after intending to write in English and publish my thoughts concerning Civil Doctrine in that Book which I intitled Leviathan I thought his objections would by the clearness of my method fall off without an answer Now this Leviathan he calleth Monstrum horrendum informe Ingens cui lumen ademptum Words not farre fetcht nor more applicable to my Leviathan than to any other writing that should offend him For allowing him the word Monstrum because it seems he takes it for a monstrous great Fish he can neither say it is Informe for even they that approve not the Doctrine allow the Method Nor that it is Ingens for it is a Book of no great Bulk Nor cui lumen ademptum for he will find very few Readers that will not think it clearer than his Scholastique Jargon And whereas he saith there are two of our own Church as he hears say that are answering it And that he himself if I desire it will demonstrate