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A80553 A vindication of the magistrates and ministers of the city of Gloucester, from the calumnies of Mr. Robert Bacon, in his printed relation of his usage there, which he intitles, The spirit of prelacy yet working, or truth from under a cloud. Together with ten questions discussed, which tend to the discovery of close antinomianisme. / By John Corbet minister, and chaplain to Major generall Massie. Published by authority. Corbet, John, 1620-1680.; Nicanor, Lysimachus, 1603-1641, 1646 (1646) Wing C6267B; Thomason E337_15; ESTC R200828 24,213 37

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Saints humiliation to arise from the sight of the glory of God where as now he saith godly sorrow is required in case of sin How can he reconcile this contradiction We hold that the soul is graciously humbled in the sight of sin together with the reflection of the glory of God Which the Text in Isa 6. would have cleared unto him had he took in the latter part viz. I am undone I am a man of unclean lips and dwell amongst a people of unclean lips Now let it be well considered whether this be to handle Gods Word sincerely Qu. 7. Whether Confession of sin i. of ur originall corruption and sinfull actions reckoning them before the Lord be required in a Christian Aff. according to M. B. HEre we agree in the tearms at least but in the stating of the Question I shall briefly observe some impertinencies and so passe on First that Hypocrites are wont to confesse their sinfull actions but not their sinfulnesse the Saints confesse not onely their sinfull Actions but their sinfulnesse Now by sinfulnesse he doth understand their unclean natures But know we not that Hypocrites as well as the Saints confesse their sinfull natures as their sinfull actions and in this they differ that the one confesse both these in hypocrisie the other confesse both in sinceritie 2. He addeth The Confession of the Saints is grounded upon the knowledge of Gods love in Christ but the confession of the Hypocrites upon some other information Ans Is not the Confession of the Saints grounded also upon the knowledge of sin and of the glory and holinesse of the Lord as upon the knowledge of Gods love in Christ Is there any difference between them and Hypocrites in this point but that they confesse upon all the former considerations with sinceritie and resolution of amendment of wayes but Hypocrites upon the same considerations do not confesse from the bottome of their hearts and with a full purpose of Amendment Qu. 8. Whether you hold communion with the Church of England i. in our Parochiall Assemblies to be lawfull Neg. according to Mr. B. IN this we differ First against Mr. Bacon I reply that this Question is not a matter properly concerning discipline except matters of discipline can deny Communion in the worship and ordinances of Christ Also the defects of Reformation is no ground of Separation 2 A supposition of the people 's not having repented them of their false worship is no ground of separation 3 That he shall communicate with any people in any Assembly so far as reformed according to the Word of God is no determinate answer 4 His Collection from this Question That every Parish should bear the name of the Church of England is very absurd Because we speak of a Church in Parochiall Assemblies as the whole in it's parts must every part bear the name of that whole 5 That the Church of England doth cease because discipline is for a while suspended is a conclusion not worth the refuting 6 To understand by the Church of England all of all Conditions that have indeed faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ and so are of the Church in the eye of God and are of a sutable conversation towards men in practice is to give a character of a great part of the invisible Church Christs mysticall body to a particular constituted Church What more confused notions then these Qu. 9. Whether Repentance be necessarie to the Remission of sins Neg. according to Mr. B. HErein we dissent We understand Evangelicall Repentance and that so necessarie as that God will never forgive our sins untill we repent Mr. Bacon is very subtle in remarking the particle To. I cannot understand but a thing that is necessarie in any determinate case must be necessarie to that thing But he is afraid that this same To would bring in Repentance as something actually existent for so I conceive him before the Remission of sins But this follows no more then that we must bring faith to God before the Act of Justification But if he will say that we are justified by faith and yet that faith is not necessarie to Justification I must confesse his subtilties are beyond my comprehension 1 For that charge of bordering nigh unto if not agreeing with that of Bellarmine who affirms that Repentance is a way to faith and justification in the remission of sins If he understand it according to Bellarmine in the way of a previous disposition I utterly disclaim it Neither can it be collected from the Doctrine of Repentance as necessarie to the Remission of sins And this answers the next Objection that we make Repentance to go before the Remission of sins I give this Instance to have a reasonable soul is necessarie to the being of a man doth it therefore follow that a reasonable soul is before that being We say that Repentance and Remission are coexistent For at the same instant when God doth forgive sin he confers the grace of Repentance that the soul might be capable of receiving forgivenesse Act. 3.19 Repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out Whereas Mr. Bacon will have Remission of sins to go before Repentance in order of nature He cannot reduce it to either of those two wayes mentioned by Aristotle After one way that is said to be first in nature from which the consequence doth not return to some other thing from whence the consequence is drawn to that former To instance one is in nature before two For suppose two and one is presupposed but suppose one two doth follow Therfore that is said to be first in nature à quo non retro sequitur consequendi ratio Now in this manner Remission of sins cannot be before Repentance in order of nature for then upon the supposal of Remission Repentance doth not follow The second way is in respect of causality But remission is not the cause of repentance Besides it should be said your sins are forgiven you that you might repent and not repent that your sins might be forgiven Wherefore Remission of sins doth require Repentance as a means absolutely necessarie and that not pre-existent but coexistent Qu. 10. Whether there be a reall change in the person that is saved Aff. according to Mr. B. VVE agree in the tearms of the Question but we have no satisfaction therein Truth is we were too short in the manner of propounding we understood a reall change not in opposition to intentionall onely but to a relative change also and that none onely a change of condition but of nature Such a change Mr. Bacon did never publickly clear among us And in the close of this Dispute he did peremptorily refuse to declare whether there were in a beleever the habits of grace and inherent holinesse FINIS