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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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character_n he_o will_v easy_o be_v a_o commentator_n to_o himself_o upon_o mr_n tomb_n his_o warp_a judgement_n to_o mr_n t._n his_o three_o particular_a wherein_o he_o aessert_v that_o there_o be_v in_o the_o church_n baptism_n of_o person_n grow_v in_o all_o age_n and_o quote_v ludovicus_n vives_z to_o prove_v it_o we_o reply_v first_o to_o his_o assertion_n first_o that_o be_v very_o general_a for_o a_o answer_n to_o a_o argument_n there_o be_v person_n how_o many_o in_o all_o age_n what_o mean_v that_o in_o every_o hundred_o year_n or_o ordinary_a age_n of_o man_n suppose_v sixty_o year_n or_o less_o what_o be_v all_o this_o to_o clear_v a_o continue_a succession_n of_o the_o church_n in_o point_n of_o baptise_v person_n of_o ripe_a year_n second_o let_v we_o deal_v plain_o one_o with_o another_o in_o thing_n of_o this_o nature_n can_n m._n t._n or_o any_o else_o produce_v proof_n that_o in_o england_n scotland_n ireland_n etc._n etc._n there_o have_v be_v baptize_v in_o either_o 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we_o must_v not_o give_v credit_n to_o he_o in_o divine_a thing_n when_o his_o phrase_n depart_v from_o purity_n and_o his_o assertion_n from_o verity_n he_o say_v nem_v olin_n sacro_fw-la admovebatur_fw-la baptisterio_fw-la that_o be_v no_o man_n of_o old_a be_v bring_v unto_o the_o holy_a baptistery_n font_n or_o vessel_n to_o wash_v in_o he_o put_v holiness_n in_o or_o upon_o the_o vessel_n in_o which_o these_o person_n of_o ripe_a year_n be_v baptize_v for_o it_o shall_v seem_v by_o he_o they_o be_v not_o baptize_v in_o a_o river_n which_o phrase_n of_o lud._n vives_z mr_n tomb_n cover_v with_o a_o double_a garment_n first_o translate_n baptisterio_n by_o the_o word_n place_n that_o being_n wide_a enough_o in_o signification_n to_o include_v river_n second_o translate_n sacro_fw-la baptisterio_n the_o holy_a place_n by_o the_o place_n of_o holy_a baptism_n lord_v vives_z go_v on_o nisi_fw-la adulta_fw-la jam_fw-la aetate_fw-la that_o be_v unless_o he_o be_v of_o ripe_a age_n 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of_o baptism_n and_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n now_o this_o be_v not_o likely_a to_o be_v understand_v of_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n in_o heal_a sick_a person_n or_o bestow_v the_o holy_a ghost_n for_o these_o be_v extraordinary_a or_o miraculous_a and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v put_v in_o the_o number_n of_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o oracle_n of_o god_n the_o foundation_n milk_n for_o babe_n nor_o of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n for_o ordination_n to_o special_a function_n in_o the_o church_n for_o that_o though_o ordinary_a yet_o not_o likely_a to_o be_v put_v among_o the_o principle_n the_o foundation_n milk_n for_o babe_n therefore_o it_o remain_v that_o it_o be_v the_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n on_o child_n former_o baptize_v in_o infancy_n which_o though_o corrupt_o make_v a_o sacrament_n by_o papist_n and_o superstitious_o abuse_v yet_o be_v free_v from_o the_o
t._n his_o allegation_n of_o the_o lord_n brookes_n and_o daniel_n rogers_n that_o mr_n t._n do_v not_o dream_v we_o say_v that_o it_o be_v possible_a two_o more_o may_v dream_v as_o well_o as_o mr._n t._n we_o say_v two_o more_o for_o to_o his_o &c._n &c._n and_o other_o elsewhere_o we_o can_v distinct_o answer_v nothing_o where_o nothing_o be_v allege_v but_o for_o the_o two_o particular_o name_v give_v their_o book_n all_o due_a respect_n edit_n robert_n lord_n brookes_n of_o episcopacy_n sect._n 2._o chap._n 7_o p._n 96._o of_o 2._o edit_n 1._o the_o bare_a recital_n of_o the_o lord_n brook_n word_n be_v a_o full_a answer_n which_o be_v these_o i_o will_v not_o i_o can_v take_v on_o i_o to_o defend_v that_o man_n usual_o call_v anabaptism_n yet_o i_o conceive_v that_o sect_n be_v twofold_a some_o of_o they_o hold_v freewill_n community_n of_o all_o thing_n deny_v magistracy_n and_o refuse_v to_o baptise_v their_o child_n these_o true_o be_v such_o heretic_n or_o atheist_n that_o i_o question_n whether_o any_o divine_a shall_v honour_v they_o so_o much_o as_o to_o dispute_v with_o they_o much_o rather_o sure_a shall_v alexander_n sword_n determine_v here_o as_o of_o old_a at_o the_o gordian_a knot_n where_o it_o acquire_v this_o motto_n q●ae_fw-la soivere_fw-la non_fw-la possum_fw-la dissecabo_fw-la what_o i_o can_v untie_v i_o will_v cut_v asunder_o there_o be_v another_o fort_n of_o they_o who_o only_o deny_v baptism_n to_o their_o child_n till_o they_o come_v to_o year_n of_o discretion_n and_o then_o they_o baptize_v they_o but_o in_o other_o thing_n they_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n true_o these_o man_n be_v much_o to_o be_v pity_v and_o i_o can_v hearty_o wish_v that_o before_o they_o be_v stigmatise_v with_o that_o opprobrious_a brand_n of_o schismatic_a the_o truth_n may_v be_v clear_v to_o they_o for_o i_o conceive_v to_o those_o that_o hold_v we_o may_v go_v no_o far_o than_o scripture_n for_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n it_o may_v 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right_a but_o the_o practice_n of_o infant-baptisme_n have_v occasion_v either_o the_o birth_n or_o foster_a of_o many_o error_n ergo._n it_o be_v prove_v by_o instance_n 1._o that_o baptism_n confer_v grace_n by_o the_o work_n do_v 2._o that_o baptism_n be_v regeneration_n 3._o that_o infant_n die_v be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o parent_n faith_n of_o surety_n of_o the_o church_n receive_v into_o her_o lap_n which_o be_v to_o be_v ascribe_v alone_o to_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n by_o christ_n 4._o that_o some_o regenerate_a person_n may_v utter_o fall_v from_o grace_n the_o eight_o argument_n that_o which_o have_v cause_v many_o abuse_n and_o fault_n in_o discipline_n arg._n 8_o confirm_v §._o 22._o the_o argument_n against_o infant-baptisme_n from_o many_o abuse_v cause_v by_o it_o confirm_v and_o divine_a worship_n and_o conversation_n of_o man_n that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a but_o infant-baptisme_n be_v such_o ergo._n it_o be_v prove_v by_o enumeration_n 1._o private_a baptism_n 2._o baptism_n by_o woman_n 3._o baptism_n of_o infant_n not_o yet_o bring_v into_o light_n 4._o baptism_n of_o infant_n of_o uncertain_a progeny_n who_o we_o call_v child_n of_o the_o earth_n and_o world_n 5._o they_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o lord_n who_o know_v not_o the_o lord_n nor_o have_v ever_o consent_v or_o perhaps_o will_v consent_v to_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o name_n of_o our_o lord_n 6._o it_o have_v bring_v in_o the_o admission_n of_o ignorance_n and_o profane_a man_n into_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o who_o can_v deny_v right_o the_o right_a of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o baptize_v 7_o it_o pervert_v the_o order_n of_o discipline_n that_o first_o a_o man_n be_v baptize_v and_o after_o among_o the_o catechize_v 8_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n be_v turn_v into_o a_o mere_a ceremony_n yea_o into_o a_o profane_a meeting_n to_o feast_v together_o 9_o man_n forget_v baptism_n as_o if_o they_o be_v never_o baptize_v so_o that_o it_o have_v the_o force_n of_o a_o carnal_a rite_n not_o of_o a_o spiritual_a institution_n 10_o it_o take_v away_o or_o at_o least_o diminish_v zeal_n and_o industry_n in_o know_v the_o gospel_n the_o nine_o argument_n that_o be_v deserve_o doubtful_a argum_fw-la 9_o confirm_v §_o 22._o the_o argument_n from_o unnecessary_a dispute_n cause_v by_o it_o against_o infant-baptisme_n confirm_v that_o yield_v occasion_n to_o many_o unnecessary_a dispute_n foster_a only_a contention_n and_o which_o can_v be_v determine_v by_o any_o certain_a rule_n but_o the_o tenet_n or_o rite_n of_o infant-baptisme_n be_v such_o ergo._n it_o be_v prove_v by_o instance_n 1_o of_o baptise_v the_o infant_n of_o excommunicate_v person_n 2_o of_o baptise_v the_o infant_n of_o apostate_n 3_o of_o baptise_v the_o infant_n of_o such_o parent_n as_o be_v not_o member_n in_o a_o gather_a church_n 4_o of_o
in_o the_o church_n before_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v a_o human-invention_n follow_v upon_o infant_n baptism_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o that_o m._n t._n all_o this_o while_n have_v contend_v that_o examination_n and_o confession_n before_o baptism_n and_o consequent_o afore_o the_o communion_n be_v a_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n how_o then_o say_v m._n t._n now_o that_o they_o be_v human-invention_n 2_o if_o subscription_n be_v add_v it_o be_v but_o a_o visible_a or_o legible_a profession_n and_o not_o so_o dangerous_a as_o minister_n subscription_n have_v be_v in_o the_o prelate_n time_n though_o some_o have_v have_v the_o mercy_n out_o of_o the_o university_n to_o subscribe_v with_o their_o own_o condition_n 3_o that_o there_o be_v mention_n in_o isay_n 44.5_o that_o one_o shall_v call_v himself_o by_o the_o name_n of_o jacob_n and_o another_o shall_v subscribe_v with_o his_o hand_n unto_o the_o lord_n and_o surname_n himself_o by_o the_o name_n of_o israel_n so_o that_o to_o subscribe_v to_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n profess_v in_o a_o church_n to_o be_v call_v a_o member_n of_o the_o same_o be_v no_o such_o scripturelesse_a human_a invention_n as_o m._n t._n will_v make_v of_o it_o to_o m._n t._n his_o fourth-particular_a that_o the_o church_n covenant_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la yea_o as_o set_v forth_o in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o church_n of_o new_a england_n call_v church_n covenant_n be_v a_o human-invention_n devise_v to_o supply_v the_o place_n of_o baptism_n we_o answer_v we_o will_v not_o say_v that_o this_o be_v cynical_o but_o we_o will_v say_v it_o be_v bold_o speak_v by_o one_o man_n animad_fw-la animad_fw-la so_o to_o censure_v so_o many_o brave_a man_n for_o learning_n godliness_n conscience_n and_o suffering_n for_o 1_o we_o quaere_fw-la whether_o m._n t._n do_v think_v the_o late_a nationall_n covenant_n to_o be_v a_o mere_a human-invention_n if_o not_o let_v he_o be_v moderate_a in_o his_o opinion_n of_o church_n covenant_n 2_o we_o assert_v that_o whatsoever_o ingenuous_a and_o understand_a reader_n shall_v peruse_v the_o book_n call_v the_o church_n covenant_n will_v find_v it_o strong_a for_o a_o church_n covenant_n then_o m._n t._n his_o treatise_n for_o the_o anabaptist_n way_n of_o baptise_v 3_o we_o put_v m._n t._n in_o mind_n that_o all_o relation_n except_o natural_a be_v found_v upon_o mutual_a covenant_n and_o agreement_n as_o between_o husband_n and_o wife_n master_n and_o servant_n amp_n c._n therefore_o that_o between_o pastor_n and_o flock_n 4_o that_o baptism_n exhibit_v one_o to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o universal_a visible_a church_n now_o on_o earth_n do_v not_o make_v he_o to_o belong_v peculiar_o to_o my_o flock_n discipline_n flock_n see_v before_o in_o the_o former_a chapter_n touch_v fault_n in_o discipline_n that_o be_v bind_v in_o scripture_n duty_n to_o i_o or_o i_o to_o be_v a_o pastor_n and_o bind_v in_o conscience_n of_o pastoral_n duty_n to_o he_o 5_o in_o that_o see_v some_o particular_a express_a intimation_n there_o must_v be_v see_v we_o have_v not_o the_o intellectual_a communication_n of_o angel_n that_o he_o or_o she_o be_v of_o my_o flock_n and_o i_o their_o pastor_n what_o can_v m._n t._n find_v out_o to_o effect_v this_o if_o he_o lie_v aside_o all_o covenantall_n expression_n 6_o if_o the_o church_n covenant_n be_v compose_v by_o man_n as_o those_o of_o marriage_n servantship_n etc._n etc._n be_v yet_o all_o divine_a duty_n may_v follow_v upon_o this_o as_o upon_o they_o by_o divine_a imposition_n chap._n xvii_o to_o the_o 1_o and_o 2_o particular_n in_o the_o minor_a of_o m._n t._n his_o seven_o argument_n of_o error_n occasion_v by_o infant_n baptism_n 20._o exercit._fw-la §_o 20._o as_o that_o baptism_n confer_v grace_n by_o the_o work_n do_v that_o baptism_n be_v regeneration_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o m.t._n in_o all_o his_o allegation_n of_o antiquity_n or_o other_o that_o be_v orthodox_n in_o the_o main_n have_v not_o to_o our_o knowledge_n produce_v any_o such_o expression_n as_o that_o popish_a one_o that_o baptism_n confer_v grace_n by_o the_o work_n do_v 2_o that_o we_o have_v produce_v place_n of_o best_a antiquity_n that_o express_o tell_v we_o that_o their_o meaning_n be_v that_o we_o shall_v not_o in_o deny_v baptism_n to_o infant_n as_o much_o as_o in_o we_o lie_v hinder_v their_o salvation_n cyprian_a salvation_n see_v before_o out_o of_o cyprian_a three_o that_o ancient_n do_v call_v baptism_n regeneration_n be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o speak_v scripture_n phrase_n point_n phrase_n which_o place_n the_o ancient_n oft_o quote_v in_o that_o point_n john_n 3.5_o titus_n 3.5_o four_o that_o the_o ancient_n do_v not_o think_v baptism_n do_v profit_n all_o baptize_v person_n donatistas_n person_n lib._n 4._o contra_fw-la donatistas_n augustine_n say_v what_o profit_v the_o sacrament_n to_o they_o that_o receive_v it_o unless_o they_o be_v inward_o change_v and_o blame_v some_o in_o his_o time_n say_v what_o profit_v the_o sacrament_n to_o they_o that_o receive_v it_o unless_o they_o be_v inward_o change_v and_o blame_v some_o in_o his_o time_n say_v spem_fw-la baptiz_n andorum_fw-la auferunt_fw-la à_fw-la domino_fw-la deo_fw-la &_o in_o homine_fw-la ponendam_fw-la esse_fw-la persuadent_fw-la that_o be_v they_o take_v off_o the_o baptize_v from_o their_o hope_n in_o god_n and_o persuade_v they_o to_o place_v it_o in_o man_n to_o m.t._n his_o three_o particular_a thence_o exercit._n exercit._n that_o infant_n die_v be_v save_v by_o the_o faith_n of_o their_o parent_n we_o reply_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la 1_o how_o do_v this_o agree_v with_o the_o former_a assertion_n that_o we_o hold_v baptism_n confer_v grace_n ex●pere_fw-fr ●perato_fw-mi by_o the_o work_n do_v 2_o where_o in_o approve_a antiquity_n or_o late_a protestant_a writer_n be_v any_o such_o expression_n we_o say_v upon_o very_o good_a scripture_n urge_v afore_o that_o a_o child_n 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state-serving-complyants_a chap._n xviii_o to_o m.t._n his_o first_o particular_a of_o his_o minor_a in_o his_o eight_o argument_n exercitat_fw-la exercitat_fw-la that_o infant-baptisme_n have_v occasion_v private_a baptism_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la if_o m.t._n mean_v private_a in_o regard_n of_o place_n for_o we_o never_o know_v of_o difference_n of_o form_n as_o that_o which_o be_v do_v in_o a_o dwell_a house_n we_o demand_v what_o danger_n or_o derogation_n be_v there_o in_o that_o more_o than_o in_o that_o which_o be_v common_o call_v a_o church_n or_o 2_o that_o baptism_n which_o be_v not_o do_v in_o a_o river_n we_o demand_v whether_o baptism_n in_o a_o dwell_a house_n or_o in_o a_o meeting_n place_n in_o the_o company_n of_o 40_o or_o 50_o be_v not_o as_o public_a as_o when_o two_o or_o three_o steal_n to_o a_o river_n side_n in_o some_o uncouth_a and_o unfrequented_a place_n yea_o and_o as_o well_o do_v in_o the_o say_a house_n as_o there_o as_o to_o the_o 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they_o be_v bring_v into_o light_n we_o answer_v animad_fw-la animad_fw-la we_o