A LETTER OF MANY MINISTERS IN OLD ENGLAND Requesting The judgement of their Reverend Brethren in New England concerning Nine Positions Written Anno Dom. 1637. Together with their Answer thereunto returned Anno 1639. And the Reply made unto the said Answer and sent over unto them Anno 1640. Now published by occasion mentioned in the Epistle to the Reader following in the next page upon the desire of many godly and faithfull Ministers in and about the City of London who love and seeke the truth By Simeon Ash and William Rathband 1 Thes 5. 21. Prove all things Hold fast that which is good LONDON Printed for Thomas Vnderhill at the signe of the Bible in great Woodstreet 1643. I Have diligently perused this Reply to the Answer of the Ministers of New-England to the nine Positions which I have approved and judge very necessarie and seasonable to bee Printed and published Iuly the fifth 1643. Iames Cranford Rector of Christophers London Errata PAge 22. Marg. read Romae p. 33 line 27 r. society p 37. l. 21. r. Of all true Churches p 37. l. 3â— r. parium p. 47. l. 41 r. saith p 48. l. 30. r. quin. p. 50. l. 31 r. Ordinance The faults escaped in the quotation p. 5â— in some Copies the reader is desired to correct by Beza de Presb. p 57 l. 7. r. is the same p 61 l 25. r. Objection p. 61. l. 28. r. were dispensed p 64 l â—4 r. which without p. 67. l. 14. r parium p. 67 l. 29 r. therefore to them p. 6â— l. 28. r. with Christ To the Reader Good Reader VPon the receipt of the Answer returned unto the Nine Positions Master Ball moved by the request of Brethren drew up this reply which upon perusall and joynt approbation was directed unto the reverend Elders of the severall Churches in New England The Reply sent miscarrying in the hand to which it was committed though both Letters and printed Bookes trusted in the same hand were delivered Hereupon another Copie was from New England desired and accordingly prepared in the yeare following In the meane time the Answer being tendered to the Presse it was judged more meete to keepe the Reply in readinesse to attend the publishing of the Answer then to part with it in the other way This intelligence was the last yeare conveyed into New England since which time there hath been an expectation to see that in Print which now is sent abroad to open view By this Relation it is manifest who are voluntiers and who are pressed to come forth as defendants in these Controversies These differences betwixt the loving Brethren of old England and New had not been made thus notorious if some who cry up the Church way in New England as the only way of God had not been forward to blow them abroad in the world But surely the providence of God is remarkeable in bringing these questions into debate at this time When the Ministers of the Gospell from all the Counties in the Kingdome are called together by both houses of Parliament to consult about the healing of our breaches which are very many and dangerous The Copie of this Reply being committed to our custodie we are necessitated to appeare in the publication of it yet we shall preface nothing concerning the Treatise it selfe because our known respects to the reverend and judicious Author will tender us partiall and our testimony can adde no credit to his works which withall indifferent Readers will plead sufficiently for their own acceptance If this discourse shall adde any discovery of light unto them who desire a sound judgement in the controversies here agitated our end is obtained and our prayers answered who are Thy Servants in and for the truth Simeon Ash William Rathband The Letter of those Ministers in England who requested to know the judgement of their Brethren in New England in Nine positions wherein the reasons of this their request are truly reported Reverend and beloved Brethren WHiles we lived together in the same Kingdome we professed the same faith joyned in the same Ordinances laboured in the worke of God to gaine soules unto his kingdome and maintained the puritie of worship against corruptions both on the right hand and on the left But since your departure into New England we heare and partly beleeve it that divers have embraced certaine vain opinions such as you disliked formerly and we judge to be groundlesse and unwarrantable As that a stinted forme of prayer and set Liturgie is unlawfull That it is not lawfull to joyne in prayer or to receive the Sacrament where a stinted Liturgie is used 3. That the children of godly and approved Christians are not to be Raptized untill their parents bee set members of some perticular congregation 4. that the Parents themselves though of approved piety are not to be received to the Lords Supper untill they bee admitted as set members 5. That the power of Excommunication c. is so in the body of the Church that what the major part shall allow that must be done though the Pastors and Governors and part of the assembly be of another minde and peradventure upon more substantiall reasons 6. That none are to be admitted as set members but they must promise not to depart or remove unlesse the Congregation will give leave 7. That a Minister is so a Minister to a particular Congregation that if they dislike him unjustly or leave him he ceaseth to be a Minister 8. That a Minister cannot performe any ministeriall act in another Congregation 9. That members of one Congregation may not communicate in another These and other such like which we omit to reckon up are written and reported to be the common Tenents in New England which are received with great applause maintained with great confidence and applauded as the only Church way wherein the Lord is to be worshipped And letters from New England have so taken with divers in many parts of this Kingdome that they have left our Assemblies because of a stinted Liturgie and excommunicated themselves from the Lords Supper because such as are not debarred from it And being turned aside themselves they labour to ensnare others to the griefe of the godly the scandall of Religion the wounding of their owne soules if they did advisedly consider the matter and great advantage of them that are wily to espy and ready to make use of all advantages to prejudice the truth Beloved brethren if you stood in our places we are well assured it would be no small griefe unto you to heare and see the people led afide to the disgrace of the Gospell upon weake and groundlesse imaginations and in rash and inconsiderate zeale to deale with that which is of God as if it were of man And if it be to us griefe of heart to heare that you have changed from that truth which you did professe and embrace that for truth which in former times upon sound grounds you did condemne
approved Christians members of our Churches comming over into New England shall desire either to have their children baptized or to be admitted themselves to the Lords Supper before they be set members of any society these we desire to know upon what grounds from God you can deny them if you acknowledge our Churches Ministery and Sacraments to be true and of God as you professe and the members of the Church be known and approved orderly recommended unto you It is the priviledge of Christians baptised themselves and walking in the faith that their children should have right to baptisme in all true Churches in the world It is the priviledge of Christians lawfully and justly admitted to the Lords Supper in one visible Church and walking in covenant with God that they have right to this priviledge in all Churches professing their intire faith and you must shew just and sound reasons from God of your judgement and practice in debarring their seed from baptisme and parents themselves from the Supper or else to use the words of a reverend Elder among you in a case of lesse importance and not concerning so many you will be found guilty of adding to the words and making eleven Commandements and setting up humane customes and selfewill against Gods appointment For the Sacraments are given to the Church as a priviledge peculiar thereunto but you deny this priviledge to the true visible members of the Church as your selves confesse For if the Ministers be the Ministers of Christ and their congregations the Churches of Christ then knowne and approved Christians are members of the Church In your opinion the members of the Jewish Church might be received unto baptisme upon confession of the Christian faith before they were entred into Church fellowship and it is more then strange to us that you should not thinke the true visible members of the Churches of Christ to have as much title and interest to the Seales as the members of the Jewish Church to the Sacrament of Baptisme 6 The distinct Churches mentioned in the New Testament it is not certain that they were congregationall societies consisting onely of so many as might and did meete together ordinarily in one place at one time for the publike worship of God and their own edification and if this were granted it would not carry the weight that was laid upon it But because it may make way for the clearing of some other points pertaining to discipline and Church orders we intreat leave to set downe and desire you to examine what may be objected against it We will not insist upon this that the least circuite wherein there is mention of Churches is ample enough to containe some diocesses and the least City populous enough to make many numbersome congregations Nor upon this that to meete at one time and one place as one assembly is a thing meerely accidentary to the unity of the Church and society Ecclesiasticall which is still one when they are dispersed asunder and no particular man of that society at first remaining now alive The number of beleevers was so great in some Cities as they could not conveniently meete in one place as one assembly to worship the Lord according to his will and for their edifying That there was a Church gathered in the City of Samaria by the ministery of Phillip will not be denyed for they received the word and were baptised but that the Church in that City was onely a congregationall assembly is more then can probably be concluded out of Scripture For the whole City or the greatest part could not ordinarily assemble in one place to their edification But the whole City of Samaria in a manner as it is probable imbraced the faith As the whole City from the least to the greatest had given heede to Simon Magus before so to Phillip now when he preached Christ And the Text saith expresly that Samaria received the Gospell The Christian Church at Ierusalem was one and distinct but it grew and increased first to 3000. then to 5000. afterwards multitudes of men and women were added and the multitude of Disciples increased it is also noted that a company of the Priests received the faith The Syriacke hath it of the Jews scil inhabiting Judea but the Greeke Arabian vulgar Chrisostoms Ethiopians approve the former and the number of the Priests was not small there is mention also of millions of beleevers And when all the Apostles or the greatest part of them remained at Jerusalem for a time continuing in the ministery of the word and prayer and that they might doe it the more earnestly and diligently left the care of the poore to others how can we thinke but that Church did grow exceedingly and the number of beleevers there to be more then could fitly meete ordinarily in one congregation Without question the number of beleevers in Antioch was not small of which it is said expresly that a great number beleeved turned to the Lord and that a great multitude was added to the Lord by the preaching of Barnabas and that Paul and Barnabas continued there one whole yeere preaching the word of God and teaching the multitude so that the Disciples were first called Christians at Antiach After that this Church was visited by Paul and Barnabas who continued there teaching and preaching the Word of God with many others also and may wee not thinke that this Church did quickly rise to such bignesse that they could not well assemble in one congregation as now wee call them It will easily be credited that the number of believers was not small at Ephesus if we call to minde that when Paul had been there but two yeers all they that dwelt in Asia had heard the word of the Lord both Iews and Grecians that a great doore and effectuall was opened to him at Ephesus That the art for making Shrines and Dianaes Temple was in danger to be set at nought and that those that had used curious arts came and burnt their books in the sight of all men which could not be done without great danger unto the Church unlesse a great part of the City had believed Where a Church did comprehend a City with its Suburbs and the Country circumjacent i. e. the believers who professed the faith within that circuit It might well be that the number did so increase through the extraordinary blessing of God which accompanied the preaching of the word in those primitive times and first planting of the heavenly Kingdome that they could not well meet ordinarily in one place and yet continued one Society For when a number is gathered in small Villages or some added to the number already gathered it is not meet they should be neglected because small nor divided from the body because the number not competent to make an intire and perfect body of it selfe The increase of the Churches doth require an increase of Elders and if they grow
the many rich precious treasures of his grace wherewith the Lord hath furnished sandrie of you above your Brethren which causeth us with great reverence to accept and receive what further light God may be pleased to impart unto us by you But as we have beleeved so have we hitherto practised and so have most of us spoken this our Answer to your particulars most of us we may say because there wants not some Brethren amongst us who proceed further even to looke at all set formes of Prayer invented by men of another age or congregation and prescribed to their Brethren to be read out of a book for the prayers of the Church as Images or Imaginations of men forbidden in the second Commandement But as we leave them to their libertie of their own judgements without prejudice so do we also concurre with the rest of them so farre as we all goe in bearing witnesse against any set formes or the corruptions in them In dispatching whereof we have been the more slow because it behoved us first to inquire into and to settle some controversies amongst our selves before we could well attend to entertaine discourse about forraigne questions which do not so neerely concerne our present estate and practise Besides your Letters being sent to the Ministers of the Churches and some of us dwelling farre asunder it was not an easie thing for all of us often to meet together to consider of these Questions much lesse to resolve upon one just answer But having at length by the assistance of God brought our Answers to this issue we commend it to the blessing of the Lord and in him to your Christian and judicious consideration where if all things bee found safe and duely warranted from Scripture grounds do you also as seemeth vigilant Watchmen of the Lords flock and faithfull witnesses to God If any thing seeme doubtfull to you consider and weigh it very well before you reject it If any thing appeare to be unsound and dissonant from the Word which we for our parts cannot discerne we shall willingly attend to what further light God may send unto us by you In the meane while wee intreat you in the Lord not to suffer such apprehensions to lodge in your minds which you intimate in your Letters As if we here justified the wayes of riged separation which sometimes amongst you we have formerly borne witnesse against and so build againe the things we have destroyed you know they separate from your Congregations as no Churches from the Ordinances dispensed by you as meere Antichristian and from your selves as no visible Christians But wee professe unfainedly we separate from the corruptions which we conceive to be left in your Churches and from such Ordinances administred therein as we feare are not of God but of men And for your selves we are so farre from separating as from no visible Christians as that you are under God in our hearts if the Lord would suffer it to live and die together and we looke at sundrie of you as men of that eminent growth in Christianitie that if there by any visible Christians under heaven amongst you are the men which for these many yeeres have been written in your foreheads Holinesse to the Lord which we speake not to prejudice any truth which our selves are here taught and called to professe but we still beleeve though personall Christians may be eminent in their growth of Christianitie yet Churches had still need to grow from apparent defects to puritie and from reformation to Reformation age after age till the Lord have utterly abolished Antichrist with the breath of his mouth and the brightnesse of his comming to the full and cleare revelation of all his holy Truth especially touching the ordering of his house and publick worship as a pledge of this our estimation of you and sincere affection to you we have sent you these Answers to your demand and shall be readie by the help of Christ to receive back againe from you wise and just and holy Advertisements in the Lord. Now the Lord God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ your Lord and ours lead us all unto all Truths purge out all Leaven out of his Churches and keepe us blamelesse and harmlesse in his holy Faith and feare to his heavenly kingdome through him that hath loved us In whom we rest Your very loving Brethren the Elders of the Churches in new-New-England Reverend and dearely beloved Brethren IT is not to be doubted but while we live here we shall have just cause to search and try our ways look back upon former courses and call things done to more strict examination For being over-clouded with ignorance compassed about with infirmities and beset with many temptations to sinne knowing what we know best but darkly and in part no marvell if in many things we offend ignorantly of frailty for want of due consideration rashly mistaking Errour for Truth condemning Truth for Errour suspecting evill without cause and not suspecting where is just reason drawing erronious conclusions from sound principles and maintaining truths upon weak grounds so that in examination of our wayes and endevours of their Reformation wee had need to looke warily that wee turn not to the right hand or to the left for in the one we add to the Word of God as well as in the oother and of our selves are apt to strike aside to both A loose conscience will be profane a tender scrupulous It stands us therefore upon to have our selves in suspition in as much as experience teacheth that many have swerved from the path of sound peace and comfort on each hand Wherefore Beloved Brethren if since your comming into New England upon serious Review of former actions you have discovered any truths heretofore not taken notice of we shal be so far from rejecting them because of your former judgment and practice that we shall heartily desire to know and imbrace the same with you and blesse God for you as the happy instruments of his glory our Instruction the advancement of the truth But if the discoveries be of the like nature with the positions mentioned in the Letter as before so still we conceive them to be new opinions and not warranted by Scripture which is the true Antiquity Opinions we say not practices for not changing your opinion you might lawfully alter your practice nay what you did tolerate formerly as a burthen in case not free you might well forgoe being at your liberty Your judgement being the same you might use your liberty in forbearance of a set Liturgie and yet retaine the same judgement of a stinted Liturgie that you had before you might forbeare for a time upon speciall Reason such as present state and occasion might suggest to receive to the Sacrament approved Christians not set members of a particular Congregation as some Brethren do who yet dare not think it unlawfull to communicate with such in the act of worship or deem
this that you deny not the Sacraments administred in other Churches to be the true Sacraments of Christ for substance then you ascribe little more to the Churches of Christ in this then to the Synagogue of Satan the Church of Rome For you will not deny Baptisme administred among them to be true for substance If you deny not to have fellowship with them in the Scals and to admit them to the Sacrament and to communicate with them then either your judgment is contrary to your practice or you exclude the Churches of England from the number of true visible Churches of Christ which is to destroy what you formerly builded and here professe All possible care to keep the Ordinances of God from contempt we allow and commend provided you go not beyond the Lords warrant and deny not the priviledges of the Church to them to whom they are due by divine appointment nor the name and title of Church to those societies which God hath plentifully blessed with means of grace have received the Tables and Seals and have entred into Covenant with his Highnesse Your liberty to receive such satisfaction as is meet is not called into question nor whether you are to keep the bond of the Spirit inviolate according to order But whether this be to keep the bond of the Spirit inviolate viz to exclude from the Sacrament true visible believers or knowne recommended Christians formerly members of visible Churches among us and their children because they are not members as you speak in Church Order And whether God alloweth to put this difference between Church mēbers of your societies other visible believers walking in holines though not admitted members of any society according to your Church order as to receive the one though members of another society unto the Seals and to debar the other and their children These are the things to be considered in these present positions And first we will examine your Reasons for your judgment and practice by themselves and then so far as we judge meet try your answers to the objections you make against it 1 Consideration THe Seals Baptism the Lords Supper are given to the Church as a priviledge peculiar therto in ordinary dispensation Indeed the preaching of the word is not so being an ordinance given not onely for the edifying of the Church already gathered but also for the gathering of men to the Churches that yet are without wheras the dispensing of the Seals is Gods Ordinance given onely for the edifying of the Church being gathered and not for the gathering of it And because there is now no universall visible Church on earth wherein the Seals are dispenced there being no place nor time nor Officers nor Ordinances appointed in the New Testament by Christ our Lord for any such Assemblies as the Iewes had under Moses It remains that the Christian Churches whereunto these priviledges were given are congregationall consisting onely of so many as may and do meet together ordinarily in one place for the publike worshipping of God and their own edifying Hence it is that we read so much in the New Testament of the Churches in the plurall number the Churches of Christ the Churches of God the Churches of the Saints and not onely when they were of divers Nations the Churches of the Gentiles but also of the same Nation The Churches of Iudèa and not onely when that Country was of large extent and circuit the Churches of Asia but also of a small part of the Country The Churches of Galatia yea when congregations in severall Cities are spoken of They are called Churches as the Churches of Ierusalem the Churches at Antioch To wind up all seeing the Churches in the Gospell are congregationall and that Baptisme and the Lords Supper being Church priviledges belong onely to the Churches it will follow that as City priviledges belong onely to Citizens and their children so baptisme and the Lords Supper being Church priviledges belong onely to the members of particular Churches and their seed And that seeing sigillum sequitur donum to apply them to others what is it but to abuse them As a seal of a corporation is abused if added to confirme the grant of priviledges which are peculiar to any Towne corporate to one that being no free-man of that corporation is uncapable thereof Reply IF by the Church be understood the Society of men professing the entire faith of Christ the seales are given unto it as a peculiar priviledge but if by the Church you understand onely a congregationall assembly in Church order the seales were never appropriated to it But to examine every thing in order as it is propounded 1 The Seales Baptisme and the Lords Supper are given to the Church as priviledges peculiar thereunto not onely in ordinary as you say but also in extraordinary dispensation True baptisme is not without the Church but within it an ordinance given to it and they that are baptised must needes be of a Church The Sacraments are the seales of the Covenant to the faithfull which is the forme of the Church and when for substance rightly used tokens and pledges of our spirituall admittance and entertainment into the Lords family and Symbolls or testimonies whereby the people of God are distinguished from all other Nations This is most certain as in the ordinary so in the extraordinary dispensation of the Seales as is confirmed by the Texts of Scripture alleadged in the Margine For the Apostles as you say dispenced the seales in an extraordinary way but the seales dispenced by the Apostles were Seales of the covenant priviledges peculiar to the Church priviledges of spirituall admittance and entertainment into the Lords family And when you say the dispencing of the Seals is an Ordinance given onely for the edifying of the Church being gathered and not for the gathering of it must it not be understood in extraordinary dispensation as wel as ordinary To what pupose then are those words in ordinary dispensation added to the proposition if thereby you would intimate that the Sacraments be not the peculiar priviledges of the Church and Seales of the Covenant in extraordinary dispensation it is evidently crosse to the Text you cite and to your selves afterward If your meaning be that in ordinary dispensation the Sacraments doe of right belong to them onely who bee set members of a visible congregation it is all one with the conclusion that which is in question and should be proved and that which this very Scripture doth plentifully disprove ' for they that were baptised were not set members of a particular congregationall Church whereunto they were baptised nor in a Church way before baptisme as is evident and granted by the most of your selves but by baptisme solemnly admitted into the Church and then it is not for your purpose or they were set members as some of the brethren seeme to contend in answer to the objection framed against this consideration and
Pastors and Teachers shall be much or little confounded Is this to take as illimited power as the Apostles did in the execution of their office How shal this tend to abrogate the distinction of Church Assemblies from the confused multitude or how is the profanation of the seals thereby indangered You aske if without respect to their Church estate men of approved pietie as we say are to be admitted into fellowship in the seals how shall their pietie be approved to the Church not by their own report of themselves alone c. Do not you say the same That there be many godly persons and of approved pietie among us who are not approved by their own report of themselves unlesse ye will take their wisedome faith patience courage constancie and holinesse of life for their report approved we say by as ample and sufficient testimonie as the Apostles exacted of them whom they received into Church fellowship or can be required of members admitted unto the priviledges of the Church if men will follow the Lords direction or as you can give to ordinances members of your societies You professe high respect of your brethren in old England but it seemes you judge them insufficient to give orderly testimonie of the sinceritie and uprightnesse of approved Christians well known unto them and living among them which two cannot well agree We speake not of such who against light refuse to professe subjection to the Gospel of Christ to joyne themselves orderly in fellowship with some approved Church But of such as do with all readinesse professe subjection and walk accordingly and heartily desire to joyn themselves to the most pure and compleat Churches so farre as they are taught of God or have opportunitie thereunto And if exception be taken against them onely who refuse against light to submit themselves to the Gospel by what rule do you proceed when you judge men to refuse against light or debarre them who do not refuse against conscience but for lacke of opportunitie No doubt as you say but now and then a man of approved pietie in the judgement of some may be found too light yea and in the judgement of his owne conscience when he hath come to triall And no question but many have been admitted by the Church who indeed and truth are much too light and some refused who deserved better then they that cast them off we will not dispute what errours have been committed nor what blessing ye have found upon your proceedings we heartily beseech the Lord to keep your congregation pure make his ordinances more and more effectuall go before you in the way wherein you should walk and multiply his mercies upon you in the same But this we are perswaded and therefore we speak that in debarring godly Christians from the Lords Supper and much more the children of those parents who are in covenant with God from holy baptisme you exceed your commission you have received from God and go beyond your due bounds And notwithstanding your circumspection more worthy and faithfull Christians have been denied when of lesse worth and meaner sufficiencies have passed and been by you received Answ 6. Consid NOne have power to dispence the Seales but they that are called to the office of Ministery and no man can be so called till first there be a Church to call him seeing the power of calling Ministers is given by Christ unto the Church and thence it follows that all those that desire to partake of the Seales are bound to joyne themselves in Church state that so they may call a Minister to dispense the Seales unto them And this dutie by the appointment of God lieth not onely upon some Christians but equally upon all ergo no Christian can expect by the appointment of God to partake in the Seals till he have joyned himselfe in Church fellowship and in the call of the Minister And indeed seeing a Church and a Minister called by the Church is of such necessitie for the dispensing of the seales it may seeme unreasonable that some Christians should be bound to become a Church and to call a Minister that so the seales may be dispensed and other men when this is done have equall libertie to the seals who refuse to joyne unto the Church Reply THis conclusion is not to the question propounded for we speake of such as cannot not of such as refuse to joyne themselves unto the Church or if they do not joyne it is not out of contempt or wilfull neglect of Gods ordinance or desire of carnall libertie and not to be in subjection to Christ but for lacke of opportunitie or through their fault that should admit them but do not For if in any of your Churches you shall require more of members to be admitted then Christ the chiefe Shepherd of the flock doth or presse that upon their consciences which they cannot consent unto if they shall sit downe quietly for the time and serve God in private when they cannot injoy Church priviledges it is your fault and not theirs And they may more justly challenge the Assemblie as injurious and tyrannicall then you them as wilfull despisers of Gods ordinance We accuse not the wisedome and discretion of your Chuches but we know the zealous multitude may sometimes be rash And when a reason is craved of your judgement why you do debarre the most knowne and approved Christians which come over and their children from the seals of the covenant we dislike you should put this note upon them as if against light they refused orderly to subject themselves to the Gospel of Jesus Christ What warrant you have thus to censure what use of this manner of dispute we leave it to your godly wisedome to judge In the Consideration it self there are many Propositions couched together which we must examine severally as they have reference to the conclusion intended and then try whether it can be raised from them The first Proposition That none have power to dispence the Seales but they that are called to the office of Ministery is freely granted The second That no man can be so called till first there be a Church to call him needeth explication For by the Church you must understand the community of the faithfull as they are one bodie without officers or guides And such a Church there cannot be without a Ministery to call and admit them into Church-fellowship The Apostles baptised not themselves but by the help of others those not called of the people to be baptised 1 Cor. 1. 17. The Apostles appointed by electiō Elders in every city or Church And so there was a Church before Elders were set over it but this Church was a societie of beleevers by baptisme admitted into Church-fellowship There can be no Church to call a Minister to feed the flock and dispence the seals till they have received the doctrine of salvation intirely and by the seale of initiation be solemnly received into the
ever in ordinary way the Sacraments were lawfully dispenced or received in the Christian Churches of God since the first foundation of them Now the premises being liable to so many exceptions the conclusion to be laid upon them will fall of it selfe And thereunto wee oppose the direct contrary That Infidels converted to the faith or godly Christians formerly visible beleevers knowne and approved members of Congregations professing the intire faith and joyning together in the lawfull use of the Sacraments for substance according to the Institution may and ought to desire and expect the Seales of the Covenant to be dispenced to them and to their seede though for the present they be not joyned into such Church-state and call of Ministers as you require Answer 7. Consideration THat our practise may not be censured as novell and singular give us leave to produce a President of the like care observed and approved by publick countenance of State in the dayes of Edward 6. of blessed and famous memory who in the yeare 1550. granted Johannes Alasco a learned Noble man of Poland under the great Seale of England libertie to gather a Church of strangers in London and to order themselves according as they should finde to be most agreeable to the Scriptures Among other godly orders established in that Church that which concerned the Administration of Baptisme to prevent the prophanation of it we will repeate in Alascoes owne words Baptisme in our Church saith he is administred in the publique Assembly of the Church after the publique Sermon for seeing Baptisme doth so belong to the whole Church that none ought to be driven thence which is a member of the Church nor to be admitted to it who is not a member of it truely it is equall that that should be performed publiquely in the Assembly of the whole Church which belongs to the whole Church in common Againe he addeth Now seeing our Churches are by Gods blessing so established by the Kings Majestie that they may be as it were one parish of strangers dispersed throughout the whole Citie or one body corporate as it is called in the Kings grant and yet all strangers doe not joyne themselves to our Church yea there are those who while they avoyde all Churches will pretend to the English Churches that they are joyned with us and to us that they are joyned to the English Churches and so doe abuse both them and us lest the English Churches and the Ministers thereof should be deceived by the impostures of such men and that under colour of our Churches wee doe baptize their Infants alone who have adjoyned themselves to our Churches by publique confession of their faith and observation of Ecclesiasticall discipline And that our Churches may be certaine that the Infants that are to be baptized are their seede who have joyned themselves thereto in manner aforesaid the father of the Infant to be baptized it possible he can or other men and women of notable credit in the Church doe offer the Infant to Baptisme and doe publickly professe that it is the seede of the Church yet wee suffer no stranger to offer Infants to Baptisme in our Churches who hath not made publique profession of his faith and willingly submitted himselfe to the Discipline of the Church lest otherwise they who present their children to Baptisme might in time plead that they belong to our Churches and so should deceive the English Churches and their Ministers To those which presented Infants to Baptisme they propounded three questions the first was Are these Infants which yee offer the seed of this Church that they may lawfully be here baptized by our Ministery c. Answer Yea. This Instance is the more to be regarded because Alasco affirmeth in the preface of that Book that this libertie was by the King granted to them out of his desire to settle alike reformation in the English Churches which in effect you see the same with our practise in this particular Reply THe practise of the Church of strangers in London recorded by John Alasco is farre different from your judgement and practise not in some by-circumstances but in the maine point in question for your judgement is that true visible beleevers baptized and partakers of the Lords Supper in other Churches not yet gathered into Church-estate or fellowship have no right or interest in the Seales they nor their seede But this Church of strangers held no such opinion as their own words which you have omitted doe plainly speake And Paul testifyeth say they that by Christs Ordinance the Church it selfe without exception of any member of it is to be accounted cleane or holy by the ministery of Baptisme Whence we may easily see that Baptisme doth neither belong to those who are altogether without the Church nor to be denyed to any member of the Church Secondly They held communion with the Church of England as one and the same with theirs For so they professe Yet neverthelesse that we may openly shew that the English Churches and ours are one and the same Church though we differ somewhat from them both in language and Ceremonies We doe not refuse that the English may as publick witnesses of the Church offer the Infants of our members to Baptisme in our Churches if they have both the use of our language and a certain testimony of their piety As in like manner our members are accustomed to offer the Infants of the English to Baptisme in the English Churches If your judgement be this of the English Churches your judgement in acknowledging us members of true Churches and practise in debarring visible beleevers and their seede from the Seales are opposite the one to the other Thirdly This order was observed by them to prevent the impostures of some who whilst they avoyded all Churches pretended to the English that they were joyned to the strangers and to the strangers that they were joyned to the English But you debarre knowne Christians who desire to joyne themselves with you not to prevent impostures of them who avoyde all Churches yea you debarre them as men having no right to the Sacraments because they be not in Church-fellowship and herein you can shew no president ancient or moderne either from Scripture or Monuments of the Church And as your practise is without example so without warrant from the word of God And this is the maine reason why we cannot consent unto you in this particular which we thus propound 1 Reason THat sacred order which God hath set in his visible Church for all his Saints to keep and walk by that is religiously to be observed But for men to set up that as a necessarie order which God never allowed approved or commanded is great presumption Now the Lord hath not ordained that a man should be a set member of a particular Societie or body politique of faithfull people joyned together in spirituall Church-fellowship by Covenant before he be admitted unto the Lords Supper
God to make them disciples and not to preach unto disciples only or members of the houshould The Apostles certainly had authority and preached by authority but they preached not to Infidells and Heathens as to disciples or members of the Church much lesse did they give a portion to them as to the houshold which is the preaching by office which you acknowledge Thirdly if under the power of the keyes you comprehend preaching by office dispensing the seales casting out and receiving againe into the bosome of the Church wee deny the power of the keyes to belong to the Church or community of the faithfull we cannot find in Scripture that Christ ever granted such power to the faithfull as faithfull joyned together in Covenant in those passages which speake of this power the execution of this authority is given to them to whom the authoritie is committed If the power of the keyes be given to the whole Church the Apostles themselves must derive their authoritie immediatly from the Church and not from Christ for the power must be derived from them unto whom it was given but their power and authority was not from the Church but from Christ immediatly And if the dispensation and exercise of the keyes be concredited to the Ministers Doth it hold in all things or onely in the dispensation of the Sacraments and preaching by office Doe they dispense the seales as the Stewards of Christ from whom they receive their authority immediately or as the servants of the Church from which they derive their authority If in the first sense the power of the keys is not in the community of the faithfull If in the second the office of a Minister is not the immediate gift of Christ nor the Minister so much the servant of Christ as of the Church from whom he must receive lawes in whose name he must doe his office and to whom he must give an account We could wish you had explained in what sense you hold the dispensation and execution of the power of the keyes is concredited to the Ministers and by whom For if the community of the faithfull have to doe in all matters concerning the body to admit members and cast them out to make and depose Ministers to bind and loose by authority derived from Christ wee cannot see how in your judgement the dispensation and execution of the power of the keyes is concredited to the Ministers Fourthly That which you add that God will not vouchsafe his presence and blessing to an ordinance but when it is dispenced by those whom hee hath ordayned and appointed thereunto must bee warily understood or it may occasion errors and distractions not a few You know what corruptions soone entred into the Church of God both in respect of Doctrine Worship Offices and entrance thereunto and how ready and apt is the conclusion from your words That Christ hath not vouchsafed his presence and blessing in his Ordinances to his Church But of this before And on the contrary seeing God hath vouchsafed his blessing in his Ordinances dispensed by your selves when you stood as visible Ministers in the congregation and Churches of old England you must confesse did approve both your standings and his Ordinances dispensed by you Secondly as for the Assumption that Pastors and Teachers are limited to a particular charge or society but that flock is not ever one congregationall assembly meeting in one place neither the band so streight whereby they are tied to that one society that they may not upon occasion performe some Ministeriall Act or Office in another congregation or to them that be not set members of their proper assembly For first to dispence the Seals of the covenant is a ministeriall act an act of Office and not an exercise of gifts onely But the Pastors of one Assembly may dispence the Sacrament to the set members of another society upon occasion as you confesse in this and in your answer to the ninth position And if the members of one Church may lawfully upon occasion receive the Sacrament of the Supper in another society from the Pastor thereof then may the Pastor of one congregation performe a Ministeriall act to the members of another and if to the members of another then in another congregation with consent and upon occasion Secondly As the Ministers are exhorted to feed their fleek so is every Christian and Minister to try and examine himselfe whether hee be in the faith but you will not allow this conclusion I must examine my self Ergo no man is debarred from the Sacrament for his unworthinesse or to be tried or examined by others to be observed admonished and brought to repentance for notorious sin No more can it be rightly gathered from the former passages of Scripture that the Minister is not upon occasion to performe any Ministeriall act to any other people or society because ordinarily he is to attend his own flock Thirdly As the Ministers have peculiar relation to their particular flocks so the people unto their particular Ministers unto whom they are ried in speciall manner as to their Overseers who must give account for theirsculs And if this peculiar relation betwixt the people the Minister doth not hinder the people from receiving the Lords Supper at the hands of another Minister nor the minister from performing the Ministeriall act to the members of another congregation Neither doth his peculiar Relation to his own flock hinder him from administring unto others upon just occasion being intreated thereunto As the combining of the people to their peculiar Minister doth not quite cut off their communion with other Ministers so neither doth the restraining of a Minister to a peculiar flock quite cut him off from administring upon occasion unto another people Paul appointeth the Ephesian Elders unto the care charg onely of their own particular flock but so to attend them ordinarily according to the rules of the Scripture that as occasion was offered might performe some Ministeriall acts in another congregation The taking heed unto their flocks which Paul requires in this place doth cōprehend under it the administration of the Word Prayer and Sacrament and if it must be restrained to their owne particular Churches onely it is unlawfull for a Pastor to preach or call upon the name of God in any publike Assembly save his own upon any occasion as these be duties prtaining to common confession or profession of faith Ordinary Pastors and Teachers it is true are not Apostles who are to go from place to place from Country to Country to plant and erect Churches but they are tied ordinarily to one flock as the Text proveth and to which purpose it is commonly cited But that a Pastor is so tied to his flock that he can perform no ministeriall act to any other upon any occasion that it proveth not nor can we find that it was ever so understood by Divines ancient or modern
which was the Catholike visible Church the society of men professing the faith of Christ throughout the world divided into many particular Churches whereof some are pure others impure some more others lesse sound Hereunto it may be added that every multitude and society of believers are indefinitely called the Church I persecuted the Church of God The house of God which is the Church of the living God In which sense all the Churches in the world may truly be called one And thus the Apostle Peter writing to many dispersed Churches who could not assemble in one place nor be fed by one Shepherd speaketh of them singularly as one flock Feed the flock of God which is among you But that flock are the strangers dispersed through Pontus Galatia Asia Cappadocia and Bythinia which could not possibly joine together in the Ordinances of Worship or make one distinct congregated assembly And if the Catholike Militant Church be one Society the Seals that are given as a prerogative to the Church are given unto it and the true Members of the Catholike Church have right and title to them in due order though they be not admitted into the Church fellowship you speak of For as the flock or society is one so is the Ministery Faith Covenant and Sacraments which are given as a communion prerogative unto the whole Church and not appropriated to this or that part ormember as separated from the whole which is further evidenced hereby that sometime it hath and too often it may fall out that a Christian may be a true member of the universall visible Church i. e. he may hold professe and maintain that holy Catholike Faith pure and undefiled without which no man can be saved who for the present is no actuall member of any particular or visible society in Church order As for example a man may be cut off by Excommunication from all commerce with the present visible Church wherein hee was bred and born when hee is not cut off from the Catholike Orthodoxall Church Hee may be deprived of participation of the Ordinance in every particular society when his right and title to them is much better then these who have most injuriously cast him out or debarred him of the means of salvation The communion of Saints whether visible or invisible is the effect and property of the Church Catholike and agreeth to the severall parts and members thereof as they be members of that body under the head and if particular Churches have communion together it must of necessity be that they bee parts and members of the whole body which is one 4. Though there be no universall congregation or assembly nor can be imagined yet there are and have beene many visible assemblies or societies true Churches of Christ to whom the Prerogative of the Seals is given which have not beene united and knit together in Church-order into one congregationall body or society For every society in covenant with God is the true Church of God for what is it to be the flock people or sheepe of God but to be the Church of God And where there is a Covenant there is the people of God They that are of the faith of Abraham are the children and seed of Abraham and within the Covenant of Abraham though but two or three and so of the same Church with him by that covenant The communication and accepting of the tables of the covenant is an undoubted token of a people in covenant or confederate but every society professing the true and entire faith joyning in prayer and thankesgiving receiving the truth of God to dwell among them and in some measure conforming themselves to the obedience of Gods Commandements is in covenant with God It is simply necessary to the being of a Church that it be laid upon Christ the foundation which being done the remaining of what is forbidden or the want of what is commanded cannot put the society from the title or right of a Church For Christ is the foundation and head corner stone of the Church and a people comming unto Christ united unto him built upon him having communion with him and growing up in him are the true Church of God and if the seals be annexed to the covenant by God himselfe as we cannot deny a people in covenant to be the Church so we must not deny their right and title to the Sacraments If therefore the meaning of the proposition be that the seales be given to the Church that is to true and sound Christians and people in covenant with God as a priviledge whether in ordinary or extraordinary dispensation we accept it as good and sound but it makes against your judgement and practice in keeping away such as have right and title to the ordinances If you meane the seales are given to the Church that is onely to set members of some particular society combined by covenant as it is among you we cannot receive it because it implieth a distinction not taught in Scripture and crosse to your selves And for the thing it selfe the Scripture hath nothing but many things against it as hath beene shewed 5 If it be granted that the seales are the prerogative of a particular visible Church known and approved Christians among us and their seed are members of true and visible Churches and so to be esteemed among you before they be entred into Church membership as you call it For every society professing the intire and true faith and joyning together in the right use of the Sacraments in matters substantiall is the true Church of God and every visible beleever receiving the word and professing the true intire faith admitted to the right and lawfull participation of the Sacraments is a visible member of the true Church if he have neither renounced that society nor deserved justly to be cast out by excommunication or Church censure For the intire profession of the truth the dwelling of the truth among men the right use of the Sacraments which is ever joyned with truth of Doctrine and to be esteemed by it is proper to them that be in covenant with God And they that truly partake of the Seales must needes be of a Church for the seales are not without but within the Church an ordinance given unto it and if they be true members of the true Churches of Jesus Christ other Churches are bound to hold communion with them in the ordinance of worship as divine providence shall minister occasion In answer to the ninth position you say the members of other Churches well known and approved by vertue of communion wich Churches doe mutually and with good acceptance communicate each of them at others Churches even so often as Gods providence leads them thereunto and themselves desire it In your preface to this consideration you say you admit to fellowship of the seales the known approved and orderly recommended members of any true Church and if knowne and