and the bounds of their habitation and in this civil co-habitation there is a union and this civil union in a Kingdom City or Parish or the like doth not un-un-church a people for this respect for then certainly all the Churches of Christ in Corinth Galatia Ephesus Pergamos Smyrna and others as well as in England London or a Parochial Congregation must have been un-churched then which what is more absurd to imagine Secondly there is a religious and more spiritual formal union when a company of men and women professing the Faith of Christ held forth in the Gospel and subjection thereunto in righteousnesse and true holinesse and united in a Parochial Church or congregational meeting place to partake of the holy Ordinance of the Word Prayer and Sacraments and other acts of Christian communion and Church fellowship This is a true form of a Church amongst us though not without some failings yet so as we have and do remain true Churches of Iesus Christ and such as ought not to be un-churched by schism and separation Quest 45. But how will this appear in particular Ans I Answer first for the preaching of the Gospel and our union in that we have had and do enioy a most comfortable union and meeting of Christ and one with another even our Adversaries being judges they themselves have found the sweetnesse of Christ in the preaching of the Gospel in our mixed Congregations by Gods faithful Ministers And although some Ministers there preach otherwise as in Galatia they do yet not un-church a Church for all this Secondly for prayer howsoever set forms have been by some in Authority so much pressed yet if we look to the ancient form prescribed in the dayes of King Edward the sixt of happy memory That was but a kinde of directory as was evident in the Rubrick and directions at the end of that Book that liberty given to use or not use in divers respects as that in prayer a man might knock his brest or not knock it he might kneel or not kneel in ordinance he might crosse or not crosse and divers other of like nature yea I conceive the late Book of Common-prayer howsoever pressed by some yet was but a kinde of directorie as in divers particulars is evident in direction for visitation of sick thanksgiving for womens deliverance from danger of childebirth left to discretion of a Minister and though pressed by other yet not un-church a Church for all this Thirdly for the Sacrament and administration of them those that object that Christ did blesse first the Bread and after distribution of the Bread or partaking of that did then blesse the Cup that we blesse them both together This is but a circumstance of time and if unchurch a Church for this then why not for changing the time of receiving from after supper to the morning or at feasts of charity or the like These are weak objections to unchurch a Church or to separate from a true Church for any such differences I may say the like to that of the cutting of the bread although the bread be cut and fitted for preparation yet we constantly break the Bread in our administration of the blessed Sacrament as those who joyn in communion with us know well Quest 45. But they object we admit ignorant and scandalous persons many times to the Sacrament which should be cast out of the Church Ans I Answer as Saint Paul did ordain concerning the incestuous person all such as are ignorant and to be cast out of the Church when once they are discovered and proved to be so not upon bare surmises onely and this is that which alwayes ought to have been done by the Discipline of the Church of England reade the old Rubrick in that Directory or Book of Common prayer before and at the Sacrament confirmed in the dayes of Edward the sixt and you may finde first that none ignorant ought to be admitted to the Sacrament they must first be catechized and approved before they be received to partake of that holy Ordinance and secondly none scandalous ought to be received yea if there have been or be but a controversie between two parties any malice or hatred the Minister ought first to examine the parties and to perswade to charity and admit the penitent and reject the uncharitable and howsoever this duty may have been neglected yet this failing is not a sufficient ground to un-un-church a Church or to separate from a Congregation presently for all this else might the Church of Corinth and other Churches of Christ have been unchurched as we noted before Quest 46. But what power of Discipline hath there been in particular Congregations in the Church of England that there might have been a power of Reformation in these things Ans I answer Certainly there was a great power in the Ministers of particular Congregations especially joyning with the Church-Officers who were sworn to assist in Execution of Discipline and further although there was a power taken to the Bishops in the great matter of Excommunication and such like censures yet not the Bishop nor any under him had any lawful power to Excommunicate any inflict any censure until they were first presented by the Minister or Church-officers of the particular Congregation Nor was any man taken notice of as Excommunicate or suspended from the Sacrament until the Sentence was Declared in the particular Congregation and thus There was a power of Discipline in particular Congregations although it was many times obstructed and not put in due Execution as it ought to have been yet for all this it had sufficient to declare and point out a form of a Church and to constitute and continue a true Church for all this Look to the Church of Corinth noted before Look to the Church of Pergamos where Discipline was obstructed the Church and Church-Officers suffered those who taught the Doctrine of Balaam Rev. 2.14 15. and the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans which Christ hated and yet a true Church for all this though corrupt and unsound in this respect Look to the Church of Thyatira Christ complained against them that Discipline was not exercised Rev. 2.20 they suffered the woman Jezabel yet Christ doth not un-church them nor direct any separation from them for all this And so our Churches are true Churches both for matter and form and not to be un-churched or any separation but a Reformation to be sought for and true unity in the Churches of Christ Quest 47. Yet once again Howsoever formerly there hath been a matter and form of a Church yet now the outward form is gone and the Church like an old house pull'd down to be new builded and where and what form of a Church have we now until Discipline and a Government be setled in the Church Ans I answer Our Church is now in a hopeful way of Reformation blessed be God but yet it is not like a house wholly pull'd down to be
new builded there are onely some few rooms pull'd down where the Officers for execution of Discipline lodged and some such particulars But the main house stands still the preaching of the Gospel as glorious as ever the Word and Prayer and the Sacraments and admission and growth of grace in the Churches of Christ yea even in our mixed Congregations and so still true Churches for matter and form and visible Saints to be found to and with whom we may exercise this grace of christian love and charity Quest 48. This is enough I conceive to shew our lawful membership in and of the Church of Christ and to evidence our Church a true Church in respect of admission into the fellowship of the Saints and communion of the faithful both for matter and form But now wherein should a childe of God declare and shew forth his Christian love and charity to such visible Saints and members of Christs Church Ans In all lawful christian union and communion one with another in actions of piety and charity according to the rules of the Gospel edifying one another in the knowledge of Christ receiving the weak brethren in all wisdom humility and love to build them up in the necessary truth of the Gospel and that in all godly prudence to win them to a more high prizing of Christ and all the wayes of Grace and godlinesse but not receiving weak brethren or sisters to doubtful Disputations Rom. 14.1 2 c. so much as in things indifferent and so not in matters of higher nature they being not able to judge of the force of Arguments in dispute 1 Tim. 1.4.6 and vain jangling too common in the world and so may be drawn to Errors have their consciences remain lesse satisfied in the truth Acts 2. 5. but to exercise all love towards them especially Ministers to the flock satisfying tender consciences out of Gods Word and one christian communicating to another in outward things especially to the poor in the Churches of Christ not that there is such a community of goods Rev. 2. and of all things as the wicked Nicolaitans did Acts 2. and some of later times do imagine by wrong interpreting Scripture but that in christian charity the richer christians should be careful to relieve the necessities of their poor Brethren and do good to them especially as being of the houshold of Faith Gal. 6.10 And this is enough to manifest the truth of members of particular Congregations that were baptized in Infancy and Catechized and professing Faith holinesse and renewing Covenant with God in Christ before their partaking of the Lords Supper as according to the true ancient order of the Church they have been in many Congregations Parochial in England where faithful Ministers have been and not onely in this respect but in respect of our Ministers Word and Sacraments and effects of grace wrought in the hearts of Gods children evidence our Churches true Churches whatsoever violent seducing Separatists whisper to their deceived Disciples to the contrary Thus you may see a communion of Saints in England to whom and with whom we may exercise our christian love and charity Ier. 15.19 which every day will shine more gloriously as Reformation separates the precious from the vile more fully which we hope and pray for daily The two and twentieth Classis or company of Questions Question 1. YOu have in some good measure declared these four Graces in the Wedding garment Divine knowledge lively Faith Evangelical Repentance and Christian love and charity Now is there no more required but the habits of these Graces to fit us for the comfortable partaking of the Lords Supper and to fit us in our walking with Christ in the whole course of our lives What light is there for Christians for direction herein Ans Yes we ought to wait on Christ in all good means that these graces may be enlivened actuated awakened as a man from sleep yea strengthned and lively 2 Tim i. 6 Rev. 3.2 stirred up and quickned by the quickning vertue and power of Christ that we may more sweetly meet Christ and gain soul-cherishing vertue from Christ in that holy ordinance and walk with Christ to eternal glory As man may have an habit of sight yet except awakened he cannot see Eph. 5.14 so we in habits of Grace must be awakened and quickned by Christ Quest 2. What helps or meant are there to be used in which we should wait on Christ for the quickning of these Graces and our further preparation for the Lords Table and walking with Christ in our lives And what light have you from Christ to direct in this particular Ans These helps are chiefly of three sorts revealed by Christ unto us 2 Chron. 30.3 c. Lev. 23.27 c 1 Cor. 11.17 c. First Publike preparation in the Ministery of the Word Prayer Catechizing confession or profession of these graces of Knowledge Faith Repentance and love especially in a day set apart for preparation for the meeting of Christ in this Ordinance that a man or woman may be approved of by the Ministers and Elders of the Church as being not onely in some competent measure freed from ignorance and without scandal but also endued with truth of grace as far as may be discerned in judgment of charity and so such as are to be admitted to joyn in communion with the Saints and partake with comfort in this this holy communion at the Table of the Lord. Quest 3. But is it fit that men or women should willingly make profession of their graces and approve themselves to the Church as well as examine themselves in secret before they presume to come to the Lords Supper Ans Howsoever it is not necessary that every one should make this profession every time he or she comes to the Sacrament yet it is certain that every one ought to make this profession or be known to be such a one until he or she be approved of by the Church as fit members to be admitted as children baptized when they come to age of discretion ought to professe the Faith in Christ 2 Cor. 2.5 c. 1 Cor. 5.3 c. 2. And if any fall into open sin after profession and admission it is fit they should declare their Repentance before they presume to come or be re-admitted to this feast of the Lord. Quest 4. What ground have you for this in holy Scriptures or what light from Christ to discover this Truth Ans Because if we must be alwayes ready to give an Answer to every one that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in us with meeknesse and fear 1 Pet. 3.15 and 5.1 c. Iud. 20.21 c. as is noted in the first Classis much more to the Church or to the Ministers of Christ or Elders set over the Congregation desiring not as Lord to tyrannize over our consciences or to shame us for our
the description of a visible Church and whether Christ or his Apostles did unchurch a church for some failings and whether it be lawfull for others to do so Whether children of Believers Baptized have an infant membership in the church Q 7 p. 290 c p. 170. and of their more full admission and entring into covenant when they come to make profession of faith and are admitted to the Lords Supper Whether any of our mixt congregations in England and London in particular Q. 8. p. 296 297 c. c 154. be true Churches for matter and forme as the Churches of Corinth Galatia Pergamus and others in the Primitive times and whether all Separatists doe not sinne in separating from us and unchurching of us contrary to the practice of Christ and his Apostles VVhether our Ministers bee true Ministers or Antichristian Q. 9. p. 315 316 c. and whether their Ordination and calling bee lawfull to particular Congregations Qu. 10. p. 322.323 c. Whether our Churches be rightly constituted in respect of a formall union of members and rightly ordered for discipline admission unto or suspending from the Lords Supper and whether some failings in discipline can make our Churches to be no true churches of Christ but Antichristian and to be separated from and whether our Church reforming be as a house pulled down and no church untill it be builded up againe Classis 22. Qu. 1 332 c. HOw all these graces of knowledge Faith Repentance and Love are to bee enlivened and particularly our knowledge of God with particular helpes and directions herein Classis 23. Qu. 1. p. 341 c. HOw a man or woman may waite on Christ to enliven this knowledge of themselves of Christ and of the Sacraments and how they may waite on Christ to enliven their Faith their Repentance and their charity that they may come more comfortably to the Lords Table Classis 24 25. VVHat are the foure immediate preparatory graces to bee quickened Qu. 1. p. 357 c. and acted before we draw neer to the Sacrament sorowfull humblenesse sacred hunger heavenly joyfulnesse and covenant renewing How men or women may know whether they have life of grace Qu. 2. p. 363 364 c. and be Gods children or not with divers particular examples of the manner of converting of men and women to God and speciall comforts to doubting Christians with a direction how to live by faith Classis 26. VVHerefore God suffers doubtings to be in his children Qu. 1. p. 385 c. with helps to keepe from dispaire comforts against decay in grace and directions to live by faith untill Christ bring out of darkenesse and bring light of comfort to a poor fearfull soule Classis 27 28. Qu. 1. p. 408 c. VVHat are the present acting graces Sacramentall actions and operations or exercises both of bodily and spirituall senses in the time of celebration of the Lords Supper for refreshing of our soules at the Lords Table Classis 29. Qu. 1. p. 450 c. VVHat graces are to be exercised imediately after receiving before wee depart and how wee should goe home rejoycing and feast with sweete Meditations of Christ and the Sacrament every night when we go to bed and Morning when we awake with the rich graces and benefits are sealed and wee may finde in a dayly communion with Christ in our soules Q. 2. p. 456 c What those subsequent graces are to be exercised and practized for or in the manifestating of our thankefulnesse in the whole course of our lives particularly the Root Grace of Love manifested in our obedience First in believing what is to be believed according to the Word of God and ancient Creeds agreeing to and with the Scriptures Classis 30. THe manifestation of our love and our obedience in walking Qu. 1. p. 472 c. and the Ten Commandements held forth as a light from â—hrist to leade us unto Christ and a directory for our comfortable walking with Christ in the whole course of our lives in particular the explication of the first Commandement The 2 Section of the 30 Classis VVHat is the second Commandement with the explication of it Qu. 1. p. 493 c. and in the use a light from Christ How to discover all false lights and false worships in the world contrary to the light of Christ that they may be avoyded and the true light followed The 3 Section of the 30 Classis WHat the Third Commandement is with the duties required Q. 1. p. 534 c. and sinne forbidden and the use of it as a light from Christ to lead unto Christ both as a justifyer and sanctifyer that we may walke comfortably with Christ in our lives The 31 Classis Qu. 1. p. 545 c. VVHat the fourth Commandement is with the explication of it and how it is a light from Christ to lead us unto Christ as a justifyer and sanctifyer with the benefit and end of the Commandement for the comfort of Christs church The 32 Classis Q. 2. p. 575 VVHat are the Commandements of the second Table and in particular the first Commandement with the duties commanded and the sinnes forbidden as they concerne superiours and inferiours in generall both in respect of commutative and distributive justice The 33 Classis Q. 1. p. 597. c. WHat are the particular duties of superiours and inferiours according to their severall Relations first in the oeconomicall or household estate of Husbands and Wives Parents and children Masters and servants with directions how to get strength to performe them Secondly in the state Ecclesiasticall Ministers and People page 634. c. and in particular whether Ministers have any maintenance due to them in the New Testament by Ordinance of Christ Page 639. c. or are to live onely of almes and charity of the people And what the office of Rulers and Elders is in the church Page 632. Thirdly in the State politicall the duties of Magistrates and people Page 654 c. with light from Christ to leade to Christ in the use and practice of them The 33 Classis 2 Section WHat are the sixt last Commandemens in their Order with the sinns forbidden and duties commanded Q. 1. p. 657 c. with light from Christ to direct the children of God not to rest in any duties or performances of duties but on Christ for justification and yet to glorifie God in and for and by every grace given to us in Christ Jesus Whether a bare forme or saying of prayer be sufficient Q. 2. p. 679 c. in what manner we ought to pray and praiâ—â— God with directions how to attaine the gift of Prayer 〈◊〉 helpe of Christs Spirit Page 681. c. and an example of a man who could not Read yet learned to pray for the comfort of himselfe and encouragement of others Quest
lost but rather to live by Faith Gen. 17. that as God is their God so he is the God of their Seed and can save them as well without Baptism as with Baptism Quest 26. But what ground have you for this your Faith I have ground sufficient out of the Word of God For first it cannot but be a sin against Christian charity to judge all those children of Patriarks and people of God before the birth of Christ who died before the eight day of circumcision to be damned or be sent to Limbo for that want of circumcision which by the Law of God they might not have until the eight day Secondly Gen. 17.12 or to think all those who dyed in the wildernesse in the forty years uncircumcised to perish when as there was a kinde of necessity by occasion of their often removing that they could not have circumcision until they came to Canaan Thirdly Iosh 5.2 c. or to think the same of children of Christian Parents who died before the Feasts of Passeover and Pentecost at which times Baptism was then used in the Church Fourthly or to think of the Believing Repenting Theef upon the Crosse Ioh. 3.5 4. 7. that he was damned for want of Baptism If these had the Baptism of the Spirit the living vertue of that water of life that was a seal of their entrance into Gods Kingdom though they wanted the outward Baptism of water Quest 27. What conclusion do you make from all this Ans Therefore I conclude of these or such like children or others as Ambrose did of Valentinian the Emperour who coming to be Baptized died by the way Ambrose lib. de vita Valentinian they are Baptized voto though not facto in will and desire though not in fact in respect of outward Baptism yet they may partake of the inward Baptism And so Christian Parents need not to be tormented with grief for want of Baptism in private when God is pleased to deny publike 1 Thes 4. but be comforted and not to sorrow as those that have no hope for their children they hope are asleep in Christ Qu. 28. I will touch but one Quaere more Hath not Infant Baptism been very much abused in the Church And if so Is it not better to take it away as the Brazen Serpent was by which means the abuses may be sure to be Reformed which otherwise can very difficultly be Reformed many grosse abuses being so rooted in the hearts and mindes of ignorant men yea of multitudes of men and women in the world Ans It cannot be denied but that Infant Baptism hath been most grosly abused by erroneous opinions and practises in the Church yea almost even from the beginning that we read of it in Ecclesiastical Writers as that it conferred grace that it was necessary to Salvation that without Baptism Infants were at least in danger to perish that outward Baptism did make an Infant a Christian soul and having Baptism it was made a member of Christ and the childe of God and certainly saved though the Parents were unbelievers Pagans or Infidels or as bad These erroneous abuses and divers others not only in Popery and Popish Churches at this day but even in England amongst multitudes of superstitious formal and ignorant people both in the city and countrey as we may finde by sad experience witnessed by many Arguments of wilful ignorance or much weaknesse at least and much to be pitied and lamented and prayers put up to God it may be amended Besides the multitude who rest in this outward Ordinance of Baptism in their Infancy as Paul did before his Converson in outward Iewish priviledges and in special that he was circumcised the eight day Phil. 3.6 7 8. all which he accounted nothing but losse for Christ when God once opened his eyes to see his folly of trusting to these outward priviledges of being circumcised or partaking of the Passeover or any thing but to Christ himself and his Righteousnesse multitudes now trusting to this That they were Baptized made Christian souls in Infancy and have been housholded and received Sacrament at least once a year at Easter or it may be every moneth although they did never make profession of Faith or partake of inward Baptism Regeneration or new Birth Iohn 3.3 5. without which a man cannot enter into the Kingdom of God Secondly although they were never brought to see their extreme need of Christ or carryed out of themselves and all self-confidence or trust to outward Ordinances and common priviledges of Baptism the Lords-Supper form of Godlinesse Religious duty or the like all which a man or woman may partake of Luk. 13.24 and never have any dram of that true Grace which accompanieth salvation or be admitted entrance into the Kingdom of Glory Thus far certainly and worse it may be hath Infant Baptism been abused in the Church Neverthelesse if Infant Baptism be judged lawful by vertue of that Institution of a seal of the Covenant by Christ to believing Abraham not of the corporal or câ—rnal part of the Covenant the promise of the Land of Canaan to Abrahams Posterity But also the spiritual part to believing Abraham and his children and to Believers and their children as children of Believers as a seal of the Righteousnesse of Faith or by any other ground or Argument held forth already or to be held forth by any the Servants of Christ Then I conceive the abuse of Baptism doth not take away the lawful use But if the Apostle approve circumcision of the Iewish children Acts 21.21 and Paul circumcised Timothy Acts 16.3 because he would not offend the Iews although circumcision was to be abolished Ahd if after he had Preached that if they were circumcised Christ profited them nothing Gal. 5.2 as he did to the Galatians yet if a Iew should have been converted to the faith and the year before his conversion had a childe received circumcision as his priviledge and the next year after his conversion to Christianity have had a childe which might not have been circumcised because abolished and troubled that his childe might not be Baptized nor have any outward badge of difference from the childe of an Infidel because as Adversaries to Poedobaptism aver there 's no Ordinance of Christ for Infant Baptism I conceive Saint Paul would have Baptized the Iews childe to take off the offence as well as circumcised Timothy before since no direct command of Christ appears to the contrary And so though Infant Baptism could be proved fit to be left as circumcision was abolished yet till men were enlightned it might be continued as circumcision and much more now be practised in the Church since it cannot be proved to be forbidden or abolished And thus you have the substance for Infant Baptism moderately Quest 29. Now to conclude What may all this teach us which you have set forth concerning Childrens or Infants
in the Apostles or in the primitive times after where can be found any approbation of kneeling at Sacrament untill after that grosse idolatrous errour of Transubstantiation of the Bread into the carnal body of Christ was pressed by Pope Nicholas and confirmed in that wicked counsel of Constance and when as eleva son Bowing to Bread aboue 1220 â—s in D retal G eg lib. 3. and adoration of the Bread was required by Pope Honorius the third but about four hundred and twenty yeers since Thirdly consider that if the Br zen Serpent set up by Gods own appointment Num. 21.9 might be taken away and broken in peeces because it was abused to idolatry as you may read it was 2 Kings 18 4. much more may the gesture of kneeling be changed which hath been and still is so much abused by the Papâ—st in adoration of the Bread in that idolatrous sacrifice of the Mâ—sse Col. 2.2.23 a will worship forbidden in the second Commandmenâ— And too much esteemed by â—gnorant persons who are too too superstitious in this respect And also by some tender consciences who conceive not rightly of the nature of gestures in this Holy Ordinance kneeling hâ—ving been most abused to adoration and wil-worship Quest 6. I think indeed since it hath been and is so much abused to adoration of Bread or Bread worship it may be changed and I am convinced it is dangerous if not sinful But yet me thinks I cannot receive the Sacrament sitting with that reverence and humility as I should do kneeling and therefore since I conceive I might lawfully receive kneeling not to adore the Bread but to declare my reverence to Christ and my humility I had much rather kneel then sit Ans I will not say but some well instructed and rightly informed and beleeving Christians might in former times lawfully receive the Sacrament kneeling the rather when the Directory of the Church was not against it but for it as it was in the Church of England Secondly yet notwithstanding I should desire you to consider that true reverence and humility doth not consist in the outward bodily gesture of kneeling but in the inward spiritual reverence and humility of the heart Ioh 4.24 and 5.63 A man or woman may kneel at the Sacrament and yet neither receive with true reverence not humility as many unprepared ignorant people most zealous for kneeling have done God requireth the heart as Prov. 23.26 And a truely humbled contrite spirit God will not despise but dwel with and Christ will meet in his Ordinance the humble minded soul Psa 51.17 Isai 57.15 16 17 18. Matth. 18.20 and 11.28 29. Thirdly I pray consider that a true beleeving man or woman that comes with the wedding Garment and when Christs invites sits at the Lords Table may receive and do's receive the blessed Sacrament both with great humility and reverence Mat. 26.20.21 Cant. 5.1 and the rather when he or she being sensible of his or her own unworthinesse considers how kindly the Lord Christ invites and bids him or her welcome at his blessâ—d Table Quest 7. But what better ground is there for sitting Ans First Consider that sitting at the Feast of the Lord is the most proper Table gesture and the most agreeable in this respect to the example of Christ Luke 22.21 Secondly Acts 2.46 47. and 20.7 8. 1 Cor. 10 16 c. and 11.20 21 22 23. That the Apostles and Disciples or Christ with the Saints in the Primitive times did receive the Sacrament at their Feasts of Charity in a Table gesture as Feasting with Christ as well as one with another And for the Sacrament it self it is called the Lords Table and a Table gesture is most convenient 1 Cor 14.26 â—0 Thirdly that this table gesture if any edification may be in gestures it may hold forth First our union and communion at this Feast of Grace 1 Cor. 10.16 Luk. 22.30 Secondly our union and communion with Chrâ—st at his Table in the Kingdom of Glory Therefore sitting at the Lords Table being allowed and warranted by the example of Christ and of the Apostles and Primitive Church and by the example of other reformed Churches and agreeable to the Apostles rules of order and edification It must needs be both lawful and comfortable for one that comes rightly prepared with Faith Humility Reverence and other necessary graces rightly enlivened to receive the holy Sacrament sitting at the Lords Table Quest 8. I am in a comfortable manner satisfied in the gesture of sitting yet I have one doubt more me thinks it was better in the old Directory when the Minister of Christ did give the Bread and the Wine to every Communicant in particular with a particular prayer and application as the body of our Lord Jesas that was given for thee c. and take and eat c. rather then only to present it in general to the whole Table by the Minister and every one to take and eat of the Bread out of the dish or cup wherein it s broken and take and drink of the cup from of the Table as it is now used Ans For Answer of this doubt First consider that we do not read in the Scripture that our Saviour Christ did give the Bread and that Wine to every one of the Apostles in particular Search the Scriptures and where can you finde any such expression in any of the Evangelists or Apostles cleerly Read in particular Mat. 26.26 he â—ook it and broke it and gave it to his Disciples he doth not say he gave it to every one in particular or to Peter or Iames or Iohn in particular but to them in general Mat. 26.27 for the cup he gave to them saying drink ye all of this not take you in particular or drink you in particular but take ye all and drink ye all of it And read Luk. 22.17 Take this cup and devide it amongst yourselves which whether we respect the Passeover or the Sacrament it declareth it as most agreeable to Christs order to receive the Sacrament as given from the Minister to all in general at the Table as it was given from Christ to all in general and not into every ones hand in particular as was lately done in the old Directory Not take thou and eat thou but take ye and eat ye and take and drink ye all of this Mat. 26.26 27. Clemens Alexand. strom 1. Pag. 2. Thus about 220 yeers after Christ the manner was when they had divided the Eucharist every one of the people did take his part Secondly again there may be too much superstition put into this manner of receiving in particular from the hand of the the Minister as formerly hath been when the people durst not touch the Bread with their hands but the Priest put it in their mouths for fear they should defile the Lords body And such Communicants I my self have met with who reached out their mouths instead
in the Primitive times truly believers and converted to Christ before they were baptized 1 Cor. 12.13 Rom. 8.11 and indeed all the Saints in the world make but one body or Church of Christ quickened by Christs spirit to life eternal This godly Mr. Perkins excellently sets forth by a similitude which I shall expresse in this order Mr. Perkins on the creed Suppose a man as high as heaven his legs standing one in Asia the other in America his hands spred out one over Europe the other over Africa his toes and fingers in England France Germany and other parts of the world many hundred miles distant asunder and all quickened by one and the same soul This distance of place doth not hinder the union of every part of the body to the head and of each part to the fellow members or the truth of any part in particular There is and may be a sweet union and communion of one part with another though far distant in places and Countries Kingdoms Cities and Common wealths where they live and a truth of each part though not all beautiful alike one excelling in graces above another In the same manner the Head of the mystical Body and Church of Christ is now in heaven the Lord Christ himself our Lord and Saviour and some of his members in heaven with him and some in earth and of these some part in England some in Scotland some in Germany some in divers other Kingdoms Nations Provinces Cities Parishes and Congregations of men in several places of the world many hundred ye thousand miles some parts distant from the other and the spirit of God is as it were the soul of this body which giveth spiritual life unto all the members and all united by this one and the same spirit by whom we are all baptizâ—d into one body as we noted before And so first you see how the Church may be said to be Catholike or Universal as it comprehendeth all the members of the body scattered in divers Countries Secondly how it is and may be called national as it is a company called of God to believe repent and professe subjection to the Faith and Gospel-holinesse living and preserved in England Scotland or other Nations Thirdly how it was or might be called a Church provincial in the Province or Countrey of Galatia in the Cities of Ephesus Corinth Geneva London or other Cities and Provinces greater or lesse whatsoever Lastly how the same Church of Christ is and may be called particular or congregational as it relates to persons called professing Faith and holinesse admitted to Church communion and united together in a holy profession and participation of Word Sacraments and other ordinances of Christ Iesus in one parochial or congregational Assembly all as particular true members of the Catholike or Universal Church of Christ Quest 17. What or how manifold is that outward corporal or visible entrance into the visible Church of Christ and fellowship of the Saints Ans As the inward entrance is but one in substance Eph. 1.5 2 Tim. 1.9 1 Cor. 6.11 Ioh. 10.7 Ioh. 14.6 and thus in and by Christ we are elected and chosen of God the Father but it is in and by Christ and so we are inwardly called and justified and sanctified but it is in and by the same spirit of Christ The Lord Christ is the onely way and door of entrance into the Church Millitant and Church triumphant and so likewise there is but one outward entrance and admission into the Church of Christ for the substance and principal matter of it and this was by way of Covenant and seal of the Covenant as an Ordinance of Christ although there have been divers manners and wayes in the practise of the Churches and amongst the Saints of the most High yet all I conceive by a charitable and Christian construction may be referred to and for substance ageee with the Ordinance and institution of Christ Quest 18. What is or was the first of these wayes of admission and entrance into the Church or Church-fellowship and communion of Saints before Christ coming in our humane nature Ans To omit former times and what was the practise of the Church then and Gods Ordinance the footsteps thereof not being easily to be found I look upon that Ordinance and Institution of Christ with Abraham and the practise of the Church in Abrahams family and Generation Rom. 4.16 17. Abraham being in some respect the Father of the Faithful and the Church in his house a Type if I may so call it of the Church of Christ since the coming of Christ and of the household of Faith Quest 19. Gen. 17.2 3 c. Isai 56.6 7. Num. 15. Exo. 12.48 Gen. 17. What was the Institution of Christ and Direction to Abraham for admission and entrance into the Church Ans This Ordinance of Christ to Abraham was by way of Covenant between God and Abraham and Abrahams Seed the Faithful or beleevers and compleated by a signe and seal of this Covenant in Abraham and his children and all that should come in to be of Abrahams family and so members of the Church and to their children at eight dayes old as to Isaac and all Abrahams posterity This signe and seal was Circumcision as we may reade Gen. 17. Quest 20. But howsoever there was and might be a Covenant between God and Abraham and so between men of ripe yeers and the Lord mutually Yet how could there be a Covenant between God and Abrahams young children or the children of other beleevers when they were circumcised Whereas they were but eight dayes old and Circumcision in the ordinary way to be deferred no longer And how were these admitted into the Church by Covenant and Circumcision the signe and seal of the Covenant of Grace between God and Abraham Ans First The Covenant or Promise on Gods part or by the Lord was with Abraham himself and in and with Abraham to and with the children and beleeving posterity of Abraham And all Proselytes whom the Lord should convert and draw in to beleeve and to be of Abrahams Family or of the Church by Faith and Profession manifested by submitting unto and accepting of Circumcision Gen. 17. that signe and seal of the Covenant appointed by the Lord to Abraham and to and for Abrahams posterity and all such converted Proselytes and their children whatsoever Secondly As on Abrahams part Gen. 12. Gen. 17. Rom. 4.11 the Covenant was mutually made with God by himself in taking the Lord for his God as he had done before by beleeving the Promise That in him that is in his Seed Christ should all the nations of the Earth be blessed renewed here again as expressed more fully in and by acceptance of and submitting unto circumcision the signe and seal of the Covenant of Grace and of the righteousnesse of Faith in Christ the Messiah to come and so by men of ripe years Proselytes converted to
if Christ do not un-Church for this fault nor for personal corruptions of particular members then what say you of those particular persons men or women who will and do not onely Separate from but un-Church those Churches and Congregations where they cannot deny but the Gospel hath been comfortably preached and Sacraments administred so as they have been converted conceived in the Womb born again and received Isai 66. suck from the Brests of consolation for nourishment of the life of Grace in them Matth. 18.20 in which Churches they have often met Christ in his Ordinances of the Word and Sacraments in prayers and praises to their comfort And yet now for particular failings it may be for want of full power in the Congregation to exercise Reformation as they desire do brand the Churches and Congregations of Christ with the name of Antichrists Synagogues and the faithful painful Ministers of Christ Baals Priests Lims of Antichrist no true but false and counterfeit Churches and not Ministers of Christ indeed as they judge but of Antichrist himself Ans Truely howsoever some weak Christians may be seduced by deceivers and led into this errour yet it appears divers of these spirits have either none or but little of Christ or true Christianity in them for a man to call his mother whore it would be very uncivil and unchristian although she be sick and weak and faln into divers noysome diseases it is his duty rather to seek first to God and secondly to the Physitians and use all good means for the recovery of her health not separate from and leave her to death and desolation without respect Simile Is it a Christian course when two or three are sick or faln lame in a Family to forsake the house without taking care or affording help and assistance for recovery of a brother sister or fellow servants How will the father or master of the family take this certainly if a murderer must be destroyed when the great King Christ shall come to judgement These that kill in not endeavouring to save life shall not escape unpunished except in time God open their eyes and in and by Christ Acts 5.32 give them repentance let such then repent and return and assist in Reformation not go on in Separation from the Church Quest 31. But what if men be forbidden by Law and men of power to use those means which might by Gods blessing reform such corrupted persons or heal such sick Congregations Ans Howsoever any new course of Discipline or that great censure of excommunication may be forbidden by some acts except they be repelled and so in some course directed by authority of Parliament yet no Law forbids brotherly and neighbourly Exhortations Admonitions Reprehensions Counsels Instructions out of Gods Word Prayers and Supplications and such like and all these should be used for Reformation and not fall to a rash and offensive Separation to grieve the souls of weak Brethren and harden wicked men which it may be by good means and Gods blessing might be reformed and reclaimed as I have shewed in former Classes of this Diologue But God giveth us good hope of authority sufficient in a Christian humble way to reform our Congregations and if some blemishes be not reformed yet a Church may be a true Church if it hold forth the substantial and necessary truth of the Gospel and professed subjection thereunto though many failings and corruptions be botn in particular members and the Church in general 1 Cor. 5. Gal. 1. Revel 2. Revel 3. witnesse the Churches of Corinth of Galatia Ephesus Pergamos Sardis and Philadelphia and many other ancient and modern Churches of Iesus Christ and yet esteemed true Churches as the Church of England Scotland France Bohemia Belgia Geneva the Churches of Holland yea the Churches of London and our particular Congregations though they be too full of corruptions may and ought to be esteemed true Churches at least where true Saints are joyned together in the enjoyment of Ordinances although in mixed Congregations Quest 35. You have given me good satisfaction thus far what is a true visible Church of Christ or the matter of a Church and who are visible Members and of the houshold of faith to and with whom we may exercise our Christian love and charity But how can Infant-children of beleevers baptized in their infancy which can neither professe the Faith of Christ or their Faith in Christ nor shew any subjection to the Gospâ—l agree to your description of a visible Church or how and when and in what manner can these be accounted Members of the visible Church of Christ Ans This is the next manner of admission to Church-membership to be held forth unto you to shew who are Saints and of the houshold of Faith and who is our neighbour and fellow Saint to and with whom I ought to exercise this Christian love and charity even children according to their capacity as well as men of riper yeers Quest 33. But how or in what manner have children of beleevers been admitted and esteemed or reputed members of the visible Church Ans How the children of faithful Abraham and professors of Faith were admitted in the Old Testament Gen. 17. First in infancy to the Sacrament of Circumcision and after to the Sacrament of the Passeover Exod. 12. especially when they were come to yeers of discretion so far as to be able to enquire of their parents the reason of that service Neh. 10. And so to covenant solemnly with God when they were of knowledge and understanding I have shewed before Now for children of beleevers in the New Testament there are two things to be considered First their admission unto Baptism as the children of Abraham in the Old Testament were to Circumcision in infancy and so they were used to be admitted to a true Infant-membership of and in the Church and were and are to be reputed as true visible Infant-members of and in the Church of Christ and visible Infant-saints in judgement of charity Mark 10. and such as of which is the Kingdom of God as our Saviour speaks And this is a true and compleat admission in respect of truth to outward membership though I cannot call it a compleat and perfect membership in respect of perfect visibility and declarative subjection to the faith and profession of the Gospel which they are to declare themselves when they come to yeers of discretion as before in part I observed Quest 34. What reason is for this Ans The cause of those four particulars in Baptism we declared in the example of the Eunuchs baptizing 1. A desire of Baptism 2. A profession of Faith in Christ and subjection unto it 3. An intimation of Covenant and an embracing of Christ and Faith and Covenant union with Christ the head of his Church and in him with members of his mystical body 4. And last of all the receiving of the seal as a patient and
though they were in the Church and taken as members until they were discovered and tryed and proved and cast out yet they were not true members of the Church nor true members of Christ nor any true members of the Congregation but in shew and outward appearance They were amongst the Saints but they were not of the Saints as John speaks They were and are indeed of the world they went out from us 1 Ioh. 2.18 19. but they were not of us but they went out from us that it might be known they were not all of us they were with and in the Church and yet they were not truly of the Church And howsoever this corruption was yet the Church did still remain a true Church and had many true Saints in Corinth although it had rotten and corrupt members which by right course and execution of Discipline should have have been cast out the Church And thus for the Saints sake though the Church of Corinth had false member and corrupt members and many Errors both in life and Doctrine yet the Apostle doth not un-Church the Church of Corinth or give way to a Schism or Separation for all this As a tree is a true tree although it have some rotten Branches Simile Or as a sick or wounded man is a true man although he be sick or wounded So a Church of Christ may be a true Church although it be sick and weak and wounded and full of imperfections both in matter and form as the Church of Corinth and other Churches of Christ have been and yet esteemed by Christ and his Apostles to be true Churches of Christ as the Scripture hold forth evidently unto us Now compare the Church of England or the Churches of Christ in England collectively though they be mixed Congregations yea divers of our Congregations in London and in the countrey where faithful and painful Ministers have been Preaching Baptizing Catechizing calling to profession of Faith and holinesse and approbation before the Admission to the Lords Supper where there hath been and is a communion of Saints as I know there hath been in divers places and mixed Congregations compare I say these with the Church of Corinth and by the same Argument that these Seducers may or can Separate or un-Church our Churches by the same the Saints or some of the Saints in Corinth might have separated from their fellow Saints and Church of Corinth which yet would have been a sin in them as it is a sin in these who separate and labour to seduce and draw others amongst us to separate from their fellow-Saints and to un-Church or make rents and Schisms and divisions in our Church which is a grievous sin against the Lord Christ the Lord and Head of his Body the Church Quest 38. But some will object It may be that there is not the same condition of our Church of London or any great mixt Congregation amongst us in respect of the matter as there was of Corinth For in Corinth it is most like that the greater part of the Church were Saints indeed or visible Saints in outward appearance at least But in our mixt Congregations commonly the greatest part visible ignorant prophane or scandalous persons or but civilly honest and formal professors at best and so are not to be compared to the Church of Corinth no not so much as for the matter of our Church Ans First Certainly men ought to be very careful as not to un-Church a Church so not to un-Christian a Professor for some failings in knowledge or practice 1 Cor. 13. 1 Pet. 4.8 Charity covers many failings and as the Apostle speaks Secondly Corinth was a great city wd Church and yet consider the divisions and other faults it is not certain which was the greater part the innocent or the faulty But howsoever grant that the Church were so decayed that that the greater part had onely a name to live and indeed were dead Rev. 3 1 2. as is spoken of the Angel or Church of Sardis Or that the greater part of the Church were grown Luke-warm Rev. 3.15 16. and such as Christ threatens to spew out of his mouth as the Church or Angel of Laodicea yet it may be a true Church of Christ for all this A Bushel of good Wheat in a Barn amongst three or four or more Bushels of chaff is yet a true Bushel of Wheat though it be mixed with much more chaff then Wheat Or an Army of men although consisting of more sick and wounded Souldiers and Officers then whole is yet a true Army though weak And so is a company of Professors of the Gospel of Christ enjoying a communion in Ordinances holding the truth of Christ and professing subjection thereunto Yet a true Church when the greater part be the worse yea both ignorant and scandalous but yet a sick Church and stands in need of the Reformation And thus is the Church of England and our great mixt Congregations true Churches for matter of a Church of Christ as the Church of Corinth was and not to be separated from or un-Churched for these coruuptions as Corinth was not whatsoever any seducers in this respect oppose to the contrary Quest 39. But howsoever this may prove our Churches as true as Corinth was for matter yet the Adversaries of our Church deny our Churches to be true Churches in Form And how will you Answer this Objection Ans I Answer the Form of a Church doth consist in union This union is two fold first internal with Christ our Head Eph. 1.22 23. 1 Cor. 12.13 Eph. 4.1 2 3. by the spirit and Faith The second is external of members one with another Now to understand this better and to declare that our Churches are true visible Churches of Christ in respect of outward Form Consider First the outward Form or union in respect of admission into a Church membership Secondly the outward Form of Ordination of Ministers and appointment of them for a Church and union with them Thirdly the outward Form in possession and profession of union with them in outward ordinances As First in the Word or Gospel Secondly in prayers Thirdly in the Sacraments Fourthly observe the outward Form of union in government and execution of Discipline in the Church I will not stand to handle these at large but touch them in brief First for outward Form of union in respect of admission into a Church we have shewed how men of ripe years Iews or Pagans converted to the Faith were admitted first after they had heard the Gospel and believed either with a false Faith as Simon Magus or with a true Faith as the Eunuch they did desire a union and admission into the Church by Baptism Secondly did make profession of their Faith Thirdly did intimate in this desire of Baptism and profession of Faith their receiving of Christ to be their Lord and Saviour and their Covenanting with the Lord to be his people And Fourthly
they were not true Ministers of the Gospel because ordained by a Bishop and a company of Presbyters according to the ancient practise of the Church Secondly I say the Ministers of Christ have had a twofold vocation or calling to that office Acts 20.18 18. and 13.1 2 3. 1 T t .4.14 First extraordinary by Christ Himself as the Apostle and Saint Paul had And Secondly more ordinarily by the Apostles and Elders of the Church and by the laying on of the hands of the Presbytery as the Scripture held forth unto us as Paul left Titus Tit. 1.3 4. Act. 20 2â— Bishop Titus or overseer Titus as Saint Paul calleth the Bishops or Elders of Ephesus far different from our late Bishops or overseers in many respects the manner commonly by laying on of hands of Presbyters and a Bishop or overseer not as a Bishop of later stamp but as a Presbyter and overseer of old have Ministers of Christ been ordained and after ordination sent and received of particular Churches And howsoever some corruptions have crept into the manner of Ordination and although some ordained Presbyters have turned Popes and Popish Bishops and some Popish Bishops with a company of Presbyters have examined approved and ordained Ministers and given outward Ordination and Authority to preach the Gospel yet this cannot nullifie the call of a Minister of Christ if he be called and gifted inwardly and inabled by Christs spirit with gifts fit for the ministerial office as all the outward calling and approbation by a particular Congregation maketh not an illiterate cobler or other mechanick to be a true Minister of Christ when Christ hath not furnished him with gifts and graces fit for so high and honourable a calling Thirdly We who are Ministers of Christ receive not our calling from Antichrist but from Christ and our Ordination for substance is truly Christian not Antichristian Howsoever some Antichristianly affected might sometimes have had a hand in Ordination the Gospel of Christ hath been conveyed to Reformed Churches yea to separate congregations themselves to such as separate themselves from Babylon it may be by the hands and means of Romish Babylon God hath made the servants of Antichrist to be his servants in this that they have been porters and carriers to bring the holy Scriptures unto the Reformed Churches by the hands of glorious Reformers in the Churches of Christ and yet the Scriptures are the true Word of God and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ for all this And so are our Ministers true Ministers of Christ though their outward Ordination had been carried through the polluted hands of some Antichristianly affected Bishops and Presbyters who did sit in place as Scribes and Pharisees did sit in Moses chair But we say further Mat. 23.1 2 3. as God did extraordinarily call and gifted the Apostles and Ministers in the Primitive times and they ordained others in the Church whose Ministery the Lord did blesse for the propagation of the Gospel So did the Lord wonderfully stir up and in an extraordinary manner call Luther Calvin and others in the Reformed Churches And so Reverend Bishop Cranmer Ridley Latimer and other godly Martyrs Bishops and Ministers of Christ by whose hand their successors the faithful Ministers in the Churches of Christ in England received their outward ordination but their inward from Christ himself and his spirit by whose grace the Lord hath made our Ministery glorious in the conversion of many thousand souls to God and building up of as glorious Saints as any ever was in the Christian world since the Primitive times yea even the Separatists themselves 1 Cor. 4 15. who now deny us to be the true Ministers of Jesus Christ must needs confesse that we have been their spiritual Fathers in Christ and have begotten them again to God through the Gospel yea Gal. 4.19 we as tender Mothers have travelled in birth again in our painful Ministery until Christ hath been formed in them all though now in a most ingrateful manner they dishonour their parents and sin against Christ the Lord of his Church Quest 43. This I suppose is sufficient to satisfie any humbled soul not filled too much with pride self-conceit and the spirit of division and separation as too many are in these dayes But yet some object That howsoever Ministers outward approbation and ordination may be passed over and they be lawful Ministers yet what lawful call have they to particular Congregations and places Ans I answer Patrons of Churches and congregations were and have been honoured and trusted with the nomination and presentation of Ministers to particular Churches but so as none ought to have been put upon any congregation but such as ought to have been well approved of by the Bishop who had a trust reposed in him also for sufficiency and ability for the work of the Ministery and for holinesse of life and and conversation which when and where the trust was rightly performed and the Ministers have been faithful labourers in the Lords harvest and after admission approved of by the faithful and godly party in a Parochial Congregation certainly there was a call sufficient and a sufficient union and form of union between Pastor and people to make up in this respect a true Church of Christ Secondly Howsoever this trust both in Patrons and Bishops hath been most grosly abused by corrupt Simoniacal Patrons most unconscionably seeking to thrust wicked Ministers they cared not whom upon the people and carelesse Bishops neglecting that trust reposed in them yet the failings herein was not enough to un-church a Church where yet the Gospel hath been preached and Sacraments administred for substance according to the institution of Christ though here as in Corinth Galatia and Jerusalem many faults might be found to stand in need of Reformation And howsoever no face of a Church might for a time appear 1 Kin. i9 14 Ier. 3.15 as in Jerusalem for a time yet God in many places have given Pastors after his own heart to feed his people with knowledge and understanding and where the Candlestick hath been removed for a time or at least a Candle shut up as in a dark lanthorn God at prayers of his people hath removed a carelesse shepherd and in his due time restored comfort in a faithful Minister to his people and so still continued and preserved the Churches of Christ amongst us yea both for matter and form sufficient to constitute a Church howsoever there hath been some failings in both Quest 44. You have in some measure cleared this Objection Yet how are our Churches rightly constituted in respect of a formal union of members one with another Ans I conceive there is a twofold union First a civil union as in division of Kingdoms Provinces Cities or Parishes And as God hath in this providence united men in habitation and course Act. 17.26 and means of livelyhood God having determined the times before appointed
7.51 Prov. 20.25 Malac. 3.8 9. or resist or revile or discontent the Ministers of Jesus Chrst in or about their Ministeriall office or any other unlawful wayes is a sin Fifthly to take away or keepe back from them any part of that honorable maintenance or countenance which is due unto them by the Ordinance of the Lord Jesus 1 Thess 5.17 Galat. 6.6 7. is sacriledge a robbing and mocking of God and an odious sinne and more particularly what is approved of by the lawfull Magistrate Iohn 15.20 21. Iohn 16.1 2 3. Acts 9.25 2 Cor. 11.32.33 Luke 11.49 50. Acts. 8.2 3 Acts 9.4 5 Luk. 19.27 2 Sam 6.7 Sixthly to persecute betray or not to defend and preserve the Ministers of Jesus Christ by all lawfull and good meanes in their lives goods good names and especially in and for the execution of their Ministeriall office is a sinne and the property and marke of wicked men whom Christ will one day take for his enemies who refuse to have him to rule over them Seventhly for any to intrude themselves into the office of Christs Ministers 2 Chron. 26.19 20. or to usurpe a Ministeriall office in the Church of Christ for which he hath no call from Christ nor ground or title from the Word of God Heb. 5.4 is certainly a sin an odious sin against Christ Jesus Quest 34. You have revealed by Scripture and light from Christ in the Scripture what are the duties required and the sinneâ— forbidden both of Christs Ministers anâ— of the people over whom the holy Ghost hatâ— made them overseers and in particulaâ— how the people ought to receive reverence and countenance their Ministers Pastors and Teachers and give them that honorable maintenance which is due to Gods Ministers by Divine right and according to the Ordinances of the Lord Christ But is there any promise of blessing or any such encouragement to those who do thus receive honour and pay freely that honorable Maintenance that is due to God for his service and to Gods Ministers for their labour and service according to the Oâ—dinance of Christ Ans Yea verily the Scripture holdeth forth diverse promises to this effect Prov. 3.9.10 as that in the Proverbs Honour the Lord with thy substance and with the first fruits of all thy increase so shall thy Barnes be filled with plenty and thy Presses shall burst out with new Wine thou shalt be sure if thou honour God in his service or faithfull servants 1 Sam. 2.30 God will honour thee yea the Lord biddeth his people to trie and prove him if they would bring in the maintenance of his Ministery and service as they ought Malac. 3.10 11. if he would not open the Windowes of Heaven and powre a blessing upon them and he would blesse and not curse their increase and Christ saith hee Mat. 10.40 41. that receiveth his Disciples and Ministers receiveth him and they that receive a Prophet in the Name of a Prophet shall receive a Prophets reward so that there is great encouragement for Saints and all Gods people to perform their duties herein Quest 35. Is there any thinke you that love the Lord Iesus that will not love and honour his faithfull Ministers and willingly give them all respect due to them by the Ordinance of Christ Ans Certainly all men have not faith and some are unreasonable and wicked men 2 Thess 3.2 who love not Christ nor his Ministers I have heard divers Ministers complaine Gens 47.22.26 2 Chron. 36.16 17. that in some parts they have beene used far worse then the Egyptians used their Priests they finde no favour but have been subject to divers abuses which was a fearfull sinne that once brought a forraigne enemy upon Gods owne people But now we hope better things that as the Lord hath honoured those who are in high places so he will honour them with one grace more to take care that there may be faithfull and honorable Ministers placed in every congregation in the Kingdome 1 Tim. 5.71 and that they may have an honorable maintenance duly payd them according to the Ordinance of Christ 1 Cor. 9.14 Quest 36. I have received good satisfaction for the duties of Ministers Pastors and Teachers in the church of Christ and the peoples duties unto them both in respect of reverence and maintenance But what is your judgement I pray you hath Christ appointed no government in his Church and so no governours who as Fathers are to be honoured and who are to be as Rulers in the Church for right ordâ—â—ing of Christs discipline for Gods glory and the good of his Church what light from Christ to direct in this Ans Yes certainly as the Scripture holdeth forth the Lord Christ himselfe to be the chiefe Lord and Governour Isaia 2.6 7 Mich. 5.2 Mat. 2.6 yea the King of his Church and the Governement to be upon his shoulder so when the Lord Christ ascended up into Heaven and led captivity captive and gave gifts unto men as hee gave some to be Apostles and some Prophets some Pastors and Teachers Eph. 4 11 12. c. 1 Tim. 5.17 Rom. 12.8 for the perfecting of the Saints for the worke of the Ministery for the edifying of the body of Christ so hee hath given Elders 1 Cor. 12.28 Acts 6.1 2 3. Rom. 12.7 Rulers and Governments or helpes in Government as Overseers Deacons Ministers and Officers for the good of the Church of Christ Quest 37. But who are these Elders and Officers that are to have government in the Church Ans First it is evident in Scripture that the same men who are called in Scripture Presbyters Acts 20.17 28. or Elders and Rulers they are called Overseers or Bishops and Pastors 1 Tim. 5.17 such as must labour in the word and Doctrine and not only take heede to all the flocke over which the holy Ghost hath made them overseers Titus 1.5 6 7 8 9. But feede the Church of God which hee hath purchased with his own blood Acts 29.28 So that it is evident that the same men who are Pastors and Teachers have authority from Christ to be Elders 1 Pet. 5.2 3 4. and Rulers in the Church although they are not to lord it over Gods heritage but to be ensamples to the flock as St. Seter holdeth forth the light of Christ unto the Church Quest 38. Are there no other Elders or Ruling Officers in the Church but Pastors and Teachers and such as labour publikely in Preaching and so in the word and doctrin Ans Divers learned men do affirme from that place of the Apostle to Timothy Aretius Piscâ—tor Beza in 1 Tim. 5.17 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1 Cor. 12.28 Heb. 13.17 24. The Church of Gâ—neva The Chu ch of Scotland And Holland Frâ—nce Nâ—w England and nâ—w England the Elders that Rule well are worthy of double honour especially those that labour in Word and