with his owne interpretation p. 106. of this book where he taketh it for that vniversall congregation of Gods elect which is spoken of Ephes 1. 22. and 5. 25. 6. As for those places which he saith doe definitely signify a Church congregated into a Synode or Congregation though by the line which is drawne in his table they seeme to belong to the Church of a nation yet I guesse they should have bene referred rather to the Church of a citie or country adjoyning And if so then although he leave it doubtfull whether it were a set or vncerteyne congregation yet he plainely acknowledgeth that by these places Act. 14. 27. 1. Cor. 11. 18. 14. 23. is meant the Church of a citie and country adjoyning gathered into one congregation and then he forgetteth himselfe in construing those words otherwise pag. 104. 105. following Yea though a contradiction in the Doct. he should now carrie those places as the line draweth them to the Churches of an whole nation yet can he not escape the blame of an apparant contradiction in his understanding of Act. 14. 27 both places of his book compared besides a grosse oversight in making the Church spoken of Act. 11. 26. 1. Cor. 11. 18. c. to be farre more large then the church mentioned 1. Cor. 1. 2. Act. 13. 1. And 7. touching the places which he taketh to signifie indefinitely any company of Christians c. it is strange he should not see as definite a limitation of the place and nation or province in Act. 9. 31. 15. 41. 1. Thes 2. 14. as there is in the places forealleaged for the Churches of a nation Rom. 16. 4. 2. Cor. 8. 1. Gal. 1. 2. 22. And no lesse strange that he which could discerne a church definitely deciphered Act. 14. 27. 1. Cor. 14. 19. 34. 2. Cor. 8. 23. 1. Tim. 5. 16. 3. Ioh. 6. should not discerne asmuch in Act. 15. 3. 4. 18. 22. 1. Cor. 4. 17. 2. Cor. 8. 19. 1. Tim. 3. 5. 3. Ioh. 9. 10. And 8. lastly since he referreth the word Churches Apoc. 2. 7. to the same signification that he given unto it ca. 1 4 11 20. viz. definitely to the church of a citie and countrie adjoyning how is it that so soon after he understandeth the same the like Apoc. 2. 7. 17. 23 29. c. indefinitely of any company a contradiction in the Doct. of Christians not defining the place or societie whether of nation or citie c And yet as if he had a dispensation to define what the Holy Ghost hath not defined hereafter he will tell us pag. 57. that by Churches in the conclusion of each epistle Apoc. 2. 7. 17. c. we may very well understand the particular Churches which were under the charge of every angell to whom the epistles are directed Thus much to his significations of the word Church froÌ„ which Sect. 2. to the Doct. 3. sect pag 6. 6. being so manifold as he saith he proceedeth to shew what is truely properly a Church upon earth And first he saith that by warrant of the word every company of men professing the faith of Christ is both truely a church also a true church But it is more then he can prove as shall appeare in the examination of some particulars following He addeth that as the whole company of the faithfull upon earth is the true Church and spouse of Christ so also the company of Christians professing the true faith of Christ in any nation or part of the world is to be termed by the name of a Church The former I may grant him but touching the later I must ask what he meaneth by this phrase is to be termed doth it imply a necessity or onely a liberty and conveniency If the first what reason hath he to debarre us from reteyning the phrase of speach which himselfe confesseth in the former page to be usuall in the new Testament namely to call the Christians of an whole nation Churches in the plurall number If the later whence hath he his warrant since he hath not in all his table any one place which giveth the name of a Church in the singular number to the faithfull of an whole nation save onely that of Act. 7. 38. which is spoken of the Iewish people whiles they were one congregation not yet divided into severall Synagogues or Church-assemblies vnder the guidance of Moses and Aaron in the wildernes But he argueth a pâ—ri in this manner The whole people of the Iewes profissing the true religioÌ„ were one Church though conteyning very many particular coÌ„gregations or Synagogues which were also so many Churches Even so the whole people of The D. reasoneth inconsequeÌ„tly from the Church of the Lewes to the Churches of the gentiles England professing through Gods mercie the true Catholike and Apostolike faith is to be called the Church of England The consequence hereof might be denied for why should the forme and constitution of the Iewish Church vnder the law be a more fit patterne for us to follow then that form of Church-constitution which was established vnder the Gospell for the Christians of all nations both Iewes Grecians Is there not more strength in this coÌ„sequence The Christians of an whole nation are every where in the new Testament called Churches no where by the name of a Church in the singular number as Churches of Asia Macedonia Galatia Iudea Galile and Samaria 1. Cor. 16. 1. 19. 2. Cor. 8. 1. Gal. 1. 2. 22. 1. Thes 2. 14. Act. 9. 31. Ergo the Christians which at this day professe the faith of Christ in England are rather to be termed the Churches then the Church of England especially seing the number of Churches or congregations is farre greater in all likelihood then the number of families was in any one nation in the Apostles times Notwithstanding if the Doctor can as he assaieth paralell the people of England with the Iewish nation in that which properly made theÌ„ as some think one church he might take more libertie to include them al vnder the name of the church of England To effect this vnto that which some alleadge viz. that the Church of the Iewes was one because it was vnder one high-Preist who was a figure and therefore ceased the Doctor frameth a double answer 1. It is evident saith he that it was one Church because it was one people or coÌ„mon wealth ruled by the same lawes professing the same religion both before there was one high-Preist and after there were through corruption more then one 2. Neyther was the high-Preist a type of Christ in respect of his preheminence and government over the Preists people but in respect of his sacrifice intercession for the whole people c. To the first I reply as followeth 1. It is evident that the Christian Iewes in Iudea were one people or coÌ„moÌ„ wealth ruled by the same lawes
drawne by him to justify that jurisdiction of Bishops for which he pleadeth Who seeth not that these his highnes wordes do evidently shewe that he giveth no other jurisdiction to Bishops over Presbyters by apostolicall institution then vnto Archbishops over Bishops and to Patriarches over Archbishops And the same is not any sole power of rule but for order sake such a principallity as three of the Apostles had over the rest and Peter had above the eleven as is further to be observed out of page 48. where we may easily discerne that it cannot be the Kings meaning to give vnto Peter such jurisdictiō over the Apostles as our Bishops have over Presbyters nor yet to clippe the wings of his own supremacie which he must needs doe if that superiority of order which he giveth to Patriaches above Archbishops shall drawe with it that power of rule which our Archbishops and Bishops have and exercise in their Courts Thus much may suffice to free the Refuter from the third vntruth falsely fathered on him by the Doct. The rest of his speaches may well be passed over as impertinent for however he sayth he herein cōmeth to the point yet as he therin toucheth not the point in question so he discovereth his owne vnsaying what he sayd before in his sermon touching the perpetuity of the episcopal function The D. vnsaieth in his Def. what he said in his sermon And were it fitt to followe him in his wandring frō the point in hand it were no hard matter to shewe that himselfe and others of his side have their hands cheife in the trespasse which he closely chargeth his Refut and the men of his side with For none in the Land have set their tongues penns so earnestly to abridge Kings and Princes of that libertie his Majesty speaketh of then the favourers of the episcopall government now in question To let passe Archbishop Whitgifte in his Defence against T. C. page 171. and 181. and wishing the Reader onely to compare it with T. C. secōd Reply part 1. page 227. and 614. with diverse moe observe we what one M. D. Dove saith in his defence of Church-government The Church must be ordered saith he page 3. according to the precepts and examples of holy writt Bishops saith he p. 34. ought to be Lordes and ecclesiasticall persons ought to vse civil authority quoniam ab initio fuit sic from Adam to Moses it was so frō Moses to Christ and the Apostles it was so with thē it was so frō thē hath so continued vntil this time excepting onely the times of persecutiō c. which he thus salveth a litle after where he saith Our question is not what was then of fact but what ought to have bene of right But as for this Doctor it may be the Doctor will say litle more then that he mought have bene wiser What defence trowe we will he make for that his reverend father that gave him so good satisfaction concerning the episcopall function who discovereth his judgement by the title of his booke The perpetuall goverment of Christs Church And if we advisedly weigh what he affirmeth in the treatise it selfe page 3. lin 9 -12 and compare togither p. 106. lin 32. c. page 2 3. lin 12. with page 245. lin 4. 9. 247. lin 32-35 we may easily discern that he placeth a maine necessity in the reteyning of the episcopall function Yea and so doth the D. also as his words already sett downe doe shewe Neither can he with all his shifting avoid the force of the objection which from those wordes his Refuter inforceth as shal be shewed more at large in a place more fit for the purpose For the present I onely wish the reader to observe that how ever he seemeth to assent vnto the Kings speach which his refuter mentioneth himselfe setteth downe yet for feare of offending his good Lords the Bishops and Archbishops he dareth not openly professe the outward forme of ecclesiasticall regiment to be lefte to the libertie of Princes and Cōmon wealthes as the King affirmeth viz. that they may prescribe to their subjects what seemeth vnto them fittest to to agree with the civil government And yet in a matter of farre lesse moment to witt the maintenance of our Clergie by tithes and other temporalities he feareth not to taxe the King and the Lawes of our land underhand and by consequence of sacriledge in alienating deteyning from the Clergie the tithes or any thing else once dedicated to holy vses See his sermon of the dignitie and dutie of the Ministers page 82. But whither am I run in this digression I come now to the fourth notorious vntruth wherewith the Sect. 3. and Ref. pag. 5. D. pag. 9. 10. Refuter is charged by the Doct. because he saith that the doctrine of his sermon is contrary to the doctrine of the Church of England professed even by the Bishops themselves till of late dayes when as men weary to hold any longer in capite of the K. they began to change their tenure into soccage and disired to be free even from Knightes service For proofe of some part whereof he referreth the reader in his margin to Bishop Iewels defence of the Apologie and Archbishop Whitgift against Mr Cartw. See we now how the D. proveth a notorious vntruth in them First The D. to colour his 4. slander addeth to the Refu◠wordes besides his meaninge he addeth these words of his owne to them Therefore vtterly false and so maketh an Enthimeme of them as if the Ref should holde all for true that the Church of Engl holdeth concerning the government of the Church and the contrary therevnto for false Whereas the Refuter neyther so saith nor meaneth Might the D. be this once asked what he meant by adding that his last sentence and making an enthymeme of this last speach of the Refuter not of any the rest Was he at a nonplus that he must needs make himself work quite besides the point in question yea besides the refuters words and meaninge Wherefore to let passe the work he hath upon that his Enthimeme made to himself in his next page beginning at his Lastly I wil touch upon the point which the D. here calleth the Antecedent viz. that the doctrine of his sermon is contrary to the doctrine of the Church of England professed by the Bishops He telleth vs he giveth no credite to it though Bishop Iewell and Archbishop Whit. be cited at random But will his not giving creditt to it prove it to be a notorious vntruth I trowe not by that tyme we have heard thē speak Are they cited at randō their bookes are named and divers of their testimonies not unknowne to the D if he had but read his ref answere pag. 34. 124. let us heare them speak againe And first of Archb. Whitg concerning the Elders in question I knowe saith he answ to the admon p.
maketh it to saye that by the scriptures of God a Bishop and a Preist are all one or knoweth he how farr and vnto whom he reacheth the name of an heretike verely Chrisostom saith * in 1. Tim. Hom. 11. ad Evagrium quaest vet et novi testā q. 101 de dignitat sacerdotali Betwene a Bishop and a preist in a manner there is no difference S. Ierom saith somewhat in rougher sort I here saie there is one become so peevishe that he setteth Deacons before Preists that is to saie before Bishops whereas the Apostles plainely teacheth us that Preists and Bishops be all one St. Austin saith what is a Bishop but the first Preist that is to say the highest Preist So saith Saint Ambrose there is but one consecration of Preist and Bishop for both of them are Preists but the Bishop is the first All these and other mo◠holy Fathers togither with Saint Paul the Apostle for thus saying by Mr. Hardinges advise musts be holden for Haeretikes And in his reply to him article 4. page 309. having shewed what primacie or headship Ierom gave to Peter viz that to avoid confusion which lightly happeneth in all companies where no order is Christ appointed Peter for that he was the eldest man to speake and deale for the rest as cheefe and heade of all his brethren he addeth these wordes which order also was afterwards vniversally taken throughout the world that in every congregation of Preists one should have a special preheminence above others and be called Episcopus Bishop This was thought a good politick way to avoid conteution in the Church By all which it appeareth that this worthy IEWELL was perswaded 1. That the preheminence of Bishops above other Ministers was first brought in by humane policie and not by any divine ordinance in the holy scriptures 2. that the preheminence of Bishops in the first originall and establishment thereof was onely a preheminence such as Peter had above the rest of his fellow Apostles which was at the most of order onely and not of any superiour cōmanding power jurisdictiō And 3. that in the primitive Ch other Elders besides Ministers of the word had an hand in the governmēt of the Church Thus we see the judgement of these two Bishops cited by Sect. 4. Ref. pag. 5. D. pag. 9. 10. the Refuter nowe let the reader judge whether he hath uttered a notorious vntruth in saying the Doctors sermon is contrary to the doctrine of the Church of England professed by the Bishops or rather whether the Doctor hath not malliciously The D. slandereth malliciously slaundered him in so charging him I saye malicious and if his conscience be spurred the quaestion from the abundance whereof his pen wrote it will subscribe to it For knewe he not all this to be true in the Bishops bookes quoted by the Refuter in his Margin Yea are not divers partes of these testimonies expressed in the Refuters answere page 34. and 124 Did he not reade them there And hath he not slipped them over with such a slubber that if he be not farre spent he cannot laye them and his answere to them togither without the blushredd-colour Well but the Doctor is none of them that will be madd without reason he therefore giveth vs a reason why he doth not credite his Refuter For sayth he the doctrine of our Church appeareth best by the articles and confession of our Church Which reason is without reason and argueth the man not so wel advised as he mought be when he appealeth to the cōfession of our Church collected out of the Apologie thereof written as himselfe sayth by Bishop Iewel from the Apologie it selfe and Authors owne exposition and defence of it Is it likely think ye that other men should vnderstand him better then himselfe doth eyther in the Apologie or defence of it especially being authorized to write it by our Church and it allowed yea cōmanded to be in all our Churches But let vs examine his allegations apart The first is the booke of Articles and what doth that The 36. article thereof approveth saith he the booke of consecrating Bishops Preists and Deacons And what then that booke saith he in the Preface thereof saith that from the Apostles times there have bene those orders of Ministers Bishops Preists and Deacons in Christs Church and that God by his spirit appointed them in his Church Is not this a sweet proof mark it well The articles approve the booke and the preface of that booke saith that those three orders have bene in the Church from the Apostles times c. Therefore the booke of articles and consequently the doctrine of the church of England approveth the function of Bishops and their superiority above Preists to be of divine ordinance As if 1. what soever is sayd in the preface before the booke which in all likelihood was done by one or two onely and not by so generall a consent as the booke it selfe must needs be allowed for the currant doctrine of the Church of England in that age because the 36. article in our booke of articles doth for some purpose approve the booke of consecrating Bishops c. as conteyning in it all things necessary to such consecration But 2. doth that preface say that those 3. orders were in the Apostles times no but from the Apostles times exclusively which words do◠not prove they were in the Apostles times but the contrary as the refuter hath shewed out of Chamier de Pontif Oecum in his answere page 87. in the like phrase of Ierom to Evagrius saying that from Mark the Evangelist unto Heraclas c. one of the Presbyters were chosen from amongst the rest set over the rest c. But 3. it seemeth they meant otherwise by the last clause which the D. citeth that God by his spirit appointed them in his Church But the reader must know that that sentence is none of theirs nor to be found in that preface it hath pleased the D. ex abundanti to add that clause of his owne head and cleane contrary to their meaning that made that book at least for as we have heard cap. 3 before going they held the superiority of Bishops The D. addeth one sentence to his testimony and detracteth another from it to be a politick devise of man and not the ordinance of God Let us goe forwards with the Doct he addeth that the Bishop is required to correct and punish according to such authority as he hath by Gods word Here 1. I charge the D as before with the adding of one sentence so here with the detracting of another whiles he deceitfully cōcealeth part of the words For the booke requireth the Bishop to correct and punish c. according to such authority as he hath by Gods word and the ordinance of this realme which later clause of the lawes of this realme they would never have added had they thought that the power
He hath courage enough to do the one but it seemeth he wanteth that grace that should doe the other And touching the proofes when he saith he cannot yeeld to all would not a man think he did allowe of some and yet snarleth at every one But if a man should ask him for his best proofes that he can pâ—oduce to justify that which he acknowledgeth scz that the most of the Churches in Pauls time did not exceed the proportion of a populous congregation could he finde think ye in the Apostolicall writings any more pregnant allegations to countenance his assertion then such as the Refuter hath produced Well let us give him the hearing in his exceptions First in the scriptures alleadged he takâ—th occasion from the date of them being before the yeare 55. or 60 to weaken his argumentation for it soundeth in his eares as is he had sayd If before the yeare 55. or 60 they were but The D. is â—pilanthanominâ—s cautouÌ„ one congregation then they were no more untâ—ll the yeare 200. See how soon the Doctor forgetteth himselfe for his owne pen testifyeth lin 1. 2. of this very page 104 that both the maine argument and the proofes thereof doe speak of the Apostles time And can any matter questioned concerning the state of any Church or Churches in the Apostles time be proved from the scripture otherwise then by those testimonies that their writings affoard He that can argue at his pleasure from the condition of the 7. Churches in S. Iohns time see his defense for this lib. 2. pa. 45. and 47. and lib. 3. pag. 21. to conclude all other Churches to be such as they were for the first 200 yeares and from the stare of the Churches that flourished in the third or fourth age after Christ to prove that the Churches Bishops established by the Apostles were of the same constitution doth he not shew himselfe an egregious wrangler when he wil not admit the testimony of S. Paul and S. Luke to be sufficient for the time of the Apostles because S. Iohn lived 40. yeares or more after the date of their writings especially when no alteration can be proved by any other evidence as himselfe confesseth pag. 101. lin 21. But perhaps he hath exceptions of more weight against the particulars For touching the church of Corinth he saith the thing that is testifyed for it 1. Cor. 11. 18. 20. 33. is such as might be written to the Church of England False and absurd can it be affirmed of all the people professing the gospell in England that they come or for their number may come togither en te ecclesia epitoauto in one Church or into one place to eat the Lords supper but the words of the Apostle vers 18. 20. 33. doe by consequence imply that the faithfull which then were members of the Church in Corinth to whom he writeth came togither in one church assembly and into one place or at least for their number might in dutie ought so to assemble togither to eate the Lords supper Compare the tenour of the Apostles words sunerchomenoon humoon c. v. 18. 20. with the like phrase of speach 1. Cor. 5. 4. sunachthentoon humoon c. Math. 22. 34. 41. and 27. 17. Act. 20. 7. 8. 25. 17. 28. 17. sunegmenoon vel sunelthontoon c. and it will appeare that a concurse into one place for one worke is imported by the very word sunerchomai though it had no other wordes annexed to inforce that construction Neyther can any one instance be given where it noteth such a distribution into many severall societies as must be implied in it if it should be applyed to the Church of England which cannot possibly be gathered into one place for the celebration of the Lordes supper But why doth the Doctor bury in silence that other testimony 1. Cor. 14. 23. c. Ean oun sunâ—lthe he ecclesia holee epi to auto What did he skip because he could not spell Doubtlesse his owne conscience told him the simplest of his readers would have discerned that he had spoken against coÌ„mon sense if he should haue sayd that the like might be affirmed of the Church of England viz. that the whole church coÌ„meth togither into one place And yet he was loth to acknowledge that those words evidently approve the Ref assertion touching the Church of Corinthe viz. that their number was no more then such as ordinarily assembled for the worship of God into one place Secondly whereas he saith that what is testifyed for the church Sect. 6. ad pag. 105. of Ephesus Act. 20. 28. might be applyed by a Bishop in his visitation to all the Ministers of a Diocâ—se What else is it but a direct contradiction of that truth which himseffe hath already approved pag. 75. A flat contradiction in the D. viz. that those Presbyters attendâ—d one flock in common that is coÌ„muni coÌ„cilso et mutuâ— auxilio and were not assioned to severall parishes or parts of the flock For how can that speach which importeth a coÌ„mon charge given to many Presbyters over one flock or congregation not yet distinguished into severall parts or members fitly be applyed without any change in the meaning of the words to a multitude of Ministers which have every one their particular flock or portioÌ„ of people committed to his peculiar oversight If the Doct. shall eyther here or in the for his defense that these speaches may be fitly applyed though in a differing sense to such purpose as he affirmeth it may be replyed that if he confesse the sense to be differing he discovereth his answer to be deceitfull but it is false and absurd if the construction of the words be one the same As for that which he addeth touching the word flock that it may be extended to a nationall provinciall or diocesan Church what meaneth he still to presume that his bare word will be taken for currant payment I confesse it is sometimes put for the vniversall Church as Iohn 10. 16. but he can alleadge no place in all the Apostolical writings where it is given to any visible church that comprized in her circuite many distinct congregations Wherefore he can with no shew of reason contradict his Refuter in affirming it to be a new conceite void of reason to imagine that the church of Ephesus was a Diocesan flock consisting of many congregations Moreover how can we in the interpretation of the scripture admit any word whose signification is questioned to be extended vnto a thing which at that time had none existeÌ„ce in rerum natura or how can he affirm without contradiction to the truth elswhere acknowledged that the Church of Ephesus was a nationall or provinciall Church for provinciall Churches grew up by the combinatioÌ„ of many Dioceses vnder one Metropolitan Bishop as himselfe affirmeth lib. 3. pag. 21 but as yet Ephesus had no Bishop at all if that be true which
was upon the scope of the Doctors sermon so is the D. eye vpon the scope of the Ref. preface the former I suppose looking right forwards the later quite awrie For what can an eye not evilly affected see in that preface that should charge the Refuter in the scope therof like an Orator in his proeme to drawe and withdraw his reader as he sayth from the D. to the Ref. if he would be ledd by shews when without any oratoricall shewes at all he plainly declareth the reason that moved him to answer the sermon 2. Where the refuters whole preface is but as a prologue the D. divideth it into a prologue and an epilogue as if one should divide a Lions head into the head of a Lion and the taile of a Lion But if it were not all a prologue yet to divide an entire speach into a prologue an epilogue without any protasis or epitasis coÌ„ming betweene is as if one should divide a mans body into head and feete As for his nice division and subdivision folowing I mind not to trouble the reader with them 3. Where the refuter professeth that he deemed the D. sermon as needful to be answered as any book written of that subject The D. first premiseth a scoffe which I here passe by then by way of analysing maketh his refuter to tell his reader how there weee two motives that moved him to vndertake it Strong opinion and vnquiet desire which is in deed to torture and not to analize words His strong opinion was that he deemed it as needful to be answered as any book c. which as the D. telleth us though the refuter confirmeth with divers reasons yet they are such as he that shal compare them either with the truth or his opinion or one of them with another he shall see a pleasant representatioÌ„ of the Matachinâ— every one fighting with another he shall see that is to say if he hath the D. spectacles on But first his logick faileth him for a man that looketh with his right eye may easily discerne that the ref brought but one onely reason for that his opinion the other reason or reasons as it pleaseth the D. to number them for it seemeth he had on those spectacles that maketh a man to see gemmae obiecta geminos soles doe but prove the consequent of that reason 2. as for the Matachine fight I perswade my self it will upon due examinatioÌ„ of particulars prove onely but some spectrum arising out of that strong imagination which many times maketh any thing seeme to be what the fantastick desireth it should be The Refuwordes in which the Doctor seeth these marveils are to this effect That when he saw how his sermon tended directly to prove that the calling of our Lord Bishops as they now exercise it in the Church of England is not onely lawful and good but to be holden jure divino not as an humane ordinance their ancient and wonted tenure but by divine right as the very immediate ordinance of Christ he demed it as needful to be answered as any book of that subject c. For that notwithstanding the D. commendation of it it is evident the doctrine thereof is utterly false very huriful and obnoxious and therfore necessary to be confuted Would not any man think him driven to goe nere the wind that rayseth up such tragedies and logicall clatterings upon these words or cannot he trow we see farr into a milstone that can see a matachine fight in them Well let us see how the D. proveth it ¶ The Refuters first reason sayth he is because he sawe the Sect. 2 0. 2. of the D. 3. of the ref sermon tended directly to prove that the calling of our Lord Bishops as they now exercise it c. The first reason Nay it is the onely reason why he deemed the book so needfull to be answered what saith the D. to it In which sayth he there were divers untruthes But whosoever with an indifferent eare shall enterteyne the answer following may I doubt not easily discerne that this saying of the D. is an â—njust slaunder that he himself hath delivered diverse untruthes The D. first â—andereth his Ref then delivereth divers untruths to colour it to colour it Let the reader now heare what the one and the other hath to say and give upright sentence First sayth he with what eye did he see that directly proclaymed in the sermon which directly and expresslly I did disclaime pag. 92. where I prosissed that although I held the calling of the Bishops c. to be an apostolicat and so a divine ordinance yet that I doe not mainteyn it to be divine jurâ—â— as intehding therby that it is generally perpetually immutably necessary as though there could not be a true Church without it which himself also acknowledgeth pag. 92. of his book With what eye did he see it even with the same eye that was upon the truth Let the Doctor deale plainly and answere to the point directly Is it an untruth in the ref to say that his sermoÌ„ tendeth directly to prove that the calling of our Bishops is to be holden jure divino by divine right and not as an humane ordinance by Godâ— lawe Why then dooth he not directly contradict this assertioÌ„ and say that his sermon tendeth ro prove that their calling is to be holden jure humano by humane right and not as a divine ordinance Or if they hold their calling by another right which is neither humanum nor divinum jus why is he ashamed plainly to professe what it is hath he preached a whole sermon in defence of their honourable function published foure books in defence of his sermon and yet dareth not directly proclaime quo jure they hold their superiority But let us touch a litle some points of his sermon and of his defence therof Was not the callings of these 7. angels of which the text speaketh of divine right and doth he not affirme pag 2 and profess plainly to prove that the reverent fathers of our Church for the substance of their calling were such 2. Are not the true proper Pastors of the Church the lights and starres of the Church of divine right and doth he not pag. 3. 93 affirme our Diocesan Bishops to be such their calling therfore that honourable function of theirs must eyther be of divine right or the Churches of God themselves are not of divine right 3. Doth he not in divers places of his seÌ„rmon call it an apostolicall ordinance affirme it to be from heaven from God alledging divers scriptures for the proof therof 4. Yea is not the doctrine which he rayseth from his text in the explicatioÌ„ and applicatioÌ„ wherof his whole sermon is spent set dovvn by himself pag 94 in these very words sc that the episcopall function is of apostolical divine institutioÌ„ And doth he not def lib. 1. cap. 3. pa.
Pastors Teachers the Deacons into treasurers for the poore and those which are Presbyters or Elders viz. Orderers or moderators of discipline Nicholaus Laurentius a late Superintendent in Denmark in his treatise of excommunication published Anno 1610. hath these asserrions That the right of excommunication is not in the power of any one man eyther Bishop or Pastor but in the power of the Pastors that company which Paul calleth the Presbyterie p. 62. That excoÌ„municatioÌ„ is eyther of the whole Church meaning the people or of certayn grave meÌ„ which are in stead of the whole Church so that the Pastor doe publikely in the name of the whole Church pronounce the sentence p. 64 That where there is no such Senate or Presbyterie except the Magistrate shall otherwise decree and provide the Pastor choose two or three godly and discreet men of his parish and the Superintendent and two of the Pastors in that Province wherein he dwelleth and bring the matter before them all c. ibid Many moe might be brought for this purpose if it were fitting for this place but these are enough to justify the refuters assertion and to shewe the Doct. weaknes in so overreaching as to charge that unjustly vpon his refuter which he himself is justly guilty of Chap. 3. Wherein the Refuter is freed from the first of foure other notorious untruthes charged upon him by the Doctor Sect. 1. pag. 4. of the ref and pag of the D. 4. 5. In the D. next section he chargeth his refuter to add to his former overreaching foure notorious vntruthes concerning our owne land because he said his doctrine was against 1. the doctrine of our Martyrs 2. contrarie to the profissed judgement of all our worthy wryters 3. contrariant to the lawes of our land 4. contrarying the doctrine of the Church of England A foul fault if true and no great credit for the D if not his refut in his sayings but himself in so saying hath vttered 4. notorious vntruthes let us therefore examine them and in this chapter the first of them The refuters words out of which the D. would extract the first of them are these that the Do. sermon is against the doctrine of our immediate forefathers some of whome were worthy Martyrs who in their submission to King Henry the 8. at the abolishing the Popes authority out of England acknowledge with subscription that the disparity of Ministers and Lordly primacie of Bishops was but a politick devise of the fathers not any ordinance of Christ and that the government by the Minister and Seniors or Elders in every parish was the ancient discipline These be his words for his proofe he referreth us to three bookes the booke of Martyrs the booke called the Bishops booke and the booke called Reformatio legum ecclesiasticarum Consider we now how the D. convinceth this to be a notorious vntruth The witnesses saith he which the Ref. queteth were Archbishop Cranmer and other Bishops allowing the episcopall function both in iudgement and practise it is almost incredible that any testimonies can from them be soundly alledged against the same Incâ—edible in deed if they had been cast into the mould in which our nowe Bishops have been formed otherwise it is credible enongh that they may as I stil affirme that they doe testifye something against such a calling of Bishops as the D. mainteyneth and yet hold the function practise thereof lawfull Was it never heard of that some of our later Bishops that worthy Iewel and others allowed the episcopall function both in judgement and practise yet denied the tenure thereof to be jure divino which is the point in quaestion though the D. here would not see it And why may not they allowe of the Lordly primacie of Bishops jure bumano disclayme it jure divino aswell as allowe them to exercise civill authority and yet disclaime it as being lawful iure divino as may appeare they did in the places cited But 2. the D. goeth on and as if he had already said enough to prove his refuter to be as unconscionable as may be saith that he wondreth greatly at his large conscience in this behalf who throughout the book taketh wonderful liberty in citing authours alleadging as their testimonies his owne conceits which he brought not from their writings but to them A heavie charge if true but here it the comfort that upon due examination it wil be found to prove otherwise It is no newe thing that they who are themselves the most egregious wresters of testimonies should be the readiest as the D. here is to laye the charge on others Let us novv trie out the whole in the particulars First concerning the testimony taken from the booke of Martyrs and the Bishops booke or booke intituled The institution of a Christian man the Doctor telleth us that he hath perused it and findeth nothing at all concerning the superiority of of Bishops over other Ministers that which is said concerneth the superiority of Bishops among themselves all whom with the ancient fathers I confesse sayth he in respect of the power of order to be equal as were the Apostles whose successors they are If it be but so as the Doct. here coÌ„fesseth they say enough to shewe and he hath subscribed it that the function of Archbishops is jure humano But if he had perused with purpose to find out what is there to be found he mought easily The D. caâ—â—â—niâ—â—eth have found full as much as the Refuter citeth it for For it speaketh not of Bishops severed from other Preists and Preachers but promiscuously of all Bishops Preists Preists and Preachers as appeareth by diverse passages of that part of the book there sett downe to witt the chap of the Sacrament of orders amongst which consider we 1. that there should be continually in the Church militant ministers or officers to have speciall power vnder Christ to preach the word administer the Sacramentes ioose and binde by excommunication and order consecrate others in the same roome and office whereto they be called that their power was limited and office ordeyned of God Ephes 4 coÌ„mitted and given by Christ his Apostles to certeyn persons onely viz. Preists and Bishops That albeit the holy-Fathers of the Church succeeding did institute inferior orders and degrees c. yet the truth is that in the new Testament there is no mencion made of any degrees or distinction in orders but onely of Deacons or Ministers That the power and authority belonging to Preists and Bishops is of 2. parts potestas ordinis and potestas iurisdictionis to the first wherof alwayes good consent hath bene about the second some disagrement and therefore they think it meet that the Bishops and preachers instruct the people that the iurisdiction committed to Preists and Bishops by authority of Gods lawe consisteth in three speciall points 1. in admonition excommunication and absolution 2. in approving and admitting
Kings of England Doth he not pa. 13. affirme from the Statute of the Parliament held at Carliel 25. Edw. 1. that the holy Church of England was founded in the stare of Prelacie by the King and his progenitors And that in the time of Edw. the third it was often resolved 17. cap. 23. that the K. might exempt any person from the jurisdiction of the Ordinarie and graunt him episcopal jurisdiction fol. 9 edit 1606 that in 1. Hen. 4. the Archbishops Bishops of this Realme are called the K. spirituall Indges And to conclude doth he not afterwards conclude that though the proceedings and progresse of the ecclesiastical Courts run in the Bishops name yet both their courts lawes whereby they proceed are the Kings Verily if by our lawes their function and jurisdiction were holden to be of divine ordinance he neyther could nor would have said so But heare we the Doctor speake againe he telleth vs that the authority which the Bishops exercise in the high Comission is not exercised by them as they are Bishops but as they are high cōmissioners and his reason for it is for that others that are no Bishops have the same Wherein he dealeth as decitfully The. D. dealeth deceiptfully as before For 1. he will not I suppose avouch that the ecclesiastical jurisdiction which the Bishops there exercise of suspending excōmunicating depriving c. is exercised as Commissioners and not as Bishops and Archbishops or that others their Assistants in that Cōmission that are neyther Archbishops Bishops nor Ministers of the word can without them exercise those Censures In deed in that the high Cōmissioners convent men from all parts out of all Dioceses in the Land and proceed against them by imprisonments impositions of fines c. it is done by power of the high cōmission but for all ecclesiasticall Censures what doe they which every Archbishop within his Province and Bishop within his Diocese may not doe yea sometimes and too often doth not without that Commission Thus we see how he hath infringed the Refuters first proofe taken from Sr Edw. Cooks testimony or report The refuter might have sent him for further proofe of that point to that Booke called an Assertion for Church polocie wherein are proofs plentifull and pregnant whereof the D. in likelihood cannot be ignorant And I might here commend vnto him other testimonies also but I hast on to other more needfull matters Let us therefore heare him what he can say to his refuters second proofe to witt the K. Majesties judgement whose words are before set downe 1. saith he It seemeth that whiles the Refut talketh of The D. slandereth his Ref. with one brearh yet against his will cleareth him with another liberty to alter at their pleasure he thinketh it left to his liberty to alter the K. words at his pleasure Might not a man this once tell him that he careth not what he saith so it may as others before him De Imperatorio nomine invidiam conflare the refuter is so farr off from changing the K. words that he did not so much as once offer to set thē downe but onely sheweth what he conceiveth to be the K. judgement by his words in the place in question the Doctor therefore here falleth up to the eares into the pitt he digged for his refuter and his fault is the greater for that he cleareth his refuter of the crime objected confirmeth him in his so judging by the Kings words which himselfe layeth downe with the next breath saying The King in deed doth say tha◠it is granted to every Christian King Prince and cōmon wealth to prescribe to their subiects that outward forme of ecclesiasticall regiment which may seem best to agree with the forme of their civill government so as they swarve not at all from the groundes of faith and true religion Let the reader judge whether the Refuter did not rightly collect what he collected from the Kings words yea or no and I wish him also to observe how the Doct. slippeth from these wordes of the King without so much as an offer to shewe wherein they are contrary to the Refuters collection or fall short of proving his assertion both which he should have done if he would have made good his charge upon the ref But we may see he durst not abide the light of the Sun which here shineth so bright as if he had not turned his back vpon it it would have marred his sight quite We must therefore here leave the Doct. or follow him flying from the point in question for not daring to speake one word to it he appealeth to the Kings wordes elswhere sett downe Premonition p. 44 from whence if we will beleeve him he will make it appeare that the K. differeth not in judgement frō the doctrine of his sermon The Kings words are these That Bishops ought to be in the Church I ever mainteyned as an apostolik institution and so the ordinance of God c If the D. would by these the Kings words have proved the point in question he should have shewed that the function of the Bishops of the Church of England nowe exercised by them is for the substance of it mainteyned by these words of the King to be an Apostolik institution and so the ordinance of God the which if he could have done he mought have made a contradiction betwene the Kings preface his Premonition but never a whitt the more have proved that the King agreeth in judgement with the doctrine of his sermon which tendeth to prove another manner of episcopal function to be of divine institutiō then the King in these words speaketh of as the Doct. it seemeth sawe well enough when he forbore to set downe his Majesties very next words where he sheweth in what respect he ever held that episcopal function which he speaketh of to be an Apostolike institution to witt that he ever mainteyned the state of Bishops and the ecelesiasticall hierarchie for order sake Againe that he alloweth of Bishops and Church hierarchy and reverenceth the institution of rankes and degrees among Bishops Patriarchs which he knoweth were in the tyme of the primitive Church for order sake Againe that if it were now a question as once it was which of the Patriarchs should have the first place he could with all his hare yeeld it to the Bishop of Rome that he should be primus episcopus inter omnes episcopos princeps episcoporum so it be no otherwise but as Peter was princeps Apostolorum And againe affirmeth that the allowance he giveth to the hierarchy of the church is for distinction of orders for so he vnderstandeth it c. What shall we say to the Doctor did he not read these speaches of the King or did he skip them because they spell not well for his purpose It appeareth plainely by them that the other his Majesties words cited by the Doctor are without colour
161 162. that in the primitive Ch they had in every Church certeyne Seniors to whom the govermeÌ„t of the coÌ„gregatioÌ„ was coÌ„mitted but that was before there was any Chr. Pr. or Magistrate Both the names and offices of Seniors were extinguished before Ambrose his time as himself testifyeth wryting upon 1. Tim. 5. And knoweth not the Doct that the Archbishop in his defence of that his answere page 161. vpon his second thoughts three times confesseth asmuch almost in the same words I confesse sayth he that there was Seniors and I alleadged Ambrose partly for that purpose and partly to shewe that both their names and offices were exstinguished before his time And knoweth not the Doctor also that he spendeth two pages at the least 656. 658 to shewe the inconveniences that would as he conceiveth folowe vpon the reteyning of that government vnder ChristiaÌ„ Princes especially in the Church of England Secondly concerning the whole discipline or government of the Church doth he not in his answere to the AdmonitioÌ„ page 162 affirme that the diversity of time and state of the Church requireth diversity of government in the same that it cannot be governed in tyme of prosperity as it is in the time of persecution c. Doth he not in his defence page 658. 660. spend a whole Chapter tending as the title sheweth to prove that there is no one certeyne kind of government in the Church which must of necessity be perpetually observed After which discourse knitteth he not vp the matter with these 3. knotts 1. that it is well knowne how the manner and forme of government used in the Apostles times and expressed in the scriptures neyther is now nor can nor ought to be observed eyther touching the persons or the functions 2. that it is playne that any one certayne forme or kind of government perpetually to be observed is no where in scripture prescribed to the Church but the charge thereof left to the Christian Magistrate c. 3. that wee must admitt another forme nowe of governing the Church then was in the Apostles times or els we must seclude the Christian Magistrate from all authority in ecclesiasticall matters Lastly concerning the tenure of their episcopal authoritie doth he not acknowledge page 680. all jurisdiction that any Court in England hath or doth exercise be it civil or ecclesiasticall to be then executed in the Queens Maiesties name and right and to come from her as supreme Governour And speaking page 747 of the Colledge of Presbyters which Ierom calleth Senatum ecclesiae togither with the Bishop had the deciding of all controversies in doctrine or ceremonies saith he not that that kinde of government which those Churches Cathedral he meaneth had it transferred to the civil Magistrate to whom it is due and to such as by him are appointedâ— If the Doct. hath read him he knoweth all this to be true Thus much breifly for the testimony and judgment of that Archbishop the which how farre it differeth from the Doctors sermon whatsoever he sayth now by exchange in his defence and whether it casteth not the governmeÌ„t by Archbishops and Bishops out of the Apostles times let the reader comparatis comparandis judge Come we now to Bishop Iewels judgement set downe at large in his defence of the Apologie out of which the Doctor saith that Confession of the English Church was collected whose testimony I might well coÌ„mend in regard the booke out of which it is taken is commanded to be in all our Churches but that the Doctor wil againe as before cry a mountaine banck but I will barely lay it downe and let it commend it self First concerning the power of the keies he hath in his apolog chap. 7. divis 5. these words Seing one manner of word is given to all and one onely keâ—e belongeth to all we say speaking in the name of the Church of England there is but one onely power of all Ministers as concerninge openninge and shutting And in his defence of that Apology speaking of the authority of the Preist or Minister of the congregation for so he meaneth he saith parte 2. page 140. that as a Iudge togither with the Elders of the congregation he hath authority both to condemne and to absolve And page 152. that in the primitive Church eyther the whole people or the Elders of the Congregation had authoritie herein and that the direction and judgment rested evermore in the Preest And affirming that though those orders for the greatest part were now outof use yet he shewing out of Beatus Rhenanus howe they were vsed in old time saith That the excoÌ„municated person when he began first to repent came first to the Bishop and Preists as vnto the mouthes of the Church and opened to them the whole burthen of his hart by whom he was brought into the congregation to make open confession and satisfaction which done duely and humbly he was restored againe openly into the Church by laying on of the handes of the priests and Elders Againe concerning the authoritie of Bishops over other Ministers cap. 3. divis 5. page 109. he mainteyneth the testimony which in his Apologie he had alleadged out of Ierom ad Evagriu making all Bishops to be of like preheminence and preisthood against the cavills of Harding as the refuter will I doubt not against the shifts of the D. And thus he saith What S. Ierom meant hereby Erasmus a man of great learninge and judgement expoundeth thâ—â— Ierom seemeth to match all Bishops together as if they were all equally the Apostles successors And he thmketh not any Bishop to be lesse then other for that he is poorer or greater then other for that he is richer For he maketh the Bishop of Eugubium a poore towne equall with the Bishop of Rome And further he thinketh that a Bishop is no better then any Preist save that he hath authority to order Ministers Againe pag. 111. that whereas Primates had authority over other Inferior Bishops they had it by agreement and custome but neyther by Christ nor by Peter nor Paul nor by any right of Gods word And to shewe that it was not his judgment alone he produceth Ierom and Austin Ierom upon Titus 1. sayinge Lett Bishops vnderstand that they are above the Preists rather of custome then of any truth or right of Christes institution And that they ought to rule the Church altogither And that a Preist and a Bishop are all one c. Austin epist 19. saying The office of a Bishop is above the office of a Preist not by the authority of the scriptures saith Bishop Iewel in a perenthesis but after the names of honour which by the custome of the Church have now obteyned Againe chap. 9. divis 1. pag. 198. What ment Mr. Harding saith he here to come in with the difference betwixt Preists and Bishops thinketh he that Preists and Bishops holde onely by tradition or is it so horrible an heresy as he
Gods word or grounded thereon This proposition is the Doctors 2. It is to be noted that our CHVRCH acknowledgeth that though there be dâ—vers degrees of Ministers as Bishops Preists Deacous in the Church yet that one onely manner of word is given to all and one onely keye belongeth to all and that there is but one onely power of all Ministers as concerning opening and shutting This assumption is the Confession now froÌ„ hence I may be bold to make one note more with this conclusion 3. Therefore it is to be noted that wheras our Churches practise is otherwise in the government that our Bishops now exercise it is net a matter of fâ—ith conteyned in Gods word or grounded thereâ—n but onely of poliâ—iâ— and humane tradition for the power of the keyes and discipline of the Church is one onely and given to all Ministers aswell as to Bishops by the word of God And consequently the doctrine of the Doctors sermon is contrary to the doctrine of The D. hath slaundered his Refut his owne testimonies produced for advocates being judges the Church of England and consequently that the Doctor hath here slandered his refuter his owne testimonies produced for Advocates being Indges But we have not yet done the D. as a man that will have somewhat to saye if the worst come to the worst asketh that if the Bishops being now better informed concerning their functions had nowe reformed their judgements according to the holy scriptures and other writings of antiquity whether it would follow that their later thoughts which are comonly the wiser were false and worthy to be confuted I answere that it maye be asked whether he was more foolish or presumptuous in making that questioÌ„ For who is so foolish as to affirme that any mans later thoughts are false and worthy to be confuted because they are reformed according to the holy scriptures and other writings of antiquity 2. Presumeth he not that if the Bishops be now of late grown to another judgement concerning their hierarchie then the Bishops their predicessors have bene in the dayes that are past that these later are wiser then the former and have reformed their judgments according to the holy scriptures c Doth he not thereby censure the former of error and ignorance concerning the truth in this behalf howsoever as it seemeth by his former note they made it a matter of faith conteyned in Gods worde or grounded thereon I will not here question the probabilities whether the thoughts of the nowe and late Bishops or their predicessors be the wiser this without comparison I dare saye that those Bishops that made not this title of superiority authoritie over their brethren and fellowe Ministers were men both godly and learned zealous lovers of sincerity wrote as against the coÌ„mon adversarie so against the ceremonies of those times now pressed and against ignorant Ministers nonresidents pluralitans many things of like sort nowe not onely tollerated but defended also let the Doctor advance the Prelates of these dayes above them if he will I will make no comparison Thus much shall â—uffice to acquite the refuter of the false and slaunderous imâ—utations of such notorious vntruthes as the Doctor hath layd vpon him in his answere to the first reason Chap. 5. Concerning the hurt like to come to the Church by the D. sermon and namely of advantaging the Papists We are nowe to handle the D. answere to the Refuters second reason as he calleth it though it be in deed but a member of the Sect. 1. Refut pag. 5. 6. D. pag. 11. 12. former in reply wherevnto I wil be more breife touching but here and there vpon a word or two most materiall the most parte of the Doctors speach being in deed nothing but sarchasticall and by-speaches The Refuter thought his sermon the more needfull to be confuted because though it was utterly failse yet he had caried the matter so handsomly smoothly and confidently that it caried appearance of truth and therefore discerned that much hurt was like to come to the Church of God by it Herevnto to let passe the D devised divisioÌ„ of the words he answereth by charging his refuter againe to crosse contradict himselfe saying that however his refut had sayd in the former reason that it is evidently false so not dangerous yet now he saith the doctrine is so by me handsomly and likely handled that it is so farre from being evidently false that every word hath an appearance promise of truth But the fight is here betwixt the Doctor and his owne shadowe not betweene the Refuter and his speaches Not the Refuter but the D. fighteth against himself Thinges evidently false are not dangerous in deed where and to whom the evidence appeareth yet dangerous enough to them that see not or will not see the falshood of them Thinges evidently false to one may have an appearence and promise of truth to another The Apostle 2. Cor. 11 3. c. feared leaste the Corinthâ—â— were beguiled as Eve was by Satan through the false APOSTLES that transformed themselves into an ANGELL of light and tolde theire tale so handsomely smoothly and confidently that it had an appearaunce and promyse of truth to the Corinthes why else was he affraid they would be beguiled by them though they scarce uttred one word of truth themselves being the Ministers of Satan and their doctrine utterly false even the doâ—â—â—ine of Divills And if the D. here reasoneth well who seeth not that he confuteth that reverend Bishop Iewell whom his Ref. as he saith in that speach imitateth Hardings doctrine was utterly and evidently false surely and yet dangerous too or Bishop Iewell said not well and yet he carried himself so smoothlie likely and confidently that to many it had shewe and appearance of truth why else doth that reverend Bishop bestowe so much labour in confuting it I could agayn say as much concerning the Ref. answer the D. defence but we must passe on The Doctor thinketh that he told his tale so smoothly in his sermoÌ„ that he had almost perswaded his refuter to be of his mind we cannot let him to think so nor he me to think that that imagination of his hart among others was vaine It may be he is now feeding himself vpon this fancie that as his sermon had almost perswaded him so this his defense hath altogither perswaded him to be of his mind but I suppose the refut or his freind will tell him that he haâ—h an ill stomach that feedeth fatt with such winde As for the rest of his speaches to the end of that section let the reader judge of them as they deserve The Refut proveth the hurtfulnes of the Doct. sermon 1. froÌ„ Sect. 2. the advantaging of the Papists and 2. from the scandalizing of others thereby Touching the first The Papists saith he would be much advantaged thereby seing that Antichristian doctrine even after the renewing
himselfe and his family to the publike Ministerie of those whom he hath chosen to dispense the word and sacraments to him and to them he is a member of a true visible Church or if you will of one certaine parish that is to say of one particular congregation of Christians assembled togither in one place for the solemne and publique service of God 2. If the Doctor be of a contrary opinion then he reasoneth absurdly from his owne false imagination that the King is further then any Bishop from being a member of one onely parish to cōclude that they which deny the Bishop to be a member of a true Church may aswel or rather must needs be so conceited of the K. With much more probabilitie we may return this conclusion into The D. cōcludeth against himself and bringeth his slander upon his own head his owne bosome that seing he is perswaded the K. cannot be a member of any one parish because he is the governour of all the Churches within his dominiōs he must for the same cause deny him to be a member of any one Diocesan or provinciall I may adde Nationall Church within his dominions And hence it will followe that in his conceite the King is not a member of any one certeine visible Church for by one visible Church the D. meaneth the christian people of one diocese or province or at the moste of one nation For the christian people lyving vnder diverse lawes as the people of England and Scotland doe are diverse nations and so diverse visible Churches if we may beleeve his owne wordes lib. 3. p. 51. 52. Wherefore the vnpartiall reader may easily see that this odious crime of denying the King to be a member of a true visible Church falsly and spitefully ascribed to them against whom he dealeth doth truely and justly light vpon himself As for the question which he moveth whither they holde the King and his houshold to be a true Church That so he may be thought to be a member of a true Church though the Q. be needlesse and sufficiently answered already yet know he againe and againe that they hold the Kinge and his familye to be a true visible Church not onely a member of a true Church and the King in regard of his regall office a most noble member excelling all other though the Doct. seemeth to be otherwise perswaded not onely of the King as is before shewed but perhaps also of his familey because it is not as other parishes are a subordinate member of any one diocese nor constantly subjected to the jurisdiction of the diocesan Bishop His last reason why we may not with the like reason acknowledge the Bishop and his family to be an entire Church he should say but he saith familie by themselves I will answere when I finde him better disposed to receive it then he was when to the ende of his question he added It is no matter what they holde vnlesse they were more learned and judicious In the meane time lett him bethink himself what to answere to these questions 1. Whether every Bishop or any one of them doth alike subject himself as the King doth to the pastorall authority of any one or moe that doo ordinarily distribute the word and sacramentes to his whole familye 2. Whither any Bishop residinge with his familye in another diocese as the Arch Bishops alwaise doe and some others for the most parte doe he and his familey be as other parishes are subject to his jurisdiction in whose diocese they are 3. And if the Bishop be the pastor of his familey and his chapleines assistants to him for the pastorall oversight therof whether we may not affirme their families to be so many Presidents of parishes governed by a parish pres bytery In 3. sections following the Doctor bestirreth himself to recover Sect. 7. ad sect 9. Def. pag. 40. his credit with his Diocesan Bishops who by a reasō grounded on his owne words were proved by the Refuter page 6. to be absolute Popelings The reason was layd downe to him in this forme They who have not onely supreme but also sole authoritie in causes ecclesiasticall are absolute Popelings All Diocesan Bishops have not onely supreme but also sole authoritie in causes ecclesiasticall Therefore all Diocesan Bishops are absolute Popelings The Doct. scorning that this should be called his reason sayth That there is nothing in it his but the propositiō which also is stretched beyond not onely his meaning but his wordes His wordes are these serm pag. 4. least they might seeme to sett up an absolute popeling in every parish who should have not only supreme but also sole authoritie in causes ecclesiasticall they adioyne unto him that is to their Pastor a consistorie of lay or governing elders Out of these words saith the Def pag. 40. I deny not but this proposition may be framed They who give to a Bishop not onely supreme but also sole authoritie in causes ecclesiasticall doe seeme to sett vp an absolute popeling And why not or better that proposition which his Refuter urgeth In deed if he had sayd They seeme to sett vp an absolute popelinge in giving to their parishe Bishop not onely supreme but also sole authority c his proposition had more naturally flowed frō his words then now it doth but since he saith an absolute popeling which should have both supreme sole authoritie c. he very clearely describeth in these last words of having such an authoritie as he speaketh of what he meant by an absolute popeling namely such a Pastor or Bishop as hath not onely supreme but also sole authoritie in causes ecclesiastical Wherefore he may aswell deny it to be day-light at high-noone as deny that the Refuter rightly drewe his proposition from his wordes before expressed 2. Moreover put case a man should contradict the proposition which himself acknowledgeth to agree with his words and meaning must he not be inforced for the proofe thereof to assume some such assertion as that is which the Refuter propoundeth viz. that he is an absolute popeling who hath in any parish or diocese supreme and sole authoritie in causes ecclesiasticall 3. Yea doth he not elswhere in his sermon pag. 17. 51. with out any seeming affirme in plaine termes that the parish Bishop or Pastor of every parish must rule as a Pope vnlesse he be assisted with a presbyterie or subjected to the diocesan Bishops authority Yea that it is to sett vp a Pope in every parish if the Pastors doe rule alone neyther subject to the Bishop nor restreyned by Assistantes In like manner in this defence lib. 1. cap. 8. pa. 194. saith he not that their parish Bishops whom they make the supreme ecclesiasticall officers would be he saith not might seeme to be but would be absolute popelinges if presbyteries were not adjoyned vnto them because they shall have not onely supreme but also sole authority It is therefore a
those 16. positions by the Refuters words whereof he tooke notice pag. 38. 41. that they subject their Pastor and every of their ecclesiasticall officers to the body of the congregation and their censure if there be juste cause he doth wittingly add vnto his former vntruthes these 2. false and shamelesse positions viz. That their Pastor is a pettye Pope The D. addeth to his former vntruthes 2. false and shamelesse positions in regard of that supremacy which they ascribe vnto him and that were it not that he had a consistorie of Elders joyned to him as the Pope hath of Cardinals he would be more then a Pope True it is they say that the Pastor of a particular congregation is the highest ordinary ecclesiasticall officer in every true constituted visible Church of Christ But they speake onely of such Churches and Church-officers as were specially instituted in the new-Testament And if the D. judgement be demaunded which is the highest ordinary Church-officer in such a Church let him thinke with himselfe whether he must not be inforced to affirm asmuch of his diocesan Bishop or at least of his Archbishop For if all the visible Churches planted by the Apostles and indowed with power of ecclesiasticall government were dioceses properly as he confidently saith and if he dare not resolutely affirme and for a certeine truth as he dareth not but thinketh onely lib. 2. cap. 6. pag. 114. that Metropolitans were I say not instituted but intended by the Apostles why may it not be concluded that in his opinion the diocesan Bishop is he highest ordinarie officer ecclesiasticall in every true visible Church instituted in the new testamet Wherefore since it is apparant by the tenor of his sermon specially by pag. 44. 45. 90. that he giveth to the Bishop a peerelesse power of rule aswell over the presbyters as the people of his diocese that maie be truly affirmed of his diocesan Bishop which he falsly saith of the parish Bishop that he is a petty Pope in regard of that supremacie which he ascribeth vnto him If he had rather bestowe this honor vpon his Metropolitan Bishop because to prove that no Church in the world is more agreable to the forme and government of the most ancient and Apostolicall Churches then this of England he saith in that 114. pag. lib. 2. that at the first Metropolitans were autokephaloi heades by themselves of their provinces and not subordinate to any other superiour Bishops as it must needes be granted him that the title doth beseeme him much better because the supremacie of his jurisdiction is farr larger so it The D. falleth into another vn truth in denying any of our Bishops to be the supreme ecclesiasticall officer in his Church To say as he doth pag. 45. that our Bishops are guidded by lawes which by their superiors are imposed on them maketh no more for them then the like subjection in the parish Bishop But why say I the like Since it is farr greater he being subject not onely to the King his ecclesiasticall lawes and the meanest of his civil officers but also to the censures of his fellow-elders and the congregation whereof he is a member But that which is further added touching the Pastours with their elders and people viz. that they have as the Pope saith he hath a supreme immediate and independent authority sufficient for the government of their Churches in all causes ecclesiasticall and therefore for mâ—king of lawes ecclesiasticall c. and that as the Pope doth not acknowledge the superiority of a synode to impose lawes on him no more doe they I yet see not with what windelace he can drawe from thence that which he intendeth viz. that the title of absolute popelings agreeth better to their parish Bishops then to his Diocesan Bishops For is not that power of government which the Doctor giveth to every Diocesan Church by divine and Apostolicall institution as immediate independent and sufficient for it self as that which they give to every parish Else why doth he for the confuting and supressing of their parishonal government set downe this assertion namely that the visible churches such as he speaketh of indowed with power of ecclesiasticall government were Dioceses properly and not parishes The comparison therefore standeth much better betweene the Pope and the Diocesan Bishop in this manner As Papists say their Pope hath an independent and immediate authority from Christ over all the Pastors and people within his charge which is the Catholike Church or vniversal societie of Christians throughout the world a power sufficient for the ecclesiasticall government of all Churches every where so siath the Doctor and his associates that every Diocesan Bishop hath an immediate and independent authority from Christ over all the people of his Diocese which is his charge and sufficient for the ecclesiasticall government of all Churches within his jurisdiction see pag. 14. of his answere to the preface serm pag. 52. As for Synodes if they be lawfully called well ordered and their constitutions by royall authority ratified the Doctor can give neyther more honour nor obedience to them then they doe as their protestation sheweth Art 8 12. 13. 14. If they want regall authoritie to assemble or to ratify them they thinke that by divine or apostolicall ordinance their decrees or canons ought not to be imposed on any Churches without their particular and free consents See H. I. in his reasons for reform pag. 31. And if this also be a papall priveledge how will he exempt his Diocesan Bishop from being like herein to the Pope when he had nether Archbishop not provinciall Synode to impose any lawes on him Or the Archbishop and primate of all England who at this day acknowledgeth no superiority of any synode to impose lawes vpon him Thus much shall suffice to be spoken in defense of those later disciplinarians from whom although in some thinges I confesse I dissent yet I cannot cosent to the D. taking away of their innocency Wherein we see how the more he striveth to remove the title of popelings from the diocesan or provinciall Bishop the more he inwrappeth either the one or the other vnder a just and due title therevnto And since it is and shal be proved that he giveth both The D. getteth nothing by striving let him take home his plaine lye sole and supreme authority to Bishops in their Churches he must will he nill he take home to himself that same plaine-lye which he giveth his Refuter in the next section pag. 47. because he saith that his wordes doe there imply and afterwards plainely affirme a sovereigntie and supremacie in Bishops over other Ministers for in the Refuters vnderstanding sovereigntie is nothing but sole and supreme authority What more there is the Refuter is content to saye as the D. in the section following willeth him to say in another case ou manthano ad sect 12. pag. 47. I understand
his reasoning Sect. 2. ad sect 18. 19. p. 54. 57. whether it were so farr disordered by his Refuter as he would perswade his reader or rather be not perverted and put out of frame by himself It is a truth by himself confessed in the last section of this chapter pag. 57. lin 33. 35. that the body or frame of his sermon concludeth one and the same question but he is very angrie with his Refuter for reducing both the assertions which he proposed to be distinctly handled into one syllogisme For though he granteth that some such syllogisme as his Refuter framed â—aie be gathered out of diverse places of his sermon yet he denieth that it answereth to his intent The syllogisme is this The function of the Bishops of the 7. Churches is lawfull and good The function of the Bishops of the Church of England is the function of the Bishops of the 7. Churches Therefore the function of the Bishops of the Church of England is lawfull and good Both the premisses are clearely gathered from the 2. page of his sermon for the proposition is implied in the 2. assertion which saith That the office function of Bishops here ment by Angels is in this text approved as lawfull and commended as excellent And the assumption is thus propounded in the first assertion ibid. The Angels of the 7. Churches or the Pastors or Bishops of those Churches vnderstood by the angels were Bishops for the substance of their calling such as the reverend fathers of our Church are But let vs heare the Doctors censure of the refuters syllogisme Against the assumption he excepteth nothing wherefore I must take it for graunted that it is as his refuter affirmeth all one with his first assertion In like manner he graunteth the conclusion to be the same with that which he calleth the doctrine collected out of the text viz. that the colliâ—ge of diocesan Bishops is lawfull and good which he setteth also for the conclusion of both the syllogismes which himself frameth pag. 58. neither denieth he the proposition to be in effect all one with that which himself taketh for the proposition of his first syllogism viz. that the calling of such as are here meant by Angels is lawfull and good Let us view his syllogism and compare it with the Refuter and this it is The calling of such as are here ment by Angels is lawfull and good Diocesan Bishops are such as are here ment by Angels Therefore the calling of diocesan Bishops is lawfull and good What difference in the proposition betwene function and calling Bishops of the 7. Churches and such as are here ment by Angels What difference in the assumption betwene the Bishops of the Church of England and diocesan Bishops Are they not in the Dâ—â—ense all one if so what difference in the conclusions And wherein then hath the Refuter offended if his syllogism be for the sense and meaninge of each parte though the wordes and phrases doe a little vary one and the same with the first of the D. owne framing Forsooth the Doct. will tell you because he would against sense make the Reader beleeve that the proposition of his syllogism is that last assertion which was propâ—unded pag. 2. concerning the quality of their function But goeth not the Doctor rather against all sense yea against his owne conscience in labouring to make the reader beleeve that the conclusion of the Refuters syllogisine is that assertion or doctrine as he calleth it which pag. 2. sheweth the quality of their function For doth the Doctor speak of the Bishops of the Church of England and not rather of the Bishops of the 7. Churches in Asia when he promiseth out of the words of the text to shewe that the office and function of Bishops there meant by angels is in the same text approved as lawfull and commended as excellent And are the Bishops there meant by angels the Bishops of the Church of England and not the Bishops of those 7. Churches Behold how a greedy desire to quarrell with his Refuter without cause carieth The D. coÌ„ mitteth 3. foul faults to colour a falshood him at vnawares into these fowl faultes not onely of coÌ„tradicting coÌ„mon sense his owne knowledge but also of giving the lie to the holy ghost the author of the text And all this is done to colour that falshood which before he had forged sciz that his 2. assertion propounded pag. 2. was this viz. the calling of Diccesan Bishops is lâ—wfull and good A falshood sufficiently before discovered and by himself inconsiderately no doubt yet plainly acknowledged when he saith of the conclusion of the first Syllogisme p. 58. which is verbatim the same that before he called his doctrine that he did not expresse it being implyed in the collection of the doctrine out of his text So this one sentence the calling of the diocesan Bishops is lawfull and good is propounded as a doctrine collected out of the text pag. 2. and yet is not expressed neither is it the doctrine but implyed onely in the collection of the doctrine How slippery is his memorie that The Doct. in one pag grossly coÌ„tradicteth himselfe in lesse then one page contradicteth himself so grossely But pardoÌ„ we him this slip for it is his coÌ„mon though a false Tenent that the later of his two assertions propounded pag. 2. of his sermoÌ„ is the doctrine which he collecteth from the text the former serving to prove the later which he saith lib. 4. pag. 2. doth much coÌ„mend the methode of his sermon But the reader by that saying may see how ready he is notwithstanding his disclayming of it with indignation lib. 1. cap. 1. to apprehend a slight occasion to blase his owne commendations and how needful it was he should discarde that second assertion which was first layde downe serm pag. 2. and in stead thereof tender vs that which every where in his defence he termeth his doctrine For if his 2. assertions taken in the very words which first expressed them be so knit together that the former shall prove the later the Enthemem which they will frame is this and no other The Pastors or Bishops meant by the angels Apocal. 1. 20. were Bishops for the substance of their calling such as the reverend fathers of our Church are Therefore the office and function of Bishops here meant by angels is in this text both approved as lawfull and commended as excellent Now to make good the consequence of this collectioÌ„ this must be added for the proposition The function of such Bishops for the substance of their calling as are the reverend fathers of our Church is in this text approved as lawfull and coÌ„mended as excellent Doth not this kind of reasoning think you very highly commend the Doctors methode in disposing his two assertions to his best advantage For however he begg the maine question in the proposition or The D. beggeth the main
question consequence of his Enthimeme for graunted yet he may rest securely in this that the conclusion of his argument will never be impugned But if his Refuter had thus disorderly turned the frame of his sermon vpside downe or given the least intimation that he indeavoured to prove a Diocesan Bishoprick to be lawful in the angels of these 7. Churches because it is lawfull in the Lord Bishops of England there had beene some cause for him whereas nowe there is no colour of a cause to complaine as he doth pag. 56 57 that by a forced Analysis not answerable to his Genesis the frame of his sermon to let his racking and taintering speeches alone is put quite out of frame Wherefore since the Doctor chargeth his Refuter with the fault whereof The D. is guilty of the fault which he chargeth his refuter with himself is guilty it shall be no great wroÌ„g done to return him some other of his own words p. 56. nimia est miseria doctuÌ„ esse hominum nimis behold to how great trouble too much learning wil put a man For if his skil had not bene extraordinary I say not in analysing his owne treatise but in changing his two first assertions and bringing in other two in their stead all this stirr had bin needlesse But the stirre or strife is not yet at an end the Doctors greatest Sect. 3. ad sect 19 p. 56. quarrel against his refuter is yet behinde namely the censure which he passeth upon those 5. points which he prosecuted in the body of his sermon where he saith answ pag. 9. that the first the last are to litle purpose and that the other three doe not directly prove the point in question I will not here trouble the reader with the Doctors termes wherein he sheweth in what rage he was hereat let us rather examine how just or vnjust this the Refuters censure is the which that it may appeare let it be remembred that the Doctor acknowledgeth in the former section pag. 54 that the first 4. points must be referred to the proof of his first assertion the last of the fyve to the second Now this being so whosoever taketh his second assertion in the words wherein he delivered it serm pag. 2. shall easily discerne that it is labour bestowed in vaine to spend time in the proving of that which is cleare enough of it self For who ever doubted but that the office and function of those Bishops which are in his text meant by angels is there approved as lawful and commended as excellent Wherefore if his 5. point serve for none other vse then for the proofe of this The D. 5. point is idle assertion the D. hath no cause to blame his Ref for affirming he might well have spared that labour But albeit he could not indure so milde a reproofe his patience must now be tryed with a sharper Be it therefore knowne to him that he reasoneth absurdly if he The D. reasoneth absurdly referr his 5. point to the fortifying of his 2. assertion pag. 2. for thus then his enthymeme standeth The calling of Bishops such as ours are or at least such as the Bishops of the auncient Churches are affirmed to be serm pag. 7. is of apostolical and divine institution Ergo the function of Bishops meant by angels Apoc. 1 20. is in the same text approved as lawful and commended as excellent As for that difference which is betweene the later terme or praedicatum of the antecedent and of the consequent in this argument I will take no exception against it for though every apostolicall or divine institution findeth not approbation in this text Apocal. 1. 20 yet the honour of such an institution cannot be denied vnto any function which in this text receiveth approbation Wherefore he shall with good leave if he will exchange the later terme of his conclusion thus Ergo the function of Bishops meant by Angels Apoc. 1. 20. is of apostolicall and divine institution But how will the D. cover the shame of his disorderly reasoning when in stead of justifying our Bishops by the calling of those Angels he doth contrariwise inferre their calling to be of divine institution because our bishops have deryved their function from divine or apostolicall ordination Is not this to set the Cart before the Horse to laye that for the foundation which The D. laieth that for the groundsell that should serve for the ridgepole should serve for the roofe or highest parte of his buylding It will not serve his turne to tell us that we mistake his 2. Assertion for it is already shewed that himself putteth a changling in place thereof when he delivereth vnder that name this conclusion that callinge of diocesan Bishops is lawfull and good Notwithstanding since he will needes have this which the falsely calleth his 2. Assertion to be the doctrine whlch he intended to prove not onely by the explication of his text comprized in his first assertion but also by that 5. point wherein he bestowed his greatest labour if he have sufficiently fortified the former 4. pointes which serve to vpholde that explication which concludeth his doctrine what offence was it for his Refuter then or now againe for his reader to say that his labour in the last point was needlesse and might well have bin spared May he not well think that one argument soundly concluded from the canonicall text will more prevaile with the wise then many conjectural reasons drawne froÌ„ mere humane testimonies But may a man prove his patience yet a little further that with an harder sentence viz. That he contradicteth himself in urging The D. coÌ„tradicteth himself that 5. point as a distinct proofe to conclude the doctrine I speak herein nothing but the truth and that I received from his owne mouth For this 5. point to wit that the function of Bishops is of epostâ—licall and divine institution which he now pag 54. 58. maketh a proofe of the doctrine arising out of the text is expressely affirmed serm pag 93. to be the doctrine it self which ariseth out of the text and by way of explication of the text is proved And who so well observeth what lawfulnes and goodnes or excellencie he ascribeth eyther to the function of those Bishops which are meant by angels in his text assert 2. pag. 2. or to the calling of all other Bishops answerable to his description pag. 51. with 54. 54. he may plainly perceive that it is no other then such as hath institution from God and approbation from the text it self under the names of starrs angels wherefore if he himself had beene as carefull to observe the transitions which he vseth in his sermon as he is ready without cause to blame his refuter for not observing theÌ„ he might have discerned his doctrine handled in his sermon to be the very laste of his 5. pointes and not so diverse from it as
And if one of our Bishops may in his visitation apply to alâ— the Ministers of his diocese those words of the Apostle Acts. 20. 28. that they should attende the whole flock c. as he saith lib. 2. pag. 105. then he must acknowledge all those Ministers to be properly Diocesan and not parishonall Pastors because the whole flock or Church in such a speach is properly a Diocese and not a parishe Moreover by the like consequence he must acknowledge that the Prophets Teachers mentioned 1. Cor. 12. 28. were for the extent of their authority equall with the Apostles that is all vniversall Ministers none affixed to any particular Church or Diocese because the Church wherein God is sayd to ordeyne them is the vniversal Church militant as he affirmeth lib. 1. pag. 227. lib 2. pag. 4. Also that Titus was properly a nationall Bishop and not Diocesan or provinciall because the Church of Crete whereof he was Bishop was properly a Nationall Church and not a province or diocese And that the Bishops of our owne Church whose function he will have to be of divine institution are properly nationall also and not diocesan or provinciall because the Church of England whereof they are Bishops is neyther diocese nor province but properly a nation or nationall Church Wherefore if the Doctor doth not willfully shut his eies against the light he may se that though he could prove those 7. Churches to be properly dioceses yet it will not followe as he supposeth that the Angels of those Churches were properly diocesan Bishops So that if he faile also of his hope to prove or â—ather boast in vaine of that proofe which he professeth lib. 2. pa 3. to have drawne from his text to shewe that the 7. Churches of Asia were properly dioceses then may he sit downe in silence with the losse of his cause till he hath found out a new text in case any other can be found to justify the functioÌ„ of our Diocesan Bishops His argument which as he saith sect 2. cap. 3. is grounded Section 3. Ref. pa. 53. D. lib. 2. cap. 3. pag. 43. sect 3. vpon the text was in his sermon pag. 17. 18. proposed to prove a more large Conclâ—sion viz. that in the Apostles times and in the age followinge the Churches whereof the Bishops were called Angels to wit all visibles Churches indowed with power of ecclesiasticall government were Dioceses properly and not parishes wherfore before we trie how wel he hath proved those 7. churches to be Dioceses let us first see how absurdly he dealeth in strayning his text to a larger extent I meane to justify that generall coÌ„clusion before mentioned The words which â—ay downe his argument are these For whereas our Saviour Christ writing to the Churches of Asia numbreth but seven naming the principall and some of them mother-cities of Asia saith Theâ— starres were the angels of those 7. churches it cannot be denied but that the Châ— whereof they were Bishops were great ample cities and not cities alone but also the Countries adioyning From the last wordes of which-sentence the refuter frameth this connexive Syllogisme If the Churches of Asia to which our Saviour Christ writâ— were great and ample cities and not the cities alone but also the Countries adioyning then they were Dioceses properly and not parishes But the Churches of Asia were such therefore they were Dioceses c. And addeth that the Assumption lieth pag. 18. and the conclusion pag. 17. whereby it appeareth that the last wordes of the proposition which is supplied viz. then they were Dioceses properly and not parishes must not be restreyned to the 7 Churches of Asia onely but rather understood of all the visible Churches which were in the world at that time and in the age following as the wordes of his conclusion before delivered doe shewe Notwithstanding because the reâ—uter rejecteth the consequence of the proposition and saith it is naught the Doctor finding himselfe vnable to make it good disgorgeth his stomach against his The D. vnable to make good his owne reasoÌ„ seeketh to make his Ref. logick naught Refuter and thinking to make his logick naught asketh pag. 43. sect 3. if he cannot frame a Syllogisme with hope to answere it vnlesse the proposition have a consequence which he may deny and as if he were a Puny that had not learned the groundes of logick intreateth him that the Proposition may be simple and afterwards charging him not to know what the hypothesis or thing supposed in a connexive syllogism is taketh vpon him Magistraliter to teach him how to know it and willeth him to dispose his connexive proposition into an Enthymem and giveth him to witt that what part is wanting to make vp a syllogism the same is presupposed as the hypothesis whereon the consequence is grounded and so goeth on along in instructing his Refuter in logicall pointes where I leave him And on the Refuters behalfe I answere 1. that though he is not perhapps so great a logician as Maister Doctor yet he is not ignorant how to reduce an Enthymem into a simple Syllogisme he hath often done it before the Doctor drewe him into his schoole as the reader may see in his answere pag. 9. 29. 70. 73. 109. 139. 145. 154. 155. 156 and so hath proved The D. a false witnes him to be a false witnes in saying as he doth pag. 44. and 45. that he knoweth not what is the hypothesis or thing presupposed in a connexive proposed in a connexive proposition and that he must unlearn that art if he will not be counted a Trifler of flinging all arguments into a connexive syllogisme that he may have a consequence to cavill with â— but doth not the D. himself frame many coÌ„nexive Syllogismes in this Defense See lib. 1. pag. 67. 84. 92. 101. 134. 165. 180. in the rest of his bookes many others may be found besides sundry Enthymemes which he leaveth void of that supply that should reduce to a perfect syllogism Wherefore if his Refuter be worthy so oft to be reproved as he is by the Doctor lib. 1. pag. 109. 146. and here et alibi passim for his connexive Syllogismes however another might doe it yet I may here tell the D. it becoÌ„meth not him to doe it Turpe est Doctori cum culpa redarguit ipsum But had the Doctor made none yet the use of such Syllogismes is common both with Divineâ— and Logicians of good account Doth not Aristotle often use them See Prior. lib. 1. cap. 40. lib. 2. cap. 2. Are they not by good Logicians commended as most firme apt both for confirmatioÌ„ of truth coÌ„futatioÌ„ of errour To passe by Polanus Log. l. 1. p. 92 Let the D. read that worthy Sadeel Tit. de verbo Dei scripto c. cap. 2. and 3. Vseth he not in his reasoning there both kataskevasticos anaskevasticos ten connexives for one simple
of his consequence viz. that though it were granted that those 7. were great and ample Cities and the Countries adjoyninge yet their might be diverse other as that of Cenchrea Rom. 16. which were small and bounded within the walleâ— of some small Towne See you not saith the D. how he secketh about for starting holes what if there were other small Churches what is that to this consequence If thâ—se Ch conteined each of them not onely the City but the Country adjoyning then they were not parishes properly but Dioceses his answere if it be well weighed is an exception against the conclusion c. I answere â— if he grant there were other small Churches he then justifyeth his Ref ceÌ„sure both in denying that to agree to all other Churches which he affirmeth of those 7. viz. that they were great and ample cities c. and in rejecting the consequence of his first Enthymem which in concluding all Churches to be Dioceses because those 7. were great and ample cities did presuppose as himself acknowledgeth that what he affirmed of those 7. is verified of all the rest 2. And therefore he slaundereth his refuter in charging him to seek about for starting holes and his answere to be an exception The Doct. slaundreth his Refuter against the conclusion For his answere is a strong engine to bâ—tter the consequence of his argumentation and ferriteth him out of that starting hole which himselfe crept into for safe harbor when he saith that what is verified of those 7. Churches the same may be truly affirmed of all others 3. Moreover he much forgetteth himselfe in affirming both here and pag. 44. that his argument concludeth nothing else then this that the 7. Churches were Dioceses For as the conclusion which he proposeth in his sermon pag. 17. to be proved was more generall of all Churches in the Apostles times and the age following so he doth expresly affirme pag. 45. of this defense that in this argument now controverted he concludeth A flat contradiction in the D. from those 7. churches to all others As for his conclusion or closing up of this point wherin he calleth his Refuter a froward adversary because here he findeth fault that he concludeth what these Churches were and yet in other places accused him for not concluding what they or the angels of them were it argueth the D. himselfe to be a froward adversary and a false witnes His falshood appeareth in this that as he cannot alleadge one word to prove The Doct. not the Refuter is a froward ad versary a false witnes his accusation so he himselfe acquiteth him thereof when he saith pag. 45. that he is here blamed for concluding from these 7. Churches to all others And since he knoweth the fault which his Refuter findeth to be a naughty consequence which falsly presupposeth all Churches to be such as he saith those 7. were to wit great and ample â—ities c. what is it else but frowardnes in him that will rather justify a lye then acknowledge a truth which he knoweth But since he will nowe restreyne his argument to the 7. Churches Sect. 5. to conclude them Dioceses I will change the conclusion of his Enthymem before set downe sect 3. in fine and set it thus as followeth The 7. Churches whose Bishops are called Angels Apoc. 1. 20. were great and ample cities and not the cities alone but also the countries adioyning Therefore those 7. Churches were Dioceses properly and not Parishes yea Dioceses such as ours are For unlesse their Churches were such as our Diocesan Churches are he cannot strongly conclude their Bishops to be in the large extent of their authoritie like to our Diocesans Now if I might presume to give the Doctor any directioÌ„ for the reducing of his Enthymem into a simple syllogism I would advise him to remember that the Medius terminus which never entreth into the conclusion must needes be here the predicatum in the antecedent to wit great and ample cities c. and to make up the proposition which is wanting there must be joyned to it the predicatum of the consequent to witt Dioceses c. because it hath no place in the antecedent Wherefore the proposition to be supplyed must be this Great and ample cities togâ—ther with their countries adioyning are Dioceses properly and not parishes yea Dioceses like to ours Then follow the partes of his Enthymem in order as they lie But the 7. Churches whoâ—e Bishops are called Angels Apoc. 1. 20. were great and ample cities togither with their countries adioyning Therefore those 7. Churches were Dioceses properly c. In the assumption of A double vntruth in the D. assumption this Syllogisme or antecedent of the former Enthymem there is a double untruth which the Doctor in his second thoughts discerned for himselfe pag. 45. restreyneth the name of great and ample cities to 5. onely of those 7. and that which he graunteth of Ephesus pag. 62. must be acknowledged also of all the rest viz. that the whole citie was not the Church vntil it was wholly coÌ„verted to the profeâ—sion of Christianity Wherefore to free his argument from both these vntruthes first he quite shuâ—teth out this clâ—use great and ample cities secondly whereas before he had said that the 7. Churches whose Bishops are in his text called angels were not onely the cities but also the countries adioyning now he saith his meaning was that those Churches conteined in their circuite not onely the Cities but the Cuntries adjoyninge Wherfore he contriveth his argument in this forme pag. 42. 44. Churches whose circuite conteyned both Cities and countryes adjoyning were Dioceses The circuite of the 7. Churches conteyned the Cities and Countries adjoyninge Therefore the 7. Churches were dioceses The assumption he hath made good as he supposeth with necessary proofe And the proposition which he tooke for granted will stand as he saith pag. 43. vnmoveable when the foundation of our discipline will be razed But the issue will shew I doubt not that the foundatioÌ„ of our discipline will abide firme when his proposition is shaken into shivers and that his assumption hath not so much as one probable argument to support it To make his meaninge a little more plaine in both the premisses as himself doth explaine his assumption thus that the Circuite of every one of those Churches conteyned both the City the Country adjoyninge so to holde proportion therewith his proposition must cary this sense that every Church whose circuite conteineth a City and the Country adjoyninge is a Diocese And because he must conclude as we have before observed that every one of those 7. Churches was properly a diocese such as are the dioceses subjected to our Bishops his proposition must affirme every Church conteyninge one City and the Country adjoyning to be such a diocese as these are which we beholde at this day in the Church of England But admit a truth
about some parts of his answer then to propose any sound argument for the justifying of the points impugned which is in deed the perpetuall course of this great disputer for the most part But let us see whether he hath so just cause as he suppofeth to Sect. 4. insult over his Refuter when he saith to let passe his scoffs more fit for a vice in a play then a Doctor of divinitie in re tam seria as this is that his Refuter wrangleth as a man confounded yet resolved to coÌ„ntradict though against the light of his conscience denieth the conclusion coÌ„tradicteth himselfe The contradiction objected will come to be examined in his defense of the Assumption All that is sayd to weaken the consequence or proposition he taketh to be but a bare deniall of the conclusion And first he so conceiveth of his quaestion what if every one of the Churches then were but one parish c. because he cannot see how it impugneth the consequence in any respect But had he had so much charitie towards his Refuter as he would have yeelded to himselfe he might have supplied that which the state of the question and the scope of his answer requireth to be necessarily understood q. d. what if though that were granted which he supposeth every one of the Churches then were but one parish which by reasoÌ„ of the multitude of people had many Teachers so he might have seen that he impugneth his consequence so farre as it inferreth that the Presbyteries were not appointed unto parishes and that therfore he both wrongeth him to say that in that respect he giveth it no answer at all and sporteth himselfe in vaine with the hope of a victorie that turneth to his ruine For his quaestion rightly conceived as before is shewed doth in plaine phrase of speaking import thus much q. d. Be it granted that parishes in the Apostles times were not distinguished in any citie and the country nere adjoyning nor presbyters assigned to their severall cures this nothing hindreth but that every one of the Churches which by their ordination injoyed a presbyterie or companie of teachers might be one parish that is one ordinarie congregation of Christians assembling togither in one place And that which is added touching the French Dutch Churches serveth not to prove the maine conclusion as the Doctor supposeth therein mistaking his Refuters Analysis but to justify the deniall of the consequence by a paralel comparing those outlandish churches here in England with the ancient Apostolike Churches in this manner It is well knowne that the French and Dutch Churches here in England have first a presbyterie or company of Teachers allotted to them 2. no parishes distinguished in any citie for them 3. nor presbyters so assigned to their several cures as our parish Ministers are Be it also graunted that the Apostolike Churches in cities had the like yet the French and Dutch Churches are neyther doth the want of distinct parishes and presbyters assigned to their severall cures hinder their being each of them one parishionall not a diocesan assembly that is one ordinarie congregation of Christians assembling togither in one place Why then might not those Apostolike Churches be yea how should the want of distinct parishes c. hinder their like being If the Doctor will needs have the comparison brought into a syllogism it may be thus framed What hindreth not the French Dutch Churches which here in England have a presbyterie or company of Teachers allotted to them from being each of them one parishonall assembly that cannot binder the Apostolicke Churches which in Cities injoyed their presbyterie or company of Teachers from being each of them one parishonall assembly The want of distinct parishes and presbyters so assigned to their severall Cures as our parish-Ministers are doth not hinder the French or Dutch Churches which here in England have a presbyterie or company of Teachers allotted to them from being each of them one parishonall assembly Therefore the like want cannot hinder the Apostolike Churches which in cities injoyed their presbyterie or company of Teachers from being each of them one parishonall assembly As for his cavils agianst his owne Argument framed I will not Sect. 5. say for the nonce to cavill withall but vpon a mistake of his Refuters meaning though I might passe by them as not directly touching any part of the argument before contrived yet because they contradict some pointers implied in the comparison I will remove them out of the way least any one should stomble at them First therefore whereas he hunteth after some differences between the Apostolike Churches and the French or Dutch Churches here in England thereby to shew that they are not of like condition as the Refuters comparison importeth I answer 1. the Doctor cannot be ignorant that comparisons are not to be racked beyond the purpose of the Author that produceth them neyther is he so simple but that he may see his Refuter principally intended herein to compare the Apostolike Churches with the FreÌ„ch and Dutch Churches that as the later have so also the former had by reason of the multitude of people many teachers to attend theÌ„ and yet remayned one Church assembly not distributed into severall congregations vnder severall Ministers Herein therefore if the comparison holde as himselfe confefseth and argueth for his advantage pag. 74. 75. all the differences that he alledgeth were they as many moe as they are cannot contradict or infringe the truth of the Refuters speach when he saith doe you not see the like in the French and Dutch churches here in England 2. But what are the dissagreements which he hath found out For the most part such as are now questioned concerning the Apostolike Churches for he saith Their Presbyterie consisteth for the most part of Lay-men placed among us not with purpose to convert either the Ciâ—â—â— or countâ—â—â— to them but to attend them of their owne Church whereas contrary wise the Churches in the Apostles times had a Bishop and a Presbyterie of learned men placed among them as leaven is put into the lump with purpose to convert the reâ—â— both in Ciâ—â—â— and Countrie As if he would argue that they agree not in the points assumed by the Refuter for his purpose because they answere not his expectation in the particulars which his imagination ascribeth though his arguments cannot conveigh them to the Apostolike Churches As for that other difference viz. that the French Church in London is but one among many prosessing the same religion whereas the Apostolike Churches were not so before the division oâ— parishâ—â— but planted among heathen peo-ple though he make it a chiefe one yet is it srivolous and of no value The Doct. pulleth downe with the one hand what he fetteth up with the other especially seing himselfe pag. 72. compareth the French Churches here with those ancient Christians who dwelt in Cities replenished with men of another saith
as with Arrians as ours be with men of another language 3. And here by the way observe how the Doctor at vnawares pulleth downe with the one hand what he setteth vp with the other For against this comparison between those churches that lived among the Arrians and the French Churches among us alleadged to prove that the later are as he saith the former were models of diocesan Churches I may returne his owne exceptions thus The French Churches cannot be Models of diocesan Churches like as he supposeth the other were because their Presbytery consisteth for the most part of lay-men and wanteth a Bishop which they had neither are they placed and reâ—eined for the the conversion of the citie and countrie to them as in the Doctors conceit the ancient Churches among the Arrians were for otherwise how should they be converted as he argueth pag. 67. And this also by the way weakneth his arguing to shew that Sect. 6. the French and Dutch Churches among us are no parish assemblies For if they be neither diocesan nor models of diocesan Churches what else can they be then parishes such at least as the Refuter in this question esteemeth to be parishes or parishonall Churches 2. But in this point he sheweth himself what he is when knowing as is before noted sect 3. in what sense the Refuter holdeth those The Doct. knowing the Refut to speak in one sense â—â—ieth to an other Churches and the ancient Apostolike Churches to be parishes he doth notwithstanding flie to another sort of parishes viz. such as ours now are deprived of the power of ecclesiasticall government and subordinate to an other Church as members thereof to his exceptions therefore in this behalfe this reply may suffice That which is one Church among many in one citie is one parish or one congregation such as in this question we define a parish to be But the French Church in London is one Church among many in one citie as the Doctor acknowledgeth p. 7. 1 It is therefore one parish as wee understand a parish in this question Againe That which hindreth not the french and dutch Churches among vs fro being each of them one ordinary congregation assembling to one place for the worship of God doth not hindâ—â— them from being each of them one parish as we take a parish in this question But the Doctors exceptions viz. that the members of the French and Dutch Churches doe dwel in many distinct parishes according to the circuite of our English division of parishes in London and other places aâ—d that their Churches are indowed with power of ecclesiasticall government and not subordinate to another Church as members thereof these exceptions I say doe not hinder the French and Dutch Churches among us from being each of them one ordinarie congregation assembling to one place for the wor-ship of God Therefore neyther doe they hinder them from being each of them one parish as we take a parish in this question As for that one speach inserted touching the French and Dutch Churches when he saith they have a Presbyterie as the Church â—â— Geneva hath to supply the want of a Bishop which once they had and still might have in an imitation of the ancient Christinians me thinks it scarce savoureth of truth or at least argueth forgetfulnes in himselfe For if that he speaketh of having a Bishop once in eâ—â—e and still in possâ— The Doct. speach either is vntrue or else contradicteth himself be referred to the French and Dutch Churches here in England where doth Alasco say that they once had a Bishop and how knoweth he that our Bishops would suffer them to have in each church a Bishop of their owne If to the Church of Geneva as he needeth not Alascoes testimonie to prove that they once had a Bishop so in saying that they now might have a Bishop what else doth he but contradict here what he earnestly pleadeth for lib. 4. pag. 166 viz. that the Churches of France and Geneva neyther in the first reformation could neyther now can obteyne the government of Bishops to be sâ—tled among them though they would but it is no new thing to meet with the Doctors slippings this way We come now to the Refuters regestion when he striketh at the Doctor with his owne weapon in this manner â—â— there were no parishes Sect. 7. ad P. 70. lin 8 in the Apostles times how could there be Dioceses seing every Diocese consisteth of diverse distinct parishes The Doctor telleth us it is but a floorish and a kind of answer that best fiâ—teth him that is at a non-plus But it is well knowne that this kind of answer is very usuall with divines nothing inferior to him eyther in schoole learning or divinity that to contradict any assertion belonging to the question aswell as the conclusion principally contraverted doth not the D. know that it is the course held by Mr Sadeel in all his Theologicall scholasticall disputations yea it is in deed of speciall use to put the adverse part to a non-plus or at least to let the indifferent Reader see the weaknes of his argument and therefore no mervâ—ile though the Doctors patience be not a little troubled with it But see we how he bestirreth himselfe to escape the stroak of it Good Sir saith he what is this to my consequence Againe to what end is this spoken to deny my consequence or the maine conclusion And a little after Therefore when he would sâ—â—me to denie the consequence of the propo-â—â—tion he doth not so much as touch it but by taking a supposed advantage against the assumption he dâ—niâ—th the principall conclusion Good Mr. D. with your patience is there no difference betwixt the deniall of the conclusion and the retorting of an argument against it And is it nothing to you if your maine conclusioÌ„ fall to the ground so that the consequence of one of your arguments stand uprightâ— but it is a fault in the Refuter when he would seeme to impugne your consequence to passe by it and to set upon your conclusioÌ„ when you thought it had been sufficiently garded Belike you looked not for such a stratageme at his hands whom you tooke to be amazed at the fight of your argument as you say pag. 71 and so shallow conceited when he is in his best wits that if we may beleeve you pa. 80. he can see no further then his nose end Yet perhaps if you had seene your consequence touched by the former part of his answer you would not have blamed him â— for running out against your conclusion before he gave the onset to your assumption But to let your scoffs alone tell us in good earnest doe you think your consequence is altogither out of the reach of this his regestion as you call it doth it not rather fall with the conclusion for how could Presbyteries be appointed to Dioceâ—es when there were none If therefore the want of
his arguments seing the two are in effect but one yea one error twice produced for two distinct arguments Secondly the last point of the Presbyters attendance on their charge in The D. 2. arguments are in effect but one yea one errour twice produced for two distinct arg coÌ„mon which is rejected as unworthy to be ascribed to the Apostles appointment or allowance that for this reason following It is at no hand to be indured that the Apostles should be suspected to appoint or allow of any disorderly confusion But to ordeyne many Presbyters or Ministers in comon to attend not onely the feeding of the whole flock converted but also to labour the conversion of the residue in the citie and countrey adioyning is to authorize and give allowance to a disordely confusion Therefore it is at no hand to be indured that the Apostles should be suspected to have ordeyned many Presbyters or Ministers for such attendance in coÌ„mon The proposition cannot be doubted of neyther taketh the Doctor any exception against it The assumption he contradicteth but answereth not the probabilities urged to cleare it And first the disorder and confusion is declared by a like example of a schoole erected in some great towne by some great scholler who having entred his Auditors in the principles of grammer being drawne away by some occasions appointeth certeyne Vshers in coÌ„mon to take care of all that were so entred and to gaine as many more as they could not of the same towne onely but of all other townes round about Now if they thus left to their libertie shall goe now hither now thither and teach now these now those as it best liketh himselfe and them is it not likely think yet that there would be good teaching and learning in such a schoole To this cafe the Doctor maketh no other answer but this that he is worthy to be put into a cloakbagg which proposed it but is not himselfe more worthy of the cloak bagg that could finde no better answer Surely if his refuter had made such an answer he would have sayd so but I will not for he sheweth himself to have wit enough to scoffe it out wheÌ„ he is at a non-plus For seing he sheweth not the dissagreement of the things compared togither who seeth not reason to think the comparison is much fitter then he would have it 2. Againe the Refuter asketh how such a coÌ„mon imployment of preaching here and there at randon could be orderly then since it was afterwards disorderly for the Doctor acknowledgeth serm pag. 20. that this promiscuous attendance was taken away by Euaristus for avoyding confusion And 3. he also intimateth that schismes must needes ensue when the people being tied to the hearing of no one preacher might upon their fancie run some after one some after an other and so peradventure leave some quite without auditors To all which the Doctor in his discretion giveth his grave consuÌ„re That which he meaning the Refuter bebleth concerning disorder and coÌ„fusion is wholly to be ascribed to his owne distemper and confusion Now that we may not think he wanteth reason thus to censure Sect. 12. his Refuter he asketh as a man that did not or would not see in which of the parts of his assumption points as he calleth them this orderly and â—nconfounded man noteth such disorder and confusion or was not the coÌ„fused conceit he spake of in his owne braine But is the Doctor in deed so shallowe conceited as he would seeme to be can he not discerne by the plaine mencioning of the teachers hearers going to fro from one company and from one towne to another the one to teach the other to heare whom and where themselves list that the disorder and confusion objected lieth neyther in the first or second branch of the assumption which concerne the distinction of parishes and the assignement of Presbyters to their severall cures nor yet altogither in that which he maketh the third scz that the presbyters were in comon to attend the whole flock but in this rather that they were in coÌ„moÌ„ to indeavor aswell the conversion of the residue in citie and country as the feeding of the whole flock already converted Wherefore that which he alleadgeth froÌ„ the state of the French and Dutch Churches among us to shewe there is no disorder or confusion in the three points which himself proposeth is in deed but meere babling and a deceitfull drawing of the reader from the question which is not whither one parish The D. cuÌ„ningly withdraweth the reader froÌ„ the questioÌ„ may enjoy sundry teachers coÌ„municonâ—ilis it mutuo auxiliâ— to attend the whole flock none of them being appointed to a several charge but whether one Presbyterie or company of Ministers may be appointed in coÌ„mon to the charge of an whole citie the country adjoyning so as each of them may at his pleasure bestowe his labour eyther in teaching any part of the people converted wheresoever they shall meet togither in an uncerteyne assembly or in preaching to any of the rest that remayn infiâ—â—elitie and in traveiling for that purpose from one part of the Diocese to an other as his owne minde shall guide him the former is that which the Refuter granteth and judgeth to be the state of the Apostolike Churches therein like to the French and Dutch here in England The D. case is but poor and weak the later he disclaymeth for the reasons before mentioned Herein therefore behoid and pitty the Doctors poore and weak estare for wheras before as appeareth sect 5. he renounced the comparison which his Refuter made betweene these outlandish Churches and the ancient Apostolike Churches though fitly agreeing in the pointes wherein they were to be compared as is shewed sect 4. Now for want of better help to wipe away that disorder and confusio objected against that coÌ„mon imployment which his conceit ascribeth to the Presbyters ordeyned by the Apostles he is faine to apprehend the same comparison to conceale that disagreement which though then it were impertinently urged yet now serveth well to shewe how weakly or rather disceitfully he disputeth For although in one congregation assembling in one place many Ministers may without confusion teach at severall times one after another as it was in the Church of Corinth 1. Cor. 14. 31. and now is in the French churches yet may it be yea it is already proved to be disorderly for many Ministers to attend promiscuously and at their pleasure sometimes on the feeding of a people converted and that eyther in whole or in part and sometimes on the instructing of such as in an whole citie countrey adjoyning doe yet remayne in unbeleefe Moreover it is well knowne that there is no such coÌ„munitie in the charge which the French and Dutch Ministers have of one congregation as he attributeth to the Presbyters first ordeyned by the Apostles for among these the Doctor giveth