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A pill to purge out poperie: or, A catechisme for Romish Catholikes shewing that popery is contrarie to the grounds of the Catholike religion, and that therefore papists cannot be good Catholikes.
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Mico, John.
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doe now plainely see that Papists are no good Catholikes because they are neither of sound faith nor good life but tell me I pray you who indeed are the true Church and true Catholikes M. All that doe truely and sincerely embrace professe and practise the aforesaid grouÌ„ds of Religion in what Countrey soeuer they liue C. Is the Church of England the true Church M. Yes for it hath the speciall markes of the true Church namely the Word of God sincerely and soundly preached and the Sacraments rightly administred C. The Papists say that there are diuersiities of opinions among vâ— that we cannot agree among our selues and that therefore wee are 〈◊〉 the true Church M. In all substantiall points of Religion we agree both amongst our selues and also with all other sound Protestants in Christendome In other things there haue bin are and will be diuersities of opinions and differences to the worlds end They should first plucke out the beame of their owne eyes for we can truely charge them with greater differences As namely with that sharpe and bloudy contention betweene the Franciscans and the Dominicans and vvith the late bitter contention betweene the Iesuites and the secular Priests wherein the Priests did write as bitterly against the Iesuites and namely against Parsons as euer did any Protestant nay there was neuer any Protestant Writeâ— that did lay such foule odious crimes to their charge as thâ— Priests did And heerein they verified the old Prouerbe When theeues fall by the eares true men come to haue theâ— goods For one dissention that is among vs they haue 〈◊〉 least ten among themselues Doctor Willet in his fourth â—â—ler of Papistry hath set downe at large First the conradictions and diuerse opinions of old Papiâ—â— and new 2. The contradictions of the Iesuites anongst themselâ—â— Thirdly that their stoutest Champion Bellarmine is at â—riance with himselfe shamefully forgetting himselfe sayâ— and vnsaying now of one opinion by and by of anothâ—â— And no maruell Oportet enim mendacem esse memorem A lyer had need to haue a good memory Fourthly he sheweth the repugnances inconueniences and inconsequent opinions which Popish Religion hath in it selfe And thus you see how they charge vs with that wherein themselues are most faulty DIALOGVE 16. C. Are there none among vs that maintaine any strange and new opinions contrary to the grounds of Religion M. If there be any such our Church doth not approue of them but rather censure and punish them C. There be some that professe the former grounds of Religion as we doe and yet say that there is no true Church among vs and therefore will not ioyne with vs in prayers hearing the Word and in the vse of the â—acraments but separate themselues from vs what say you of such M. I say that they are possessed with the spirit of pride and singularity and that in so doing they doe euen deny â—hese Articles of faith the Catholike Church and the Communion of Saints and are such as the Apostle speakes of Ro. â—6 17 Heb. 10.25 39. Master Perkins in his first Vol. pag. 409. â—ls them a schismaticall and vndiscreet company and saith â—â—at they are full of pride thinking themselues to bee full â—hen they are empty to haue all knowledge when they are â—â—norant haue need to be catechized Another saith thus 〈◊〉 them The errour of those men is full of euill yea of blesâ—â—emie who doe in such manner make a departure from this â—hurch as if Christ were quite banished from hence and â—â—at there could be no hope of saluation to those that abide â—â—ere And further he saith that if they cannot finde Christ â—ere they shall finde him no where The errours of these â—â—n you may see in a little Treatise set forth by M. Bernard â—â—led The Separatists Schisme C. I pray shew me some example that they ought not to separate â—â—â—mselues from vs and that they doe sinne in so doing M. In the Church of Corinth the incestuous man was not â—â—nished fornication was lightly regarded yea there were some that euen denied the Resurrection yet S. Paul doth account and call them the Church and Saints hee doth not perswade any to make a separation but doth plainely rebuke them and sheweth how they should punish the euill doer I speake not this to excuse any grosse sinne that raigneth amongst vs for I wish that the same might bee seuerely punished but to shew that where the Word is truely preached and the Sacraments rightly administred as in our Church they are none ought for any cause to separate themselues And that such as doe it doe sinne grieuously I will shew yoâ— by a familiar example A mother conceiueth and bringeth forth a sonne and that with great trauaile and paine Sheâ— traineth him vp to mans estate and that not without great care and labour This sonne at length espying some spot and blemish or some infirmitie in his mother forsaketh her and will not acknowledge her to be his mother what would you now thinke of him C. Surely I should thinke such a one to be a very wicked and vnnaturall sonne M. Euen such are they who for some seeming faults iâ— our Church deny it to be a true Church and doe separatâ— themselues from it whereas this Church hath conceiueâ— them brought them forth and nourished them For if eâ—eâ— they were truely begotten vnto Christ and borne anew iâ— hath been by our Church and our Ministerie by whicâ— likewise they haue been trained vp and brought to thâ—â— knowledge which they haue C. There are many amongst vs that make great profession of Râ—â—â—on but I can see no good workes come from them nay they are 〈◊〉 onely barren in good workes but also liue in some one grosse sinne or 〈◊〉 Are these the true Church and true Catholikes M. Though they liue in the Church yet they are noâ— the Church they are but Hypocrites and shal if they repâ—â—â— not haue the reward of Hypocrites yea it shall bee eâ—â— in the Day of Iudgement for many Papists then for theâ—â— because by their barten and fruitlesse yea wicked 〈◊〉 they haue caused the Name of God his Gospell the true Professors thereof to be euil spoken of Let all therfore that will be accounted the true Church and true Christians be carefull to adorne the doctrine of God our Sauiour in all things and that by a godly conuersation and by doing of good workes C. The name of God be blessed for this our conference whereby I finde my selfe much edified There remaineth yet one thing more which I will demand of you and that is How I may come to know and be assured that I am indeed a member of the true Church and that I shall certainly be saued M. Be diligent to heare the Word of God preached Reade the Scriptures Receiue often the Sacrament Acquaint your selfe throughly with the aforesaid grounds of Religion Ioyne hereunto earnest and hearty prayer Set apart some time for these things specially be carefull to spend the Sabbath herein And to all these things ioyne an holy conuersation indeuouring aboue all things to haue alway a cleere conscience toward God and toward men In doing this you shall at length come to that full assurance whereof S. Paul speaketh namely that you are the child of God and that nothing shall be able to separate you from the loue of God which is in Christ Rom. 8.38 Babylon is falne is falne Reu. 14.8 Praise honour glory and power be vnto him that sitteth vpon the Throne and vnto the Lambe for euermore Amen Reuelation 5.13 FINIS