succession of the Catholick Church for the defection of Henry the eighth who forcibly separated himself and his people from the communion of Christians which was promoted by Edward the sixth and Elizabeth who being pertinaceous and impenitent in the same Rebellion and Usurpation therefore the Pope incited by the continual perswasions of many and by the suppliant prayers of the English men themselves N. B. hath dealt with diverse Princes and specially the most potent King of Spain to depose that woman and punish her pernicious adherents in that Kingdom Read the rest there for though wicked its worth the reading The Pope there saith that Pope Sixtus before him prescribed the Queen and took from her all her Dignities Titles and Rights to the Kingdom of England and Ireland absolving her subjects from the Oath of fidelity and obedience He chargeth all men on pain of the wrath of God that they offord her no favour help or aid but use all their strength to bring her to punishment and that all the English join with the Spaniard as soon as he is landed offering rewards and pardon of sins to them that will lay hands on the Queen and so shewing on what Conditions he gave the Kingdom to Philip of Spain This and more you may see in Thuanus And yet some of our Juglers that say they are no Papists perswade the world that Papists hold not the deposing of Princes nor absolving their subjects from the Oaths of fidelity and that the Spanish invasion was meerly on Civil accounts and that they expected not any English Papists to assist them with other such impudent assertions Even Dominicus Bannes one of the best of them in Thom. 22. qu. 12. art 2. saith that Quando adest evidens notitia c. i. e. When there is evident knowledge of the crime subjects may lawfully exempt themselves from the Power of their Princes before any declaratory sentence of a judge so they have but strength to do it Adding to excuse the English Papists for being no worse that Hence it follows that the faithfull Papists of England and Saxony are to be excused that do not free themselves from the power of their Superiors nor make war against them because commonly they are not strong enough to manage these wars and great dangers hang over them Princes may see now how far the Papists are to be trusted Even as far as they are sufficiently disabled And their August Triumphus saith de Potest Eccles qu. 46. art 2. Dubium non est quin Papa possit omnes Reges cum subest causa rationabilis deponere i. e. There is no doubt but the Pope may depose all Kings when there is reasonable cause for it Is not this a Vice christ and a Vice-god with a witness Add but to this that the Pope is Judge when the cause is Reasonable for no doubt but he must judge if he must execute and then you have a Pope in his colours even in his Universal Soveraignty Spiritual and Temporall And as I said before from Suarez and others when the Pope hath deposed a King any man may kill him I will not trouble you with Mariana's directions for poysoning him or secretly dispatching him de Reg. instit lib. 1. cap. 7. Suarez his moderate conclusion is enough Defens fid Cathol li. 6 c. 4. sect 14. Post sententiam c. After sentence past he is altogether deprived of his Kingdom so that he cannot by just title possess it therefore from thence forward he may be handled as a meer tyrant and consequently any private man may kill him O Learned Suarez No wonder if you and your Profession be dear to Princes and if Henry the fourth of France took down the Pillar of your infamy and received you into his Kingdom and Heart again No wonder if the Venetians at last have re-admitted you to procure some aid against the Turk I will conclude with one Testimony of a Roman Rabbi cited by Bishop Usher who knew his name but would not do him the honour to name him It is B. P. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Epistol J. R. impresan 1609. Who hath excused the Powder-Plot from the Imputation of cruelty because both Seeds and Root of an evil herb must be destroyed and doth add a derision of the simplicity of the King in imposing on them the oath of Allegiance in these most memorable expressions worthy to be engraven on a Marble Pillar Sed vide in tanta astutia quanta sit simplicitas c. But see what simplcity here is in so great craft When he had placed all his security in that Oath ho thought he had framed such a manner of oath with so many circumstances which no man could any way dissolve with a safe conscience But he could not see that if the Pope dissolve the Oath all its knots whether of being faithfull to the King or of admitting no Dispensation are accordingly dissolved Yea I will say a thing more admirable You know I believe that an unjust Oath if it be evidently known to be such or openly declared such obligeth no man That the Kings oath is unjust is sufficiently declared by the Pastor of the Church himself You see now that the Obligation of it is vanished into smoak and that the bond which so many wise men thought was made of iron is less then straw These are the words of Papists themselves From their published writings we tell you their Religion I know they will here again tell us abundance of false accusations of the Protestants such as the Image of both Churches heapeth up and they will tell us of our war and killing the King in England But of this I have given them their answer before To which I add 1. The Protestant doctrine expressed in the Confessions of all their Churches and in the constant stream of their writers is for obedience to the Soveraign Powers and against resisting them upon any pretenses of Heresie or Excommunication or such like 2. The wars in England were raised between a King and Parliament that joyned together did constitute the Highest Power and upon the lamentable division occasioned by the Papists the people were many of them uncertain which part was the Higher and of greatest Authority some thought the King and others thought the Parliament as being the Representative body of the people in whom Polititians say is the Majestas Realis and the Highest Judicature and having the chief part in Legislation and Declaration what is just or unjust what is Law and what is against Law Had we all been resolved in England which side was by Law the Higher Power here had been no war So that here was no avowed resisting of the Higher Powers None but a Parliament could have drawn an Army of Protestants here under their banner 3. And withall that very Parliament consisting of Nobles Knights Gentlemen and Lawyers who all declared to the people that by Law they were bound to obey and assist them
hath Articles besides those of the Creed But the Synod of Dort hath more But those in the Bull are new as Dr. Rivet will have it But very many learned men think otherwise that they are not new if they be rightly understood and that this appeareth by the places both of holy Scripture and of such as have ever been of great authority in the Church which are cited in the Margin of the Canons of Trent Pag. 35. And this is it which the Synod of Trent saith that in that Sacrament Jesus Christ true God truly man is really substantially conteined under the form of those sensible things yet not according to the naturall manner of existing but Sacramentally and by that way of existing which though we cannot express in words yet may we by cogitation illustrated by faith be certain that to God it is possible And the Council hath found words to express it that there is made a change of the whole substance of the bread into the Body and the whole substance of Wine into the Blood which conversion the Catholick Church calleth Transubstantiation Pag. 79. When the Synod of Trent saith that the Sacrament is to be adored with Divine worship it intends no more but that the Son of God himself is to be adored I le add no more but that which tells you who is a Papist with the Grotians and who is none Pag. 15. In that Epistle Grotius by Papists meant those that without any difference do approve of all the sayings and doings of Popes for honor or lucre sake as is usual Ibid. He tells us that by Papists he meaneth not them That saving the right of Kings and Bishops do give to the Pope or Bishop of Rome that Primacy which ancient custom and Canons and the Edicts of ancient Emperors and Kings assign them Which Primacy is not so much the Bishops as the very Roman Churches preferred before all other by common consent It 's well it hath so mutable a foundation so Liberius the Bishop being so lapsed that he was dead to the Church the Church of Rome retained its right and defended the cause of the Universal Church This and much more I had given the Reader before in Latine but because Mr. Pierce thinks that I wrong Grotius if you have it not in English I have born so much respect to his words and to the Reader as to remove the wrong and thus far to satisfie his desire Having told you some of the Occasion of this writing I shall add somewhat of the Reasons of it but the less because I have given you so much of them already in my foresaid Discovery of the Grotian Religion 1. My principal Reason is that before expressed that Popery may be pulled up by the very roots For Italians French and all build on this that the Church must have one visible Head 2. That I might take in those parties of the Papists that I have past by or said less to in the former Part of the Book 3. Because I see what Influence the conceit that I dispute against hath on the minds of many well-meaning less judicious people 4. Because I perceive in part what influence the design of Grotius had upon England in the changes that were the occasion of our late wars He saith himself Discuss pag. 16. That the labors of Grotius for the Peace of the Church were not displeasing to many equal men many know at Paris and many in all France many in Poland and Germany and not a few in England that are placid and lovers of peace For as for the now-raging Brownists and others like them with whom Dr. Rivet better agreeth then with the Bishops of England who can desire to please them that is not touched with their venom So that he had Episcopal Factors here in England And whereas some tell me that Grotius was no Papist because he professed his high esteem of the Church of England and say they had Church-preferment here offered him and thought to have accepted it I answer 1. Either it was Grotius in the first Edition or the Church of England in the second Edition then in the Press that this must be spoken of if true 2. Was not Franciscus a Sancta Clara still the Queens ghostly Father a Papist for all he reconciled the Doctrine of the Church of England to that of Rome Grotius and he did plainly manage the same design 3. Mr. Pierce assures you by his Defence that Grotius hath still his followers in England of the party that he called the Church of England And is it any more proof that Grotius was a Protestant for joyning with them then that they are Papists that joyn with him Is not his Doctrine here given you in his Englished words Do you doubt whether the Council of Trent were Papists This makes me remember the words of the late King to the Marquess of Worcester when the Marbuess came into the room to an appointed conference about religion with him leaned on D. Bayly's arm he told the King that he came leaning on a Doctor of his own Church and the King replyed My Lord I know not whether I should think the better of you for the Doctors sake or the worse of the Doctor for your sake or to this purpose And indeed the Doctor quickly shew'd by professing himself a Papist what an Episcopal Divine he was And I think we have as fair advantage to resolve us whether to think the better of Grotius for the Church of Englands sake or the worse of those that he called the Church of England and that were of his mind for Grotius sake In a late Treatise De Antiqua Ecclesiae Brittanicae libertate Diatribe written by I. B. a Divine of the Church of England and printed at Bruges 1656 pag. 34 35. Thes 4. it is averred That since the ancient liberty of the British Church was by the consent of the whole Kingdom resumed remaining Catholick in all other things it may retain that Liberty without losing its Catholicism and without any note of Schism or Heresie This Liberty then was the Reformation And this he saith was maintained by Barnes a Papist and Benedictine Monk and Priest in a M. S. entituled Catholico-Romanus Pacificus c. 3. and that for this sober work of his the Peaceable Monk though of unblamed life and unspotted fame was snatch out of the midst of Paris and stript of his habit and bound on a Horse-back like a Calf and violently carryed into Flanders and so to Rome and so to the Inquisition and then put among the Bedlams where he dyed and not contented with his death they defamed him to have dyed mad Though Rome give Peace no better entertainment the Learned Author thinks that France will and therefore adds concerning the French Church Quâcum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 optanda foret etiamnum veteris redintegratio concordiae quam constat plus mille ab hinc annis amicissime intercessisse inter
or Infidels that would creep into places of Council Command or Justice or any publick office If ever such as these should have a hand in your affairs or be our Rulers we know what we must expect The Reasons of our jealousies of such men are because we know that the design is agreeable to their principles and interests and we know it is their usual course and we find that such men swarm among us we hear their words we read their writings we see their practices for Popery and Infidelity The jealousies of many wise men in England are very great concerning the present designs of this Generation of men and not without cause We fear the Masked Papists and Infidels more then the bare-faced or then any enemy The men that we are jealous of and over whom we desire you to be Vigilant are these Hiders that purposely obscure and cover their Religion He that wilfully concealeth his Faith alloweth me to suspect it to be naught The chief of them are 1. The Seekers that have not yet found a Church a Ministry Ordinances or Scripture nor some of them a Christ to believe in 2. The Paracelsians Behmenists and other Enthusiasts that purposely hide themselves in self-devised uncouth cloudy terms and pretend to visible familiarity with spirits 3. The Vani whom God by wonders confounded in New England but have here prevailed far in the dark 4. The secret guides of the Quakers 5. Those that make it their business to argue against the Religion of all others but assert little of their own endeavouring to bring all men to uncertainties and loose them from the faith 6. Those that are still vilifying or undermining the faithfull Godly Ministry 7. Those that do secretly or openly plead the cause of Infidels which are alas too many whether ex animo or for promoting Popery time will disclose that deride the Scriptures and deny the Immortality of the Soul the Resurrection of the body or that there are any Devils or is any Hell 8. The Libertines that would have liberty for all that they can call Religion though against the certain Principles of Christianity and that tell us the Magistrate hath nothing to do with mens Religion of which anon 9. The Democratical Polititions that are busie about the change of Government and would bring all into confusion under pretence of the Peoples Liberty or Power and would have the Major Part of the Subjects to be the Soveraign of the rest that is the worst that are still the most and the ignorant that cannot Rule themselves and the vicious that are enemies and hinderers of piety and the worldlings that mind nothing but what is under their feet and have no time to think of Heaven they have so much to do on earth and as Augustine saith had rather there were one Star less in Heaven then One Cow loss in their Pastures these must be our Soveraigns 10. Those that under pretence of defending Prelacy and of uniting us with Rome do adhere to the course of Grotius and Sancta Clara and Unchurch all the Reformed Churches degrade all the Ministers that are not of their way while they maintain the verity of the Church of Rome and the validity of her Ordination and would have the Pope to be the Principium Unitatis to all the Church and the Western Parts to obey him as their Patriatch yea and himself to be the Ruler of the whole so he do it by the Laws of General Councils and deprive not inferiour Bishops of their Priviledges These ten sorts of men we are Jealous of and if ever you advance them into places of Command or Power it will increase our jealousies God knows I have no personal grudge to any of them But the Gospel and the souls of men and the hopes of our posterity are not so contemptible as to be given away as a bribe to purchase these mens good will or to stop their mouths lest they should reproach us As it is the common but a poor redress that after the Massacres of thousands the surviving Protestants have still had from the Papists viz. to disclaim the fact or cast it upon some rash discontented men which will not make dead men alive again So will it be a poor relief to us when these men are our Masters and have deprived us of all that was dear to us in the world that we escaped their ill language while the work was doing 4. We also humbly beseech you that you will go on with the purging and encouraging of the Ministry Casting out the Ignorant and Ungodly and countenancing those that are Able and Faithfull They deny their ease and dignity and the riches of the world which other employments would afford to encounter with Satan and the worlds corruptions for the happiness of souls And therefore the more oppose them and revile them and unthankfully requite them the more are you obliged for the sake of Christ and mens salvation to assist them All their enemies contending to surpass the Devil in impudency accuse them of Covetousness Idleness and Ambition as if these were the things that they seek after in the world If our practice seconding our profession be not enough to confute these calumnies of malignant men let this be added to confute them that we make it our earnest request to your Highness that all such Ambitious Idle Covetous or otherwise scandalous Ministers may be cast out You have Commissioners in every County for this work Require them to do it faithfully If we desired this much against our Reproachers they would say we persecuted them We desire you therefore but to turn this persecution against our selves We also desire you that you will not advance us to Temporal Honours or Dignities or Power nor make us Lord Bishops nor to abound with the riches of this world These things agree not with our caling We only desire food and rayment and necessaries to furnish us for our work and express some charity to the needy that daily expect it from us and we crave of you that we may be no richer We also desire you never to put the sword into our hands nor enable us to execute any of our private passions upon any nor yet to touch mens Bodies or Estates but only to manage the word and Keyes of the Kingdom of Christ upon mens Consciences and Guide his Church according to our office and let it prevail as God shall bless it This is all the advancement we desire We have doubly renounced all the world as Christians and as Ministers of Christ we have given up our selves to a difficult flesh-displeasing work we crave no more of you but so far to countenance us as Christ commandeth you and the good of our peoples souls requires And God will be judge between us and our malitious reproachers whether these requests are Covetous Ambitious or Unreasonable 5. We also humbly crave your aid for the procuring and maintaining an Union and Concord
license they conversed And being sent to preach they go to play the whoremongers And that there was scarce any one of the Holy Nuns without her carnall male Devotary by which they broke their first faith with Christ c. This was your Holy Church And li. 2. art 28. he saith That most of the Clergy mix themselves with gluttony drunkenness and whoredom which is their common vice and most of them give themselves to the unnaturall vice Sodomie Thus continually yea and publikely do they offend against that holy chastity which they promised to the Lord besides those evils not to be named which in secret they commit which Papers will not receive nor pen can write Abundance more he hath of the same subject and their putting their choicest youth into houses of Sodomie This book of Alvarus Pelagius Bellarmine calleth Liber insignis de Scriptor Ecclesiast Math. Paris in Henr. 3. p. 819. tells us of Cardinal Hugo's farewell speech to the people of Lons when he departed with the Popes Court Friends saith he since we came to this City we have brought you great commodity and alms When we came hither we found three or four whore houses but now at our departure we leave but one but that one reacheth from the East Gate to the West Gate O Holy Pope and Holy Church But Costerus the Jesuite easily answers all that I have said Enchirid. cap. 2. de Eccles that The Church loseth not the name Holy as long as there is but one that 's truly Holy Answ Is this your sanctity I deny your conclusion For 1. If the Head be unholy an essential part is unholy and therefore the Church cannot be Holy 2. One person is not the Matter of the Church as one drop of Wine cast into the sea doth not make it a sea of Wine and one Italian in England makes not England Italian nor one Learned man make England Learned And let the Papists observe that it is from the very words of their own that I have spoken of them what is here recited and not from their adversaries And therefore I shall be so far from believing the Gospel upon the Account that their Church is Holy that recommendeth it or from believing them to be the only Church of Christ because of their Holiness that I must bless God that I live in a sweeter air and cleaner Society and should be loath to come out of the Garden into the Channel or sink to be made clean or sweet but say that the travaller learned more wit that left us this Resolution Roma vale vidi satis est vidisse revertar Cum leno aut meretrix scurra cinadus ero 2 THE second Proof which they bring of the Holiness of their Church is the strict life of their Fryars as Carthusians Franciscans and others Answ Having been so long already on this point I will be but short on this branch In a word 1. I have no mind to deny the Graces of the spirit in any that have them Though travellers tell me lamentable stories of your Fryars Guil. de Amore and his companions said much more and many other Popish Writers paint them out in an odious garb yet I do not doubt but God hath his servants among them 2. But I must tell you that this also shews the Pollution of your Church in comparison of our Churches that Holiness and Religion are such rarities and next to Miracles among you that it must be cloistred up or confined to certain orders that are properly called Religious as if the People had no Religiousness or Holiness When our care and Hope is to make all our Parish Churches far more Religious and Holy then your Monasteries or Convents Yea were not this Church much more Religious and Holy where I live I think I should have small comfort in it 3. THeir third Proof of the Holiness of their Churches is their unmarried Clergy Answ 1. I will not stir too long in this puddle or else I could tell you out of your own writers of the odious fruits of your unmarried Clergy Only because the essential parts of your Church are they that neerliest concern your cause I will ask you in brief whether it was not Pope John the eleventh that had Theodora for his whore whether it was no Pope Sergius the third that begot Pope John the twelfth of Marosia whether John the twelfth alias the thirteenth saith Luitprandus and others of your own did not ravish maids and wives at the Apostolick doors and at last was killed in the Act of Adultery whether it were not Pope Innocent of whom a Papist wrote this distich Octo Nocens pueros genuit totidemque puellas Hunc merito potuit dicere Roma patrem And whose Son was Aloisus made Prince of Parma by Pope Paul the third And for your Arch bishops Bishops Priests c. I shall now add but the words of your Dominicus Soto de Instit Jure qu. 6. art 1. cited by Rivet We do not deny saith he that in the Clergy such as keep Concubines and are Adulterers are frequent 2. We have many that live unmarryed as well as you but not on your terms 3. We know that Paul directed Timothy and Titus to ordain him a Bishop that was the Husband of one Wife and ruled well his house having his children in subjection and that the Church a long time held to this doctrine and that Greg. Nyssen was a marryed Bishop But if you are wiser then the Spirit of God or can change his Laws or can prove the Holy Ghost so mutable as to give one Law by Paul and other Apostles and another by the Pope we will believe you and forsake the Scripture when you can so far bewitch us and charm us to it We believe that a single life is of very great Convenience to a Pastor when it can be held and that Christs Rule must be observed Every man cannot receive this saying but he that can let him receive it And whether Ministers be Marryed or not Marryed as many now living in the next Parishes to me are not no more then my self it is a strange thing with us to hear of one in many Counties that was ever once guilty of fornication in his life and if any one be but once guilty in the Ministry he is cast out though he should be never so penitent as any man that readeth the Act for ejecting scandalous Ministers and Schoolmasters may see As also you may there see that if he were but once drunk if he swear curse or be guilty of other scandalous sins he is cast out without any more ado And none are so earnest for the through execution of this Law as the Ministers If a Minister do but go into an Alehouse except to visit the sick or on weighty business it is a scandalous thing among us we do not teach as the Jesuites cited by the Jansenist Montaltus that a man may lawfully go into a
such a Church and Ministry as they predicate and yet have no conjecture which it is As if they should believe that there is such a creature as the Moon but be not able to know it from the Stars The second sort of Seekers are to seek whether there be any Organized Political Church or any Ministry or any Ordinances proper to a Church at all or not Not denying them but Doubting and Seeking that so when they have found them at Rome they may prove but Finders and not gross changlings And withall they yield that private men may Declare the Word and pray together and read the Scripture The most rational and modest that hath wrote for this way is the Author of Asober Word to a Serious People A likely thing indeed it is that so rational a man should heartily believe that Christ hath planted so excellent a Ministry and Church and Ordinances as himself describeth and to those standing necessary uses which he mentioneth even instead of Christ to take men into the holy Covenant and yet that all should be left but for an Age or two and that ever since there is no such thing or at least no certainty of it The Stile shews us that this Author is no such dotard as to think as he speaks 3. Another sort of Seekers are those that do not only Doubt of but flatly deny any Ministry and Political Churches and Church-ordinances on Earth as things that are lost in an Universal Apostacy 4. Another sort of Seekers do not only doubt of or deny these Particular Churches and Ordinances but also they are to seek for the Universal Church it self and the holy Scriptures yea many of them not only Questioning them but flatly maintaining that we have no certainty that the Scripture is true or that we have the same that was written by the Apostles or that there is such a thing as true Ministry or State of Christianity in the World Hence it is that some of them pour out so many reproaches against the Ministry and the Holy Scriptures as you may find in Clem. Writer in two ignorant Pamphlets that have scorn in the very Titles as well as through the bulk one called The Jus Divinum of Presbyterie and the other Fides Divina In which he maintaineth the cause of the Infidels The opinion which this sort of men openly profess is that no particular man is bound to believe the Gospel but those that have themselves seen Miracles to confirm it and therefore in the first ages when Miracles were wrought those that saw them were bound to believe in Christ and at the second coming of Christ when again he shall be witnessed by Miracles it will again become a duty to be Christians but not to others that see no Miracles however they may hear of them This doctrine Clem. Writer hath professed to me with his own mouth But I may not censure him to be so weak as to believe himself It 's possible that such a silly soul may be found that shall think that Christ came into the world to set up Christianity as the true Religion for those only in an Age or two or more that saw Miracles but it 's unlikely that a man that hath any considerable use of his reason should be so silly Who will not despise Christ that thinks he came on so low a design Who would not be an Infidel that thinks ten thousand Infidels are saved for one Christian Yea who can be himself a Christian that thinks that he is not bound to be a Christian because he sees not Miracles It 's most evident therefore that this is but a Juggle and that such are either Infidels or Papists Infidelity is the thing professed and therefore that we take them for Infidels they cannot blame us But yet in Charity I hope and not without cause that some of this Profession are but Papists though others I have found to be desperate Infidels A fifth sort called Seekers also there are that own the Church and Ministery and Ordinances but yet suppose themselves above them for they think that these are but the Administrations of Christ to men in the passage to a higher state and that such as have received the Spirit and have the Law once written in their hearts are under as they call it the second Covenant and so are past the lower form of Ordinances Scripture Ministery and visible Churches And a sixth sort of Seekers there are that think the whole company of believers should now be over-grown the Scripture Ministry and Ordinances For they think that the Law was the Fathers Administration and the Gospel Ministry and Sacraments are the Sons Administration and that both these are now past and the season of the Spirits Administration is come which all must attend and quit the lower forms The David-Georgians were the chief that taught the world this lesson their Leader taking himself to be the Holy Ghost All these sorts of Seekers are bred or cherished by the Jesuites and Fryars And the truth is when a man is made a Seeker he is half made a Papist As a Dog when he hath lost his Master will follow almost any body that will whistle him so when men have lost their Ministry Church and Religion they are easily allured to the Church of Rome For they are a body as conspicuous to a carnal eye as any other And who will not rather be of the Roman Church and Religion then of none 4. Another sort of Hiders are the Quakers an impudent Generation and open enough in pulling down but as secret and reserved as the rest in asserting and building up What interests the Papists have in breeding and feeding this Sect among us hath been partly proved from the Oaths of Witnesses and Confessions of Fryars and somewhat I have spoken of it in three several Papers against them The Doctrine of this fourth sort is the same or scarse discernable from the rest 5. A fifth sort of Hiders are those Enthusiasts that shun the affected bombasted language of Behmen and such like but yet give us much of the body of Popery Headed by an infallible Prophetick Spirit instead of the Pope Such as the Authors of the Book against the Assemblies Confession owned by Parker but said to be written by a London Doctor And many such Doctors I know and hear of abroad in England They take on them to be adversaries to the Pope but they are friends to his Doctrines and maintain the necessity of an infallible living Judge and send us to Prophets for this infallible judgement And could the Papists bring men once to this it 's an easie matter to strike off the the feigned Prophetick head by disgracing such as meer fantasticks and to set on the ancient Papal Head which only will agree with the Body which they have received So much of the Libertines and the Hiders of their Religion of several sorts 3. Another sort that are spawned by the Papists are stark
a General Council a faction might promote any heresie or carnal interest and no Churches would be so enslaved as those that send at the dearest rates Italy and a few more parts at Trent would over-vote all the Churches of East and South and set up what interest or opinion they please And so if one corner of the Church can err all may err for all the Council Where there is an equal interest there should be an equal power in Councils which will certainly be otherwise 4. If the Pope be he that must call General Councils we shall have none till it will stand with his interest And if he have not the power of calling them no one else hath for none pretendeth to it And if they must be called by universal consent three hundred years is little enough for all the world to treat of the time place and other circumstances and consent 5. And if the Pope must call them he will easily by the very choice of the place procure the accomplishment of his own designs 6. Those that think it the Popes prerogative to call a Council do also affirm as I before shewed in the express words of Binnius and others that a Council hath no more power then the Pope will give them and that when they are convened by him and have done their work it is all of no Validity if he allow it not If he approve one half that half is valid and his approbation will make their Decrees the Articles of our faith when as the other half which he disapproveth shall not be worth a straw And is it not a most foolish thing for all the world to put themselves to so much charge to defray the expenses of their Bishops and hazzard their lives and lose their labours at home for so many years and hazzard the Churches by their absence when for ought they know the Bishops of the whole Christian world do but lose all their labour and nothing shall be valid if they please not the Pope of Rome And is it not most abominable justice in him thus to put all the world to trouble and cost and hazzard the Churches and the Pastors lives for nothing when if the infallible spirit be only in himself he might have done the work himself and saved all this cost and labour 7. By what Justice shall all the Catholick Church be obliged by the Decrees of such a General Council Is it by Law or Contract If by Law it is by Divine Law or by Humane If by Divine let it be shewed that ever God made such a Government for the Catholick Church and then take all If by Humane Laws it is impossible and therefore not to be affirmed For no Humane Soveraign hath power to make Laws for all the world If you say is it by contract then 1. All those Nations that thought not meet to send any Bishops to the Council will be free 2. And so will all those be that sent Bishops who dissented from the rest For contract or Consent bindeth none but Contracters or Consenters And so England is not bound by the Council of Nice Ephesus Calcedon Constantinople c. 8. By what Justice shall any people be required to send Delegates on such terms as these to Councils or to stand to their definitions when they have done When our faith and souls are preciouser things then so boldly to cast upon the trust of a few Delegates so to be chosen and employed What Bishops other Countries will choose we know not And for our own 1. In almost all Countries it is the Princes that choose or none must be chosen but who they will which is all one 2. If the Bishops choose it s those that are highest with the secular power that will have the choice who perhaps may choose such as are contrary to the judgement of most of that Church that is thought to choose them Most Nations have a Clergy much at difference The Remonstrants and Contramonstrants in Holland would not have chosen like members for the Synod In the Bishops days men of one mind were chosen here in England to Convocations The next year we had a Learned Assembly that put down the Prelacy for which a Convocation had formed an Oath to be imposed on all Ministers but a little before And why should the judgment of the Prelates be taken for the judgement of the Church of England any more then the other when for number learning and piety to say the least they had no advantage laying aside ignorant ungodly men in point of number Till the Spanish match began to be treated on the Bishops of England were ten if not twenty to one Augustinians Calvinists or Antiarminians Now the Arminians would be thought the Church of England and their doctrine agreeable to the doctrine of that Church Would they not accordingly have differed if they had been sent to a General Council How bitterly are the Articles of the Church of Ireland decryed by the Arminian Bishops since sprung up both in Ireland and England so that if Delegates be sent to any Council they may speak the minds of those that sent them which perhaps is the King or a small prevailing party but not of the rest which perhaps may the best and most If Jeremiah of Constantinople be of a Council he will go one way If Cyril be of a Council he will go another way And his counterfeit Successor undo what he did 9. No Church that sendeth three or four Bishops to represent a thousand or two thousand Pastors can be sure how those Bishops will carry it when they come thither For ought we know they may betray our cause and cross their instructions They may be perverted by the reasonings of erroneous men or bribed by the powerfull And to cast our faith on so slender an assurance is little wisdom 10. If consent only bind us to the Decrees of Councils to submit to them as our Rule then is Posterity bound that did not consent as their Fathers did or are they not If not we are free If yea by what bond And then why do not the Grotians in Ireland and England obey the Antiarminian Decrees of the Churches in both Did not the Church of England send Bishop Carlton Bishop Hall Bishop Davenant afterward a Bishop Dr. Ward Dr. Goad and Balcanquall Episcopal Divines to the Synod of Dort and so England was a part of that Synod And yet the Grotians and Arminians think not themselves bound to receive the Doctrine of that Synod nor to forbear reproaching it 11. It is unjust that any especially most of the Churches should be obliged by the votes of others and oppressed by Majority meerly because their distance or poverty or the age or weakness of their Pastors disableth them to send any or an equal number or to defray the charge of their abode c. Ah if good Pope Zachary or Archbishop Boniface had considered that the essence or unity of the Church
whom the care of Religion is committed therefore it belongs to the Pope to judge a King to be deposed or not deposed You see here it is not Lawful for such Christians as the Papists to Tolerate you which may help your judgement in the point of their Toleration Si Christiani saith Bellarib olim non deposuerunt Neronem Valentem Arianum similes id fuit quia deerant vires temporales Christianis You have your Government and we our Lives because the Papists are not strong enough They tell you what to trust to Saith Tollet one of the best of the Jesuites li 1. de Instruct Sacerd. c. 13. They that were bound by the bond of fidelity or Oath shall be freed from such a bond if he fall into Excommunication and during that Debtors are absolved from the obligation of paying to the Creditor that debt that is contracted by words These are no private uneffectual Opinions Saith Pope Pius the 5th himself in his Bull against our Queen Elizabeth Volumus mandamus We will and command that the Subjects take Arms against that Heretical and Excommunicate Queen But their crueltie to mens souls and the Church of Christ doth yet much more declare their uncharitableness It is a point of their Religion to believe that no man can be saved but the Subjects of their Pope as I have after proved and is to be seen in many of their writings as Knot and a late Pamphlet called Questions for Resolution of Unlearned Protestants c. and Bishop Morton hath recited the words of Lindanus Valentia and Vasquez Apol. lib. 2. c. 1. defining is to be of Necessity to Salvation to be subject to the Roman Bishop And would not a man think that for such horrid doctrines as damn the far greatest part of Christians in the world they should produce at least some probable Arguments But what they have to say I have here faithfully detected If we will dispute with them or turn to them the Scripture must be no further Judge then as their Church expoundeth it The Judgement of the Ancient yea or present Church they utterly renounce for the far greatest part is known to be against the Headship of their Pope and therefore they must stand by for Hereticks Tradition it self they dare not stand to except themselves be Judges of it for the greatest part of Christians profess that Tradition is against the Roman Vice-christ The internal sense and experience of Christians they gainsay concluding all besides themselves to be void of charity or saving grace which many a thousand holy souls do find within them that never believed in the Pope Yea when we are content to lay our lives on it that we will shew them the deceit of Popery as certainly and plainly as Bread is known to be Bread when we see it feel and taste it and as Wine is known to be Wine when we see and drink it yet do they refuse even the judgement of sense of all mens senses even their own and others So that we must renounce our honesty our Knowledge of our selves our senses our reason the common experience and senses of all men the Judgement and Tradition of the far greatest part of the present Church or else by the judgement of the Papists we must all be damned Whether such opinions as these should by us be uncontradicted or by you be suffered to be taught your Subjects is easie to discern If they had strength they would little trouble us with Disputing Nothing more common in their Writers scarce then that the Sword or Fire is fitter for Hereticks then Disputes This is hut their after-game Though their Church must rule Princes as the soul ruleth the body yet it must be by Secular Power excommunication doth but give fire it is Lead and Iron that must do the execution And when they are themselves disabled it is their way to strike us by the hands and swords of one another He that saw England Scatland and Ireland a while ago in blood and now sees the lamentable case of so many Protestant Princes and Nations destroying one another and thinks that Papists have no hand in contriving counselling instigating or executing is much a stranger to their Principles and Practices Observing therefore that of all the Sects that we are troubled with there is none but the Papist that disputeth with us with flames and Gun-Powder with Armies and Navies at their backs having so many Princes and so great revenews for their provision I have judged it my duty to God and his Church 1. To Detect the vanity of their cause that their shame may appear to all that are impartial and to do my part of that necessary work for which Vell. Paterculus so much honoured Cicero Hist lib. 2. c. 34. Ne quorum arma viceramus corum ingenio vinceremur And 2. To present with greatest earnestness these following Requests to your Highness on the behalf of the cause and people of the Lord wherein the Papists also shall see that it is not their suffering but only our Necessary Defence that we desire 1. We earnestly request that you will Resolvedly adhere to the cause of Truth and Holiness and afford the Reformed Churches abroad the utmost of your help for their Concord and Defence and never be tempted to own an Interest that crosseth the Interest of Christ How many thousands are studiously contriving the extirpation of the Protestant Churches from the Earth How many Princes are consederate against them The more will be required of you for their aid The serious endeavours of your Renowned Father for the Protestants of Savoy discovered to the world by Mr. Morland in his Letters c. hath won him more esteem in the hearts of many that fear the Lord then all his victories in themselves considered We pray that you may inherit a tender care of the cause of Christ 2. We humbly request that you will faithfully adhere to those that fear the Lord in your Dominions In your eyes let a vile person be contemned but honour them that fear the Lord Psal 15. 4. Know not the wicked but let your eyes be upon the faithfull of the Land Psal 101. 4 6. Compassionate the weak and curable Punish the uncurable restrain the froward but Love and cherish the servants of the Lord. They are under Christ the honour and the strength of the Commonwealth It was a wise and happy King that professed that his Good should extend to the Saints on earth and the excellent in whom was his delight Psal 16. 2 3. This strengthening the vitals is one of the chief means to keep out Popery and all other dangerous diseases We see few understanding Godly people receive the Roman infection but the prophane licentious ignorant or malignant that are prepared for it 3. We earnestly request your utmost care that we may be ruled by Godly Faithfull Magistrates under you and that your Wisdom and Vigilancy may frustrate the subtilty of Masked Papists
and the unholiness of ours And 1. Of their Canonized Saints p. 214 217. 2. Of the strictness of their Religious Orders 3. Of their unmarryed Clergie p. 227. 4. Their Holy Ceremonies Chap. 35. Detect 26. Their demanding of us to tell them when every one of their Corruptions did begin p. 233. Their Novelty proved p. 234 c. A Confutation of a Papists M. S. on this point which was sent to Mr. Millard neer Sturbridge p. 244. Chap. 36. Detect 27. They charge us with New Articles for denying their new Articles of Faith and then bid us prove the Succession of our Negatives p. 258. Chap. 37. Detect 28. They conclude that theirs is the safer Religion because it is most uncharitable and damneth others and ours the less safe because the more charitable p. 261. They admit or save Heathens while they would damn Protestants proved p. 265. Chap. 38. Detect 29. They win the Great ones and multitude by suiting their Doctrine and Worship to the fleshly conceits and inclinations of ungodly men p. 271. shewed in twenty instances Chap. 39. Detect 30. They pick up the mistakes or harsh passages of some particular Divines and perswade men that these are the Protestant Religion p. 279. A Confutation of Cardinal Richlieu's twelve Accusations or Arguments against the Protestants p. 280 281 c. Chap. 42. Detect 33. Their pretence of a Divine institution and Natural Excellency of a visible Monarchical Government of the whole Church Detected p. 297. An Answer to the ridiculous Reasons of Cardinal Boverius to Prince Charles p. 297. Chap. 43. Detect 34. Their new device of receiving nothing as Scripture Evidence but the express words p 307. Chap. 44. Detect 35. They choose such persons to dispute with against whom they have some notable advantage p. 312. Chap. 45. Detect 36. Their designs to divide us or sow Heresies among the Vulgar and then draw them to some odious practices p. 313. About our late changes and warres and Heresies in England The Protestants and particularly the Presbyterians vindicated from their charge of killing the late King p. 321. Yet the case different from theirs p. 323. How Papists have crept into most parties p. 327. What Heresies and Sects are their proper spawn p. 330. Chap. 46. Detect 37. They Hide themselves in their Agents and new Converts The means Our danger by the Hiders The Detection p. 337. to 345. Chap. 47. Detect 38. Their exceeding industry to pervert men of Interest and power p. 345. Chap. 48. Detect 39. Their Treasons against the lives of Princes and the Peace of Nations and their dissolving the bond of Oaths and Covenants and making Perjury and Rebellion to seem Duties and Meritorius p. 348. proved from themselves their recrimination about the late Kings death further refelled p. 355. Chap. 49. Detect 40. Their last course is to turn to open Hostility and stir up Princes to war and blood p. 356. Chap. 50. Some Proposals to the Papists for a Hopeless Peace p. 364. The Contents of the Second Part. Quest WHether the way to heal the Divisions in the Churches of Christ be by drawing them all into One Universal Visible Political body under One Universal visible Head or Government Or whether the Catholick Church be a body so United and Governed Neg. Chap. 1. Shewing the Occasions and reasons of this writing especially as from the Grotians Mr. Pierce's exceptions manifested to be frivelous p. 379. Grotius speaking English to gratifie Mr. Pierce p. 383. Chap. 2. The true state of the Controversie and what Consociations of Pastors and union of Churches we grant p. 394. Chap. 3. Our Arguments for the Negative Fifteen Reasons against the Popes Soveraignty briefly named p. 402. Against the Headship of Pope or General Councils Argum 1. From the non-existence of an universal Head p. 404. Argum. 2. It never did exist much less in continued succession p. 406. Argum. 3. A General Council unnecessary impossible and would be unjust p. 409. proved to p. 421. Argum. 4. If assembled it could not possibly do the work of the Head or Soveraign p. 421. Argum. 5. None hath power to summon a General Council p. 421. Argum. 6. Pope nor Council have not the Legislative Power to the Church Universal p. 423. Argum. 7. Pope nor Council are not the Fountain of Power to all Church-officers p. 425. Argum. 8. In great Causes all may not appeal to them nor can they finally decide p. 425. Argum. 9. They cannot put down other inferior officers through the world p. 426. Argum. 10. 11. Our Relation to such a Head not Essential to our Christianity nor are we baptized into such a Head p. 127. Argum. 12. This Head no Principle anciently taught the Catechized p. 428. Argum. 13. 14. It is no Treason or damning sin to deny this Head Nor are all Christians bound to study the Laws of Popes and Councils p. 428 429. Argum. 15. 16. The Head of the Church must be evident to all the members and his Laws certain p. 430. Argum. 17. 18. Councils and Decretals must not be usually preached A Visible Head not agreed on among Papists and therefore as none p. 431. Argum. 19. No such Head revealed in Scripture p. 432. Argum. 20. The Scripture appropriates the Soveraignty to Christ only p. 433. Proved and the Objections answered Chap. 4. Opening the true grounds on which the Churches Unity and Peace must be sought and the means that must be used to attain so much as is here to be expected 1. The General Grounds p. 440. The true particular Grounds of Peace in twenty Propositions p. 442. What unity to be here expected p. 443. The Applications of the foresaid Grounds or the reduction of them into practice p. 453. The Conclusion p. 455. ERRATA PAge 24. l. 9. r. Platina p. 30. l. 9. r. Formosus p. 31. l. 19. r. Cardinals p. 58. l. 13. r. mean time p. 59. l. 5. 16. r. Filiutius l. 9. 25. r. 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What though some in England took the King to be the Soveraign and some the Parliament and soom thought it was in both Conjunct did this prove that you were more than one Common-wealth Answ Where the Soveraignty is mixt and not in either alone if any one shall set up the one as the only Soveraign and subject the other to them they change the form of the Commonwealth but do not set up two Commonwealths but if half take one for the Soveraign and the other half take the other for the Soveraign they plainly divide the Commonwealth into two if they do it only in mind and the secret thoughts of their hearts this cannot be known to others and so cannot be the ground of a Society but if they do it by a publike consent and practice they evidently make two Commonwealths What else brought us into a war which ended not till one party was subdued It is not possible that one Political body should have two Soveraigns specifically distinct Indeed it may have five hundred natural persons in the Soveraignty as in a Senate but they are but one Political person or one summa potestas 2. But I prove the Minor by another Argument Where there are two three or four Heads or Soveraigns at once numerically distinct there are two or three or four Churches But the Roman Church pretending to be Catholike hath had two or three or four Heads at once numerically distinct therefore it was two or three or four Churches The Major is a known truth to all that are verst in any degree in the doctrine of Politicks It is not only two species of Soveraignty but two individual Soveraigns that are inconsistent with the numerical Unity of a Political body Two or ten or two hundred may joyn in one Soveraignty as one Political person as I said but if there be two Soveraigns there are certainly two Societies for if both be Supream neither is Subordinate The Minor is not to be denyed for the Papists lay their very foundation on a supposed division for sooth Peter and Paul were both at once their Bishops And there is not many of them that adventure to tell us that Peter only was the Supream and that Paul was under him but they make them as equals or coordinate and some of them say that Paul was the Bishop of the uncircumcision and Peter of the Circumcision and then Peters Church is confined to the Jews And they do not tell us that one Headship was divided between them For then that example would direct them still to have two Popes or two Bishops to a Church so that Peter being a Head and Paul a Head they had sure distinct bodies But whether they stand to this or not they cannot deny their many following divisions The twenty third schisme as Wernerus a zealous Papist in fasciculo tempor reckons them was between Felix the fifth and Eugenius of which the said Wernerus speaking saith That hence arose great contention among the writers of this matter pro contra and they cannot agree to this day for one part saith that a Council is above the Pope the other part on the contrary saith No but the ' Pope is above the Council God grant his Church peace c. Of the twenty second schisme the same Wernerus saith thus ad annum 1373. the twenty second schisme was the woâ—st and most subtile schisme of all that were before it For it was so perplexed that the most Learned and Conscientious men were not able to discuss or find out to whom they should adhere And it was continued for fourty years to the great scandal of the whole lergy and the great loss of souls because of Heresies and other evils that then sprung up because there was then no discipline in the Church against them And therefore from this Urbane the sixtht to the time of Martin the fifth I know not who was Pope After Nicolas the fourth there was no Pope for two years and an half and Celestine the fifth that succeeded him resigning it Boniface the eighth entered that stilled himself Lord of the whole world in Spirituals and Temporals of whom it was said He entered as a Fox lived as a Lyon and dyed like a Dog saith the same Wernerus The twentieth schisme saith the same Author was great between Alexander the third and four Schismaticks and it lasted seventeen years The nineteenth schisme was between Innocent the second and Peter Leonis and Innocent get the better because he had more on his side saith he The thirteenth schisme saith Wernerus was between another and Benedict the eighth The fourteenth schisme saith the same Author was scandalous and full of confusion between Benedict the ninth and five others which Benedict saith he was wholly vitious and therefore being damned appeared in a monstrous and horrid shape his head and tail were like an Asses and the rest of his body like a Bear saying I thus appear because I lived like a beast In this schisme saith Wernerus there were no less then six Popes at once 1. Benedict was expulsed 2. Silvester the third gets in but is cast out again and Benedict restored 3. But being again cast out Gregory the sixt is put into his place who because he was ignorant of letters and yet infallible no doubt caused another Pope to be Consecrated with him to perform Church Offices which was the fourth which displeased many and therefore a third is chosen which was the fifth instead of the two that were fighting with one another but Henry the Emperor coming in deposed them all and chose Clement the second who was the sixth of all them that were alive at once But above all schisms that between Armosus and Sergius and their followers was the fowlest such saying and unsaying doing and undoing there was besides the dismembring of the dead Pope and casting him into the water And of eight Successors saith Wernerus I can say nothing observable of them because I find nothing of them but scandalous because of the unheard of contention in the holy Apostolike sea one against another and together mutually against each other Reader wouldst thou be troubled with any more of these Relations I tell thee nothing but from their own Historians and that which multitudes of them agree in I go not to a Protestant for a word But one Pope in those contentious times I find lived in some peace and that was Silvester the second of whom saith Wernerus as others commonly This Silvester was made Pope by the help of the Devil to whom he did homage that all might go as he would have it but he quickly met with the usual End as one that had placed his Hope in deceitful Devils Well! I shall now appeal to reason it self whether this were one Church that for fourty or say others fifty years together had several Heads some of the people following one and some another and the most Learned and most Conscientious not able
and what was the doctrine and practice of the Christians in their times and what Books they made the ground of their faith so that as true Universal impartial naturally-or-rationally-infallible History or Testimony differeth from a private pretended-prophetical assertion or from the Testimony of one party only so doth our Tradition excell both the sorts of Popish Tradition both that of the Papal and that of the Councill party And now judge who may better boast of or extol Tradition they or we and to what purpose Cressy White and such men do bring their discourses of Tradition 2. But yet we have not so done with them till Tradition have given them their mortal stroak You appeal to Tradition to Tradition you shall go But what Tradition mean you The Tradition of the Catholick Church And where is this to be found and known but in the profession and practice of the Church and in the Records of the Church Well then of both these let us enquire The first and great Question between you and us is Whether the Pope be the Head and Soveraign Ruler of the whole Catholick Church and then whether the Catholick Church and the Roman are of equal extent What saith Tradition to this 1. Let us enquire of the present Church and there we have the profession and practice of all the Greek Church the Syrians the Moscovites the Georgians and all others of the Greek Religion dispersed throughout the Turks Dominions with the Jacobites Armenians Egyptians Abassines with all other Churches in Europe c. that disclaim the Headship of the Roman Pope all these do with one mouth proclaim that the Church of Rome is not and ought not to be the Mistriss of the world or of all other Churches but that the Pope for laying such a claim is an usurper if not the AntiChrist This is the Tradition of the Greeks this is the Tradition of the Abassines the far greatest part of the Church on earth agree in this Mark then what is become of the Roman Soveraignty by the verdict of Tradition even from the vote of the greatest part of the Church Rome hath no right to its pretended Soveraignty Babylon is faln by the judgement of Tradition If you have the faces again to say that all these are Hereticks or Schismaticks and therefore have no vote we answer If a minor party and that so partial and corrupt seeking Dominion over the rest may step into the Tribunal and pass sentence against the Catholick Church or the greatest part of it blame not others if on far better grounds they do so by that part And for shame do not any more hereafter use any such self-condemning words as to ask any Sect How dare you condemn the Catholick Church Do you think all the Church is forsaken but you c And let us ask you as you teach your followers to ask us If we must turn from the Universal Church to any Sect why rather to yours then another why not as well to the Anabaptists or other party as to the Papists But your common saying is that the Greeks Protestants and all the rest were once of your Church and departing from it they can have no Tradition but yours for their spring is with you To which we answer 1. The vanity of this your fiction shall by and by be answered by it self 2. You say so and they say otherwise why should we believe you that are a smaller partial and corrupted part 3. Well then let us go to former ages seeing it is not the present Church whose voice you will regard only by the way I pray forget not 1. That you do ill then to call us still to the Judgement of the present Church and dare not stand to it 2. And that you do ill to perswade men that the greater part of the Church cannot err if you sentence the greater part as Schismaticks or Revolters But how shall we know the way and mind of the ages past If by the present age then the greater part giveth us in their sence against you If by the Records of those times we are content to hear the Testimony of these And first when we look into the Antients themselves we find them generally against you and we find in that which is antiquity indeed no footsteps of your usurped Soveraignty but a contrary frame of Government and a consent of antiquity against it 2. When we look into later History we find how by the advantage of Romes temporal greatness and the Emperors residence there your greatness begun and preparation was made to your usurpation and how the translation of the Imperial Seat to Constantinople made them your Competitors yea to begin in the claim of an universal Headship and we find how it being once made a question you got it by a murdering Emperor resolved on your side for his own advantage We find that it was long even till Hildebrands dayes before you could get any great possession for all this sentence It would but be tedious here to recite our Historical Evidence we refer you to what is done already by Goldastus and Bishop Usher de statu success Ecclesiar and in his Answer to the Jesuits Challeng and in his Discourse of the Antient Religion of Ireland c. specially by Blondel in his French Treatise of Primacy and Dr. Field and many others that have already given you the testimony of Antiquity More then you can give a reasonable answer to I have produced in my Book called the safe Religion In plain English instead of Apostolical Tradition for your Soveraignty we find that eight hundred years after the dayes of Christ you had not neer so much of the Catholick Church in your subjection as you have now that at four hundred or five hundred if not till six hundred years after Christ you had no known part of the world that acknowledged your universal Soveraignty but only the Latine Western Church submitted to the Pope as their Patriarch and the Patriarch primae sedis the first in order among the Patriarchs and that before the dayes of Constantine and the Nicene Council he was but a Bishop of the richest and most numerous Church of Christians and we see no proof that of an hundred years after Christ he was any more then the chief Presbyter of a particular Church If all this will not serve we have National Evidences beyond all exception that the Ethiopian Churches of Habassia the Indians Persians c. were never your subjects to this day That England Scotland and Ireland here in your Western Circuits were not only long from under you but resisted you maintaining the Council of Calcedon against you and joyning with the Eastern Churches against you about Easter day c. And that the Eastern Churches and many great Nations as Tendue Nubia c. that now are revolted were never your subjects and some of them had little to do with you And yet if all this will not serve
we have your own Confessions I have elsewhere mentioned some Canus Loc. Theol. lib. 6. cap. 7. fol. 201. saith Not only the Greeks but almost all the rest of the Bishops of the whole world have vehemently fought to destroy the Priviledge of the Church of Rome and indeed they had on their side both the Arms of Emperors and the greater number of Churches and yet they could never prevail to abrogate the Power of the one Pope of Rome Mark here whether the Catholick Church was then your subjects when the greater number of Churches and most of the Bishops of the whole world as well as the Greeks were against you and vehemently fought against your pretended priviledges Rainerius supposed contra Waldenses Catal. in Bibliotheca Patrum Tom. 4. pag. 773. saith The Churches of the Armenians and Ethiopians and Indians and the rest which the Apostles converted are not under the Church of Rome Read and blush and call Baronius a parasite What would you have truer or plainer And what Controversie can there be where so many Nations themselves are witnesses against you And you may conjecture at the numbers of those Churches by what a Legate of the Popes that lived among them saith of one Corner of them Jacob. Ã Vitriaco Histor Orient cap. 77. that the Churches in the Easterly parts of Asia alone exceeded in multitude the Christians both of the Greek and Latine Churches Alas how little a thing then was the Roman Catholick Church If all this were not enough the Tradition of your own Catholick Church is ready to destroy the Papacy utterly For that a General Council is above the Pope and may judge him and depose him and that is de fide and that its Heresie to deny it and that all this is so jure that ne unquam aliquis peritorum dubitavit no wise man ever doubted of it all this is the judgement of the General Council of Basil with whom that of Constance doth agree And whether these Councils were confirmed or not they confess them lawfully called and owned and extraordinary full and so they were their Catholick Church Representative and so the Popes Soveraignty over the Council is gone by I radition but that 's not the worst For if a free General Council should be called all the Churches in the world must be equally there represented And if they were so then down went the usurped Head-ship of the Pope For we are sure already that most of the Churches in the world are against it and therefore in Council they would have the Major vote And thus by the concession of the Roman Representative Catholick Church the Pope is gone by Tradition So that by that time they have well considered of the matter me thinks they should be less zealous for Tradition CHAP. XXI Detect 12. ANother of the Roman frauds is this They perswade men that the Greeks the Protestants and all other Churches were once under their Papal soveraignty and have separated themselves without any just cause and therefore we are all schismaticks and thereforefore have no vote in general Councils c. A few words may serve to shew the vanity of this accusation 1. Abundance of the Churches were so strange to you that they had not any notable communion with you 2. The Greek Churches withdrew from your Communion but not from your subjection If any of the Patriarcks or Emperours of Constantinople did for carnal ends at last submit to you it was not till lately nor was it the act of the Churches nor owned nor of long continuance So that it was your Communion and not your subjection that they withdrew from 2. And as for us of the Western parts we answer you 1. We that are now living our Fathers or our Grand-fathers were not of your Church and therefore we never did withdraw 2. There were Churches in England before the Roman Power was here owned And therefore if it was a sin to change the first change was the sin when they subjected themselves to you and not the later in which they returned to their ancient state 3. And for the Germanes or English or whoever did relinquish you they have as good reason for it as for the relinquishing of any other sin If they did by the unhappiness of ill education or delusion submit to the usurped Soveraignty of the Pope they had no reason to continue in such an error Repentance is not a Vice when the thing Repented of is a vice Justifie therefore your usurpation or else it is in vain to be angry with us for not adhering to the usurper and the many corruptions that he brought into the Church CHAP. XXII Detect 13. ANother deceit that they manage with great confidence is this say they If the Church of Rome be the true Church then yours is not the true Church and then you are Shismaticks in separating from it But the Church of Rome is the true Church For you will confess it was once a true Church when Paul wrote the Epistle to the Romans and if it ceased to be a true Church tell us when it ceased if you can If it ceased to be a true Church it was either by heresie or Schism or Apostacy but by none of these therefore c. A man would think that children and women should see the palpable fallacy of this Argument and yet I hear of few that the learned Papists make more use of But to lay open the shame of it in brief I answer 1. The deceit lieth in the ambiguity of the word Church As to our present purpose observe that it hath these several significations 1. It is taken oft in Scripture for one particular Church associated for personal communon in Gods Worship And thus there were many Churches in a Countrey as Judea Galatia c. 2. It is taken by Ecclesiastical writers often for an Association of many of these Churches for Communion by their Pastors such as were Diocesan Provincial National Churches whereof most were then ruled by Assemblies where a Bishop Archbishop Metropolitan or Patriarck as they called them did preside 3. It is taken oft in Scripture for the Body of Christ the holy Catholick or Universal Church containing all true Believers as mystical or all Professors of true faith as visible 4. It is taken by the Papists oft for one particular Church which is the Mistris or Ruler of all other Churches And now I come to apply these in answer to the argument 1. If the Question be of a true particular Church we grant you that the Church of Rome was a true and noble Church in the daies of Paul and long after and thus Paul owneth it in his Epistle as a true Church And to the question when it ceased to be a true Church I answer 1. What matter is it to us whether it be reasoned or not any more then whether Corinth Ephesus Coloss Thessalonica or Jerusalem be true Churches or ceased In charity we regard them all
but otherwise what is it to the faith or salvation of the world whether Rome or any one of these be yet a true Church or be ceased I know not well whether there be any Church at Coloss or Philippi or some other places that had then true Churches And doth it therefore follow that I am not a true believer what would you say to such a fellow that should argue thus concerning other Churches as these men do of Rome and say e. g. If Philippi be a true Church then England are no true Churches If it be not when did it cease to be a true Church Would you not answer him What is it to me whether Philippi be a true Church or not May not we and they be both true Churches How prove you that And whether it be ceased or not ceased doth no what concern my faith or salvation further then as my charity is to be exercised towards them So say we of Rome It was a true particular Church in the Apostles dayes And if it be still a true Church what hinders but we may be so to But whether it be so or not is little to me It concerneth not my faith or Salvation to know whether there be any such place as Rome on earth or whether it were consumed long ago If a man were so simple as to believe a report that Rome was destroyed by Charls of Bourbon and never inhabited or had a Pope since he were but such a Heretick as Pope Zachary and Bishop Boniface made of Virgilius for holding there be Antipodes though further from the South 2. And if you take the word Church in the second sence for a Diocesan or Patriarchiall Church or Association of Churches supposing such forms proved warrantable the same answer serveeth as to the first 3. But to come to the true state of our Controversie If by a true Church you mean either of the two last that is 1. The whole Universal Church or 2. A Mistris Church that must Rule all the rest it was never such a true Church in Pauls dayes And therefore here we turn this argument of the Papists against themselves If the Church of Rome were neither the whole Catholick Church nor the Mistris of all other Churches when Paul wrote his Epistle to them then it is not so now nor ought to be so accounted But the former is proved 1. That the Church of Rome was not the whole Catholick Church then no man that 's well in his wits can doubt that reads what a Church there was at Jerusalem what a Church at Ephesus and Philadelphia Smyrna Thyatira Laodicea Corinth and abundance more Prove that all or any of these were parts of the Church of Rome if you can 2. Where doth Paul once name them either the Catholick Church or the Mistris or Ruler of all Churches or give the least hint of any such thing or mention any Pope among them whom the whole world was to take to be their Soveraign Head Is it not an incredible thing that Paul and all the Apostles would forget to make any mention of this priviledge or teach them how to use it or teach other Churches their duty in obeying the Church of Rome if indeed they had been made the Mistris Church Men that can believe what they list may say what they list But for my part I will never think so hardly of Paul and all the Apostles as to accuse them of so great oblivion or negligence And therefore I conclude Rome was neither the Universal Church nor the Mistris Church then not many an age after and therefore it is not so to be accounted now So that you see how easily this silly Argument shews its shame But though it concern not our main question I shall tell them further that the Matter of the Roman Church must be distinguished from its New Political Form For the Matter so many of its members as are true Christians are part of the Catholick Church of Christ though not the whole And for the form 1. There is the form of its severall parts and the form of the whole The form of any parts of the Roman Church that are Congregations or particular Churches of true Christiant may make those parts true Churches that is there may be many a true Parish Church that yet live under the Papall Yoak But as to the Politicall form of their Roman Catholick Church as it is a Body Headed by one claiming an Universall Monarchy so the form is false and Antichristian and therefore the Church as Papall must be denominated from this form and can be no better And this is our true answer to the question whether the Church of Rome be a true Church There are I doubt not among them many a thousand true members of the Catholick Church and there may be true particular Churches among them having true Pastors and Christian people joyned for Gods worship though I doubt there is but few of them but do fearfully pollute it and I am confident that salvation is much more rare and difficult with them then it is with the Reformed Catholicks yet that many among them are true Christians and saved I am fully perswaded especially when I have read such writings as Gersons Guil. Parisiensis Ferus Kempis c. And I think the better of Bellarmine himself for saying of Kempis de imitatione Christi Ego certe ab adolescentia usque in senectam hoc opusculum saepissime volvi revolvi semper mihi novum apparuit nunc etiam mirifice cordi meo sapit Bellarm. de Scripter Eccl. pag. 298. But the Pope as a pretended Universal Monarch is a false Head and consequently their Papall Church as such is a false Antichristian Church and no true Church of Jesus Christ And by the way I conceive you are thus to understand a clause in a late oath of Abjuration drawn up by the last Parliament to be offered to the Papists viz. that the Church of Rome is not the true Church that is 1. Not the whole Catholick Church but part of it as they are Christians 2. Nor a true Church at all as Papal and so formally as the Now Romish Church But all this is little to our main Question CHAP. XXIII Detect 14. ANother great Endeavour of the Papists is to edness unity consistency and setledness in Religion but we are still at uncertainty and to seek incoherent not tyed together by any certain bond but still upon divisions and upon change And they instance thus A while ago you were Episcopal and then Presbyterian and now you are nothing but every one goes his own way A while ago you worshipped God in one manner in Baptising Marrying Burying Common Prayer the Lords Supper and now you have all new Where is the Church of England now some of you are for one Government and some for another the Lutherans have superintendents the Calvinists are Presbyterians And what names of reproach do the Episcopal
Rob. Amstrowther Chaplain to the King of Englands Embassadors with the Emperour being at Vienna heard the Jesuites and other repeating confidently this slander of Calvin Whereupon he opened to them this Evidence against it and satisfied them of the flashood so that they told him they never knew so much before and promised him they would never mention it more If any would see the very words of their own Records and Doctor Vasseur he may read them in Rivets Sum. Contr. against Baily and again in his Jesuita Vapulans Cap. 2. And as for the life of Calvin after he forsook the Papists if you will but believe that the City of Geneva and all the Ministers and others that were about him in his life and at his death did know better then Bolseck a fugitive Apostate Papist that was his enemy and then far off you may see at large in Melchior Adamus and Beza the description of such a shining burning light as Rome hath not to boast of He was a man of admirable wit judgement industry and piety When he had forsaken his own Countrey for the Gospel sake and taken up in Geneva and planted the Gospel there with Farellus and Viretus at last the ungodly part getting the Head the Ministers were banished And so he setled in in another City The four Bayliffs of Geneva that banished the Ministers within two years were ruined by the judgements of God One of them accused of sedition seeking to scape through a window fell and was broken to death Another was put to death for murder The other two being accused of Mal-administration fled and were condemned Calvin is sent for and intreated to return to Geneva which by importunity and Bucers perswasion he yieldeth to There was he continually molested by the ungodly and loved by the good The Malignants whom he would restrain by Discipline from Whoredom drunkenness and other wickedness were still plotting or raging against him and called their Dogs by his name But shame was still the end of their attempts His revenge was to tell them I see I should have but sorry wages if I served man but it s well for me that I serve him that alway performeth his promises to his servants As for his work he preached every day in the week each second week and besides that he read three dayes a week a Divinity Lecture And every Thursday he guided the Presbyterie and every Friday at a meeting he held an Expository conference and Lecture so that the whole came to almost twelve Sermons a week Besides this he wrote Epistles to most Countries of Christendom in Europe to Princes Divines and others And he wrote all those great volumes of most Learned judicious Controversies Commentaries and other Treatises which one would have thought might have been work enough for a man that had lived an hundred years if he had done no other And many Hereticks he confuted and some convinced and reduced He set up among the Ministers a course of teaching every Family from house to house of which he found incredible fruit For all this his labour he endured the affronts contradictions and reproaches of the rabble yea and sometime hath been beaten by them because he would not administer the Sacrament to ungodly men that were rulers in the place he was at first banished and after threatned and continually molested by them and railing fellows set to preach and write against him And whether he were an Epicure you may soon judge He alwayes used a very spare dyet and for ten years before his death did did never taste one bit but at supper as his constant course so that every day was with him a better fast then the Papists use to make on their fasting dayes By this extream labour speaking and fasting and watching for he dictated his writings as he lay in bed much he overthrew his body and falling first into a Tertian and then into a Quartan after that he fell into a Consumption with the gout and stone and spitting of blood and the disease in the Hemorrhoid veins which at last ulcerated by over much fasting speaking and use of Aloes besides the head-ach which was the companion of his life In these sickness he would never forbear his labour but when he he was perswaded to it he told them that he could not bear an idle life And when he was near to death was still at work asking those that intreated him to forbear Whether they would have God find him idle Under all these pains of Gout Stone Collick Head-ach Hemorrhoids Consumption c. those that were about him testified to the world that they never heard him speak a word unbeseeming a patient Christian The worst was that oft repeated word How long Lord how long as being weary of a miserable world Witnesses he had enough for he could scarce have rest for people crowding to him to visit him On Mar. 23. he went among the Ministers to their Meeting and took his farewell of them there The next day he was wearyed by it but the twenty seventh day he was carryed to the Court to the Senate of the City where he made a speech to them and took his farewell of them with many tears on both sides April 2. he was carryed to Church and staid the Sermon and received the Sacrement Afterward the Senate of the City came to him and he made an heavenly Exhortation to them On April 25. he dictated his Will which I would his slanderers would read His Library it self and all his goods being prized came scarce to three hundred Crowns May 11. he wrote his farewell to Farellus May 19. all the Ministers came to him with whom he sate and did eat and cheerfully take his leave of them On the twenty seventh of May his voice seemed to be stronger and so continued till his last breath that day which was with such quietness as men compose themselves to sleep The next night and day the City Magistrates Ministers Schollars people and strangers were taken up in weeping and lamentation Every one crowded to see the Corps among whom the Queen of Englands Embassador to France was one He was buryed according to this desire in the common Church-yard without any Monument or Pomp and hath left behind him such a Name as in despight of all the Devils in Hell and all the Papists on earth shall be precious till the coming of Christ and such writings hath he left as are the comfort of the Disciples of Truth and the shame of the reproaching Adversaries Reader this is that Calvin that is so hated by the bad and loved and honoured by the good whom these Papists have called an Epicure and Sodomite and said that he died blaspheming and calling upon the Devil and was eaten with lice and worms Is not God exceeding patient that will suffer such wretches to live on the Earth What man could they have named since Augustine yea since the Apostles dayes that was more unfit
Whorehouse to exhort them from Whoredom though he hath found by experience that when he comes among them he is overcome and playes the Whoremonger with them Lest the vices of your Clergy should be laid open and punished you exempt them from the secular power and will not have a Magistrate so much as question them for whoredom drunkenness or the like crimes It is one of Pope Nicolas Decrees as Caranza pag. 395. recites them that No Lay man must judge a Priest nor examine any thing of his life And no secular Prince ought to judge the facts of any Bishops or Priests whatsoever And indeed that is the way to be wicked quietly and sin without noise and infamy But for our parts we do not only subject our selves and all our actions to the tryal of Princes and the lowest Justice of Peace as far as the Law gives him power but we call out to Rulers daily to look more strictly to the Ministry and suffer not one that is ungodly or scandalous in the Church And if one such be known our Godly people will all set against him and will not rest till they cast him out in times when there is opportunity for it and get a better in his stead The whole Countrey knows the Truth of this If you say as the Quakers do that yet the most among us are ungodly I answer that Those among us that are known ungodly and scandalous are not owned by us nor are members of our Church or admitted to the Lords Supper in those Congregations that exercise Church-discipline but they are only as Catechuments whom we preach to and instruct if not cast out Your eighth General Council at Constantinople Can. 14. decreed that Ministers must not fall down to Princes nor eat at their Tables nor debase themselves to them but Emperors must take them as Equals But we are so far from establishing Pride and Arrogancie by a Law that though we hate servile flattery and man-pleasing yet we think it our duty to be the servants of all and to condescend to men of low estate and much more to honour our Superiors and God in them The same Council decreed Canon 21. that None must compose any Accusations against the Pope No marvail then if all Popes go for Innocents But we are lyable to the accusations of any And because you charge our Churches with Unholiness and that with such an height of Impudency as I am certain the Divel himself doth not believe you that provokes you to it even that there is not One Good among us nor one that hath Charity nor can be saved unless by turning Papist I shall therefore go a little higher and tell you that I doubt not but the Churches in England where I live are purer far than those were in the dayes of Augustine Hierom c. yea and that the Pastors of our Churches are less scandalous then they were then what if I should compare many of them even to St. Augustine St. Hierom and such others both in Doctrine and Holiness of Life should I do so I know you would account it arrogancy but yet I will presume to make some comparison and leave you to Judge impartially if you can As for the Heavenliness of their writings let but some of ours be compared with them and you will see at least that they spake by the same spirit and for their Commentaries on Scripture did we miss it as oft as Ambrose Hierom and many more we should bring our selves very low in the esteem of the Church Even your Cajetane doth more boldly censure the Fathers Commentaries then this comes to And as to our lives the Lord knows that I have no pleasure in opening any of the faults of his Saints nor shall I mention any but what are confessed by themselves in Printed Books and mentioned by others and to boast of our own Purity I take to be a detestable thing and contrary to that sense of sin that is in every Saint of God But yet if the Lords Churches and servants are slandered and reproached as they were by the Heathens of old the vindicating them is a duty which we owe to Christ Those Ministers that I Converse with are partly Marryed and partly unmarryed The Marryed live soberly in Conjugal Chastity as burning and shining lights before the people in exemplary Holiness of Life The unmarryed also give up themselves to the Lord and to his service and I verily think that of many such that converse with me there is not one that ever defiled themselves by incontinency and I am confident would be ready to take the most solemn Oath of it if any Papist call them to it And for the people of our Communion through the mercy of God such sins are so rare that if one in a Church be guilty once we all lament it and bring them to penitence or disown them And were the Churches better in the third fourth fift sixt or following Ages I doubt not And I judge by these discoveries 1. By the sad Histories of the Crimes of those times 2. By the lamentable complaints of the Godly Fathers of the Bishops and people of their times What dolefull complaints do Basil Gregory Nazianz. and Greg. Nyssen and Chrysostom Austin c. make it were too long to recite their words What complaints made Gildas of the Brittish Church What a doleful description have we of the Christian Pastors and People in his dayes from Salvian through his whole Book de Gubernat 3. I judge also by the Canons and by the Fathers directions concerning Offendors For example Gregory Mag. saith of drunkards Quod cum venia suo ingenio sunt relinquendi ne deteriores fiant si à tali consuetudine evellantur And was this the Roman Sanctity even then And was this St. Gregories Sanctity that Drunkards must be let alone with pardon lest if they be forced from their custome they be made worse Then fairfall the Ministers of England If such advice were but given by one of us it would seem enough to cast us out of our Ministry We dare not let one drunkard alone in our Church-communion where Church-discipline is set up So Augustine saith that Drunkenness is a mortal sin Si sit assidua if it be daily or usual And that they must be dealt with gently and by fair words and not roughly and sharply If one of us should make so light of Drunkenness what should we be thought I cite these two from Aquinas 22. q. 150. art 1. 4. ad 4 m art 2. 1. Many Canons determine that Priests that will not part with their Concubines shall be suspended from officiating till they let them go Whereas with us a man deserveth to be ejected that should have a Concubine but one night in his life Gratian Distinct 34. citeth c. 17. of a Toletane Council saying that he that hath not a Wife but a Concubine in her stead shall not be put from the Communion His
Corrector reciteth the whole Canon thus If any Believer have a wife and a Concubine let him not Communicate But he that hath no Wife and hath a Concubine instead of a Wife may not be put from the Communion only let him be content with one woman either Wife or Concubine which he will He that liveth otherwise let him be cast off till he give over and return to penitence In an English Council at Berghamsted an 697. the seventh Canon is this If a Priest leave his Adultery and do not naughtily defer Baptism nor is given to drunkenness let him keep his Ministry and the priviledge of his habit Spelman pag. 195. King Alured in the Preface to his Laws tells us that except Treason and Desertion of their Lords the Councils of the Clergy did lay but some pecuniary mulct on other sins Spelm. pag. 362. All this shews that the Church then was much more corrupt then ours now in England Yea the best of the Fathers had such blots that I may well make their Confessions another discovery that our Churches are as pure and holy as theirs I will name but few of the chief because I would not rake into their faults needlesly who are pardoned glorified Saints in Heaven St. Augustine whilest he leaned to the Maniches had a bastard and confesseth himself guilty of fornication St. Hierom that was so vehement for Virginity and lived a Monastick life doth yet confess that he was not a Virgin St. Bernard that lived so Contemplative a life in his Serm. de beata virgine post serm 5. de Assumpt confesseth se carere virginitate that he lacked his virginity And though Bellarmine de scriptor Ecccles pag. 224. do from that only reason question whether it be Bernards yet it is in the second Tome among his undoubted writings and this reason is a poor disproof Now if one of our ordinary Ministers should be but guilty of such a sin though but once and that before Conversion no doubt but it would lye heavye on their Consciences and I am sure it would leave such a blot on their names that were never likely to be worn off while they live When we tell the Papists of their Licensing Whore-houses at Rome Bononia c. they commonly fly to the words of Austin lib. de Ordine saying Aufer Meretrices de rebus humanis turbaveris omnia libidinibus i. e. Take away Whores from among men and you will disturb all things with lusts Though this was written when Austin was but a young convert and it seems that he after changed his mind yet this shews that our times are far from the abominations of those and our Pastors are far more strict then Austin then was 4. As for the Holiness of their Church by Ceremonies as Holy Water Holy Oil Relicks Altars and an hundred such things I think it not worth the speaking of all things are sanctified to us by the word and prayer We devote our selves and all that we have to God and then to the Pure all things are Pure We neglect no Ordinance of God that we can know of and enjoy He is a spirit and seeketh such as will worship him in spirit and truth This is the Holiness that we look after But for numbring of Beads and Ave Maries and going pilgrimages and such inventions of arrogant men we place no Holiness in them as knowing that God desireth not a Mimical or Histrionical worship and that none knows what will please him so well as himself CHAP. XXXV Detect 26. ANother of their Deceits is by calling us to tell them when every one of their Errors did first begin and what Pope did bring them in or else they will not believe but they are from the Apostles To this Bishop Usher and abundance of our writers have answered them at large I shall therefore speak but these few but satisfactory words 1. It belongs to you to prove the continuance of your Opinions or Practices more then to us to prove the Beginning 2. It sufficeth that we prove that there was a time when your errors were not in the Church and that we can do from the Scriptures and the Fathers and oft have done 3. You know your selves of abundance of changes which you know not who did first introduce Who first administred the Lords Supper in one kind only dare you say that this was from the beginning Who first laid by the standing on the Lords day and used kneeling forbidden Can. 20. Concil Nicen. 1. and in other General Councils Alvarus Pelagius de planct Eccles li. 2. art 2 fol. 104. saith The Church bewaileth the sins of the people but specially of the Clergy as greater then the sin of Sodom For we see that faith and Justice have forsaken the earth The Holy Scripture and sacred Canons are accounted as fables He 's now a man of no knowledge that inventeth not Novelties You see that then Novelties were brought in The same Vincentius Lirinensis complaineth of And not only complaineth of but giveth Direction what to do in case that Novella aliqua contagio non jam portiunculam tantum sed totam Pariter Ecclesiam commaculare conetur If any novell contagion shall endeavour to stain not only a part of the Church but the whole Church alike And then his advise is to appeal from Novelty to Antiquity and not to the Pope or the present Church And withall he addeth that This Direction is but for new heresies at their first rising before they falsifie the rules of ancient faith that is before they corrupt antient Writers or can pretend to Antiquity and before by the large spreading of the venome they endeavour to corrupt the volumes of our ancestors But dilated and inveterate Heresies are not to be set upon this way because by the long tract of time they have had a long occasion of stealing Truth and therefore we must convince such antient heresies and schisms by no means but by the only Authority of the Scripture if there be need or avoid them Lirinens cap. 4 c. Were there not abundance of Novelties introduced when Augustine ad Januarium said that They load our Religion with servile burdens which God in mercy would have to be free with a very few and most manifest Sacraments of Celebration so that the condition of the Jews was more tolerable that were subject to Legall Sacraments and not to the presumptions of men These words of Austin your own Joh. Gerson reciting de vita spirit animae lect 2. par 3. addeth of his own Si tuo tempore c. If in thy dayes thou didst thus mourn Oh wise Augustine what wouldst thou have said in our time where according to the variety and motion of heads there is incredible variety and dissonant multiplicity of such servile burdens and as thou callest them of humane presumptions Among which as so many snares of souls and entangling nets there 's scarce any man that walks secure and is not
of Necessity to salvation or not I before cited the words of Albertinus the Jesuite I shall now give you many more and more fully which Frans à Sancta Clara hath gathered to my hands in his Deus Natura Gratia Problem 15. 16. pag. 109 c. And 1. pag. 110. he tells us himself that the Doctors commonly teach that a just and probable ignorance ought to excuse and that it is probable when one hath a probable foundation or ground as a Country-man when he believes that a thing is lawfull drawn by the Testimony of his Parish Priest or Parents or when a man seeing reasons that are probable on both sides doth choose those which seem to him the more probable which yet indeed are against the truth to which he is otherwise well affected in this case he erreth without fault though he err against the truth and so labour of the contrary ignorance Hither is it to be reduced when the Articles of Faith are not propounded in a due manner as by frivolous reasons or by impious men for then to believe were an act of imprudence saith Aquin. 2. 2. q. 1. ar 4. So that if the truth of Scripture be so propounded as to seem most improbable it is no sin to disbelieve it and if such are excused as by a Parent or Parish-Priest are seduced and that have not a due proposal of the Truth then it must follow that the Heathens and Infidels are innocent that never had Christ proposed any way to them and by their Parents have been taught Mahometanism or Paganism But what if I can prove that even the want of a due proposal is a punishment for their sin and that they ought themselves to seek after the truth and that it is long of their own sins that necessary truths do seem improbable to them will sin excuse sin And pag. 111. he telleth us That as to the Ignorance of things necessary as means to salvation the Doctors differ for Soto 4. d. 5. q. 5. l. denatur grat c. 12. And Vega l 6. c. 20. sup Trid. will have no more explicite faith required now in the Law of Grace then in the Law of Nature Yea Vega loco citato and Gab. 2. d. 21. qu. 2. art 3. 3. d. 21. qu. 3. think that in the Law of Nature and in cases in the Law of Grace a man may be saved with only Natural Knowledge and that the habit of faith is not required And Horantius being of the contrary opinion saith that they are men of great name that are against him whose gravity and great and painfull studies moved him not to condemn them of heresie in a doubtfull matter not yet judged O happy Rome that hath a judge that can put an end to all their controversies And yet cannot determine whether it be Necessary to salvation to be a Christian Yea saith S. Clara Alvarez de Auxil disp 56. with others seems to hold that to Justification is not required the knowledge of a supernatural object at all Other say that both to Grace and to Glory an explicite faith in Christ is necessary as Bonavent 3. d. 25. and others Others say that to salvation at least an explicite faith in the Gospel or Christ is required though not to Grace or Justification And this is the commoner in the Schools as Herera declareth and followeth it And for Scotus S. Clara saith I take him to be of that opinion that is not necessary as a Means to Grace or Glory to have an explicite Belief of Christ or the Gospel ut 4. d. 3. q. 4. he seems at large to prove Pag. 113. he adds What is clearer then that at this day the Gospell bindeth not where it is not authentically preached that is that at this day men may be saved without an explicite belief of Christ for in that sence speaks the Doctor concerning the Jews And verily what ever my illustrious Master hold with his Learned Master Herera I think that this was the Opinion of the Doctor Scotus and the common one which also Vega a faithfull Scotist followeth and Faber 4. d. 3. Petigianis 3. d. 25. q. 1. and of the Thomists Bannes 22. q. 2. a. 8. Cano and others And he gathers it to be the mind of the Council of Trent Ses 6. cap. 4. and adds pag. 113. Its effectually proved by the Doctor from Joh. 15. If I had not come and spoke to them they had not had sin I know the Dictors of the contrary opinion answer that such are not cendemned for the sin of Infidelty precisely but for other sins that binder the illumination and special help of God But verily the Doctor there argueth that the Jews might by circumcision be cleansed from Original sin and saved without the Gospel and accordingly he may argue as to all others to whom the Gospel is not authentically promulgate Else his reason would not hold And our most grave Corduba l. 2. qu. Theol. q. 5. subscribes to this opinion saying since the promulgation of the Gospel an Explicite Belief of Christ is necessary except with the invincibly ignorant to whom an implicite sufficeth to the life of grace but whether it suffice to the life of glory is a probleme but it is more probable that here also an implicite sufficeth Page 114. he addeth the consent of Medina re recta in Deum fide lib. 4. cap. ult and of Bradwardine fol. 62. that an Implicite belief of Christ is sufficient to salvation And pag. 115. he saith that this is the way to the end debates of them that think the Article of the Trinity of Christ of the incarnation c. are necessary to salvation though not to Justification and answering them he saith that such are not formally without the Church You see then formally Insidels are in their Church and may be saved in his opinion And pag. 116. after a blow at Vellosillus he citeth also Victoria Relect. 4 de Indis Richard de Med. Villa 3. 25. art 3. qu. 1. and others for this opinion And tells you what his Implicite faith is to believe as the Church believeth And page 118. he answereth from Scotus the Question Whether such persons may hold the contrary error to the truth that they are ignorant of and saith No out of Scotus while it is preached but in some one place till he know it to be believed as a truth by the Church and then he must firmly adhere to it Which the charitable Fryar applieth to England as excusable for not believing some of their Articles And he citeth Petigianis saying If a simple old woman shall hear a false opinion from a false Prophet as that the substance of the bread remains with Christs body in the Eucharist and believe it doth she sin because of this No This were too hard and cruell to affirm Pag. 119. he citeth Angles and agreeth with him that such as have no knowledge of these things to stir them up are
may say Take this is my House this is my Land which I deliver thee If you be among many Images in a room you will not blame him that saith This is Peter and this is Paul and this is the Virgin Mary 2. The Scripture often calls it Bread after the Consecration which you condemn us for therefore we are taught to call it so 3. The Scripture saith 1 Cor. 10. 4. That Rock was Christ and he saith I am the door John 10. 7. I am the true Vine John 15. 1. David saith I am a worm and no man Psal 22. 6. we believe all this But must we be therefore reproached if we say that David was a man that the Rock was Christ typically that he was a Vine and Door Metaphorically only And yet these are as plain as This is my Body and This is my Blood His fourth Accusation is The Scripture saith that Baptism saveth us and that we are cleansed and regenerate by the washing of water On the contrary you say that Baptism doth neither save us nor regenerate us but is only to us a symbol of salvation ablution and regeneration which is no where said in Scripture Answ A childish contest about words we say that two things go to our full possession of our state of Regeneration Justification and Cleansing One is our fundamental Right which the Promise of the Gospel gives us upon our Heart consent or Covenant with God the other is our Solemn Investiture in regard of the former we are Christians and Regenerate and Justified before Baptism In regard of the later we are made Christians regenerate justified saved by Baptism This we commonly hold and so never denyed what you falsly say we deny As a man is made a King by his Coronation that yet in a sort was one before or as Marriage makes them Husband and Wife by publick solemnization that were fundamentally so before by Private Covenant or as possession is given by a Key a twig and a turf as I said of that which a man had right to before so are we solemnly invested with those benefits by baptism which we had a fundamental Title to before Do not your own writers confess this of a man that is Baptized many years after he had Faith and Charity Do you think Cornelius and the rest that had the Holy Ghost before Baptism Act. 10. had not Justification before Do you think that Constantine the great was unpardoned unregenerate and no Christian till he was Baptized Or rather would you make quarrels against your own Confessions His fifth Accusation is Scripture saith that Priests do forgive sin on the contrary you say that they do not remit them but only testifie that they are remitted which the Scriptures no where say Answ As if Testification could not be a Remission We say that whose sins the Pastors of the Church remit they are remitted Do you not know that these very words were used to every Presbyter in our Ordination here in England We say 1. That Pastors do as Gods Embassadors proclaim his General Conditional Pardon unto all 2. That they are Gods Ministers to make a particular Application and delivery of pardon in Baptism on supposition that the Baptized be qualified for pardon 3. That they are as his Ministers to make the same Application by Declaration and Delivery in the Absolution of the Penitent on supposition that their penitence be sincere 4. And as Church Governours they may on good considerations sometimes remit some humbling disgraceful acts that were imposed on the penitent for the testification of his repentance and the satisfaction of the Church And are not these four concessions enough Or are you minded to pick quarrels that your selves and others may have fewel for the rancour and uncharitableness of your minds But indeed we do not think that any man can primarily as the chief Agent forgive sins but God must be the first pardoner Nor that any man can pardon the sins of the dead and abate or shorten the pains of the soul in a fire called Purgatory Here we leave you And verily if the Pope have power to remit but the very temporal punishment he is a cruel wretch that will not forgive men even good men the torments of the Gout and the Stone and an hundred diseases nay that will not remit them to himself no nor the pains of death when he is so loath to die But I forgot that the Pope hath no body to forgive him because none above him He that connot remit the punishments which we see and feel how shall we believe him without any Divine Testimony that he can remit a penalty that he never saw nor felt nor no man else that can be proved His sixth Accusation is Scripture saith If a Virgin marry she sinneth not but you say that the just sin in all works which Scripture mentions not Answ 1. Do you believe in your Conscience that the Scripture meaneth that a Virgin sinneth not at all in any circumstance or defect in the manner or Concomitants of her Marriage Then I pray tell your Nuns so that if they marry they sin not Tell Priests so that if they marry they sin not Your own reason can expect no other sense in the words but that Marriage as such is no sin to the Virgin And this we grant But yet if you think that in this or in any other work you see God as apprehensively and believe as strongly and restrain every wandring thought as exactly and Love God as much as you are bound to do by the very Law of Nature it self so that you are perfectly blameless and need not be beholden to the blood of Christ to the Mercy of God to the Spirit of Grace either for the forgiveness of these failings or the cure of them you shew then a proud Pharisaical spirit unacquainted with it self and with the Gospel Do you go on and say Lord I thank thee that I am not as other men and I will rather say Lord be mercifull to me a sinner and which shall be rather justified Christ hath told us The streams cannot be perfectly sinless till the fountain be so and Who can say I have made my heart clean I am pure from my sin Prov. 20. 9. For there is not a just man upon earth that doth good and sinneth not Eccl. 7. 20. Christ telleth us that the fruit will be like the Tree the actions like the heart and therefore an imperfect Heart will have imperfect duties If you dare say there is no remnant of sin in your hearts you have so much of it that hindereth you from seeing it Humility and self-knowledge would soon end this controversie We say not that all our works are sins that is either materially forbidden or done in wickedness and from vicious predominant habits But that the same works which Materially are good are tainted with our sinfull imperfections having not in them that measure of knowledge faith love c. as
Letters of the Agents of the Agitators from France telling us how good men the Jesuites were and how agreeable to them in their principles for a Democracy which they vainly call a Republick as if there were no Common-wealth but a Democracy and telling us what exceeding meet materials for such a Common-wealth the Jesuites would be The Agencies of particular men with Jesuites I shall purposely omit 11. Whence came it that all the maddest dividing parties had their liberty and the reproach and envy was most against the united Ministry and if the Lord Protector had not stept in they had been likely to be taken down 12. And whence came it that Sexby and others that have been Souldiers in our Armies have confederated with Spain to murder the Lord Protector And whence came their Jesuitical Treasonable Pamphlets such as Killing no Murder provoking men to take away his life Much more may be proposed tending to a discovery how far the Papists have crept in among us and had to do in our affairs But I think God hath yet much more in season to discover Truth is the daughter of time As concerning the death of the King I shall not meddle at this time with the Cause nor meddle with the Reasons brought for it or against it But suppose as bad of it as you can the Providence of God hath so contrived it that nothing but ignorance or blind malice can lay it upon the Protestants Episcopal or Presbyterian that strove so much against it and suffered so much for it as they have done When many on the other side charged the Scots and the imprisoned Ministers of London with those that were put to death for going too far on the other side in manifesting their distastes Of which I take not on me to be judge but mention it only as Evidence that clears them from the deed And to vindicate the Protestants openly before all the world and to all posterity from that Fact it is most publikely known 1. That both Houses of Parliament in their Protestations engaged themselves and the Nations to be true to the King 2. That they openly professed to mannage their war for King and Parliament Not against his Person or Authority but against Delinquents that were fled from Justice and against evill Counsellors 3. That the two Nations of England and Scotland did in the midst of the wars swear in the Solemn League and Covenant to he true to the King 4. That the Committees Commanders Ministers and people through the Land professed openly to go only on these terms as managing but a defensive war against the Kings miscarriages but an Offensive against Delinquent subjects 5. In that it was known that the Army was quite altered not only by a new modelling but by an intestine Jesuitical corrupting of multitudes of the Souldiers before this Odious fact could be done 6. And it was known that the corrupted part of the Army though the fewer did so excell the rest in industry and activity that thereby they hindered their opposition 7. And it is known that the Jesuited part that afterward so many of them turn'd Levellers did draw into them the Anabaptists Libertines and other Sects upon a conjunction of Interests and by many sly pretenses especially tying all together by the predicated Liberty for all Religions 8. And yet after all this the world knows they were fain before they could accomplish it to Master the City of London to Master the Parliament to imprison and cast out the Members and to retain but a few that were partly of their mind and partly seduced or over-awed by them to joyn with them in the work 9. It is known that before they were put out and imprisoned by the Army the Commons voted the Kings Concessions in the Treaty to be so far satisfactory as that they would have proceeded on them towards a full Agreement See Mr. Prins large Speech in the House to that end And if they had not suddenly been secluded and imprisoned they had agreed with the King 10. And it is well known to all that dwell in England that before and since the doing of it the thing is disowned distasted and detested by the main Body of the English Nation Nobility Gentlemen Ministers and people Yea to my knowledge multitudes that are now firm and loyal to the present Power supposing it to be set over us by God and therefore would abhor the like practises against them do yet detest that fact that intervened and made way to it So that experience may satisfie all men that Protestants even those called Puritans were the Enemies and not the Actors of it 11. And it is well known how the Protestant Ministers that had engaged in the war for King and Parliament were so great Adversaries to the putting of the King to death that they opposed it and disswaded from it and thereby drew the Odium of the Corrupted part of the Army upon them and that the London Ministers unanimously concuered in an Address to the Lord Fairfax to prevent it and printed their abhorrence of it and published it to the world And that many of them were imprisoned and Mr. Love beheaded and many others put to death or other sufferings for being against these designs and endeavouring to oppose the progress of them 12. And lastly it is known that the Kingdom of Scotland disowned it from first to last and so far proceeded in opposition to it and in adhesion to the ancient line as cost them the miseries of a grievous war and a conquest of their Kingdom I speak but of the matter of fact that is known to the world So that it is against all humane Reason and Equity that when we have all sworn to the contrary and endeavoured it and the Parliament men of one Kingdom are secluded and Imprisoned for it and the other Kingdom conquered for it and the Protestants still generally disown it that yet it should be charged on the Protestants or their Religion that they put to death their King This is most unreasonable in justice especially from those men that were the causers of it I do therefore leave it here to posterity having been my self a member of the Army four years or thereabouts that it was utterly against the mind and thoughts of Protestants and those that they called Puritans to put the King to death the twelve Evidences fore-mentioned are undenyable Arguments that it was the work of Papists Libertines Vanists and Anabaptists and that the Protestants deeply suffered by opposing it as the face of Scotland and England sadly testifie to this day And yet though we have such open Evidence that this cannot be charged on our Religion or us I must needs adde that every wise man sees that the Case it self much differs from the Papists If the Body of a Common-wealth or those that have part in the Legislative Power and so in the Supremacy should unwillingly be engaged in a war with the Prince and
that followed Grotius Arminius in doctrine and the Greek Church and were for a reconciliation with Rome on those terms which doubtless Rome would never have yielded to the interest that the Papists had among them and influence that they had on them or their proceedings is evident from what is said before and much from the copious Proofs produced by Mr. Prin in his forementioned Book Canterburies Tryal with the Introduct The Jesuites Letter cited by Prin ib. pag. 89. saith Now we have planted that Soveraign drugg Arminianism which we hope will purge the Protestants from their heresie and it flourisheth and bears fruit in due season The Articles exhibited in Parliament against many of the Bishops will tell you by their works who were the instigators of them Of themselves I know of none but Goodman that hath professed himself a flat Papist and I shall not think it my duty to suspect any one man of holding an Opinion which he professeth not himself unless the evidence be very strong to move suspicion But that many Papists were at work with them in that pretended Reconcilement Francis à S. Clara and divers others put us past doubt And that Papists crept into places in the Chruch under the garb of conformable Arminians is too well known It is no wonder therefore that Dr. Baily Dr. Goffe Dr. Vane Hugh Paul de Cressy and many more of them did opnely revolt when the game seemed to be spoiled that was plaid underboord It had been far less hurt to us I think if all the rest had been as open As for the King himself that was their Head if any conjecture that he was a flat Papist as I have heard many rashly say I think there is much evidence to confute them 1. That very Letter to the Pope forementioned on which the suspicion is most grounded if you mark it exactly doth intimate no more then a desire of a union and Reconciliation with some additions that may bear a tolerable sence 2. His own Profession of the Protestant Religion is sufficient evidence 3. His Disputation with the Marquess of Worcester cleareth it 4. His speech at death and Papers since published clear it more So that I think we may be confident that he was no nearer to Rome then was the reconcilable part of the Greeks and that he desired no more then Bishop Bromhal and other of his Bishops offer them to have the Church governed by Patriarcks and the Pope to be Principium Unitatis c. If any would know what Party Grotius was of I desire them carefully to peruse but these places in his writings which I have cited elsewhere Discus Apolog. Rivet pag. 255. pag. 7. vot pro Pace pag. 1 2 3. And of his friends in England among the Bishops in Paris and all France in Germany and Poland See Discus Apol. Rivet pag. 16. and my Discovery of Grotius Religion Yea for my own part I am perswaded that the Papists were as much afraid of King Charls and the Grotian design as of any thing that of long time hath been hatcht against them They are not all of a mind at home The French and moderate party no doubt applauded the design and liked such writings as S. Clara's and would gladly have married England and France in Religion But others the Italian Spanish Jesuited party might easily foresee what danger was in brewing for them Had France England Sweden Denmark and the German Lutherans agreed together to bear down the Calvinists as unreconcilable on one side as Grotius intimates it necessary and the Italians and their adherents that set up the Pope above a Council on the other side it would have made the Pope afraid as no doubt he was For though he was glad that we would draw neerer him and make him the Head in any sort yet he knew not how to stop so great an inundation as was like upon the union to over-flow him And hence was the malice of the Jesuites against the life of the King and withall that he was fain into such hands where he was like to do them little service Secret Windebanks Letter recited by Prin ubi sup tells us that it was the Jesuites that were the death of Father Leander and so were the Enemies of Francis S. Clara and his Book which caused it to incur a Roman Censure So that with one part of them that is the best way which the other is more afraid of then of Protestants We see it by the Jansenian contest We see it in that Cassander Erasmus Vives c. are excellent Catholicks with some of them and Heretical and vile with the rest 4. The persecuted Nonconformists of the Protestant party though they were most adverse to the Papists yet had some of the Popish brood at last crept in among them not only to spie out their minds and wayes but to head the party and sow among them the seeds of further discontent and error and to make them a Nursery for various sects For every where by their good wils the Jesuites will have some If you ask me for my proof of this I shall at this time give you but these two 1. The fruits that sprung up from among them and the manner of Production of which more anon 2. The words of the Jesuites Letter recited by Mr. Prin Introd pag. 90. I cannot choose but laugh to see how some of our own coat have re-incountred themselves you would scarce know them if you saw them and it is admirable how in speech and gesture they act the Puritans The Cambridge Schollars to their wofull experience shall see we can act the Puritans a little better then they have done the Jesuites they have abused our sacred Patron St. Ignatius in jest but we will make them smart for it in earnest I hope you will excuse my merry digression for I confess to you I am at this time transported with joy to see how happily all instruments and means as well great as lesser co-operate to our purposes Yet cannot I hear of any considerable infection among this party that way before Sir Henry Vane's dayes 5. How far they crept into all Societies under the name of Independants is opened by so many already in Print that I shall add no more of it 6. And it s a thing notorious that they have crept in among the Anabaptists and formented that Sect. The story of the Scottish Missionary that pretended himself a Jew and gave the Anabaptists the glory of his Conversion and Rebaptizing at Hexham and was discovered at Newcastle is published and commonly known whether he be yet in Prison or releast I know not And too many more have more cleanly plaid their game And though many of the more sober Anabaptists would not be so usefull to the Papists as they expected yet multitudes of them too far answered their expectations If you ask now what the Papists get by all this I answer you see in the Instance
but of this one sect and the products of it 1. By this means our Councils Armies Churches have been divided or much broken 2. By this trick they have engaged the minds and tongues of many and their hands if they had power against the Ministry which is the enemy that standeth in their way 3. They have thus weakned us by the loss of our former adherents 4. They have found a Nursery or Seminary for their own Opinions which one half of the Anabaptists too greedily receive 5. By this they have prepared them for more and worse 6. By this means they get an Interest in our Armies or weakned our own 7. By this they have got Agents ready for mischievous designs as hath been lately too manifest 8. By this they have cast a reproach upon our Profession as if we had no unity or consistence but were vertiginous for want of the Roman pillar to rest upon 9. By this they have loosned and disaffected the common people to see so many minds and waies and hear so much contending and have loost them from their former stedfastness and made them ready for a new impression 10. Yea by this means they have the opportunity of Predicating their own pretended unity and hereby have drawn many to their Church of late All this have they got at this one game What then have they got by all the rest I shall next tell you of some of those Heresies or parties among us that are the Papists own Spawn or progeny Either they laid the Egg or hatched it or both And 1. It is most certain that Libertinism or Freedom for all Religions was spawned by the Jesuites who hate it in Spain and Italy but love it in England I have met with the masked Papists my self that have been very zealous and busie to promote this Liberty of Conscience as they deceitfully called it For by this means they may have Liberty for themselves and Liberty to break us in pieces by sects and also Liberty under the Vizor of a Sectary of any tolerated sort to oppose the Ministry and doctrine of truth 2. But the principal design that the Papists have upon our Religion at this day is managed under a sort of Juglers who all are confederate in the same grand principles and are busie at the same work and are agreed to carry it on in the dark and with wonderfull secrecy do conceal the principal part of their opinions but yet they use not all one vizor but take on them several shapes and names and some of them industriously avoid all names The principal of these Hiders are these following 1. The Vani whose game was first plaid openly in America in New England where God gave in his Testimony against them from Heaven upon their two Prophetesses Mrs. Hutchinson and Mrs. Dyer The later brought forth a Monster with the parts of Bird Beast Fish and Man which you may see described in Mr. Welds Narrative with the discovery the concomitants and Consequents The former brought forth many neer 30. monstrous births at once and was after slain by the Indians This providence should at least have awakened England to such a Godly Jealousie as to have better tryed the doctrines which God thus seemed to cast out before they had so greedily entertained them as in part of Lincolnshire Cambridgeshire and many other parts they have done At least it should have wakened the Parliament to a wise and Godly Jealousie of the Counsels and designs of him that was in New England the Master of the game and to have carefully searcht how much of his doctrine and design were from heaven and how much of them he brought with him from Italy or at least was begotten by the Progenitor of Monsters Such extraordinary providences are not to be despised They had a great Operation in New England among those wise and godly men that saw them or were neer them and knew the wayes of them that God thus testified against That which healed them should have warned us But God had a judgement for us and therefore we were left in blindness to overlook that Judgement that should have warned us They are now dispersed in Court City and Country and what God will suffer them and the Papists by them further to do time will discover 2. The next sort of Hiders are the Paracesians Weigelians and Behmenists who go the same way in the main with the former and are indeed the same party but think meet to take another name and fetch their vizor from Jacob Behmen of their life of Community and Chastity and Visible converse as they profess with Angels you may see somewhat in the Narrative of Dr. Pordidge of himself together with Mr. Fowlers of him The most clean and moderate piece of their doctrine that hath been lately published is Mr. Bromleyes way to the Sabbath of Rest or Treatise of Regeneration 3. Another sort of the Hiders are those called Seekers among whom I have reason to believe the Papists have not the least of their strength in England at this day They practise the lesson that Boverius in Apparat. ad Consultat taught Prince Charls long ago Primum est ut quoniam vera Religio tibi inquirenda est antequam ad eam investigandam accedas omnem prius Religionem apud te suspectam habeas lubeatque tamdiu à Protestantium fide ac Religione animum ac voluntatem suspendere quamdiu in veri inquisitione versaris We must suspect all Religion it seems and be first of no Religion if we will become Papists A fair begining We must then be unchristned and suspect Christ and Scripture that we may be espoused to the Pope And this is the Papists work by the Seekers to take us off from all or from our former Religion and blot out all the old impressions that we may be capable of new And if they can accomplish this they have us at a fair advantage For he that is not a stark Atheist or Infidel but believes that he hath a soul to save or lose must needs know the Necessity of seeking his Salvation in some Religion or other and therefore take him off from this and you must needs bring him to some other And he that could prevail to take him off his old Religion is likeliest to have so much interest in him as may also prevail to bring him to another And the Papist thinks that on the pretence of Unity Antiquity and Universality of which indeed they have but a delusory shew they can put as fair for him that is once indifferent as any other can Of these Seekers there are these Sub-divisions or Sects The first and most moderate do only profess themselves to be Seekers for the true Church and Ministry holding that such a Church and Ministry there is but they are at a loss to know which is it A likely thing it is indeed that men that take themselves for extraordinary wise should think there is existent
Heathens Atheists or Infidels These carry their judgement as to the positive part as close as any of the rest and are grown in England to a far greater number and strength then is commonly imagined It is not only Leviathan or his Ocean that is guilty of this Apostasie however they use the name of Christ but abundance that lurk under several names A great while I knew not what to make of this close Generation but now I have found out that which should make a believing tender heart to bleed even gross Infidelity causing them secretly to scorn at Christ and the holy Scripture and the life to come as bitterly as ever Julian did And this is crept so high and spred so far that it is dreadful to those few that are acquainted with its progress Some that have lately professed to turn Papists for what ends I know not are known to be stark Infidels And some that have long gone for leading men with them have satisfied us by their writings that they are Romanists of the most ancient strain even of the Roman Religion that was ancienter then Peter and Paul And many of the unsetled sort of Protestants are so far forsaken of God as to Apostatize to the same condition Montaltus the Jansenian takes the Jesuites for false unworthy calumniators for giving out that they have long had a design at Port-Royal to overthrow the Gospel and set up Infidelity and meer Deism But I am sure they deserve much harder words of us in England between them for doing so much to destroy the Christianity of many in order to the setting up of Popery I do not charge it all and only on the Papists I know the Devil hath more sorts of Instruments then one But that they have had a notable hand in this Apostasie we have good reason to satisfie us Not that they desire that men should be absolutely and finally Infidels But 1. they would make the world believe that all must be Infidels that will not receive the Christian Faith upon the Roman account and terms And in order to this they industriously seek to disgrace the Scripture and overthrow all the grounds of the Faith of such as they dispute with And so make them Infidels in order to the proof of that their affirmation 2. And then they think that they must take them off all Religion as Boverius afore cited to prepare them for the Popish Religion 3. And the malice of some of them is such that they had rather men were Infidels then Protestants or at least they will venture them upon Infidelity in the way rather than not take them off from being Protestants And no wonder when they allow Infidels so much more charity then Protestants as to their salvation as all the Authors cited by S. Clara before do signifie And when Rome burneth Protestants but giveth toleration for Jews And thus by these Devilish devices the Hiders in England that keep close their Religion are discovered at last to be one part of them Infidels or Heathens and another part of them Papists And no wonder if they would lately have introduced the Jews here into England and if they have so many other designs to promote this Apostasie 4. Another sort that Popery hath here hatch or cherished are the Socinians a Sect with whom both Papists and Heathens do joyn hands as the Bond of their Conjunction Yet I know that they were not bred at first by Popery and I know that the genuine Papist that holds fast the Articles of their Faith must needs disown the Socinian But however it comes to pass I am sure there are too many of late self-conceited men innovaters in Philosophie that have reduced their Theologie to their novel Philosophie and expounded Scripture by such conceits as suit with the Socinians I shall say nothing of the Millenaries the Levellers and many such like But here in the close I would desire any Papist that is conscious of the promoting of any of these fore-mentioned abominations to tell us whether this be like to be the way of God Or whether Peter or Paul did ever take such a course as this to plant the Gospel or build up the Church And whether it be like to be the Cause of God that must be maintained by such means Is not their damnation just that say Let us do evill that good may come thereby Should not the means be suited to the end Hath the glory of God any need of a lie This course will never ingratiate your opinions with any wise considerate men This is but working with the Devil for God like one that doth consult with a Witch or Conjurer to find the goods of the Church when they are stoln Do you think God needs the Devils help Or is it like to be help that comes from him But the truth is it is your bad Cause that requires these evils means and it is your bad hearts that set you on work to use them Though you think perhaps that you do God service by it yet you know not what Spirit you are of Christ owneth not such ways as these and therefore his servants will not own them CHAP. XLVI Detect 37. ANother Practical fraud of the Papists is In hiding themselves and their Religion that they may do their work with the more advantage I shall tell you briefly 1. The way by which they do this and 2. The advantage they get by it And 3. Help you to detect them 1. The principal means by which they conceal themselves is By thrusting themselves into all Sects and Parties and putting on the vizor of any side as their cause requireth It 's well known that formerly we had abundance of them that went under the name of Protestants and were commonly called by the name of Church-Papists But there is great reason to think that there are more such now Some of them are Prelatists and some of them call themselves Independants some creep in among the Anabaptists and some go under the cloak of Arminians and some of Socinians and some of Millenaries and all the other Sects before mentioned They animate the Vanists the Behmenists and other Enthusiasts the Seekers the Quakers the Origenists and all the Juglers and Hiders of the times It is they that keep life in Libertinisms and in Infidelity it self Among every one of these parties you may find them if you have the skill of unmasking them 2. Another way of Hiding themselves is by having a Dispensation to come to any of our Assemblies or join in worship with any party good or bad Or else they will prove it lawfull without a Dispensation where the Pope interdicteth it not And their way is this that all the old known Papists especially of the poorer sort shall be still forbidden to come to our Assemblies lest they bring the blot of levity and temporizng on their Religion and lest there should not be a visible party among them to countenance their cause But
to be Papists 6. By this means they have easier access to a greater number then openly they could have 7. And by this means they may insinuate into our Counsels and know all our wayes and how to resist us 8. But above all by this means they may be capable of any office and trust among us They may be Ministers or Justices of Peace They may be Parliament men and Leaders in our Councils and have the conduct of our affairs They may have a great influence on the rest that know them not They may come to have power in our Armies And if once the Masked Papists come to make our Laws or guide our Councils and Affairs and influence or command our Armies you may soon know what would become of Protestants Kings and Parliaments Prelates and Presbyters shall all go one way if they can accomplish it It s easie therefore to discern that their principall Artifice lyeth in Hiding themselves so be it still there be a visible body of their open professors And for my own part I think I have good reason to fear lest the Papists are far stronger at this day in England that are unknown then that are known and that wear the Vizard of Seekers Vanists and other Sects then that appear bare faced Yea I believe that our danger of the open Papists is nothing in comparison of our danger from these Juglers And I confess I think an ingenuous open Papist should have a great deal more gentle dealing from our Magistrates then these Deceivers that have such stretching Consciences For my own part I must confess I feel a great deal of charity in my heart for a conscientious plain dealing Papist and I would never be guilty of cruelty or rigor to them But this jugling in the matters of God and Eternal life my very soul abhors I have been set upon by these Juglers my self and by some of the most renowned of them but as soon as I perceived any of them purposely choose the dark and hide themselves in affected cloudy terms or methods I was more a verse from their documents and took them for men that were either enemies to truth or else had not received it into honest hearts themselves Truth is most beautifull in its nakedness It loveth plain dealing and abhorreth fraud It takes that for its greatest friend that layes it most naked to the view of all and that for its enemy that purposely obscureth it We have all such a natural inclination to truth that he scarce deserves the name of a man much less of a Christian that would not embrace it if he knew it Did I think that the Papists had the truth the Lord knows I would run after them and follow them till I had learned it If ever any of them would work on me they must come bare faced for I naturally abhor a Jugler in Religion and a friend of darkness 3. But how shall these Hiders be Detected Answ 1. You have cause to suspect all that use a Mask and purposely hide their minds To suspect them I say to be Papists or worse They walk not in Gods way that walk in Darkness It is the Kingdom of Satan that is the Kingdom of Darkness and it is he that is the Prince of Darkness and his servants that are the sons of Darkness Me thinks a man that intendeth Deceit what ever his end be should not take it ill to be suspected for a deceiver God is so good a master that no body should be ashamed of him Truth is so amiable that the genuine sons of Truth are not ashamed of it It s no true Religion that assureth not men of that which will save them harmless and bear them out against all the malice of earth and hell and repair all losses that they can sustain in the defending of it Qui non vult intelligi debet negligi He that would not be fully understood shall never be my Teacher nor be much regarded by me And therefore the Vane and Steril language of Paracelsian Behmenists and Popish Juglers doth serve with me for no other use but to raise me into suspicion of their Designs and Doctrines and to signifie a Vaine and Steril mind Who will not suspect that Tradesmans weres that chooseth a dark Shop and refuseth to open his wares in the light I know that Scripture hath its difficulties and strong meats But that is from our incapacity of understanding higher points till we are prepared by the lower It is from the altitude of the matter and not that God doth envy us the truth which he pretendeth to reveal If a Prophesie be purposely obscured which concerneth not the world so neerly yet so are not the Doctrines that our life or death lyeth on But saith Clem. Writer to me recited in his late Book against me Would you not hide your mind or Religion in Spain Answ 1. No I would not whenever I found my self capable of serving God most by the discovery which is the common case 2. Till then I would not put on the vizor of any thing that I knew to be false and make use of Positive Jugling and Dissembling to hide my Religion 3. If Christians against Infidels or Protestants among Papists had thought this dissimulation lawfull there had not been so many thousands of them martyred or murdered as were 4. What Opinion is it that brings men in England into any great danger at this day Either your Opinion must be Atheistical or at least Infidelity if you suppose it will bring you now into any great suffering or if it be some small matter that you fear it seems you think not your Religion worthy to be openly owned in so small a danger I 'le never be of a Religion that is not worthy my openest confession even to the death when there is so much danger 2. The Jugling Papists may be known by this that they are alwayes loosening people from their Religion and leading them into a dislike of what they have been taught that they may be receptive of their new Impressions And therefore of any one Sect in England there is none to be so much suspected of a spirit of Jesuitism as the Seekers of all sorts 3. The Jugling Papists may be much detected by this that they are all upon the Destructive part in their Disputes and very little on the Assertive part They pull down with both hands but tell you not what they will build up till they have prepared you for the discovery They tell you what they are against But what they are for you cannot draw out of them As if any wise man will leave his house or grounds till he knows where to be better or will forsake his staff that he leaneth on or the food that he feedeth on till he know where to have a better provision or support Do they think wise men will be made irreligious They deal by the poor people as one that should say to passengers
did consist in a General Council that must be fetched partly from the Antipodes they would have thought better on it before they had excommunicated Virgilius for saying that there were Antipodes or quod alius mundus alii homines sunt sub terras Dr. Heylin tels us in his Geography Lib. 1. pag. 25. that Bede de ratione temporum cap. 32. calleth it a fable that there are Antipodes and not to be believed and adds that Augustine Lactantius and some other of the Learned of those better times condemned it as a ridiculous incredible fable whose words saith he I could put down at large did I think it necessary And did that age dream that the Being or Unity of the Church or the salvation of the Believers soul depended on this Article that a General Council partly called from the Antipodes must be the Churches Head or Governours or that the Pope at least must be acknowledged and obeyed by every Christian soul that will be saved at the Antipodes And Sir Fradcis Drake and Cavendish would not have been so famous for compassing the world if men had understood that when the Gospel is spread through the earth so many poor old Bishops must ordinarily take half such Journies or voyages to do their business If the Decree of the Council of Constance had been executed to have had a General Council evry ten years many would scarce have had time to go and come But the charitable Church of Rome hath found out a Remedy not only by the rarity of their Councils let them decree what they will to the contrary but also by condemning the most of the Churches and the remotest as Hereticks and sending them to Hell to save them a journey to the General Council 12. Moreover such Councils are unjust because of the multi tude of Bishops that must there meet and cannot be heard speak As the case standeth already there are many more Bishops in the world then can meet and speak and hear in one or two or three Assemblies And many thousand more may be made If I should say that all the Rectors of particular Churches whom they call Parish Presbyters are Bishops and have votes in Councils they would easilyer deny it then disprove it or invalidate the proofs already brought But to proceed on their own grounds me thinks they that make him a Bishop who hath Presbyters and Deacons under him should admit all those Pastors of particular Churches that have Presbyters under them as their Curates which are many Or if they say that only Cities must have Bishops yet must they on their own grounds admit a Bishop for each City And if every City in a few Kingdoms in Europe had a Bishop in the Council there would be no room for all the rest of the world But how prove they that Countrey Parishes may not have Bishops Why may not on their own grounds every four or six parishes have one Hath God forbid it where and when sure they will not say it is of Divine institution that a Bishop have just so many Parishes and Presbyters under him and neither more nor less The number is confest to be left undetermined And what if Christian Princes Bishops and people agree to settle Bishops in every such small number of Parishes by what Law can they exclude them from a General Council If they say by the Canons of former Councils I answer 1. Those Canons are contrary to Scripture 2. They contradict one another 3. They themselves do not obey the Canons of many such Councils 4. Those Councils have no power to make Laws much less Laws that shall reach to this time and place But they will say Pauls command to Titus 1. 3 5. and the example Acts 14. 23. is only of ordained Elders or Bishops in every City therefore they may not ordain them any where but in Cities But I deny the consequence Most ancient interpreters by Elders Acts 14. 23. Understand meer Presbyters And then it would as much follow that Presbyters must be ordained no where but in Cities What if I can prove that the Apostles never gathered a solemn Assembly of Christians for Divine Worship any where but in Cities or that they never administred the Lords Supper any where but in Cities will it follow that therefore we ought not to Assemble or administer the Sacrament any where but in Cities But what if this were granted they cannot deny but every corporation such as most of our Burroughs and Market Towns in England are may truly be called Cities in that Scripture sence And if every such City had a Bishop Even England France Germany and Italy a little spot of the world would make Bishops enough for two or three Councils and more then could Assemble and do the work Two shifts they have against the over-greatness of the number One is the course now taken to have but one Bishop over many Cities and a very large Circuit of the Countrey The other is to depute one out of many from every Countrey to represent the rest and so it shall be a Representative General Council though not a Real But for the first 1. Who hath authority to make such diminutions 2. What if those that are supposed to have that authority shall be otherwise minded 3. It s apparently against the word of God and tendeth to the frustrating of the Office that true Bishops should be so rare By their own Rule each City should have one And let Brerewoods Enquiries or any such writers help you to conjecture how many that would be And for the other way 1. A Representative General Council is another thing quite different from a Real 2. What word of God have they to prove such a Representative Council Doubtless none And will they give us a Church form and center of Unity meerly of their own brains upon supposition that it is prudential 3. Men are of exceeding different degrees of understanding and of different judgements actually so that if e. g. England should send one or two or ten men to represent the rest to a General Council it s more then possible that they may give their judgements in many points so far contrary to the minds of those that sent them that twenty or an hundred to one at home may be against them For we cannot send our understandings and all our reasons with them to the Council when we send them And so no man can say that any such Council doth express the mind of the greater part of the Church 4. By this rule you may reduce a General Council to a dozen men or to the four or five Patriarks For all the rest may choose them as their representatives 5. But it s not to be expected that all the Churches should be satisfied of the lawfulness or fitness of such substitutions and representations And therefore they will not consent or elect men for such a power and work And who may justly force them 13. Moreover such
being false Popes who are not to be written in the Catalogue of the Roman Popes but only for the marking out of such times And what kind of Cardinals Priests and Deacons think you we must imagine that these monsters did choose when nothing is so rooted in nature as for every one to beget his like And Genebrard that spleenish Papist li. 4. Sec. 10. saith In this one thing that age was unhappy that for neer one hundred and fifty years about fifty Popes did wholly fall away from the virtue of their ancestors being rather irregular and Apostatical then Apostolical So that the Church of Rome had not then either a Holy or Apostolical Head And Pope Adrian the sixth himself writeth De Sacram. Confir Art 4. that there have many Popes of Rome been Hereticks And two or three several General Councils did condemn Pope Honorius for an Heretick And if I should tell you but what their own writers say of the wickedness of the Roman Clergy in many ages and of the wickedness of the Roman people of the large summs of money that the Pope hath yearly for the licensed or tolerated Whore-houses in Rome you would think that the body of the particular Roman Church were neer kin to the Head and therefore not the Holy Mistris of all Churches But perhaps some will say that the Pope was holy because his Office was Holy though his person vicious Ans 1. If this be the Holiness of the Catholick Church mentioned in the Creed then the Institution of offices is it that makes it Holy and while the office continueth the Holiness cannot be lost 2. Then let them prove their Holiness by Saints no more 3. Let them not then delude the people but speak out and tell them that they mean such Holiness as is consistent with Heathenism or Infidelity Murders Sodomie and may be in an incarnate Devil Is this the Holiness of the Catholick Church Object But you may have unholy persons among you also that yet say you are of the true Church Answ But they are no Essential part of the Catholick Church which we believe and therefore it may be a Holy Church though they be unholy But the Pope is an Essential part of the Roman Church which they believe in and therefore it can not be Holy if he be unholy Object By this means you leave no room for the Church of Rome or any Papist in the Catholick Church which is truly Holy Answ Not as Papists so they can be no members of it But if with any of them Christianity be predominant and prevail against the infection of Popery so that it practically extinguish not Christianity then as Christians they may be members of the Church and be saved too but not as Papists CHAP. VII Argum. 5. THE true Catholick Church of Christ is but One The pretended Roman Catholick Church is more than One Therefore the pretended Roman-Catholick Church is not the true Catholick Church of Christ The Major is confessed The Minor I prove thus 1. Where there are two Heads or Soveraign Powers specifically distinct there are two Societies or Churches But those called Papists or the Roman Catholick Church have two Heads or Soveraign Powers specifically distinct Therefore they are two Churches The Major is granted by all Politicians who do without contradiction specifie Common-wealths and other Political Societies from the Soveraign Powers and so the Monarchical Aristocratical and Democratical are several Species The Belgian Common-wealth and the French be not specifically the same The Minor hath two standing proofs so visible that he must be blind indeed that cannot see them First there are the many Volumes that are written by both sides for their several forms Bellarmine Gretsor and the rest of the Italian faction proving that the Pope is the chief Power and above a General Council and the seat of Infallibility and not to be judged by any being himself the Judge of the whole world And the other party proving that a General Council is above the Pope and that he is to be judged by them and may be deposed by them If any say that they are but few and no true Catholicks of this Opinion I answer then a General Council are but few and no true Catholicks which yet is said by them to represent the whole Catholick Church For the General Council of Constance and of Basil have peremptorily asserted it and repeat it over and over yea the Council of Basil say Ses ultim that Not one of the skilfull did ever doubt but that the Pope was subject to the Judgement of a General Council in things that concern faith And that he cannot without their consent dissolve or remove a General Council yea and that this is an Article of faith which without destruction of salvation cannot be denyed and that the Council is above the Pope defide and that it cannot be removed without their own consent and that he is an heretick that is against these things See Binnius page 43. 79. 96. And Pope Eugenius owned this Council ibid. page 42. And for the Council of Constance Martin the fifth was chosen by it and present in it and personally confirmed it in these words Quodomnia singula determinata conclusa decreta in materiis fidei per praesens concilium conciliariter tenere inviolabiliter observare volebat nunquam contraire quoquo modo Ipsaque sic conciliariter facta approbat ratificat non aliter nec alio modo that is what they did as a Council and not what private members did you see then even General Councils representing the Catholick Church do not only say that a Council is above the Pope but make it an Article of faith and damn those that deny it What then is become of Bellarmine and the rest of their champions But perhaps you 'l say they are but few on the other side I answer yes Not only most Popes and the Italian Clergy and the predominant party of Papists but another General Council even that at the Lateran under Julius 2. and Leo 10. expresly determine on the contrary that the Pope is above a General Council So that here is not only an undenyable proof that General Councils are fallible by their contradicting each other and that there is a Necessity of rejecting some of them and consequently that the Foundation of Popery is rotten but also here is one Representative Catholick Church against another Representative Catholick Church and one Council for one Species of Soveraignty and another for another Species of Soveraignty So that undoubtedly it is not the same Church that had two heads of several sorts 2. And the Nations that are on both sides to this day are a proof beyond denyall of their division The French on one side and the Italians on the other and other nations divided between both So that the thing which they call by one name is two indeed But so is not the true Catholick Church Object
to know the right Pope nor know him not to this day If England were fourty years thus divided between two Kings it were certainly two Kingdoms But the true Catholike Church of Christ is but one CHAP. VIII Argum. 6. THE true Catholike Church hath never ceased or discontinued since the founding of it to this day The Church of Rome hath ceased or discontinued therefore the Church of Rome is not the true Catholike Church I prove the Minor for the Major they will grant If the Head which is an Essential part hath discontinued then the Church of Rome hath discontinued But the Head hath discontinued therefore c. The Minor only needs proof and that I prove 1. There have been many years interregnum or vacancy when there was no Pope at all And where then was the Church when it had no Head 2. There have been long successions of such as you confess your selves were not Apostolical but Apostatical 3. Your own Popes and Councils command us to take such for no Popes For example Pope Nicolas in his Decretals see Caranza pag. 393. saith He that by money or the favour of men or popular or military tumults is intruded into the Apostolical seat without the Concordant and Canonical election of the Cardinall and the following religious Clergy let him not be taken for a Pope nor Apostolical but for Apostatical And even of Priests he commandeth Let no man hear Mass of a Priest whom he certaiâ—ly knoweth to have a Concubine or woman introduced Caranza pag. 395. and ibid. he saith Priests that commit fornication cannot have the honour of Priesthood 4. But our greater Argument is from the authority of God and the very nature of the office An infidel or notoriously ungodly man is not capable of being a Pastor of the Church in sensu composito while he is such But the Popes of Rome have been Infidels and notoriously ungodly men therefore they were uncapable of being Pastors of the Church and consequently that Church was Headless and so no Church The Major I prove 1. Where there is not the necessary matter and disposition of the matter there can be no reception of the form But Infidels and notoriously ungodly men are not matter sufficiently disposed to receive the form of Pastoral Power therefore they cannot receive it The Minor is proved 1. As every true Church is a Christian Church it being only a Congregation of Christians that we so call in our present case so every Pastor is a Christian Pastor but an Infidel or notoriously ungodly man is not a Christian Pastor therefore not a true Pastor 2. Otherwise a Mahometan Jew or Heathen may be a true Pope which I think they will deny themselves 3. If any Disposition or Qualification at all be necessary to the being of the Pastoral Office besides manhood then is it necessary that he own God the Father and the Redeemer that is be not notoriously an Infidel or ungodly But some qualification is necessary therefore c. None can be named more necessary then this And that Popes have been such as I here mention is proved before Not to mention Marcellinus that sacrificed to an Idol or Liberius that subscribed to the Arrian profession for I believe there is an hundred times more hope of their Salvation by Repentance then of an hundred of their Successors John the twenty second held that the soul dies with the body of which the Parisians and others condemned him John the twenty third as I shewed before denyed the life to come and so was an Infidel The Witchcraft Poysonings Simony Sodomy Adulteries Incest c. of others are sufficiently recorded by their own Historians CHAP. IX Argum. 7. TO the foregoing Arguments I add the recital of one formerly mentioned for the use of all that have the use of their wits and senses If a man may be sure that he knows bread to be bread and wine to be wine when he seeth feeleth and tasteth them then he may be sure that Popery is a deceit This Consequence they cannot question But a man may be sure that he knoweth bread to be bread and wine to be wine when he seeth feeleth and tasteth them therefore c. Note that I speak of such a knowledge as belongs to men of sound wits and senses and a convenient object and medium It is the senses of the whole world that I appeal to and not of one or two it is bread and wine that are near us in the hand or mouth that I speak of and not at a miles distance in the day-light and not in the dark So that take the bread and wine into your hand and judge of it and let this decide our Controversie If you can tell whether that be bread or no bread you may tell whether the Papists or we are in the right Those therefore that be not learned and subtile enough to judge by Disputations and writings of Learned men may yet judge by their sight and feeling Either you know bread and wine when you see it taste it feel it or you do not If you do then the Controversie is at an end for the senses of all sound men in the world will be against the Papists that say the bread after Consecration is no bread and the wine is no wine But if you cannot know bread when you see feel and eat it then see what follows 1. Then we are sure that the Pope and all his Council are not at all to be trusted for if sence be not to be trusted then the Pope and his Council know not when they read the Scripture and Canons and Fathers and hear Traditions but that they are deceived 2. Then we are uncertain of any Judgement that Pope or Council can give for when they spoke or wrote it we are uncertain whether our eyes and ears or reason judging by them are not deceived in the hearing or reading of their words 3. How ridiculously then do they call for a Judge of Controversies and what a foolish quarrel is it that they make who shall be the Interpreter of Scriptures or Judge of Controversies For what can a Judge do but speak or write his mind and when he hath done you know not what it is that you hear or read because your senses may deceive you It s a far harder matter to understand a sentence or book of the Pope or Council when you read or hear it then to know bread when you see and feel and eat it Many thousands know bread that know not the Popes sentence nor a word of a book 4. And by this rule it is uncertain whether Scripture be true or Christianity the true Religion For we cannot know it but by our sences and if they are so uncertain all our Religion must needs be uncertain 5. Yea we cannot tell what Revelation to desire that should end our Controversies and make us certain For if God should send an Angel or other Messenger from heaven to decide