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the_o present_a separation_n self-condemned_n and_o prove_v to_o be_v schism_n as_o it_o be_v exemplify_v in_o a_o sermon_n preach_v upon_o that_o subject_a by_o mr._n w._n jenkyn_n and_o be_v further_o attest_v by_o divers_a other_o of_o his_o own_o persuasion_n all_o produce_v in_o answer_n to_o a_o letter_n from_o a_o friend_n manton_n on_o james_n pag._n 404._o true_a wisdom_n as_o it_o will_v not_o sin_v against_o faith_n by_o error_n so_o not_o against_o love_n by_o schism_n london_n print_v for_o edward_n croft_n at_o the_o seven_o star_n in_o little_a lombard_n street_n 1678._o sir_n upon_o the_o discourse_n that_o pass_v not_o long_o since_o betwixt_o you_o and_o i_o concern_v the_o present_a difference_n among_o we_o in_o this_o nation_n and_o the_o difficulty_n you_o then_o press_v i_o with_o about_o the_o nature_n and_o reason_n of_o schism_n and_o the_o side_n which_o the_o sin_n of_o it_o will_v lie_v upon_o i_o begin_v to_o consider_v of_o it_o and_o forthwith_o 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