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A06074 The baynes of Aquisgrane, the I. part & I. volume, intituled Variety Contayning three bookes, in the forme of dialogues, vnder the titles following, viz. Profit, pleasure, honour. Furnished with diuers things, no lesse delightfull, then beneficiall to be knowne, and obserued. ...by Roger Baynes gent. a long exile out of England, not for any temporall respect. Baynes Roger, 1546-1623. 1617 (1617) STC 1650; ESTC S115504 73,346 126

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Saracens in the Warres of the holy Land was by them honorably entertained and Royally released Whereupon Peter King of Aragon in an opprobrious letter of his written about this Act and sent to the said Charles sayth to him amongst other things Tu Nerone neronior Saracenis crudelior FAVONIVS It was only iealosy of State that made the said Charles more cruell therein then otherwise perhapps he would haue byn because Conradine not long before was come with a potent armie to take from him his Kingdome of Naples and the same reason may also seeme to excuse the putting to death of the Queene of Scotland because she likewise as then made claime to the Crowne of England and Crownes I can tell you may comport no Competitors AQVILONIVS And yet the forsaid Peter King of Aragon who by the right of Constance his wife Cosen-german to the beheaded Conradine hauing from the said Charles the first King of Naples the Kingdome of Sicilia and also taken Prisoner the Sonne of that Charles called Charles the second who still made claime to Sicilia did notwithstanding not put him to death neither in respect of that claime of his nor yet in reuenge of the death of Conradine his Cosen but with Honorable conditions he was after set at liberty by Iames Sonne to the said Peter at the instance of Edward the first King of England and all this still vnto the greater obloquy of the forsaid Incongruity of Charles the first therfore see now what little cause you had to bring in him for an example to approue the like vsed in England against the Queenes Maiesty of Scotland when she was not taken Prisoner by any Law of Armes as these other Princes were but comming into England of her owne accord yea and inuited was retayned there by force and therfore put the case that she had conspired against the Queene of England and her State as she was charged to haue done she did no more then she might lawfully do to redeeme her owne vniust vexation and to procure her liberty wherof she was most vniustly depriued For which respects her condemnation was as I haue said most incongruous and so much the more for that she was a Woman a Widdow the nearest Ally vnto the Crowne of England an inuited Guest an Exile out of her Kingdome and fled into England for succour and finally in such a state that our State could pretend no lawfull cause of feare for that being indurance she could neither attempt any thing of her selfe nor yet practise with any others further then the State of England would permit and wincke at And therfore by doing as they did they derogated from the Lawes of Nature of Charity of Iurisdiction and Maiesty of Parentage of Hospitality of Protection and finally from the Law of Nations and consequently from humaine Intelligence and reason And thus much concerning the Incongruity of the fact it selfe togeather with the disprofit of that sentence giuen not only in respect of the Vniuersall obliquy risen therby but also of the future harmes which by occasion of that euill example left in memory may happen to grow hereafter vnto some Prince of England in the like case ¶ Heere Subsolanus interrupting their further talke began to say vnto Aquilonius SVBSOLANVS It may suffice herein that we be better content to admit your example of disprofitable Iustice then your proofes of profitable Iniustice though there be place inough left of exception to be made vnto the one as well as to the other were it not that other matters do yet occure to be also spoken of and therfore hauing hitherto treated of Worldlines and Profit in old men in young men in Lawiers in Iudges and in other Magistrates some by ouer-weening of themselues some by excesse of forwardnes some by ignorance some by skill some by Iniustice some by Iustice me thinkes it were now tyme that we should begin to determine what Profit is and how many sorts of Profit there may be said to be AQVILONIVS Take you then the c re therof vpon your selfe to do it for the rest we be already agreed SVBSOLANVS May we not then do well to say That Profit is a thing which is either desired for it selfe or else for some other thing to follow therby AQVILONIVS Me thinkes not because this would seeme to haue relation rather vnto the vtility rising from the thing it selfe then to the gaine to be made therof by any Industry annexed SVBSOLANVS We may then perhaps do better to say That Profit is an Act which may be reputed to consist in buying good cheape and in selling deere AQVILONIVS This on the other side would seeme to haue relation altogeather to the gaine which is to be made of things and not at all vnto the Vtility rising of the thing it selfe SVBSOLANVS It may be that then this other will content you best to say That Profit is no more but a certaine kind of skill how to turne the vse of all things vnto aduantage vnto more aduantage and vnto most aduantage AQVILONIVS It wil be hard I can tell you vnto a word of so diuers relations to make any one description that may hit iust with them all and therfore without searching any further we will admit this last togeather with the former SVBSOLANVS So that heerby already we may begin me thinkes to discouer that of Profit there be two sorts the one called Vtility and the other Gaine AQVILONIVS We may so SVBSOLANVS But may we not likewise say that of Vtility there be three sorts one rysing of thinges another of habits and the third of men AQVILONIVS And this also SVBSOLANVS The Vtility rising of things either senselesse vegetat●ue or sensitiue may we not say it to be double to wit either of such things as be not desired for themselues but for some other Vtility that is to rise of them as when a man take●h a loathsome medicine to recouer his health therby or else of such other things as be desired both for themselues and also for some other Vtility that is to grow of them as when a man taketh a delectable medicine both because it pleaseth his tast and is also profitable for his health AQVILONIVS This also doth content me SVBSOLANVS The Vtility rising of habits may we not say it also to be double to wit either Speculatiue as the Vtility that riseth of knowledg be it Naturall Diuine or Mathematicall or else practicall as the Vtility to rise of ciuill domesticall or politicall skill AQVILONIVS This may also be admitted SVBSOLANVS And the Vtility rising of men may we not say it to be either fatall but yet accompanied with voluntary se●king as the fauour of Princes marriage friendship and the like or Naturall as the Sonne to inherite vnto his Father and the Brother to his Brother or the Nephew to his Vncle or Morall as when one receaueth vtility of another so farre as either decency or neighbourhood doth require or Legall