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A13160	A challenge concerning the Romish Church, her doctrine & practises, published first against Rob. Parsons, and now againe reuiewed, enlarged, and fortified, and directed to him, to Frier Garnet, to the archpriest Blackevvell and all their adhærents, by Matth. Sutcliffe. Thereunto also is annexed an answere vnto certeine vaine, and friuolous exceptions, taken to his former challenge, and to a certeine worthlesse pamphlet lately set out by some poore disciple of Antichrist, and entituled, A detection of diuers notable vntrueths, contradictions, corruptions, and falsifications gathered out of M. Sutcliffes new challenge, &c.	Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629.; Sutcliffe, Matthew, 1550?-1629. Briefe replie to a certaine odious and slanderous libel.	1602 (1602)	STC 23454; ESTC S117867	337,059	440

the images of our lady of Loreto of the crosse and such like If they say that the image of Christ is to be worshipped with the honour due to Christ improperly as Bellarmine teacheth lib. 2. de imaginib c. 23. It may be replied that the Gentiles were neuer so stupid as to say that properly as much honor is due to the image as to the originall Finally if you méet with any of Bellarmines opinion lib. de imaginibus c. 6. that thought Xenaias to be the first that found fault with the worship of images you may boldely reproue him by the testimony of Lactantius Hierome Epiphanius Augustine and other fathers before cited Vnlesse therefore Robert Parsons and his consorts can well answere our arguments and fortifie their owne simple excuses shifts and distinctions it will appeare both by testimony of scriptures and fathers and also by diuers good arguments that the papists are idolaters nay it will appeare they can no better answere for themselues then the heathen idolaters in ancient time is it not then maruell that such grosse idolatry should créepe in among Christians it is so certes but much more is it to be maruelled that so grosse an abuse being detected should either be defended or tolerated CHAP. VI. That such papists as within the compasse of her maiesties reigne haue bene executed to death haue died for treason and other capitall crimes and not for religion and therefore are to be detested as malefactors and not honored as martyrs HItherto we haue discoursed of matters of religion and I hope so as it may appeare to euery man not altogether either irreligious or possessed with preiudice that the papists are neither true catholicks nor good Christians I haue therein also discouered not only the vanity of Parsons his pleading in his Ward-word that taketh that as granted which is the principall question but also the simplicity of this wooden Oulyglasses dealing that not daring to answere our arguments doth notwithstanding still in his exceptions vsurpe the name of Catholicks Catholicke religion as due to himselfe and his consorts being nothing lesse then either catholicke or Christian now therefore to fill vp this discourse it followeth that we consider a litle the ou●ward ciuill cariage of this faction and what we are to thinke either of those that heretofore haue broken their necks in the Popes seruice or else yet continue well affected toward his cause and generally what all true subiects are to looke for either at their hands or the hands of their partakers and adherents and this for that Robert Parsons in the first chapter or incounter of his Ward-word doubteth not most impudently to affirme that many honorable and worshipfull gentlemen haue indured continuall and intolerable affliction for perseuering in their fathers faith and that aboue a hundred priests haue bene tortured hanged and quartered for the same cause the same man also in the conclusion of his encounters doth insinuat that albeit they were charged with treason yet they died as martyrs Allen likewise that perfidious traitor to his prince and country in his a Ad p●rsequutores Anglos treatise against the execution of iustice doone vpon diuers priests and friers and their adherents taken in notorious treasons doth exclaime against the state and charge our gouernors with persecution iniustice tyranny and extreme cruelty as for his clients he beareth vs in hand that they were cleare of treason and without all iust cause died for matter of religion and conscience onely and not for treason or practises against the state and concludeth that therefore they are to be esteemed as holy martyrs and not as leud traitors the detector also in his disiointed exceptions is talking of crosses and persecutions where he and most of his consorts liue at ease and in all security in good houses and haue laisure to write and opportunity to print such pamphlets and idle toies as that which he hath of late published argument 1 First then I say that albeit late lawes gaue occasion to detect the Popes agents that of late haue bene executed to death in England yet they deserued death as offending in cases of treason both so adiudged by the ancient lawes of this land and also for the most part by the lawes of all nations for first it is treason to stirre vp forrain enemies against the prince or state the statute of 25. Edward the 3. c. 2. doth so account it condemning all of treason that shall goe about to leuy warre against the kings and queenes of this land Likewise it was adiudged by the Romane lawes Maiestatis crimine tenetur saith Vlpian ad legem Iuliam maiest l. 1. cujus opera consilio dolo malo consilium initum fuerit c. quo quis contra remp arma ferat The same course is now taken in Spaine with such as attempt to leuie warre against the king either within or without the realme as is apparent by the booke called El fuero real Tit. de la guarda del rey those also that counsell or abet such as attempt any such matter are by that law condemned as traitors Neither is the practise of France diuers from other nations in this point Finally no Romane may so much as once attempt to raise warre against the pope albeit he hold nothing but by vsurpation but the popes sergeants and officers seize vpon him as a traitor neither will any pretence or allegation of conscience serue to excuse his treason or to exempt him from punishment But such agents of the pope as haue beene executed hitherto in England for his cause either haue themselues béene persuaders of the pope and Spanish king and others to make warre vpon her Maiesty and their countrey or els haue ioined with Englefield Allen Parsons Holt Owen Morgan and other principall moouers and stirrers for an inuasion and were directed by them and sent into England and other places for that purpose and this may be proued first by the Bull of Pius Quintus procured at the instance of diuers English fugitiues and by them sent abroad into England and sent into the king of Spaines countrey as a motiue for him to inuade England and as it were a trumpet that sounded fire and sword against vs. secondly all the practises and exercises of the seditious seminaries in the Low-countreys Spaine and Rome haue tended to the stirring vp of forren nations against vs as is confessed by diuers priests and testified by scholars and may be prooued by some notes of their exercises which we haue to shew Thirdly Sixtus Quintus anno 1588. in his sentence declaratory or rather declamatory against the Quéene doeth say that at the earnest solicitation of certeine principall English men which he calleth catholikes he had proceeded against her Maiesty and had enioyned the Spanish king to execute his Bull of excommunication and deposition against her and to come with great forces against England fourthly Allen in his traitorous letters to the nobility

most vnwoorthy to possesse land and office that will not serue her Maiestie by whose fauour and clemency they enioy their lands and offices against the Spaniard or other forren enemy that séeketh to depriue both vs and them percase of lands liuing and life It may be that some papists will not beléeue this to be true of the masse priests and their adherents but if they list to read and sée what the secular priests confesse in their treatise of important considerations they will change their opinions argument 5 Howsoeuer they iudge of this point yet they will not deny that it is treason to adhere to forren enemies In the statute of 25. of Edward the third chap. 2. those that adhere to the kings enemies are adiudged traitors By the u El fuero real tit de la guarda del rey lawes of Spaine likewise it is made treason to ioine with the enemie and to yeeld him succour or helpe by any meanes and the like we may gather out of the Roman lawes ad legem Iuliam maiestatis l. 1. Finally reason may teach vs that they can not be our friends that adhere to our enemies and ioine with them but the masse priests and all that haue dealt hitherto in the popes and Spaniards cause haue adhered to forren foes and to the publike and professed enemies of her Maiesty and this state for first it is apparent that the Pope and Spaniard are publike enemies of the prince state Hostes ij sunt saith x ff de verborum signific l. hostes Pomponius qui nobis aut quibus nos publicè bellum decreuimus that is they are publike enemies either which make warres on vs or vpon whom we make warres The Gréeks of the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that signifieth warre doe call enemies 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which sheweth them to be enemies properly that make warres vpon vs. But the Pope and Spaniard from the yéere 1569. haue not ceased to make warres against the English nation Pope Pius the fift hauing a determination to recouer his authority in England and that rather by the sword than as Peter did gaine men by the word stirred vp Philip king of Spaine to ioine with him against our nation both of them sent money to aide the Northren rebels anno 1569. and were determined to haue sent an army into England vnder the conduct of the duke of Alua had not the practise of the rebels béene discouered and had not the rebellion béene suppressed before the succors came to them y Manolessa The Pope also afterward set vp the duke of Norfolke and sent him mony and encouraged him with great promises to execute his sentence and both these points are prooued not onely by the testimony of the letters of Pius Quintus as they are recorded by him that set out the report of his life but also by the testimony of the secular priests in their treatise called important considerations About the yeere 1578. Stukelcy was by the Pope furnished with money and souldiers to make some enterprise in Ireland and had done somewhat if Gods iudgements had not turned him into Barbarie where he made his end correspondent to his life That string being broken Sanders was sent as agent for the Pope to raise a rebellion in Ireland and not long after the Pope sent certeine forces into the same countrey that openly z Let Parsons shew that euer S. Peter did the like displaied his banners against her Maiestie and the English nation Anno 1588. both the Spaniards and Popes fléet came with fire and sword against England The duke of Parma likewise prouided great land forces against vs in the Low-countreys An. 1597. 1598. the Adelantado of Spaine set foorth twise or thrise from Corona with an intention to descend in the port of Falmouth and to take that countrey And lately Don Juan d'Aquila was sent with diuers regiments for the conquest of Ireland Likewise we for our defence haue since made some attempts against the Spaniard in Spaine in the Indiaes and in the Low-countreys And most of these matters are publikely knowen and can not be denied by the aduersarses themselues The secular priests confesse most of these things in their treatise of important considerations It can not therefore be denied but that both the Pope and the Spaniard are publike enemies of her Maiestie and the state The like may be said of Henry the 2. the French king during the warres in Scotland in the beginning of her Maiesties reigne and of the duke of Guise the duke of Alua the prince of Parma and others that at seuerall times haue done hostile acts against her Maiesty and the English nation Likewise it is a thing very manifest that all our masse-priests and their partakers and consorts haue adhered to the king of Spaine to the pope and to other forren enemies Vpon the first comming of the Quéene to the crowne diuers fled to the French king who pretending a right to the crowne of England for his daughter in law the Quéene of Scots proclaimed her in Paris Queene of England and Ireland not without the consent of some traitorous English as it séemeth Mortua Maria saith a De schi● li. 3. Sanders Henricus Galliarum rex c. nurum suam Scotorum reginam Henrici octaui proneptim parisijs pro concione Angliae Hiberniae reginam declarandam curauit he sent also forces into Scotland to second his claime which no man may surmise he would haue done but that he was promised a party in England that the seminaries of Doway and Rome adhere to the pope and Spaniard it cannot be denied for of them they haue their maintenance and when the priests of the seminaries are déepely rooted in the grounds of vnnaturall disloialty and treason abroad they come with commission and meanes from them two home into England thirdly Sanders was sent by the pope as his legat into Ireland and both he and his consorts that were sent vpon that businesse were furnished with meanes from the pope and did wholly depend vpon him and on the king of Spaine fourthly it appeareth that the priests held the pope for the chiefe lord and did not so much as vouchsafe to call Elizabeth the Queene of England their Quéene petatur à summo domino nostro say Parsons and Campian in their faculties explicatio bullae declaratoriae contra Elizabetham ei adhaerentes let vs beseech say they our most high lord the pope to make an exposition of the bull against Elizaberh and all that adhere vnto her so it appeareth that they declare themselues opposite to the Quéene and all her true subiects and that they adhere to the pope it may out of that facultie also be gathered that all papists adhere to the pope for that these two prouide for them onely and exclude all the Quéenes subiects for the papists whom those two traitors call catholikes desire that the popes bull may binde

idolatries and whose doctrine is confirmed by scriptures most certeine traditions councels fathers and practise of the ancient church and which teacheth the narrow way and maketh subiects obedient and is sure to continue but neither is the church of Rome catholike nor apostolike which embraceth vncerteine traditions and apocryphall scriptures with equall affection to canonicall scriptures and which receiueth all the popes decretales concerning matters of faith albeit they conteine doctrine neither apostolicall nor general secondly it will be an easie matter to shew that the Romish church abhorreth neither heresie nor idolatrie nor noueltie thirdly in diuerse discourses against Bellarmine I haue shewed that popish doctrine hath neither ground of scriptures councels nor fathers thereby also it may appeare that popish traditions are most vaine vncerteine and superstitious fourthly the way which that church teacheth is broad and easie for what is more easie than to heare masses and to eat fish and to confesse sinnes and to obserue diuers externall ceremonies and yet by these small things papists hope to be saued fiftly we finde that all the rebellions of England Ireland and France haue wholly procéeded from the church of Rome and the doctrine of the seditious Iebusites and Cananites and masse priests neither will euer rebellion be rooted out vnlesse the tyrannicall vsurpation of popes be repressed and their parasites taught to submit themselues to their liege princes sixthly what certeinty in iudgement can the papists haue that depend vpon the resolutions of blinde vnlearned and wicked popes finally we sée Antichrist to be reuealed and the city of Babylon to fall to confusion who then doth not expect and beléeue the vtter ruine and desolation of Antichrists state Further Bristow telleth vs that euery church that is risen after the first planting of religion and gone out of the catholike church and from apostolike doctrine and is not the communion of saints nor euer visible and which is not the teacher of all diuine trueth and the vndoubted mother of Christes children is not the true church But the church of Rome as it is now visible in the pope and cardinals in the officers of the popes chamber in popish prelates sacrificing priests monks friers and nunnes and their officers and adherents whose faith is built on popish decretals and mincing scholasticall distinctions as fine wouen as any spider webbe rose out of the earth long after the apostles times and first planting of religion and that the Romish church crept out by little and little out of the catholike and apostolike church for apostolicall doctrine embracing apostaticall and light fancies and traditions and for the maintenance of mens bellies and the popes authoritie is departed from Christ and hath made war vpon the saints in the same also whores are openly mainteined cutthrotes by rewards incited to kill and poison princes and a way to all periuries and vices by the popes indulgences opened how then can any call this a communion of saints finally he that expecteth trueth at the popes hands shal be gulled with fables and he that calleth Rome a mother can be content for gaine to call the whore of Babylon and mother of errours his mother argument 70 The church of Christ neuer allowed the decretals of popes or the extrauagants or rules of Chancery concerning the popes authoritie and procéeding but in these lawes the church of Rome hath diuers rules of the Romish faith and thereby gouerneth her procéedings argument 71 In the church of Christ clerks were not exempt from the subiection of princes The apostle saith Let euery soule be subiect to higher powers But in the church of Rome all clerks are quited and exempted from the princes power as Bellarmine in his booke of that argument by the popes canons and all his wit endeuoureth to proue argument 72 The true church neuer baptized belles nor held monkes coules to be equall to baptisme but the popish church as the l Grauam 51. Germanes in their grieuances declare baptizeth belles and compareth the entrance into monkish profession with baptisme argument 73 Finally neuer was Christes church or any part of Christes church within any kingdome gouerned by an archpriest and certeine seditious Iebusites masse priests and such like vermine Howsoeuer then they deny it in others yet can they not deny but that the papists of England are not members of Christes church but rather of the synagogue of Satan CHAP. II. That the doctrines and traditions of the Romish church which the church of England refuseth are mere nouelties and late deuised fancies IF when the papists doe recommend vnto vs their old religion they meant nothing els but the religion of Christ Iesus which the apostles first taught and which the apostolicall and most ancient Christians receiued and deliuered to posterity we should not much contend with thim for that is the religion which we professe not varying in any thing from the apostles créed and other créeds either set out by Athanasius or the most ancient generall councels of the church nor denying any thing that is expressed or proued out of the holy canonicall scriptures But when they talke of old religion they meane the religion of the church of Rome which was either established by later popes or taken vp by lewd custome and vncerteine tradition the which though it séeme to some ancient yet in very truth is new and no way to be compared to the religion that was first deliuered by Christ and his apostles neither doth it deserue the name of old religion for as Ignatius said a Epist ad Philadelph sometime antiquitas mea Christus est so we may say that Christ is the top of our ancestry that the apostles doctrine is both ancient most true id verius quod prius saith b Lib. 4. contra Marcion Tertullian id prius quod ab initio id ab initio quod ab apostolis if thē the papists as they bragge could prooue their religion to be deriued from the apostles then would we indéed confesse it were ancient if they cannot then we must say to them as c Epist 65. ad Pammach Ocean Hierome said to one in his time cur profers in medium saith he quod Petrus Paulus edere noluerunt why doe they produce articles of faith vnknowen to the apostles nay why doe they teach vs points of religion which in times of the ancient fathers of the church were vnheard of will they haue that accounted old which the fathers of the church which were long after the apostles neuer knew nor the ancient church euer receiued they would so d Contra. haeres c. 35. but Vincentius Lirinensis doeth call him a true catholike that doeth onely beléeue and hold whatsoeuer the ancient catholike church did vniuersally beléeue quicquid saith he vniuersaliter antiquitus ecclesiam catholicam tenuisse cognouerit id solum sibi tenendum credendumque decernit if then the papists will hold all the religion which now

and people of England and Ireland doeth confesse that the pope and Spaniard were solicited by himselfe and diuers other English men to inuade this land and this is also knowen by the negotiation of Englefield Parsons and other English both with the Spanish king and also with other princes to this purpose fiftly Parsons to draw on the king of Spaine to enterprise this warre told him that his name being Philip Norway he could not chuse but haue good successe his reason was for that our countrey had a prophecie that betwixt Bostons Bay and the pile of Foudray should be seene the blacke nauy of Norway which as he perswaded the king should returne victorious The same man also in a letter to a certeine noble man of Scotland declareth that he had béene with most princes in Europe to moue inuasions and warres against vs. sixtly the emperor that now is vpon their informations hath professed himselfe our enemie and set out diuers prolamations against our nation by means whereof our merchants in his dominions haue susteined great losses seuenthly Allen and diuers fugitiue English were busie anno Domini 1586. and 1587. with the duke of Guise and other Frenchmen to induce them to concurre with the Pope and Spaniards in the warre against England The English papists at that time in a certeine treatise called Vn aduertissement des catholiques Anglois aux catholiques Francois doe endeuor to stirre them vp against vs charging them with this slacknesse and imputing their euill successe thereunto Le crime d'endurer Iesabel ta voisine say they Plonger an sang Chrestien te destruit peu a peu They confesse also that themselues are scorned of all nations for suffering an hereticall Queene as these hereticall traitors call her to reigne An eight argument to prooue this point may be drawen from the infamous libels set out against our nation partly by Parsons and Creswell and partly by Worthington Gifford other fugitiues tending to no other end than to stirre the whole world to take armes vp against vs. finally the practise of D. Story with the duke of Alua the oration of Allen made to Gregory the 13. Sanders his negotiation with the same pope Parsons his running vp and downe these twentie yeeres and vpward from nation to nation the agencies of Holt and other Iesuites and priests with the duke of Parma the plots taken about Crighton a Iesuite concerning the inuasion of England and the clamours of English fugitiues from time to time in the eares of all Christian princes and now lately the attempt of D. Juan d' Aquila in Ireland onely set forward by English and Irish priests and fugitiues against her Maiesty doe all plainly declare that these fugitiues from time to time haue bene the firebrands to set their owne natiue countrey on a flame if any would haue hearkened to their promises and this point albeit the same touch not all that haue béene executed or are yet aliue in England of the popes faction principally yet it toucheth either all or most of them as being a betters counsellers scholars slaues or companions of these principall stirrers all of them comming from Allen and Parsons and other principall agents in this businesse and so cléere it is that English fugitiues were the principall motiues of the inuasion anno 1588. and of D. Juan d' Aquila his attempt that the Spaniards impute most of their euill successe to their lies and false informations of our weaknesse and it is said that diuers of them begin to be hatefull to most Spaniards for this cause argument 2 Secondly it is treason to stirre vp sedition or rebellion against the prince or state or to concurre with those that goe about to mooue rebellion or stir vp sedition The words of the Romane lawes are cleere Maiestatis crimine b L. 1. ff ad l. Iulian maiestatis saith Vlpian tenetur is cuius consilio doloue malo factum est vt armati homines cum telis lapidibusue in vrbe sint conueniántue aduersus remp locáque occupantur vel templa quóue coetus conuentúsue fiant hominésque ad seditionem connocentur He is guilty of treason saith Vlpian by whose counsell or cunning procurement armed men with weapons come together against the state and sease places of aduantage or that causeth metings and and assemblies to raise vp sedition By this law those are also condemned qui milites solicitauerint concitaueríntue quo seditio tumultúsue aduersus rempub fiat that is which shall solicite or cause souldiers to mutine or reuolt or stirre against the state as for example the traitour Allen did with Sir W. Stanley and the souldiers of Deuenter Likewise by the statute of the 25. Edward the 3. c. 2. those are adiuged traitors that shall take armes against their prince or countrey either within the realme or without in which case also are all rebels and seditions persons that shall rebell against their gouernors or that shall be aiding or consenting thereunto And in the Spanish lawes del fuero real tit de la guarda del rey it is enacted that none be so hardy by word deed or aduice to oppose himselfe against the king or his state or to make an insurrection or practise of rebellion against him or his kingdom either within the realme or without Que ninguno no sea osado por fecho ni per dicho ni por conseio de yr contra el rey ni contra su sennorio ni hazer alleuamiento ni bollicio contra el ni contra seu reyno en su tierra ni fuera su tierra This is also law both in France Germany and all countreys neither will the pope suffer any of his dominions notwithstanding that hée holdeth them by vsurpation and without lawfull title to consult against him or mutinously to stirre vp such as liue vnder him to rebellion but he presently chastiseth them as traitours Innocent the seuenth who succéeded Boniface the ninth that not yet three hundred yéeres agone first vsurped the temporall gouernment of Rome as c In lib. de schism Theodoricke a Niem and other d Paulus Langius in Chronic. Citizensi stories testifie caused diuers citizens most cruelly to be murdered albeit they did but againe redemand the authority that was committed to the popes in trust Platina he maketh mention of this murder writing of Innocent the seuenth though concealing the true cause he saieth they were executed for sedition Vndecim ciues saith Platina reip suae labenti in negligentia pontificis consulturi statim necantur è fenestrísque deijciuntur quod diceret eo modo tolli seditiones If then a pretence of sedition be cause sufficient for the Pope to procéed against his subiects with what face can he or his adherents blame her Maiestie if shee doe chastice her mutinous seditions and rebellious subiects shall it not be lawfull for her and for this state to doe that which all princes and states doe practise and take to be

3. consil 105. and Alciat consil 456. or that shall conspire against the state of the prince or common welth as may be proued by the testimony of Baldus consil 58. sequent and Alexander consil 13. lib. 6. and Iason consil 86. lib. 3. or that shall make peace or contract friendship with the princes enemies as saith Decius consil 604. 605. or finally that shall doe any act preiudiciall to the prince or state especially if they be subiects and bound by their naturall allegeance to the prince and state all which points doe nearely touch Robert Parsons Creswel Walpoole and other rectors and scholars of the english seminaries a broad the archpriest Blackewell his adherents and al massepriests and pensioners of the Pope and Spaniard both abroad and at home all that intertaine intelligence with traitors and any way releiue them and finally all factious malcontents that are offended with the present state or present gouernors and practise or endeuour to worke innouation in the gouernment and as for Parsons Creswel Garnet and other Iebusits and cananites that are archplotters of treasons against the prince and state there is no question to be made but they are traitors the n In the epistle before the treatise of important considerations secular priests charge Parsons Creswel Garnet and Blackwell to be wicked members and shew that they haue sought to bring in forrain enemies into England to the ouerthrow not onely of many noble families but also of the whole state The author of the Quodlibets quodlib 8. art 10. confesseth that the English seminaries beyond the seas are greatly degenerated from their primitiue foundation and that now the heads of the scholars are filled with treacheries aequiuocations dissimulation hypocrisie and all kinde of falshood and that now priests in their missions are bound to take an oth for the setting foorth the Spanish Infantaes title but if he had said nothing thereof yet we vnderstand that the seminaries beyond the sea are nothing els but dennes wherein yoong traitors are fostered vp for the restoring of the popes tyranny and the furthering of the Spanish inuasion therein also for many yéeres no other consultations haue béene more rife than how to bring her Maiestie to destruction or to raise a rebellion or to worke some hurt to the state or to some principall gouernors thereof As for the archpriest and his faction wherein I comprehend the prouinciall Garnet and other viperous Iesuites it is méere simplicitie not to vnderstand that they are still working against the prince and state and haue wholly deuoted themselues bodie and soule to serue the Pope and Spaniard To the pope they complaine and from him they receiue not only authoritie and direction but commissions also and faculties grants to sell licences for eating white meat dispensations in diuers cases and to traffike for beads graines and other such like merchandise of Babylon O simple papists that suffer your selues to be abused with these montebanks charlatanes impostors and cousening merchants O vnwise people that prefer these toies and this most vaine trash and other tricks of popish superstition before true religion before your allegiance to your prince and your loue to your countrey and as if you were bewitched run your selues headlong into danger for loue of those vaine toies to ioine with enemies that hate your countrey and care not a straw for you if they may obteine their owne wicked purposes All those likewise that enterteine intelligence with Parsons and such like traitors or with rebels or ioine in any practise to further forren enemies or to hurt the state which are many abroad and at home both priests and others can not cleere themselues of treason Finally whosoeuer is a true papist and according to Bellarmines o Lib. de ecclesia militant c. 2. definition liueth in subiection to the pope must needs be a false traitor to her Maiestie and this countrey as the case now standeth for if euery papist be bound to obey the popes sentence and to hold them excommunicate and deposed whom the pope shall excommunicate and depose as most papists teach and none dare deny that beléeueth the popes power and authoritie then if the Pope haue excommunicated and deposed her Maiestie they are bound to hold her excommunicate and deposed and to concurre with him and his wicked agents as oft as he will command and charge them to make ready for the execution of his sentence Againe if as Allen a notorious traitor in the iustification of Stanley teacheth euery papist in all warres which may happen for religion is bound in conscience to employ his pe●son and forces by the popes direction viz. how far when and where either at home or abroad he shal be directed then is euery papist bound to be a rebell and traitor as oft as the pope pleaseth and commandeth and this sequele the secular priests also confesse in their p Pag. 24. treatise of important considerations to be good and acknowledge that this is Allens doctrine contrariwise if so be a man do not regard the popes sentence excommunication and direction then he is no papist neither may he euer looke for the popes blessing argument 15 Finally it is treason not onely to practise against the prince and state but also to abet to mainteine to aide to relieue or conceale such practisers and traitors By the common lawes of England all that are accessaries in cases of treason are punished as principals likewise the Romane lawes punished not only the principall actors in treason and rebellion but also their abetters counsellers and aiders as lawyers teach in their commentaries in l. proximum l. cuiusque and l. maiestatis ad l. Iuliam maiestatis the same also may be gathered out of the text of the law Finally this is vsuall in all crimes as both the q L. 16. qui epem ff de furto ibid. dd ciuill and r 11. q 3. c. qui consentit extr de homicidio c. ficut dignum canon lawes doe teach vs. but few papists of any note can be found in England but they haue either consulted with traitorous priests and Iesuites or relieued them or receited them or had intelligence with them let them therefore thanke God for the fauor which this state bestoweth on them without all desert of theirs and beware hereafter that they send no reliefe to seminaries abroad nor receit such traitors at home nor haue any dealing with such as are knowen to depend vpon forren enemies The state hath had excéeding patience in their behalfe hitherto but euen most patient persons by continuall prouocations may be vrged to change their course ſ Cicero de legibus lib. 3. Salus populi suprema lex est the safetie of the state is a matter aboue all others to be regarded t L. lex ff de legibus the law also without punishment of offenders is dead Lex saith Papinian est delictorum quae sponte vel

no part of my meaning but I say that the true Church cannot longe want true bishopes and teachers and that therfore the Romish Church is not the true Church hauing no bishops nor préestes at all but in name And that I proued for that they wanted true priesthood and true ordination and were ordayned and sent by antichrist by heretikes and simoniacall persons and such as had no authority to ordayne or sende forth bishops and preestes He answereth finally that I haue no reason to carpe at the Romish clergie for their bad life and lacke of learning seeing Pag. 96. our Church as he saith admitteth most base lewd vnlearned artisās this he indeuoureth to proue by M. Parries words in his preface before Vrsinus his catechisme But he lyeth like a lewde and base fellow if he suppose that such are admitted by our Church they do thrust in I confesse by the abuse of sōe on or more but the church alloweth thē not nay there are canōs made that none is to be ordained minister but bachilars of art or men otherwise well qualified and knowne to be able to teach If any doe otherwise by indirect meanes come into the ministery which abuse Master Parry noteth yet I hope they are not so rude or so lewde as masse Preests which are the scumme of all vileny for the most part as those that trauell Spayne and Italy knowe by practise and our rinegat English masse Preestes by their lewdnesse and insufficiency playnly proue Hauing answered according to his best skill and broken as he thinketh all our bonds like Dalilaes cords though some of his friends say that a certeine Dalila hath strong hold of him he goeth about to retort this argument vpon vs and saith if the true Church hath alwayes true bishops and preests that the Church of England Pag 100. is not the true Church as wanting true preestes and bishops And with this argument hee hopeth to giue vs such a drie shauing as he doubteth not but he will marre the whole beauty thereof but he sheweth himselfe to be but a simple barber and a worse drie shauer for nowe he cannot shew but that we haue true bishops hauing both lawfull ordination and our bishops exequuting the office of bishops loyally and orderly Before this reformation also our bishops had all that which our aduersaries thinke necessary in the outward calling of bishops Besides that there fayled not among our bishops and préestes at all times diuers men which detested the abominations of the Romanistes as Robert Grosted bishop of Lincolne Richard Vllerston that liued about the councell of Constance Iohn wicleffe and diuers others But saith he who layd hands on bishop Parker He séemeth also to make the like question of Luther and Zuinglius I answere that bishop Couerdale and Skory and others which were bishops in King Edwardes time layde hands vpon bishop Parker I confesse also that bishop Cranmer Luther and Zuinglius had an externall calling though corrupt in a corrupt state yet such as Owlygalsse dare not deny to be sufficient And beside that externall calling it pleased God to reuele to them his will extraordinarily and to call them out of Babylon to the knowledge of his truth our aduersary therefore of all men hath least reason to challenge them for their calling Beside that he cannot conclude because that externall calling was then thought sufficient that now the popish Church hath a calling sufficient For albeit the préestes of the Iewes that worshiped Baal had an externall calling which was not disabled when they returned to the true worship of God yet was not their Idolatrous seruice doon to Baal nor that preesthood lawful the like wee may say of masse préests They should haue serued God aright yet whē they serued at their massing alters they worshipped strange Gods But when they left their Idolatrie then their calling tooke effect they doing that for which they were principally called Furthermore he cannot say because now all Idolatry and superstition being abandoned we are the true church that the papists that reteine still their superstitiōs are the true church for the true church is tryed by true faith true worship and seruice of God not by externall rites and ceremonies and succession without Gods true worship or the true faith Owlyglasse would also gladly haue me to set down the names of those bishops that gouerned our Church euer since Christ As if all bishops that mayntained the Apostles créede and catholike faith were not our bishops If they digressed from the faith we are not to séeke for a new ranke of bishops but to acknowledge them to be true bishops that professed the true faith He talketh also of my being at Cales but it is more honesty for me to goe in the seruice of my Prince and contry against forreine enemies then for him with forreine enemies like a disloyal traytor to fight against his prince and contry and like a base slaue to serue the popes turne And this may serue to iustifie my argument against the popish préesthood It resteth now that I answere his friuolous obiections concerning some points which he supposeth to conteine matter of contradiction which he vanteth that hee will handle to the little commendation of my learning as he saith But if he would indéede haue disgraced me he should haue taken in hand the aunswere of some latine treatise which I haue published against Bellar. For therein he might haue shewed lerning whereas this discourse concerning falsifications and vntruthes is nothing but a little fardle of foolery and a vaine bable for his clients to sport themselues with all Well in the meane while let vs know his worships pleasure concerning these supposed contradictions First he chargeth me with saying that the number of seuen sacraments was not certainly established nor receiued before the late councell of Trent and this he supposeth to be contrarie to that which I affirme in another place viz. that the iust number of seuen sacraments and neither more nor lesse was first deliuered by the councell of Florence vnder Eugenius the fourth and afterward confirmed by the councell of Trent But the poore ideot doth rather bewray his owne ignorance that knew not how this doctrine of seuen sacraments crept into the Romish church and great dulnesse that could not distinguish betwixt instructions and canons talking or mentioning matters and confirming them by solemne act and decree To reforme his errour therefore I must let him vnderstand that the conuenticle of Florence did not by any solemne canon establish the iust number of seuen sacraments but certaine idle Friers or others in that conuenticle or at the least vnder the credit thereof deliuered this doctrine of seuen sacraments to the Armenians Furthermore not all Churches but the Armenians had this doctrine deliuered vnto them I speake therefore warily where I say that albeit that doctrine was talked of perhaps and deliuered to the Armenians yet it was first confirmed by solemne

there hath béene some difference betwéene priuat persons about ceremonies and gouernment and that without disagréement in religion yet now all that quarrell to the great griefe of Owlyglasse and his consorts is ended and all godly christians iointly concurre to the repressing of the seditious massepriests and their adherents that by faction and heresie seeke to vndermine both the Church and state In this obseruation he goeth about also to prooue that I doe not séeme to allow the doctrine established in this church of England But as in the rest so in this Owlyglasse doth but trifle I doe holde I confesse that baptisme is not so necessarie but that diuers may and haue beene saued without it especially where there is no contempt committed in procuring it Further I doe beléeue that it is vnlawfull for women to take vpon them to administer baptisme and doe aduise in case of extremitie all christians to procure the ministers presence Thirdly I doe vtterly condemne the doctrine of the papistes concerning their limbus patrum Fourthly I doe much mislike their superstitious stationary obambulations about the limits of parishes for the blessing of new corne and their superstitious letanies and ceremonies vsed in the fame Fiftly I deny that euer the catholike church had any precepts or canons to forbid mariages on such daies and in such sort and for such respects as the Romish Church doth practise Sixtly I doe beléeue that Luthers opinion absolutely considered in it selfe is not a fundamentall point of religion especially if we giue his wordes a fauourable construction Finally I accompt none to be true christians and professours that make no conscience of sinne and liue not according to their profession But what of all this doe I therefore teach contrarie to any point of doctrine maintained by the church of England so Owlyglasse my good friend would insinuate But his proofes are simple and his assertions most false He saith Page 111. that the Church of England teacheth that baptisme is necessarie to saluation But the booke which he alleadgeth out of which he cannot bring one word to prooue his saying doth conuince him both of lying and impudencie Secondly he affirmeth that to deny womens baptisme is contrarie to religion established But it is not contrarie to his religion to lie and face out lies most impudently Thirdly to prooue that our church beléeueth limbus patrum he should haue alleadged our confession and not a certaine verset of the créede in méeter Beside that in that verset nothing is said but that Christ illuminated those that sate in darknesse which is nothing to limbus patrum a place that cannot be illuminated as papistes holde Further that verset may be rather an exposition of the words of the song of Zacharie Luke 2. of the illumination of the ignorant and of the like wordes of the Prophet Esay chap. 9. then an assertion of limbus pactum Fourthly the papists in their perambulations of parishes vse to blesse or rather to exorcise corne and to say most wicked litanyes They vse also diuers superstitious ceremonies which vnlesse Owlyglasse prooue to be allowed by our Church he will prooue himselfe a cogging compagnion Fifthly he talketh of prohibitions of the solemnizations of mariages at certaine times but he alleadgeth neither lawe nor record to prooue that our Church alloweth either the doctrine or the ceremonies of the Romish congregation in this point And there whither he sendeth vs we finde nothing but the testimonie of an Almanacke Sixtly albeit the church of England doth not holde Luthers real presence of Christes body in the sacrament yet cannot the detractor shewe but that his opinion may be reconciled with the Christian faith if a man will not vrge those points that follow of that doctrine too seuerely and further percase then at the first Luther himselfe allowed them If a man doe gather what doth followe of it then is the doctrine dangerous as I and others confesse Finally he doth not so much as go about to shewe that I haue deliuered any thing contrary to the doctrine of our Church where I affirme that good life is as well required in a true professour as true faith Why then is this point touched in this place Doth it grieue him that I touch the filthy Sodomiticall priests and friers and shut that abhominable generation out of Gods church It séemeth so and therefore to requite me he saith that this doctrine may touch me for that I haue falsified and maliciously corrupted the fathers But if I haue cleared my selfe of all those matters that he hath laide to my charge I hope the vanitie of his collection will manifestly appeare to all indifferent men But hee poore ideot appeareth not but séeing the Romish Church and diuers of her principall pillers to be charged with notorious lies and falsifications passeth away in silence and is not able to answere one worde Nay hee leaueth his clients in the briers and signifieth for ought he can doe they must pleade for themselues Wherefore to leaue off further to vrge this distressed followe that is able to say nothing for the defence of them whom he doth principally fauour I may well conclude séeing the arguments which I brought in my Challenge stand immooueable and the detectors exceptions are prooued to be vaine and friuolous first that the Romish church is not the true Church of Christ Iesus Secondly that the religion of Papists is neither auncient nor catholike Thirdly that all papists maintaining the doctrine of the Pope and his adherents are heretikes Fourthly that such as embrace popish religion are idolaters Fifthly that all the Popes adherents and agents that haue suffered for his cause in England are to be reputed no better then disloyall traytors and not as some would haue it Martyres Finally that my aduersary by his friuolous obiections hath much confirmed and strengthened our cause against which he was not able to obiect any one thing of moment and iustified my allegations being not able to take any iust exception against any thing said by me nor to obiect any thing which is not fully answered CHAP. IIII. Of diuers falsities committed by the Popes and Church of Rome IF our aduersarie had well remembred his promise he ought not onely to haue conuinced me of vntruthes corruptions contradictions and falsifications according to the title of his pamphlet but also of maliciousnesse and wilfulnesse for so he vaunteth he will I challenge the challenger saith he of many malicious vntruthes Cap. 1. pag. 8. and many palpable and wilfull falsifications But when it commeth to performance of corruptions he saith nothing contradictions he toucheth slenderly vntruthes and falsifications he can by no meanes fasten vpon me The qualitie of maliciousnes and wilfulnesse being a matter purposed and fully promised he vtterly forgot In the rest how poorely he hath demeaned himselfe by my answere to his whole dispute it will appeare But suppose I had either mistaken a report misalleadged a place yet