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A66960 Church-government. Part V a relation of the English reformation, and the lawfulness thereof examined by the theses deliver'd in the four former parts. R. H., 1609-1678. 1687 (1687) Wing W3440; ESTC R7292 307,017 452

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that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o give_v her_o consent_n to_o such_o former_a constitution_n concern_v such_o church-government_n as_o well_o as_o other_o church_n all_o which_o have_v be_v discuss_v in_o their_o place_n now_o if_o these_o bishop_n be_v thus_o unjust_o eject_v for_o refuse_v to_o take_v a_o unlawful_a oath_n it_o follow_v §._o sac._n clerg_n §._o that_o the_o bishop_n succeed_v they_o be_v unjust_o introduce_v and_o consequent_o their_o synodal_n act_v illegal_a and_o void_a §_o 187_o to_o prevent_v which_o inference_n i_o find_v this_o plead_v by_o dr._n fern_n examine_v champ._n 2._o c._n p._n 84._o part_n that_o so_o many_o of_o queen_n mary_n bishop_n can_v not_o be_v eject_v on_o any_o other_o ground_n so_o as_o to_o reader_n the_o protestant_a bishop_n a_o major_a part_n that_o have_v none_o of_o these_o bishop_n be_v remove_v yet_o the_o queen_n reforming-bishop_n in_o synod_n will_v have_v make_v a_o major_a part_n for_o say_v he_o α_n there_o 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he_o say_v concern_v the_o clergy_n not_o have_v any_o lawful_a power_n to_o conclude_v any_o thing_n in_o spiritual_a matter_n that_o may_v bind_v king_n or_o subject_a till_o the_o royal_a authority_n confirm_v it_o contrary_a to_o the_o first_o thesis_n it_o be_v true_a say_v he_o the_o clergy_n in_o their_o convocation_n can_v do_v nothing_o now_o but_o as_o their_o do_n be_v confirm_v by_o the_o king_n authority_n and_o i_o conclude_v it_o stand_v with_o reason_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v so_o for_o since_o the_o two_o house_n of_o parliament_n can_v conclude_v nothing_o which_o may_v bind_v either_o king_n or_o subject_a in_o their_o civil_a right_n until_o they_o be_v make_v good_a by_o the_o royal_a assent_n so_o neither_o be_v it_o fit_a nor_o safe_a that_o the_o clergy_n shall_v be_v able_a by_o their_o constitution_n and_o synodical_a act_n to_o conclude_v both_o prince_n and_o people_n in_o spiritual_a matter_n what_o not_o in_o such_o as_o prince_z and_o people_n grant_v 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or_o dispense_v with_o they_o to_o execute_v their_o function_n in_o the_o church_n 1676._o church_n consecr_n of_o protest_v bps._n vindicated_n c._n 4._o p._n 445._o a._n bp._n br._n w._n t._n 1._o edit_n dub._n 1676._o pamphl_n but_o if_o you_o look_v narrow_o into_o the_o word_n of_o the_o instrument_n you_o may_v observe_v that_o the_o cardinal_n very_o cautious_o here_o say_v not_o dispensamus_fw-la or_o recipimus_fw-la in_o the_o present_a as_o he_o do_v in_o every_o one_o of_o his_o other_o dispensing_n but_o dispensabimus_fw-la in_o the_o future_a a._n bp._n br._n it_o may_v perhaps_o be_v object_v that_o the_o dispensative_a word_n be_v recipiemus_fw-la we_o will_v receive_v not_o we_o do_v receive_v i_o answer_v the_o case_n be_v all_o one_o if_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o receive_v they_o in_o the_o present_a it_o be_v as_o unlawful_a to_o receive_v they_o in_o the_o future_a ibid._n future_a ibid._n pamphl_n he_o say_v not_o recipiemus_fw-la simple_o but_o with_o a_o prout_fw-la multae_fw-la personae_fw-la receptae_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la refer_v to_o the_o manner_n of_o reception_n which_o have_v be_v use_v former_o in_o q._n mary_n day_n which_o we_o find_v set_v down_o in_o the_o queen_n 13_o article_n viz._n that_o such_o new_a ordain_v repair_v to_o the_o bishop_n and_o he_o find_v they_o otherwise_o sufficient_a shall_v supply_v that_o which_o be_v want_v to_o they_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o order_n as_o they_o be_v before_o not_o order_v in_o very_a deed_n a._n bp._n br._n all_o that_o be_v do_v after_o be_v to_o take_v a_o particular_a absolution_n or_o confirmation_n from_o the_o pope_n or_o his_o legate_n which_o many_o of_o the_o principal_a clergy_n do_v but_o not_o all_o no_o not_o all_o the_o bishop_n not_o the_o bishop_n of_o landaf_n as_o sanders_n witness_v yet_o he_o enjoy_v his_o bishopric_n so_o do_v all_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o clergy_n who_o never_o have_v any_o particular_a confirmation_n it_o be_v not_o material_a at_o all_o 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