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A74937	The interest of England in the Irish transplantation, stated wherein is held forth (to all concerned in Irelands good settlement) the benefits the Irish transplantation will bring to each of them in particular, and to the Common-wealth in general, being chiefly intended as an answer to a scandalous, seditious pamphlet, entituled, The great case of transplantation in Ireland discussed. Composed and published at the request of several persons in eminent place in Ireland, to the end all who desire it, might have a true account of the proceedings that have been there in the business of transplantation, both as to the rise, progress, and end thereof. By a faithfull servant of the Common-wealth, Richard Laurence.	Lawrence, Richard, d. 1684.	1655 (1655)	Wing L678; Thomason E829_17; ESTC R179375	23,297	35

Irish Proprietors that plants with Irish shall upon the same Lands maintain four times the number of people to be at his beck that the other is able to do and yet be as rich a man at the years end as himself and if he keep Irish about him he is then daily at their mercy if the least disturbance or encouragement be given as was observed before But lastly it will not onely be an encouragement to particular persons and Plantations of English but through the blessing of the Lord in some process of time may make these three Provinces wholly British and thereby enable the English interest in Ireland to support it self which hath hitherto wholly depended upon England for all supplies to Englands great charge and damage and the hazards of bringing over English men bred up in England to indure the hardships of War in Ireland is very great their bodies at the first coming will not indure it hardly one of six lives Whereas to bring over English to plant is no such danger for they not being liable to the hardship of Wars but accomodating themselves with wholsom diet and warm clothes not one of twenty of them usually miscarries so that hereby in stead of having it a grave and place of destruction to English men as hithereto it might become a Nursery and breeder of English not onely to supply its own use to serve the interest of England elsewhere if occasion should be Nay we are not altogether without presidents of this work in Ireland the wisdom of our Ancestors may afford us some countenance therein in the former Wars and Conquest the English have gained in Ireland after which in order to secure their interest they had obtained they have left us some presidents of Transplantation as a thing they judged usefull in order thereto as witness the several Cities of Dublin Droghedah Waterford Cork Youghall Limerick Galway c. which have been entirely planted with English Colonies and the present Irish Inhabitants we found in them are generally of an ancient English extract though degenerated from the manners and interest of their Ancestors native Countrey and People But especially the English Pale were anciently inhabited and planted with English retaining much of the ancient language to this day besides the English Baronies in the County of W●xford both which continue in several things much different from the rest of the Irish people which inferior or smaller pieces of this work may point out to us it hath been before this judged needful and doubtless if they had then obtained the same oportunity and ability to Transplant Provinces as they had to Transplant Counties and Baronies they would have made their English pale of larger extent for compare their oportunity and power to ours doub●less their Transplantation far exceeded what is now intended Much more might be added upon this point to shew that the present persons pitched upon to be transplanted are the fittest and that their Transplantation doth answer many publick ends and is essential to the present and future good Settlement of Ireland and the security of the interest of England therein The last and great Objection the Discussor makes against this work is the impossibility of it which is a considerable Objection if the Gentleman had produced any reasons to prove it For Impossibilities by wise men ought not to be undertaken but making search for them I could find nothing offered to prove that more than what may be supposed to be implyed in pag. 25. wherein he seems to imply those two things First that the Irish may have a dramm of rebellious bloud left in them and will not go And secondly the power and strength of England in Ireland is but a Scare-Crow and a Hat upon a white stick onely fit to drive Geese c. and therefore not able to make them go If the first of these prove true it may imply a difficulty but not an impossibility for when there were many dramms of rebellious bloud in the veins of that People it pleased the Lord who is the Subduer of Rebells to enable the present Army in Ireland to be an instrument in his hands to let it out and bring them under the power of England as at this day And as to the second part the same instrument in the same hand depending upon the same God for strength hath no reason more than their own sinfulness and unworthiness to doubt but they may be as able to compell their obedience to this work so ess●ntially desirable in order to the future good and safety of Ireland as they have been hitherto to reduce them from their great strength and pride they found them in to the condition they are now brought unto and a little compassion as the Discussor would seem to allow in the hearts of the present persons in power in Ireland towards the Natives there I hope the sense of so sad a Judgment as a new Rebellion must necessarily bring upon that poor People if God should give them up to such a spirit of stupidity as to work their own destruction thereby would much more affect them than any sense of their own danger or the danger of the interest they serve by any thing they could do against it more than obstruct a present Settlement and as I do believe the Jesuits and Priests in the beginning of the late Rebellion did profess as much affection and compassion towards the People of Ireland when they instigated and stirred them up thereto as the Discussor doth or can do in his new incitements and encouragements to a second Rebellion so am I as well satisfied in the close of the business if they have a minde to put it upon trial they will have as much cause to bewail their unhappiness and misery therein and the later shall deserve as little thanks from them as the former in the issue Which one Answer shall serve to those two Objections Objection But it may be further objected which some of the Discussors Arguments seem to imply though there be a power in Ireland to compell their obedience yet there is no possibility in them to obtain a subsistence in their journey or when they come there to support themselves and families so that it is equal to them to hazard their destruction in disobedience seeing by obeying they can but perish Answer If this were the true state of this Case there were much in it but let us consider it Is this the first time that persons have removed from one part of a Nation to another to inhabit and is that so impossible a thing that it doth not consist with the being of such as so do I pray you consider what it is to remove from one Nation to another if that be so what will become of all the English that are expected from thence to plant Ireland who I hope will be far greater numbers than the transplanted Irish many of whom must march much farther by Land than most

doing thereof to give their Reasons for it but at present there is no such thing in preparation much less in practice The second mistake is his Arguments against a promiscuous Transplantation without respect to their merit or behaviours which as is before asserted is not so for there are several persons Irish Papists who upon that account of their merit as abovesaid and different affection from the rest manifested to the English in the late Rebellion are wholly exempted from Transplantation either as to their estates or persons nay as is before asserted not any of them that could produce testimony of their good will to the English interest or least good office done to an English person in extremity upon the account of an English-man but there is a mark of favour put upon him for it which being admitted the Discussors Maxime in Christian Religion in pag. 6 7. is no ways entrenched upon by the work of Transplantation but there is much ground to believe his shooting such poysoned Arrowes against Authority thus at the adventure was not so much to heal the Irish wounds as to wound and weaken the English Government and Interest there but innocency is the best Armour against such Darts The third Mistake the Discussor grounds his Discourse upon as in pag. 7. to the 15. is the Principle upon which the thing is done as if Transplantation were principally proposed as a Punishment for Murther or avenging the Bloud spilt in Ireland by the Rebellion in order to which he takes much pains to prove that after Justice is done upon capital Offenders and chief Ring-leaders in a Rebellion or Massacre that then the Body of the People or Commons as he calls them should partake of mercy c. This Position without further troubling our selves with his proofs may be admitted without any reflection upon the work of Transplantation or the Authority imposing or executing the same for the Parliament of England in the same Act of Settlement in which they make provision of a liberty to transplant doth there determine and appoint what the punishment of Murderers and chief Ring-leaders should be excepting of them therein from pardon both of Life and Estate c. And doth therein in pag. 2. declare To the end all the People of that Nation may know that it is not the intention of the Parliament to extirpate the whole Nation but that mercy and pardon both as to Life and Estate should be extended to all Husbandmen Ploughmen Laborers Artificers and others of the inferior sort in manner as is hereafter declared c. And in the Instructions for Transplanting before mentioned pag. 2. they say thus And to the end all persons in Ireland who have right to Articles or to any favor or mercy held forth by any the Qualifications in the Act of Parliament intituled An Act for the Settlement of Ireland may enjoy the benefit intended unto them and every of them respectively by the said Act It is thought fit and resolved That all and every the persons aforesaid shall before the first day of May 1654. remove and transplant themselves into Connaught c. Is there in all this one word tending to ground the Transplantation upon Principles in the extreme of Punishments or avenging of Bloud surely if a person in a work of this weight shall so grosly mistake in the very Essentials and Principles upon which his Discourse is founded there is little reason to expect soundness and truth in things more circumstantial and inferior But if I should proceed to take notice of all the rest of his mistakes absurdities and impertinencies as to the thing with those unjust and scandalous invectives against Authority in his Lines I should both have tyred my self in writing and you in reading thereof to little purpose But for the further clearing up the justice and rationality of this work admit it in some degree to be done upon the account of punishment which in a sense may be admitted for had they never offended they had never been liable thereto Therefore consider what punishment it was they did incurr by their offence which will be the better done First by considering the offence it self which was the most horrid causless Rebellion and bloudy Massacre that hath been heard of in these later Ages of the world and the Offenders not particular persons or parties of the Irish Nation for that had been another case but the whole Irish Nation it self consisting of Nobility Gentry Clergy and Commonalty are all engaged as one Nation in this Quarell to root out and wholly extirpate all English Protestants from amongst them who had for the most of them as legal and just right to their Estates and interest in Ireland as themselves many of them possessing nothing but what they had lawfully purchased and dearly paid for from the Irish and others of them possessing by right of Grant from the Crown of England time out of minde what they did enjoy and the Irish Nation enjoying equal privileges with the English if not much more as the Discussor confesseth pag. 20. the Lawyers were Irish the Jurors Irish most of the Judges Irish and the major part of the Parliament Irish and in all disputes between English and Irish the Irish were sure of the favour as he calls it so that they were under no provocation nor oppression under the English Government at that time when the bloudy Rebells in 1641. committed that inhumane Massacre upon a company of poor unarmed peaceable harmless people living quietly amongst them wherein neither Age nor Sex were spared but from the old man stooping for age to the Babe of a span long were their cruelties extended nay the Infants in the womb were not secure from their merciless butchery but even the women with childe were ript up Virgins deflowred and Wives ravished in the sight of their Parents and Husbands and then all destroyed together by the most inhuman cruelties that could be devised and not onely English people but English Cattle and Houses were destroyed for their being of an English kinde and all this as I said before without the least provocation yet this bloudy inhumane Act with all its agravations were espoused by this People as a National Quarel and a War waged thereupon and Councels constituted for the management thereof who were owned and submitted unto by the body of the People as their supreme legislative Authority in which rebellious practices and cruel War they persisted to the ruining of that flourishing Nation and making of it near a waste Wilderness thereby necessitating England in the time of its own Trouble to maintain an Army in Ireland to preserve a footing there and at last forced them to send over and maintain a potent Army greatly exhausting their Treasure and People to recover their Interest out of the hands of this bloudy Generation and bring the Offenders to condign punishment who had confidence notwithstanding what is before mentioned to dispute the surrender

let out that dramm of rebellious bloud and cure that fit of sullenness he speaks of pag. 25. And to let him know what it is to instigate a People to rebell against the Authority over them But saith he they did see and hear with others eys and ears c. I suppose he doth not mean that in the interim they shut their own and if not but they considered of and weighed the advice they received from all hands then the more they consulted with the more their Results ought to be valued for in the multitude of Counsellours there is safety But saith he those whom they advised with were strangers to Ireland I suppose they that desired their advise did not take them to be so for they should not need to send over to Ireland as he acknowledgeth they did for advice from such as were strangers there they might have had many such nearer hand But by the way you may observe the Discussor was not advised with or at least if they did take his advice they did not like his counsel which I am assured proceeded not from a neglect of serious advice in the business but rather that those in Authority had not altogether so good an opinion of the Discussors judgment in matters of that weight as it appears himself hath For I do know very many persons both of interest and understanding of the ancient English Inhabitants in Ireland that were advised with in this matter both at Westminster and in Ireland besides those whom he calls strangers I hope are not so much strangers to the present constitution and state of Ireland but that they are able to give judgment that the present intended Transplantation is as essential to the future peace and safety of the English interest there as the stopping the Leak of a Ship is to keep it from sinking But saith the Discussor in his second Head the face of things is much differed in Ireland c. But he doth not tell you of which hand whether better or worse whether the Irish be grown so honest that there is no need of it or whether so considerable and stubborn that there is no possibility to do it But I do take his meaning to be of the later from what he saith to that point pag. 25. which I shall further speak to in its place and shall onely give my assent to the truth of this one Assertion as to the present state of Ireland that the face of things are altered there for time was when such Incendiaries durst not have been so impudent in mis-representing the transactions of things there as the Discussor by his Lines and some others of his Accomplices by their false Reports and mis-representations have done and daily do but time will manifest what they aim at and drive towards that have so imployed themselves to their shame and the future caution I hope of any of our friends in England that have been too apt to credit them But I am loth to imitate the Discussor by impertinencies But the third Argument the Discussor produceth by way of Apology in the behalf of Authority to prevent our wondring at them that they should be so overseen as he saith they were herein is to tell you that what their wisdoms thought fit to order their goodness did not think fit to execute as if saith he they waited a time to be gracious to the Irish Nation The summ of which so farr as I can make it hang together is this that the Parliament of England and the Authority under them in Ireland hath been for near these two years spending their time pains and treasure about the work of Transplantation and running all those difficulties and hazards that have attended the same to no other end but to bring the People of Ireland into more misery that they might have an oportunity to shew mercy to them Truly if this have been their design there be a great many more wonderers at them besides the Discussor And I hope there is not the simplest Irishman that is to remove in Connaught who will have so little wit as to believe it they have had and may have cause to judg the Authority in Ireland more serious in their proceeding with them But I suspect the Gentleman was not serious upon this Head for comparing this with the close of his Book modestly desiring them to forbear what they cannot perform think he rather intended it as a reproach upon Authority he judging as I suppose by the way he takes the best means to settle Ireland to be by representing the Authority there not onely oppressive but ridiculous in regard that wisdom goodness and and graciousness here hinted to be in those that sit at the Helm as he calls them is much inconsistent with that cruelty oppression and other misgovernments which in the rest of his Book he labors to lay to their charge Then thirdly as to the proceedings that have been in Ireland upon the business of Transplantation since the arrival of those Authorities and Instructions from the Parliament and Council of State as aforesaid Upon the 12th of September 1653. was a short Declaration annexed to the aforesaid Instructions published by the Commissioners of Parliament then at Dublin requiring their ministers under them to cause the same to be forthwith published in their several Precincts And in October following they again published a large Declaration grounded upon the aforesaid Act of Parliament and Instructions of the Council of State with a further Act of Parliament confirming the same wherein was not onely expresly required That notice should be taken thereof and obedience given thereunto but divers further Rules and Instructions given to the several Ministers under them in each Precinct in Ireland and especially in Connaught for the more orderly carrying on the work not onely as to the Interest of the Common-wealth in respect of the Revenue and safety of the Nation c. But also for the better encouragement of the People to be transplanted both as to the security of their Corn in Ground and what other substance they should leave behinde them from spoil and loss and also to their journying by the way and accommodations there after which were several supplemental Papers published both as to the backing of this first Declaration so far as it did extend which were onely to Proprietors and men in Arms as also to ease it where it might seem to bear hard upon any of them it being much upon the hearts of those in chief Authority in Ireland to extend their power to the utmost length of the Line in a way of tenderness towards the People to be removed though there might be some inconveniences hazarded upon the Common-wealths part thereby so far have they been from cruelty or severity towards the people upon this Account as is charged upon them by the discussor for though the Parliament in their Instructions included all persons within any the qualifications in the Act of

of what they had so boldly come by to the utmost from place to place Ireland having cost England more money and men to recover it than it is or ever is like to be worth to them many a time over and for England now at the close of all to heal up this wound slightly and to leave the Interest and People of England in Ireland at as eminent uncertainties as ever whereby the posterity of this present Generation if not themselves shall after a few years come to be at the mercy and disposition of this bloudy People again except a few inwalled Towns and Garisons if it may be by any lawfull and prudent means prevented I judg those who are wise and ingenuous of the Irish themselves would acknowledg it a weakness and great neglect in those in whose hand God hath placed the power much more all true hearted English men who are so much concerned therein And therefore it remains now to prove that the work of Transplantation at least so far as it is at present declared and intended i●… the most probable means to secure the present English Interest 〈◊〉 Ireland and obtain one there able to secure it self without such immediate dependence upon England as hitherto hath been for men and money to effect the same And for the better making out of this First consider wherein the advantage of the Irish above the English consisted at the first breaking out of the late horrid Rebellion whereby the many thousands of English People then inhabiting in that Countrey became so inconsiderable either as to the preservation of their own Lives and Estates or the publick Interest of England there which chiefly proceeded from their not being imbodied or from their not cohabiting together whereby they might have been in a capacity to imbody they being scattered up and down the whole Nation here and there a few families being thereby wholly subjected to the mercy of the Rabble Irish to the general destruction and ruine of them before the Enemy had either Army Arms or Ammunition more than Skeans and Staves whereas had those English that were then in Ireland been cohabiting together in one entire Plantation or in several Plantations so they had been but entire Colonies of themselves and Masters of the Countrey in which they lived the Irish would hardly have had confidence to have attempted a War much less a Massacre upon them for then before they could have made any considerable Attempt upon the English they must have been somewhat formidable themselves which they could hardly have attained unto without discovering their Plot and there by losing their Design but in case they could have effected the raising a formidable force before they had been discovered yet it would have been a difficult business for them to have fallen upon all the English Plantations at once or to have surprized any one of them more than one quarter upon which they first fell from whence the whole Plantation would receive the Alarm and either be in a capacity to draw together to make present resistance or otherwise at least to betake themselves with the chief of their substance to such strong Holds or Garisons as the Plantation did afford and there to put themselves into a posture to defend their Countrey and rescue their friends and substance from their Enemies And further upon the first Assault of the Irish upon any such English Plantation or any part thereof the whole English Plantations with the English Army in all parts would forthwith receive the Alarm and put themselves into a posture of defence which in that case they might have done without much hazard or difficulty to their persons though their substance in some parts might have been hazarded by their quiting their particular Habitations to draw together though not much if their Plantation had been so settled upon the Sea-coasts as that the Irish could fall but upon the out-quarter thereof they then probably might have preserved all their lives stock and portable goods by driving and bringing them within or under the shelter of their Garison or Rendezvous as for instance the Barony of Ards in the County of Down and Province of Vlster which being entirely planted by British People did preserve themselves by keeping Guards upon their Frontiers when all the Countrey besides was totally ruined and in all former Wars of Ireland the like security hath been enjoyed by the English pale in the County of Dublin and English Baronies in the County of Wexford by the same means Whereas by their promiscuous and scattered inhabiting among the Irish who were in all places far the greater number and in most a hundred to one they were even as Sheep prepared for the slaughter that the very Cripples and Beggars of several of the Countreys where they lived if they rose against them were able to destroy them for they were neither in a capacity to resist nor fly being in the midst of their Enemies and far from Friends some having a hundred some sixty some forty few less than ten miles to travel through their Enemies Countrey where every Bridg and Pass was beset with Rebells to destroy them that they were not onely without help but hope in most places having no other refuge but to fly to the chief of the Irish in their Countrey for succour who in several places set their Cow-boys and Foot-men to murder and torture them and would stand by and make sport of it themselves and others of the Irish Gentry that were more civil would send them away with pretended Convoys who usually murdered them by the way though some there were of the Irish Gentry whose kindness I hope either hath or will be rewarded both by God and man that did really use their endeavours and interest to preserve English lives by whose means some few did escape like Job's messengers to bring the news of the destruction of the rest of their neighbours And if this were the condition of the English in Ireland at the beginning of the Rebellion and the chief outward cause of their sad destruction their promiscuous scattered cohabitations among the Irish then surely it must be the main duty of the Authority of England at this day to contrive and use their utmost endeavours to prevent the like sad destruction for the future which will hardly be provided against without the removing this main cause before mentioned And therefore I would propose as essential to the security of the English interest and People in Ireland that the English inhabiting in that Nation should live together in distinct Plantations or Colonies separated from the Irish and so far as the natural advantage of the Countrey or their own ability will afford it to maintain frontier Garisons upon Lines or Passes for the security of every Plantation and to admit no more Irish Papists that they had not eminent grounds to believe were or would be faithfull to the English interest to live within them then what they might

have as visibly at their mercy and dispose when any new disturbance shall arise as the Irish had them at the breaking out of the last Rebellion and it is my judgement it would not be safe to admit in any English Plantation above the fifth part to be Irish Papists either in the capacity of Tenants or Servants unless in such cases where two Justices of the Peace with two godly Ministers of that Engglish Plantation should receive satisfaction of their being converted to the Protestant Religion and English Civil Manners and Customs For though the Lord hath been pleased so far to own the English Cause and Interest in the late War that they have been able to engage them with far less numbers that one hath put ten and ten one hundred to flight yet in the work of surprizings and unexpected assaults and inroads upon the English the Irish have been usually more expert and vigilant for the Irish are naturally a timorous suspicious watchfull People and on the other hand the English are a confident credulous careless People as our daily experience in Ireland teacheth us And therefore if their numbers should be near equal that advantage which they would have of their Irish Neighbours to correspond with them and fall into their assistance would much add to their encouragement to attempt mischief upon the English with or among whom they lived though they were far less numbers And if this be not admitted that it is essential in order to the safety of the English interest and people that their Plantation should consist of many more English than Irish as above then there is a necessity in order thereto that some of the Irish should be removed out of some parts of Ireland to make way for the English Plantations and if so then a Plantation must be admitted to be essential in order to the security of the English interest and People there So that now the Question must be confined to the extent and manner of this Transplantation Whether it should be total and universal or a partial Transplantation And if but a part What part or Which part And secondly as to the manner Whether all at one time or all to one place c. To the first I answer that so far as the Discussor or my self is able to judg who are but private men and not acquainted with the mysteries and secrets of State the business of a total and universal Transplantation is out of Question as was said before All publick Papers relating to Transplantation confining that work to Proprietors and men in Arms and therefore that I may not as the Discussor hath done his spend my pains in beating the air I shall onely speak to that part of this first Question which is at present in Question viz. What part that is and How many and what sort of persons are fit to be transplanted First as to the number that is required to remove or transplant I judg a less number than what is intended and appointed is not safe if so little for the Proprietors and interessed persons in Lands with all relating to them required to remove with them cannot be rationally judged near the twentieth part of the People of Ireland for the Lands of Ireland were most generally in the hands of the Noblemen and chief Gentry who are for the most part excepted persons for Life and Estate or under Banishment by the Act of Settlement the remaining part being very inconsiderable for number And for persons that have been in Arms though there be too many of them yet in Ireland yet much the greater part of them are transported into forreign Nations so that though it be hard to determine the number of these two sorts of persons yet any man that knows the state of Ireland must acknowledg they are probably so inconsiderable that they will not be missed or discerned as to their numbers in the Countreys from whence they remove farther than one friend may want another and for such of their friends Tenants and Servants not within the Rules who will voluntarily go with them the using force to stay the later would be much more hard than the removing the former so that as to the numbers doubtless if any at all it is not rational to think of less than these two sorts of persons will amount unto But secondly as to the persons themselves Why these two sorts of persons rather than others I answer first for the men in Arms I judg there is not much scruple that this one Reason if there were no more might serve That they have had their hands embrued in the bloud of the English in the late in humane Rebellion of Ireland where the barbarousness and inhumanities that were usually exercised in the Irish Army hath so much enured them to Treachery and Cruelties that they are much unfitted for living in any humane society much more with the English against whom they are so much exasperated And besides many of them have a very great interest in and influence on the People among whom they reside that next unto the Priest and Land-lord the Souldier is esteemed and therefore the same Reasons that may be given for the removing the Priest and the Land-lord will reach the Souldier besides their extraordinary fittedness above others to carry on and much more to execute any treacherous Design against the English they having not onely attained to much more hardness and boldness than the rest of the Natives through use and custom but are withall much more skilfull in the Tory War than the rest are being generally good Guides in the Bogs and Mountains and experienced where and when to take their advantages to do mischief Objection But will it not be more dangerous considering they are a People so able to do harm in a way of War to gather them all into one place Answer Unto such as are not acquainted with the way of the Irish War and wherein their strength lies it might seem so but as the Discussor acknowledgeth in pag. 25. the English Souldiers are more afraid of Tories then Armies and Woods and Boggs than Camps where it will be harder to finde them than to vanquish them and therefore there is nothing more desirable as to the peace of Ireland than to have all persons therein of rebellious Principles and active spirits either banished or otherwise confined to one or some few places that they may know where to provide against them and keep a watch over them which will not onely tend much to the peace of those parts from whence they are removed but also enable England to preserve their interest in Ireland upon much less charge for ten or twenty of these persons turning Tories in those parts where they are acquainted shall require as much force to attend them and preserve the Countrey from them as twenty times their number shall do when confined to a little Circuit that while we leave them in a capacity to be skulking

Tories we play our Game in Irish with them wherein lies their excellency and skill but bringing them into a body confining them unto small Circuits together that if they will be Torying they may be Torying upon one another or otherwise if they have a minde to try their strength they may be forced to imbody you are in English with them wherein upon account of men you have the advantage much of them as experience teacheth But saith the Discussor this is the way to have Tories to transplant the Irish against which saith he pag. 27. they have 't is strange as great a resentment as against loss of Estate yea even against Death it self c. He might have left out his Parenthesis 't is strange for it is not strange they should especially such as are most intelligent and foreseeing among them and consider and esteem their rational interest for they discern well that the business of Transplantation doth more lay the Ax to the root of the Tree of their ●…ure hopes of recovering their lost Ground as to that then the whole fourteen years War hath done without it And therefore 〈◊〉 there were no more Arguments to prove the great concernment ●…f it as to the English interest the Irish great dislike of it were ●…fficient For it cannot be a personal or particular suffering that 〈◊〉 so much affect them therein For one hundred pound per an●…um in Connaught is as good as a hundred per annum in Lem●…r but it is the national interest more than their particulars that ●…y see in danger thereby added to that their unwillingness to ●…it the Possession of their ancient Inheritances and to be settled ●…on other mens Land in Connaught who it's like they may fore●… will bid them such welcome as they will bid the Souldiers and adventures upon their Lands such nicities as these are added to 〈◊〉 main business may trouble them but as to the particular ●…sistence and livelihood they do believe without doubt they 〈◊〉 and shall live as comfortably and plentifull in Connaught elsewhere in Ireland after they are settled But how if they will not go but turn Tories c. Truly if I were convinced there were impossibilities or desperate hazards attending them as to their being or probable comfortable beings I should be loth to have a hand in forcing them but if it be their dramm of rebellious bloud or fit of sullenness which the Discussor prophesies of in pag. 25. that alone is attended with sufficient Arguments to advise it may be put to the trial and that speedily before any more of the Army is disbanded for if the business of Transplantation will be a sufficient quarrel to engage them in a War again so soon they will not long want matter of equal weight with that to pick a quarrel with us and it 's like when they may be better and we worse prepared for if Ireland be not Transplantation-proof at present there is little ground to judg it will be long a quiet Habitation for the English and therefore though a War is to be avoided if possible by all good and safe means yet if they have a minde to it better now than afterwards and therefore there is much more danger not to do it than to do it upon that account Question But though there may seem to be some reason for the transplanting the Souldiers What reason is there the Land-lord or as they are called the Proprietors in Lands should be transplanted more than the Tenant qua Land-lord or Proprietor Answer The being a Land-lord or Proprietor singly considered as such is no fault neither is there any proceedings in the business of Transplantation can give reason for any dis-interessed ingenuous persons to conclude any man so suffers for then all Irish Papists being Land-lords or Proprietors should have been transplanted of course without distinction and if that were intended of what use is all that care and pains that hath been taken to discriminate as is before mentioned Therefore no person is by the Act and Instructions of Parliament for Transplantation or any Order since made in Ireland in the observance of them to be transplanted but such who are within some of the Qualifications therein mentioned and do challenge an Interest and Propriety in such part of their Lands as that Act gives them thereby by which challenge they do give Judgment against themselves by the tenor of that Act of Settlement that they have lived in Ireland since the beginning of the War and have not manifested their constant good affection to the Parliament of England during that time for which they have forfeited all that interest any such of them had in Lands in Ireland in the judgment of the Parliament declared in that Act and as it was in the power of the Parliament to appoint what part of their Estates so forfeited they should enjoy as an Act of Grace from them so was it equally in their power to assign what place in Ireland they should have such part of their forfeited Estates set out unto them in where it might most consist with the good Settlement and preservation of the English interest there And for such Proprietors of Lands in Ireland as will put themselves upon the proof of their constant good affection as I judg several will do the Authority there will readily admit the same and will be so far from transplanting such as shall by such legal trial acquit themselves of their supposed Delinquency against the State that they will rather rejoyce there is any of that Nation that have been so faithfull as to preserve themselves for fit objects of their especial favour and respect Question But are there not many others that are no Proprietors who have been equally guilty with them and yet are not transplanted with them And doth not that savour of partiality in the doing of justice Answer The thing it self may be granted and yet no partiality in the administration of Justice admitted for it is one thing to be a respecter of persons in Acts of Justice whereby one person shall come to bear more than his share in punishment and others less or to receive less than his right in Justice and others more and another thing to extend in Acts of Grace and Favour which is the present Case to some more and others less and therefore saith CHRIST Why should thine eye be evil because mine is good For if the Authority might justly have transplanted the whole the suspension or exemption of any part doth neither wrong especially when the Reason and Aims that lead to the difference bear a publick stamp as in order to the better settlement and fare●y to the Nation Question What are those publick Reasons and Aims that may direct to transplant the Proprietor rather than the Tenant Answer First there may be something said as to matter of merit wherein the Proprietors have generally deserved to suffer more than the Tenant and common Husbandman