although a false constitution be a sinne yet it is not Idolatry you must manifest it to me to be a sin of another commaundemeÌ„t if you plead that otherwise I stil hold it to be a sinne of the Second commaundement viz to worship God in a constitution of an humane invention even as it was in the Church of Ieroboams in vention as it is in a popish parish assembly as it is in the English assemblies now further to prove vnto you that a false constitution of a Church is an Idol I use these places 2. Cor. 6.16 VVhat agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols The faithful who have made a covenant with God are heer cailed the temple of God thervnto are Idols opposed signifying that an assembly of men who are vnfaithfull though some faithful meÌ„ be among them who are commaunded to come out to be Seperated endevoring to worship God after ther fashion are an Idol therfor if the temple of Ierusalem now stood the Iewes assembled to worship God ther after the fashioÌ„ of the Old Testament that assemblie was an Idol So are the assemblies of Turkes Idols So are the assemblies of Papists Idols as Abbayes Monasteries c. Such are al churches framed of a false matter or having a false covenant 1. Ioh. 5.21 Babes keep your selves from jmages Zach. 11.17 The Apostle who wrote the Revelation forseing through the Spirit of prophecy the abhominable Idolatryes of Antichrist which would grow vp in the Church giveth the Churches a caution especially to take heed of those Antichristian Idolatryes now the Idolatryes of Antichrist are not heathenish paganish but of another nature viz not false Gods but meanes invented by men to worship the true God in or by Hence I gather thus VVhatsoever meanes is devised out of a mans brayne vsed as a meanes to honour God in or by is an Idol A devised constitution of a Church is of that nature Ergo an Idol For further amplification whereof consider that as a false minister wherof afterward is an Idol minister Zach. 11.17 So a Church of a false constitution is a false Church that is an Idol Chuch as it was vnlawful yea flat Idolatry for a Priest of Ieroboams devising to offer Sacrifice to the L. So is it also Idolatry to offer vp service to God in a Church of a false constitution Col. 2.23 Mat. 15.9 Wil-worship vayne-worship is forbidden in these two places namely such worship as is offered to God after the wil precept of man whose wisdome is enmity to God But a false constitution of a Church is after the will precept of man even invented devised go it is forbidden but wil worship vayne worship is a transgression of the second commaundement go it is idolatry so that false Church wherin or wherby it is offered vp to God an Idol These things are manifest to him that wil not blindfold himself I pray you consider of the particulars by mee alledged if you find a truth in them embrace the truth lead on your people with you to the truth if not let vs heer from you an answer that we may see our errors wee wil can reforme so cannot you so long as you stand as you doe ther is no way to reforme but to Seperate as we have done already Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the third Section I published a litle Methode not long since intituled Principles inferences concerning the visible Church in the tenth page of the book I write thus visible Churches constituted according to the devise of men are Real Idols Mr. Bern. in the beginning of his third Section chargeth vs to hold That an erroneous constitution of a Church is a real Idol in his book intituled the Seperatists Schisme pag. 79 hath these wordes They hould our constitution a real Idol so vs idolaters pag. 152. of the same book he writeth thus that our Church viz the Church of England standeth in an adultrous estate accounting this as an error that wee defend Mr. Ainsw in the answer to Mr. Bern. pag. 172. faith that a false constitution of a church set vp in stead of a true what is it better then a very Idol Heer let vs consider the difference agrement betwixt Mr. Ains me he saith a very Idol I say a real Idol I cal a false constitution a real Idol For that in existence being it is an Idol Mr. Ainsw calleth a falsely constituted Church a very Idol bicause it is indeed truly an Idol heer is litle difference except it be in wordes but for the further cleering of my position viz that a falsely constituted Church is a real Idol two things must be discovered 1. what an Idol is 2. what Real is For the first vnderstand that most properly an Idol is contrary to an ordinance apoinred by God in matter of Religion So the Apostle willeth the brethren to keep themselves from jmages or Idols 1. Ioh. 5.21 the Lord himself in the Second Commaundement forbiddeth vnder the phrases of making worshipping jmages al inventions of men in matter of Religion Exod. 20.4.5 Now matter of religion especially subsisteth in Religious worship or religious government For the Saynts are made Kings Preists vnto God as Kings they excercise a regiment as Preists they performe their Sacrifices Revel 1.6 1. Co. 6 1-9.1 Pet. 2.5 therein they performe homage to the Lord submit their consciences to be wrought vppon seing the conscience must bow only to the Lord not to man otherwise then in the Lord therfor in matter of Religion the conscience is not to yeeld to any thing devised by man but must alwayes have the Lord for the leader Governor therein hence then it foloweth that whosoever substituteth any devise of man any thing taught by the precept of man Mat. 15.9 Esay 29.13 any will worship or any ordinance of the world in matter of Religion setteth vp that which is contrary to the Lords ordinance contrary to the Lords wil contrary to the Lords wisdome I would fayne learne whither this be not an Idol or jmage So that Idols are of two sorts 1. A false God 2 A false meanes to honor or submit or doe homage to the true God in or by as a false or devised tyme place person instrumeÌ„t action if theâ—be any thing of the like consideration therfor a false or devised tyme may be caled an Idol day as 1 King 12.33 the month which Ieroboam appointed for the worship of his Calves is called the month which he had forged of his owne hart that is an Idol moneth so by consequent the 15 days of that moneth an Idol day So in the old Testament the place where God was to be worshipped was the Tabernacle or Temple Deut. 12 5-8 therfor the high places in iudah also DaÌ„ Bethel in Israel were Idol places bicause
covenant to walk in all Gods wayes standing in confusion with every abhominable liver subject to al the Antichristian orders officers set over them deprived of the powre of Christ for ther mutuall help edification ther is no true Church But the parish assemblie of worksap is such go it is no true Church The Major is manifest by these Scriptures compared together Math. 15.9 Apocal. 14 9-11 Ephes 1.1.4 2. Corinth 6 14-18 Math. 28.20 5.19 Apocal. 18.4 Math. 5.24 The Minor you dare not deny I assure my self For you have at least five or six hundreth communicants you account not past 30. or 40. of them faithful al of you submit to Antichrist his lawes courts dayly especially your self who cap knee runne ride after Antichrists officers courts feeing him with your money yea you plead for them write your peny pamphlets for them and yet once yon wrote against them and lost your vicaridg in your testimonie against them but bicause you could not buy and sell except you receaved the mark of the beast now you are content to yeeld to all yea to plead for all that you may tâ—affique with your marchandize Secondly for your self I hold you to be no true minister of Christ For your Church being false how can your ministerie be true For if the Fountaine be bitter the streame caÌ„ not be sweet your Church is false your ministerie which ariseth out of your Church as astreame from a Fountaine is false also Thirdly your worship which commeth from a false Church a false ministerie cannot be true but is false in that double respect but particularly I except these things against your worship 1. That it is qualified with your false ministerie 2. That it is offered vp in a false Church 3. That it is offered vp to God in the behalf of al your people which are many of theÌ„ I presume lewd persons al of them subjects of Antichrists Kingdome this I except against your conceaved prayers Against your service book I except thus besides the former 1. It is devised invented by the man of sinne 2. That it is imposed vppon you your people of necessity 3. That it is stinted limited the Spirit therby quenched 4. That it is read vppon a book 5. That it is corrupt in all the particular errors objected by the Puritans All these 8 particulars are contrary to these Scriptures compared together Roman 8.26 Math. 15.9 Apocal. 5.8 8.3 1. Thessal 5.19 Apocal. 9.20 16.13.14 Act. 16.18 19 13-16 Math. 24 23-26 1. Corinth 12.7 and 2.4 and 14.15.26 Ierem. 23.16 Deut. 13.3 Col. 3.16 Iam. 5.13 Ioh. 4.24 Mr. Ber. I would not have you passe by these things lightly but weigh them wel and let vs have your answer vnto them Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the tenth Section This Section consisteth of three maine branches which Mr. Bern. handleth from pag. 109. to the 150. of his book called the Sep. Schis Heer therfor I must endevor two things First to prove by vndeniable arguments drawne from the Scriptures that 1. the asseÌ„blies Ecclesiastical of England are false churches 2. the Ministers administring the holy things to these Ecclesiastical assemblies are false Ministers 3. the worship performed by the ministery people in the communion visible to be a false worship Secondly Mr. Bern. objections cavils must be refuted wher the reader must be advertised that in performing this latter part I shall not endevour to handle all things that Mr. Bernard propoundeth for ther is much truth by him propounded which I with him consent vnto only the points of difference shal be discusted the rest omitted In the first place therfor to deale as they say positively Kataskeuasticos I prove that al the Ecclesiastical assemblies of the Land as they stand established by law are false Churches that is to say not framed or constituted according to that presideÌ„t which Christ hath left for the constituting of the Churches of the new Testament but are framed according to the invention of man even that man of sinne Antichrist the Archenemy of Christ The first Argument from Mat. 3.6 Iam. 2.18 Rom. 1.7 1. Cor. 1.2 Eph. 1.1 Mat. 28.19 From these places of Scripture compared together I collect an argument which may thus be framed The true Churches of Christ were established of men that did repent beleeve and shew their faith by their workes that were Saints faithful visiblie of these only The assemblies Ecclesiastical of England are not established only of such persons but of al sorts of persons even the most profane of the Land being compelled by law to submit therto Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true established churches of Christs institution Heer it may be considered that before the Churches of the new Testament were established the gospel was preached vppon the publishing of the gospel men were converted to the faith of Christ being made the Disciples of Christ so many of them whither Iewes or Gentils as gladly receaved the word were baptized added to the Church continued in the Apostles doctrine fellowship breaking of bread prayer this was the constitution walking of the Churches of the Apostolique institution therfor the Churches of England being raised by compulsion without procedent teaching conversion to the faith making of them Disciples of Christ being newly hardly drawne from the Egipsian darknes of most palpable Antichristianisme being many of them brutishly ignorant prosessed Papists vild Atheists witches conjurers theeves dronkards blasphemers al of them submitted to Antichristian Lords Lawes to Popish Sacrificing Preists for their ministers were not newly ordeyned to a stinted devised corrupted Popish service book or worship they in this their constitution walking cannot be accounted the true established Churches of the Apostolique institution but rather are yet â—emayning in the gulfe of Antichristianisme The second Argument from 2. Cor. 6.17 Revel 18.4 Act. 19.9 2.40.47 5.13 1. Timoth. 6.5 From these such like places of Scripture compared together truly expounded may be collected an argument framed after this manner True Churches of the Apostolique institution consisted of a people seperated from â—â—eleevers whether Iewes or pagans or other The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England consist not of such a Seperated people but are compounded of a mixt people which for the most part are as bad as Iewes or Pagans viz persons notoriously wicked Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the truly constituted Churches of the Apostolique institution Heer it wil nothing availe them to alledg as they are accustomed that they are neither Iewes nor Pagans For I have already proved that persons that submit to Antichrist his abhominations are in the Lords account equal to Pagans being called in the book of the Revelation Egiptians Sodomites Babylonians Gentils the Apostle willeth the Disciples to Seperate
faith are the members of the Church of England baptized which the Law establisheth which the Prelates Ministers teach which the Church of England professeth which the minister baptising intendeth wherto the parents witnesses or Susceptors consent which the service-Service-book expresly mentioneth But the law doth not establish the Prelates ministers do not teach the Church of England doth not professe the baptizer doth not intend the parents Susceptors doe not consent to the Servicebook doth not mention the Faith of Christ simply but the Faith of Bbs. or Church of England Ergo The members of the Church of England are not baptized into the Faith of Christ simply but into the Fayth of the Bbs. or Church of England which is the false Fayth of the baptizer of the Suertyes or parents and so the Faith of the baptisme For the second point let vs consider the faith repentance of the Church of Englād I meane of the faith that is visibly professed expressed in the fruites of repētance amōg them therby we shal know the tree The faith of that Church is not a true faith which teach professe a false mediator the repentance of that Church is not a true repentance which practise according to that false doctryne But the assemblies Ecclesiastical of England with the teachers professors of them teach and professe a false Mediator For they teach that Christ is a Mediator of all that false Church Ministery VVorship and Government established in the Land Sacrificing and making intercession for them in the dayly practise al those abhominations Ruling and Governing them by all the Ecclesiasticall Hierarchy and by the courts canons Ecclesiastical which are the inventions of the man of sinne Teaching Prophesying vnto them by those Antichristian Prelates Preists Deacons which raigne in the Land so practising according to this false Faith practise a false repentance Ergo the Faith of the Church of England of the teachers professors therof the repentance of them is not true but false But it wil be objected against both these assertions that although one thing be intended in baptisme yet the Lord may admit of accept another though they professe preach falsely yet the Lord he can doth no doubt work mervaylously besides al that we can think or speak Truth I yeeld it most willingly blessed be the Lord for his infinite vnspeakeable mercy therein but we dispute not what God can do of his powre or wil do of his mercy things vnknowne vnto vs but we speake of things revealed and manifested vnto vs according whervnto we must walk judg of matters according to that which we see according as the word judgeth according as the Church members of the Church of England teach professe practise visibly which is seen discerned of vs we are to passe our censure but we judg no man before the tyme we doe not clyme vp into Gods judgment seate our Faith is visible our repentance is visible our charity visible our Spirit visible our baptisme visible our preaching visible our covenant visible our Church visible our judgment visible things that are revealed aperteyne to vs our Children that say we is false in the assemblies Ecclesiastical Secreat things aperteyne to the Lord these we leave to the Lord we medle not with them this I desire may once for al be remembred pondered so I end this matter The Fiftenth Section The next point is your Fourth wherin you do vs open injury viz. 4. In holding that Princes have no more to do in ecclesiastical causes then one of you in a particular congregation these are your wordes Mr. Ber. I challeng you in this particular imputation to be either a malicious or an ignorant slaunderer For eyther you know not what we teach concerning Princes Authorityes so slaunder vs ignorantly or if you know our judgmēt in that matter you slaunder vs malitiously Remember that the Prophet in the Psalmes complayneth that his enemyes digd pits for him laid snares grinnes nets in his way to catch him ynawares to bring evil vppon him are you now become such an enemy vnto vs doe you think by calling into question the Supremacy of Princes imputing therin treason to vs to catch vs in a snare cause vs to fal into the pit if this be your course thus to hunt the Soules of men look vnto your self therin you manifest litle grace to me but let vs heer the cause you impute to vs. you say we hold that princes have no more to do in ecclesiastical causes then one of vs in a particular congregaciō I say for myne owne part I think I may say it for al the brethren of our Church that herin you do shamefully belie vs I wil therfor manifest what we hold teach concerning Princes Supremacy 1. First wee teach hold according to the Scriptures that Princes civil Estates are the Lords blessed ordinance Rom. 13.2 2. Secondly that every Soule ought to be subject vnto the civil Magistrates of what estate condition soever they be Rom. 13.1 Tit. 3.1 1. Pet. 2.13 3. Thirdly that we must absolutely submit vnto the civil Magistrate eyther to do his lawful commaundements or to suffer his vnlawful punishments by consequence from the former places 4. Fourthly that it is vnlawful for any subject to make insurrection or rebellion against the civil Magistrates by consequence from the former places 5. Fifthly that it is the Magistrates office to be the keeper of both the tables of the cōmaundemēts both to abolish Idolatry al false wayes also to forbid punish al vnrighteousnes as also to commaund cause al men within there Dominions to walk in the wayes of God being fitted prepared therevnto and that by the examples of David Iosaphat Hezechiah Iosiah Nehemiah Roman 13.4.5 Psalm 101. toto and 132. 2-5 6. That a Prince hath powre in a particular visible Church to punish any wickednes any one committeth and to cause that visible Church to assume practise any truth Gods word teacheth ex praecedentibus now this is more authority then any one particular member hath 7. VVee teach notwithstanding that Princes if they wil be saved must bee members of a true visible Church must walk ther in the obedience of Gods Commaundements ordinances submitting to the censures for the reformation salvation of his soule as well as to the preaching to the VVord administration of the Seales of the covenant prayers c. bicause God hath appointed but one way to save the Soules of Princes and Subjects 8. If civil Magistrates be by censures cast out of the true visible Church yet they are stil to be accounted Gods ordinance stil to bee obeyed in the L. stil to be submitted to in regard of their punishment no rebellion or insurrection to be made against them by any of the Church whatsoever but prayer
of love to the brethren seing they neyther know nor have brethrē vppō whome they may exercise these dutyes Therfor this place of the Apostle is pregnant invincibly strong against you The third place is 1. Cor. 1.1 Now what wordes Mr. Bern intendeth in this place I can not conjecture except they be these viz. in the second verse with al those that cal vpon the name of the L. Iesus Christ in every place whence it may seem he would gather that ther were some subjects of Christs Kingdome not of a constituted Church I do verely think that seing these persons that were absent frō the Church of Corinthus did call Iesus Christ Lord they did therfor acknowledg him for their Lord King therefor did apertayne to his Kingdome which is his visible Church happily they might be some brethren which did not dwel in Corinth but in some villages about Corinth that this is so the place afordeth evidently For he wrote both to the Church that was in Corinth to the brethrē that were in other places which were no doubt of the church of Corinth El◠how did that Epistle in the contents of it concerne them For seing the Apostle writeth this Epistle to them they had to doe with the matters wherof he taxeth the church for he taxeth them al indifferently seing he writeth indifferently vnto them al Herevppon it followeth that eyther these persons that were in other places were mēbers of the Church of Corinth or els if they were no members off that church the Apostle in vayne doth direct his Epistle to them taxing them off the corruptions off that Church Except it be said that the Apostle doth hereby interest other churches to deale with the Church of Corinth for their corruptiōs then Mr. Bern. gayneth nothing by it neither seing therby he confesseth that these other brethren were members of other true constituted churches The third place therfor is nothing to the purpose The last place is 2. Thes 3.15 count him not as an enemy but admonish him as a brother To passe by what some think of this place I say vnto you Mr. Bern that it hath not so much as a shew for your purpose The Apostle speaketh in this verse negatively affirmatively For he teacheth that they ought not to recken of an excommunicate as they account of an enemy but they are to admonish an excommunicate as they doe admonish a brother Therby teaching vs that an excōmunicate is in a midle condition neyther an enemy nor a brother but one that is vnder the censure of the church as a meanes ordeyned by God for his reformation how wil this place prove that an excommunicate is a member of Christs invisible Kingdome or if it should prove that some excommunicate are members of Christs invisible Kingdome how can you prove that this or that excommunicate is so do you know the Lords Elect certaynly particularly that are out of the church Or what doth this assertion of yours this place of Scripture against my assertion who say that such as are not of a true constituted church are no subjects of Christs Kingdome viz Of the Kingdome which he shal give vp into the hands of his Father in the day of his final judgment In the third place Mr. Bern. asketh what may be said of wicklife Hus Luther Bucer Melanchthō the Martyrs Gods people in England of Lot Iob the people in captivity in Mordecay his tyme wherto I answer as I have already done That Iob was a member of a true constituted church so a subject of Christs Kingdome So was Lot so were the people of the Iewes in captivity though violently deteyned from the Holy land Cittie Temple therfor Mr. Bern. in these three demaundes gaineth nothing except the estimation of ignorance folly be gaine to that of the Martyrs Hus Luther Gods people in England I say two things eyther that in affection desire they aperteyned to the true visible church being seperated from the false church or that they were of the invisible church of the invisible Kingdome which is vnknowne to man the members therof vnknowne disprove you this if you can In the last place you demaund whither Christs Kingdom be not Spiritual invisible also Ioh. 18.33 10.16 The two places of Scripture quoted by you do not prove that Christ hath an invisible Kingdome so invisible subjects knowne to vs For Ioh. 18. Christ saith my Kingdom is not of this world that is to say it is not begunne continued perfected by worldly meanes So Christ expoundeth himself afterward saying my Kingdom is not from hēce my subjects would fight for mee vs 36. meaning that his Kingdom is neyther erected nor supported by worldly meanes as by sword speare or shield in respect whereof the Apostle saith Rom. 14.17 The Kingdome of God is not meate nor drinck 2. Cor. 10.3.4 Though we live in the flesh yet we do not warre after the flesh for the weapens of our warfare are not carnal The second place is Ioh. 10. VVher Christ saith not as you dreame very ignorantly childishly that he hath an invisible Kingdome but that he hath sheep of two sorts some of the visible Church of the Old Testament which is one fold some of the visible Church of the New Testament which is another sold o◠the Iewes Gentils both which sorts of people shal in Christ Iesus the partition wal being taken away be joyned made one that so ther may be one sheepfold one shepheard but what is al this Mr. Bern. to disprove the truth of my position Again to answer your demaund I say that Chr. Kingdome is Spiritual invisible aswel as outward visible For when we say that Christs Kingdome is visible sensible we do not deny that it is also invisible Spiritual neyther are these two contraryes to be oposed as excluding one another For as a man is not only the body which is visible sensible but cheefly principally the soule which is invisible as the true Sacraments are not only the outward Elements but the inward grace also that most especialy So the visible Church which consisteth of men is not only the outward communion but especially cheefly the inward Spiritual fellowship which the Saynts have with Christ one with another The Apostle therfor saith both that ther is one body one Spirit Eph. 4. that al that are baptized are baptized into one body al that communicate are caused to drinck into one Spirit 1. Cor. 12.13 And as the Saynts are members of Christs body of his flesh of his bones Eph. 5.30 So they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spiritt 1. Cor. 6.17 we grant you therfor Mr. Bern. that Christs Kingdome is Spiritual visible but we deny that Christs Kingdome is only invisible or only visible he that doth plead to me that
to the covenant Christ the promises as a freholder hath to his lands possessions Esa 9.6 Vnto vs a sonne is given the chruch is the spouse of Christ so hath powre to Christ the covenant promises the Church is the body of Christ the body hath a real possession title powre to the head all the helps therof For the faithful are flesh bones of Christ Eph. 5.30 these things are manifest to them that wil vnderstand if any man be ignorant let him be ignorant But it may be Mr. Bern. you wil say that powre to bind lose are no properties of the Church but only priviledges For shame say not so Surely this plea argueth that either you got litle Logick in the vniversity or that you have forgot it or if you remeÌ„ber it you either carelesly neglect it or wilfully pervert the vse of it to seduce your followers I pray you tel me in good sooth what difference is there betwixt a priviledg a propertie Is not a priviledge according to the notation of the word privata lex a private law wherin one person or state is interessed The King hath certaine previledges or prerogatives as to pardon condemned persons to dispence with his law a negative voice in parliament c. I would faigne know of you whither these be not properties such as the Kings Queenes of the nation only have title to no other but consider wel with your self what relation ther is betwixt a priviledg the person that is interressed in the priviledg Is it not the relation of the subject the adjunct A priviledg therfor is an adjunct to the priviledged person Now al adjuncts are either proper or common adjuncts but a priviledge is not a common adjunct as I am sure you wil confesse or els you want reason therfor it is a proper adjunct It it be a proper adjunct it is a propertie so your distinction is senselesse vnscholler like you may aswel say that pepper is hot in working cold in operation as to say that the true Church may be without her priviledges but not without her properties Therfor I doe heer before the L. attach you as a deceaver of the people in teaching thus contrary to al learning true vse of reason that the powre of the Lord Iesus Christ given to the church one part whereof consisteth in binding losing is only a priviledg not a propertie of the true Church that the true Church may want it It is as impossible for the true Church to want Christs powre as for a man to want reason Mr. Ber. answer now or els yeeld to the truth you cannot for shame denie the one of them Paralleles Censures Observations aperteyning to the seaventh Section In this Section I write prove that the powre of binding losing is given to the whole multitude not to the principal members therof Mr. Bern. in his book intituled the Sep. Schisme pa. 88. calleth it the A.B.C. of Brownisme to hold That the powre of Christ that is authority to Preach to administer the Sacraments to exercise the censures of the Church belongeth to the whole Church yea to every one of them not the principal members therof Mr. Ains answering Mr. Ber pa. 174. Saith that Mr. Ber. may put this opinion if he please in the Criss-crosse-rew of Bernardisme he himself being the first that ever he heard to vtter such a position afterward pa. 175. 176. 177. 178. Expoundeth what that auncient Church whereof of he is teacher holdeth concerning it Wel Let vs handle these things largely to ful satisfaction herein I professe befor the Lord befor the whole world that if I do not prove evidently my assertion that the powre of binding losing is given to the whole multitude not to the principall members therof I wil acknowledg the Churches of England yea the Churches of Rome yea the Greek Churches also to have a true ministery to be true churches of Christ For if the ministerie the holy things with the ministerie come by succession from the Apostles handes through the churches of Rome the Grecians that ther are no ministers but such as are made by theÌ„ froÌ„ theÌ„ successively our whole cause of Seperation lyeth in the dust we must disclaime our Schisme which we have made our heresies which we hold but if it be proved that the true ministerie commeth not by succession from the churches of Rome or the Grecians that the holy things are not given to the ministery by sucessioÌ„ but are giveÌ„ first to the body of the church the faithful yea though they be but two or three that both the ministerie and all the powre that the ministerie hath doth â—â—ow from the Fountayne Christ Iesus through the body of the Church 〈◊〉 the Presbytery then is your Church ministerie false so are the Churches of the East West much more then we those Churches only which raise vp their Ministerie from the Election aprobation ordination of a faithful people are the true Church of Christ having the true Ministerie of Christ you with the rest of Gods people in Babylon must seperate joyne together walk in the Lords ordinances as we other true Churches doe or els woe be vnto you from the Lord Therfor in this particular I would supplicate the Kings Majestie my Soveragne Lord on earth the Lords of the Parliament The Gentlemen that susteyne the person of the commons in the nether howse al the learned men of the Land to confider to search out this point For it being throughly cleered may breed peace infinite good to the whole nation whereas it being suppressed choked darkened neglected draweth with it al the contentions and controversies amongst them that professe Christ in the whole earth For my part Mr. Ber. I wil endevour according to my poore hability to discover what I have conceaved and doe vndoubtedly beleeve from the Scriptures and doe make the beginning of my inquisition after this manner which I desire the gentle reader to weigh consider of with his best attention Christs visible church which is his Kingdom hath in it a spiritual powre and jurisdiction by the confession of al that professe Iesus Christ which powre is of two sortes 1. The powre of Christ himself who is the Lord King of his Church Mat. 28.18 and he is the Fountaine of powre being the head of the Church which is his body Eph. 1.22.23 For as the head is the Fountaine of life sense motion powre to the whole body as the Mr. of the howse is the original of al oeconomical powre So is Christ the original of al spiritual life sense motion powre to the Church which is his body family This is evident in regard of this powre which is inherent in Christ the church which
preisthood of Aarons Family was the Lords ordinance sometyme but the popish Sacrificing preisthood in the mayne substantial parts therof is not only mans device but infinitely impious blasphemously derogating from the honour dignity of Christs Sacrifice preisthood which is aparabatos intransitive Heb. 7.24 according to the order of Melchisedech seing the popish Sacrificing preisthood is in the very essence of it false how can the English prelacy preisthood Deaconry which issued from that Romish preisthood be any other but a sacrificing preisthood although the English prelates have cast away that essential Sacrificing property or forme rather of the Romish preisthood have reduced it to a better temper yet that wil not serve the turne for al that they have in their prelacy preisthood Deaconry they had frō Rome or els where If from Rome then their prelacy preisthood Deaconry is absolutely Romish no other if elswhere then their Succession is gone If both from Rome els where let them declare that Ridle vnto vs. The third Objection The presbyters may have ordination or imposition of hands from the Romish preisthood yet not their office For that may come from heaven or by some extraordinary meanes even as the Lord raised vp some men extraordinarily in these last tymes to restore the truth of doctryne to reduce things to the Apostolique primitive institution as amongst others Hus Luther the rest Answer to the third Objection It is straunge that a man shal have imposition of hands from one his office from another Besides it is contrary to the nature of Succession wherein the partie that ordeyneth giveth the office ministeriall powre to him that is ordeyned for that it the thing that is pleaded that Christs ministeriall powre commeth by Succession through ordination of precedent presbyters It contradicteth their owne ground therefore to say that imposition of hands is from a popish preist and the true office from some other meanes But let vs inquire what that other meanes may be To say that Christs Ministeriall powre is from heaven is not denyed but the question is What is the instrument or meanes which Christ hath appointed to conveigh that Ministeriall powre vnto man kind And who are they that first receave it from Christs hand out of heaven Or what is proton dektikon the first subject of this ministerial powre We say the Church or two or three faithful people Seperated frō the world joyned together in a true covenant have both Christ the covenant promises the ministerial powre of Christ given to them that they are the body that receave from Christs hand out of heaven or rather from Christ their head this ministerial powre you say not so but this ministerial powre commeth by succession from the ministery which is the first subject of this powre that al this powre is derived from man to man from the Apostles hands through al the Preists hands of Rome the Prelates hands of England to you Mr. Bern. your line pedigree of Preisthood is lineally descended from Peter or Paul c. to you through so many generations of popish preists as have succeded from Peters person to your person Even as Annas Cayaphas descended lineally from Aaron only this is the difference that the succession of Annas Cayaphas was by genealogie or generation yours is by succession of ordination or imposition of hands therfor bicause you see that you fal vnder this foule absurdity that your Preisthood must be of necessity of the same kind that the popish preisthood is you have invented a new trick to say that it commeth from heaven extraordinarily with Hus Luther and the rest of those glorious witnesses which the Lord in these last tymes raised vp to the destruction of the man of sinne VVhich if it be so Then say I shew your succession from Luther Hus Prage c. Or els Nechemiah will putt you from your preisthood The fourth Objection But every King in his dominions is appointed by Christ to be a head ministerial to the Church al the Preists of that country do receave their ministerial powre from the King by the ordination of the Bbs. vnto whome the King hath committed the dispensation of that powre so that the King being the Lords Lieftenant in his owne dominions hath this ministerial powre from Christ the Bbs. from the King the Preists from the Bbs. the Church from the Preists Answer to the fourth Objection If the King of every country hath Christs ministerial powre given to him immediately from heaven that the Clergie of that nation have Christs ministerial powre from the King then these consequents folow which are intolerable absurdities 1. The King of every country is a person civil Ecclesiastical having al civil ecclesiastical powre that immediately from Christ 2. The King of every country can preach administer the Sacraments exercise Spirituall jurisdiction excommunicate c. 3. The King of every country can make ordeyne Ministers 4. The King of every country is a Pope or Patriarch in his owne territories and Dominions How these points wil agree with the Analogie of faith let every man judg so give sentence whither this objection conteyne any the least shew of truth in it yea or nay Now what authority the Lord hath given every King in his owne dominions I leave to be descussed in his proper place viz in the 15. Section of this lettre to Mr. Bern. The fifth Objection But the ministery is now extraordinarily raised vp For as in the first planting of the Churches the Lord Iesus vsed the extraordinary ministery of Apostles Prophets Evangelists to publish the Gospel to the world to plant Churches so after the Apostacy of Antichrist in the restoring of the truth the Lord vseth the same extraordinary ministerie not indued with those extraordinary gifts which they had but apointed by the L. for the same purposes viz the planting of true Churches the revealing of his truth Answer to the fifth Objection First the Ministers of England namely you Mr. Ber. among the rest do not chalendg to be Apostles Prophets Evangelists but you say you are true presbyters or Pastors of particular true visible Churches therfor this objection helpeth you nothing if it were yeelded you Secondly you cannot maintayne your ordinary ministerie as succeding by ordination from these supposed Apostles Evangelists Prophets for then you must acknowledg the prelates of England to be Apostles Prophets Evangelists whereas they doe challendg no such thing But only maintayne themselves to be ordinary Bbs. the ordinary Successors of the Apostles neither do they intend to make you ministers as Apostles but as Bbs. Thirdly ther is none of the Reformists that ever I heard of that vndertake as Apostles Prophets Evangelists to ordeyne Elders Finaly how can any of you be Apostles Prophets or Evangelists who stand members of
the assemblies in subjection to the prelates whose Lords you are if you be either Apostles Prophets or Evangelists but you see they are your Lords For either you are false Apostles false Prophets or els by the evidence of the word Spirit you must rise vp stand out against depose the prelates whose authority you say is Antichristian besides that you must prove vnto vs by good sufficient warrant that the Lord raiseth vp Apostles prophets Evangelists to overthrow Antichrist to restore the true ministerie that you who with al your might support the Throne of the beast are those Apostles prophets Evangelists whome the L. raiseth vp for that purpose which yet you never have done or attempted to do whither you can do or not I leave to the consideration of al those that search after the truth Hetherto I have proved by sufficient arguments negatively that Christs Ministeriall powre is not given by Christ primarily by succession either to the pope Bbs. or presbytery whose claime dependeth vppon one the same title viz Successive ordination from the Apostles through the Church of Rome to the hands of every preist or presbyter in England therfor the Ministerial powre of Christ must needes be given primarily to the bodx of every visible Church though they be but two or three in nomber For this is a sufficient Enumeration of parts that Christs ministerial powre is given primarily either to the Pope Bbs. Presbytery or body of the Church except that men wil say it is given to the King of every Kingdom which is an absurdity intollerable as is already declared which I never heard pleaded for which the Kings of England doe renounce But Christs ministerial powre is not giuen by successive ordination either to the Pope Bbs. or Presbytery primarily or originally therfor Christs ministerial powre is givē to the body of the Church viz to two or thre faithful people joyned together into an Ecclesiastical politique body by the true covenant or new testament of Christ Iesus But bicause happily some persons may be vnsatisfied seing the former arguments are only grownded vppon reason not frō particular evidence of Scripture Therfor I hold it necessary furthermore to confirme this truth of the L. by vndeniable growndes of Scripture that affirmatively as followeth The first Argument from Mat. 16 13-20 From this place of Scripture I frame an argument after this manner Christs Disciples are Christs Church Mat. 16.13.18 Christs ministerial powre is given to Christs Disciples Ergo Christs ministerial powre is given to Christs Church The Minor of this argument which only is doubtful I confirme thus That which was spoken given to Peter that was spoken given to al the Disciples of Christ Mat. 16.13.14.19 Christs ministerial powre was vttered delivered to Peter who spake for in the name of the rest Mat. 16.13.15.16.18.19 Ergo Christs ministerial powre was by speech indeed committed to all Christs Disciples The Major of this argument only is controversal which I manifest thus Vnto them did Christ speake commit his ministerial powre that made the confession viz that Christ was that Christ the Sonne of the living God But Peter al the Disciples by Peters mouth made that confession viz that Christ was that Christ the Sonne of the living God Ergo Vnto all the Disciples did Christ speake give that his Ministeriall powre The Minor being cleered the whole Argumēnt is evident VVherfor consider 1. That Christ in the vs. 13. asketh his Disciples a question 2. In the vs 15. he saith whome do ye say that I am by which it appeareth that Christ asketh this question of all his Disciples generally and so it followeth by proportion necessarily that seing all were demaunded that question therfor all made that answer confession the argument is framed after this manner They answered made the confession vnto whome Christ propounded the question or made the demaund But Christ propounded the question or demaund to all his Disciples and not only to peter or only to the twelve Apostles as may be proved in the course of the text vs. 13-24 Ergo All the Disciples answered made the confession ther mentioned by the Evangelist The Second Argument from Mat. 18 15-20 16.19 From these places I reason after this manner That which is given to two or thre of Christs Disciples is given to the body of the Church if they be many in nomber Christs Ministeriall powre is given to two or three Disciples of Christ Ergo Christs ministerial powre much more is givē to the body of the church being many in nomber The Major is without controversie for iff Christs powre be given to two or three then much more to twenty thirtie an hundreth they being al of them Christs Disciples The minor is proved after this manner The keies of the Kingdom of heaven or the powre of binding losing is given to two or three Disciples of Christ Christs ministerial powre is the keies of the Kingdom of heaven or the powre of binding losing Ergo Christs ministeriall powre is given to two or three Disciples off Christ The minor being evident the major may thus be confirmed Vnto them doth Christ give the keies of the kingdom of heaven or powre of binding losing to whome of whome he speaketh But Christ speaketh to Diseiples of brethren Ergo the keies of the Kingdom of heaven or powre of binding losing is givē by Christ to the Disciples or brethren The minor viz that Christ speaketh to Disciples of brethren is manifest by divers particular vs. 1.15.21 The Disciples move a question vnto Christ concerning the Kingdom of heaven Christ teacheth vnto them vs. 15. that the litle ones that is the brethrē the Disciples must not be offēded or if they go astray be lost they should be sought againe vs. 15-17 teacheth the dutyes of admonition in the degrees therof for the winning of our brethren perserving of them from going astray therfor vs. 18. he speaketh of brethren Disciples attributing to them the powre of binding losing vs. 19. promising the hearing of their prayers vs. 20. promising to them his presence if they be but three or two vs. 21.22 teaching them remission of offences private vnto seaventy tyme seaven tymes VVherevppon I ground this infallible argument Iff the whole scope intent of this place Mat. 18 15-20 compared with Mat. 16 13-20 doth ayme at the Disciples of Christ or the brethren Mat. 23.8 teaching that binding and losing the keies of the Kingdom of heaven Christs presence acceptance of their prayers c. aperteyneth to them then Christs ministerial powre is given to the Disciples or brethren if but three or two so much more if they be a multitude But the whole scope of these places is directed to the Disciples or brethren Teaching that offences must be
themselves from brethren walking inordinately from persons excommunicate from converteous persons al other that either teach false doctrine or deny the powre of Godlines indeed though inword they professe the same 2. Tim. 3.5 Tit. 1.16 2. Thes 3.6 1. Cor. 5.11 The third Argument from Mat. 28.19.20 Act. 19.4.5 10.48 Mat. 18.20 The true Churches of the Apostolique institution were by baptisme gathered into the covenant or new Testament of Christ The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not by their baptisme conunited into the New Testament of Christ but only into the constitution ministery worship government into that faith doctrine which is by law established in the Land Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the Apostolique institution The ground of this argument is this that the Apostles baprized men in definitely into the whole new Testament of Christ al the ordinances thereof which was not stinted or limited at the pleasure of men vnder certaine canons injunctions articles or Ecclesiastical constitutions but was large even as large as the whole word of truth then inspired or written by the Apostles Prophets whereas the assemblies of England do neither them selves professe the true saith of Christ conteyned in the new Testament their faith being stinted limited vnder certaine devised articles convocatiō howse Synodical decrees or constitutions wherevnto al the ministers of the lād are bound to Subscribe which is the faith of the whole nation neither therfor do they baptise into the new Testament of Christ indefinitely simply but respectively definitely into that faith doctrine which is taught in their stinted book of articles wherto they subscribe which they beleeve teach wherof the body of that Church is wherin wherto they are by baptisme admitted receaved their faith therfor being devised stinted or false therfore their baptisme false therfor their covenant false therfor the forme of their Church false therfor the Church it self a false Church For how can that be a true Church which hath a false faith covenant forme The fourth argument from Mat. 18 18-20 Marc. 13.34 Ioh. 20.23 Mat. 16.19 These places other like Scriptures afoard an argument which may be framed after this manner The true Churches of the Apostolique institution had Christs powre ministerial in the body of the Church The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England have not Christs ministerial powre residing in the body of the Church Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the primitive Apostolique institution The Major or first part of this Argument hath been largely proved in the seaventh Section and in the Paralleles Censures Observations therto aperteyning whither the Reader is to be referred where this particular is handled affirmatively and negatively The Minor or second part of the argument is evident in it self For the powre Ecclesiastical of the assemblies is resident in the hands of certaine Archb. Lordb. Archdeacons Chancellors Commissaries Officials and other Ecclesiastical Superintendents which have powre over thousands or hundreths of Parish Ecclesiastical assemblies and the Ministers in them which have powre Ecclesiastical one over another to suspend excommunicate and absolve them according to their canons decrees and decretals the Prelate in his diocese or jurisdiction having absolute powre to interdict one or more Parish Churches from having any prayers or Service they have no powre to come into the Parish Church or Temple to worship whiles the interdiction with the Bbs. seale cleaveth vppon the Church dore c. divers particulars of like nature which doe evidently declare that the parish assemblies have no powre at all of themselves but are meerly and wholly subject and in bondage to the Ecclesiasticall Hierarchy and subordination of Clergie-men having Superintendency Superiority jurisdiction over them as their proper Spirituall LL. to Whome they dayly yeeld Spirituall homage and Subjection in their oaths off Canonicall obedience and actions of like Servitude The fifth Argument from 1. Timoth. 2.5 Heb. 9.15 Gal. 3.15.16 Iohn 17.9 These places of holy Scripture other of like nature may asoard an argument which may thus be framed The true Church of the primitive institution Apostolical had Christ Iesus for their mediator that is for their King Preist Prophet The assemblies Ecclesiastical of Englād have not Iesus Christ for their Mediator that is their King Preist Prophet Ergo the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the primitive institution Apostolical The Minor or second part of the Argument may be confirmed by divers particulars as 1. Christ is not their King seing he onely ruleth by his owne Lawes and Officers and not by Antichristian Lords and Lawes such as are their Prelates and the Officers Courts and Canons 2. Christ is not their preist to ratifie vnto them by his blood that ordinance of Church Ministery VVorship and Government which they retaine among them which is not Christs Testament but the Testament of Antichrist the vtter enemy of Christ neither doth he prostitute the blood of his Testament to establish such a worship as their service book affoardeth or such a Ministery as their Clergie is from the ArchP to the ParishP or such a Government as their Ecclesiasticall Hircarchy or such a people for his body as are compounded of the Serpents seed a viperous brood of wicked men of all sorts 3. Christ is not their Prophett to teach them by the false Prophetts the instruments of Antichrist which dayly by their doctrine set vp Antichrists Officers Lawes oppugne the true New Testament of Christ in the true constitution Ministerie VVorship Government taught in his word Seing therfor Christ is not their King Preist Prophet how is he their Mediator Seing his mediation consisteth not in the execution dispensation of these their offices of King Preist Prophet The sixth Argument from Eph. 1.22.23 1. Cor. 12.27.12 Gal. 3.16 Eph. 5.23 From these places of Scripture compared together truly expounded may an argument be drawne framed thus The true Church of the Apostolique primitive institution hath Christ for the head and is a true body vnto the true head Christ truly vnited by the Spiritt of Christ The ecclesiastical assemblies of Englād are not a true body vnto Christ the true head truly vnited by the Spirit of Christ Ergo the ecclesiastical assemblies of England are not the true Churches of the primitive Apostolique institution The Minor or second part of the Argument may thus be confirmed in the three parts therof 1. Christ is not their true head seing they deny all his offices though they hold the doctryne of his nature and persons soundly as is plainly proved before in the fifth Argument 2. the assemblies as they stand in confusion with all the vngodly and vitious persons of the Land vnder the Antichristian Lords and Lawes Ecclesiasticall can not be a true body vnto Christ but
is a monstrous body like vnto the body of Nebuchadnetzars image Daniel 2.32 3. this monstrous body cannot be vnited to the true head Christ by his Spirit but the people of the assemblies being for the most part the seed of the Serpent must needes be knit together and vnto their head Antichrist by the Spirit of Antichrist the Spirit of Sathan All this I speak of their visible communion and of that politique body Ecclesiasticall which is called their Church For otherwise I doe acknowledg vnfeynedly and doe vndoubtedly beleeve that the Lord hath his thousands among them even a remnant according to the Election of grace Thus have I proved vnto you Mr. Bernard positively that the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England in their present constitution and walking are not the true churches of the primitive Apostolique institutioÌ„ but are in their outward visible politique subsistence the churches of Antichrist framed after the shape of the popish asseÌ„blies though much refined from the venemous drosse of popery now in the second place it remayneth that I deale anaskeuasticos with you answering those things which you alledg for your Churches to prove them true The great maine pillar of your building is this that seing your Church hath not a false head false matter false forme false properties therefore it is not a false but a true Church To these 4. particulars I answer distinctly First you have a false head in that you worship God in a fantastical Christ of your owne devising in that you shape him a Kingdom Preisthood Prophesy of your owne invention making him a mediator intercestor to al the profane people of the Land causing him to offer vp other worship worshippers to his Father then he hath taught in his new Testament purchased by his blood by this meanes dealing with Christ as somtyme the Iewes did putting a reed in his hand a crowne of thornes vppon his head kneeling downe vnto him as to a King bidding him prophecy yet smite him vppon the face spit at him presently crucify him For whereas you frame him a Kingdom Subjects Officers Lawes a government after your owne invention or rather out of the Propes decretals decrees hereby you seem to make him a King but indeed you Crucifye him againe and tread vnder foote the blood of the Testament which he hath purchased established at so high a rate Secondly your church hath a false matter For seing you do al this indignity to Christ the head of his true Church do you think that he wil entertaine you for the true matter of his Church the true subjects of his Kingdom the true members of his body the faithful Servants of his howse his chast true welbeloved Spowse wife either you must repent reforme your selves of al that vild indignity which you offer vnto Christ or els he wil never receave you for the matter of his Church the Subjects of his Kingdom the members of his body the Servants of his howse his espowsed wife For Christ wil not take a wife of fornication children of fornication Hos 1. he wil not have the Servants of Antichrist to be his howsehold Servants Mat. 6.24 nor wil he take the members of an harlot make them the members of Christ 1. Cor. 6.15 the Subjects of his vtter enemy Antichrist cannot possibly be the true faithful Subjects of Christs Kingdom Luk. 19.27 But in the pa. 111-116 of your book you make a distinction of matter as No matter True matter False matter they are no matter of a church say you which do not professe Christ as Iewes Turks Pagans They are true matter that professe Christ to be the Sonne of God the Sonne of Mary the only Saviour of man False matter say you is contrary to the true Further this true matter of the Church you say is good bad good matter you say as it seemeth to me is men walking vprightly in this profession of Christ bad matter are men walking wickedly this you illustrate by the matter of mariage for she may be a true wife though a bad one also by the similitude of subjects to a King who may be true though bad ones breaking his lawes a true tradesman though vnskilful in his professioÌ„ for your selves you say you are true matter of Christs church though not good matter bicause you professe Christ truly as is said before wel Mr. Ber. I yeeld the general distinction of matter but I deny the particular application of it to your selves I say you are false mater how therfor do you prove vnto vs that you are â—â—ue matter by 4. reasons wherof the first is for that you beleving this forsaid truth you beleeve the summe of the gospel I deny it vtterly the summe of the gospel is this that Iesus Christ the Sonne of God the Sonne of Mary is the only King Preist Prophet of his Church governing Sacrificing making intercession prophecying after that holy manner according to those rules which he hath prescribed in his Testament Now to beleeve truly concerning the person of Christ to beleeve falsely concerning his office as you doe is not to beleeve the whole gospel but only a peece of it So that this is the doctrine alone by which the Apostles did gather a people to make them a Church disciples of Christ the profession herof admitted men as true matter of a Church this only differenceth the true Church from Iewes Turkes Pagans Papists al other Antichristians Heretiques viz Iesus Christ God and man King Preist Prophet mediator of his owne Testament Therfor your second third fourth reasons fal flat to the ground the first being vnderminded as you see but ther is one thing that I wonder at that you should hold the Papists to be false matter of a Church for holding justification by workes therby denying Christs Preisthood hold your selves to be true matter of the Church denying Christs Kingdom in the true frame ministery worship government of his Church what is not Christs Kingdom as pretious as his Preisthood is it not as horrible impiety to deny Christs Kingdom the ordinances therof as to deny his Preisthood the vertue therof or is Christs Preisthood more fundamental then his Kingdom or justification by workes more pernitious then to deny Christ to raigne as King to refuse his regiment wel if the papists be false matter by your owne confession for the one you must needes also be false matter for the other For I am confident that Christs Kingdom is as pretious an office as his Preisthood even as the Kingdom in the old Testament was as excellent as the Preisthood now Mr. Bern. what is become of the Church seing your matter is false as you may perceave by this description what shall your similies of a bad wife a bad subject of a bad artificer help you
drincking of wine performed by any persons after any manner or washing with water likewise true Sacraments I think you will not say it it is therefore necessary that there bee a concurrence of other matters viz That seing Sacraments are in relation and reference those references or relations must needes be annexed els they are not true Sacraments as a baptized person must baptize into the true Faith of Christ a person capable of baptisme A communion of men having title to the Lords Supper must break bread and drinck wine to remember Christ and shew forth his death till he come Therefore whereas you hold and teach that the whole bundel of the Antichristian constitution ministerie worship and Government of the assemblies are the Lords ordinances you teach a false word and whereas you being a false Church and Ministery doe baptize with water and break bread wine to remember a false Christ and a false Testament and a false Faith therein you declare plainly that you have not the true Sacraments and whereas in your Observe well you say Truly and Rightly respect grace in administring the VVord and Sacraments and therefore to preach the word Truly and Rightly to administer the Sacraments are no convertible signes of a true Church I answer That Truly and Rightly to administer doe also respect the outward manner of doing in the Essentiall relations spoken of before and not onely grace And so your Observe well is not worthy observation In your third essential propertie you wil needes have discipline no true convertible signe of a true Church Sir I confesse vnto you that the vse of the Censures of admonition excommunication which I suppose you cal discipline is not a convertible signe of a true Church but only powre title interest to vse them this title I deny you to have For how can you being in your constitution mighled with the world vnseperated poluted with so many Antichristian fornications as yet are extant in your assemblies have title to any of the Lords ordinances doth the Lord think you give his covenant new Testament purchased by the blood of Christ vnto such persons as trample vnder foot the whole Testament of Christ the ordinances therof hath the theef title to the true mans purse though he have the possession of it no more have you title to Chr. visibly though you vsurp him challendg him never so peremptorily wherefor to end this point of the properties of the true Church I say til you have Seperated your selves from al the wicked people Antichristian ordinances in your assemblies til you have vowed covenanted to embrace practise al the ordinances of Christs new Testament you can have no title or interest to the holy things of God vse them as long as you lift you abuse them Lastly to conclude this first part of the Section viz that your Churches are false churches I say to that which you object pag. 110. that many corruptions may be in a church yet it a true Church the constitution being true viz So long as they are not impenitent after conviction therfor Israel the Lords people so long as they retained their true cōstitution Ezech. 16.21.22 the men of Ephesus beleevers ignorant of the visible gifts of the Holy Ghost Act. 14.2 The Corinthians Saints though incest dronkennes fornication false doctryne contention much evil among them bicause they were not impenitent after twise admonition or conviction so forth of the rest but you wil confesse that the Prelates their faction are obstinate after conviction we avouch that the Puritanes are obstinate after conviction for they neither have answered nor can answer that we object against them therfor although you constitutiō had been true which was never yet your Church is become false being obstinate in sinne persecuting to death imprissonment losse of goods c. al that testify against her abhomin tions that this is a signe of a false Church read 2. King 17. Ierem. 3.8 Math. 23.37.38 Math. 21 33-43 Act. 19.9 The second point to be handled in this Section is that al your ministers are false ministers in handling whereof I wil proceed as in the former point of this Section viz First confirme the truth by arguments drawne from the Scriptures Secondly refute your fancyes wherby you would prove your ministery true Therefore in the first place to prove your ministers false Ministers I vse these Arguments The first Argument The true ministerie cannot be raised out of a false Church The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are false Churches Therfor the ministers of those assemblies Ecclesiastical are false ministers The ground of this argument is propounded confirmed in the 7. Section where it hath been proved by divers vndeniable reasons that Christs ministerial powre whereof one part is the calling of Ministers is not given by succession to the Pope Bbs. or presbytery but to the body of the congregation if they be but two or three So that seing the true Church is in nature being before the ministery the ministerie is but one of the holy things given to the Church one part of Christs powre delegated to the Church one branch of that true title interest which the L. Iesus the Bridegrome husband of the Church giveth to the Bride the Spowse of Christ the true Church The Ministerie therfor must needes follow the Church be after the Church be raised out of the church therefore the true Ministery of Christ is only where the true Church of Christ is so it cannot be in the astemblies Ecclesiastical of England being not the true Churches of Christ The second Argument The true ministerie hath a true office in execution wherof it is exercised Rom. 12.7 1. Cor. 12.5.28 Fph 4.11 The ministerie of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England have not a true office in execution wherof it is exercised Ergo The ministerie of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is not the true ministerie The foundacion of this argument is this viz that seing the ministerie of the Church of England ariseth out of the ministerie of the Church of Rome as a branch out of the root of the tree therfor it must needes be of the same nature kind with the ministerie of the Church of Rome For as a man begetteth a man one light commeth of another one Preist begetteth another in the old Testament so in ordination by succession one Minister maketh another therfor as the branch is of the same nature with the root the Sonne with the Father one candle light with another one Aaronical Preist with another So must the minister ordeyned be of the same nature office with him that ordeyneth him Seing therfor the ministerie of the Church of Rome is a popish Sacrificing Preisthood that is a false ministerie having a false office it must needes follow that the ministerie of the Church of England proceeding from the ministerie
of the Church of Rome as one light is inflamed of another is of the same nature office therfor a false ministerie neither can it suffice to say that as it is most true I do willingly confesse the ministerie of England is much Refined Reformed from the drosse of popery For Refine Sugar as long as you wil it is Sugar stil in nature Refine light as oft as you please from brimstone light to a tallow light from tallow to Rosen from Rosen to wax from wax to Venice Turpentine from that to the most pretious subject that can be devised yet the light is of the same nature with the brimstone light So Refine the ministery by Succession of ordination as long as oft as you wil yet it is stil of the first nature til it be Refined to nothing that is til it be abolished extinguished a true ministerie can never be raised vp againe For who can bring a cleane thing out of that which is vncleane The third Argument The true ministerie hath a true vocation calling by election approbation ordination of that faithful people wher he is to administer The ministery of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England hath not the true vocatioÌ„ calling by election approbation ordination of a faithful people where thy doe administer Ergo the ministery of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is not the true ministery which Christ hath placed in his Church The Major or first part of this argument is evident by these Scriptures compared together Act. 6 2-6 and 14.23 1. Timoth. 3.10 and 4.14 also it is evident by that which was observed proved and answered concerning the seaventh Section of this Lettre The Minor or second part of the argument is evident in it self For it is apparant that the ministery of England is called by Successive ordination made by a Prelate his chaplin in his owne chappel with Subscription to the abhominations of Antichrist conteyned in the 3. articles with the oath of Canonical obedience to the Antichristian prelacy their Spiritual LL. jurisdiction courts canons by giving the holy Ghost apishly blasphemously abusing the words of Christ Ioh. 20.22.23 giving therby to the Preist ordeyned powre to remit retayne sinnes which Christ hath given only to the body of the Church not to the ministers by Successive ordination as Sacrificing powre was propagated by Genealogie in the old TestameÌ„t from Preist to Preist then the preist thus ordeyned is inforced vppon a parish with the Patrons presentation the Lord B. his institution the Archdeacons induction his owne tolling of a bell taking hold of the Ring of the Church doâ—e contrary to the liking of al the bad men in the parish if he be a reformist contrary to al the Puritanes in the parish if he be a Formalist with the liking of al the goodfellowes in the parish if he be a dumbdrincking-swagge ring Preist if this be the true vocation of Christs true Ministers taught in his Testament then are the ministers of England true if not then is their Ministery false for this point I appeale to every good conscience vpright hart in England if any man be made minister any other way he is not made according to law his ministery is voyd by law a mullity in England I dispute only against the ministery established by law if ther be any other ministery besides or contrary to law which you Mr. Bern. will plead for let it be discribed confirmed by the rules of Christs Testament when we know it we wil then acknowledg it if the Lord Iesus in his new Testament wil give approbation vnto it otherwise this we hold for the present coÌ„cerning the ministery of the assemblies Ecclesiastical of the land The next point to be handled is the answering of your objections reasons cavils which you bring against this doctryne which we teach for the ratefying of your ministery to be true I tel you Mr. Bern. you had need bring good ground or els you your Fellow ministers wil be found False Prophets Theeves and Robbers Math. 7.15 Iohn 10.1 That which you alledg for your selves is conteyned from the pag. 128-146 of your book the first point wherof is this that you say your ministery is true bicause you convert Soules I answer two things 1. that you convert no man to that true visible faith taught in the new Testament of Christ wherby mans conversion must be judged but you do pervert men from it dayly as evident experieÌ„ce teacheth For your books against the Seperation your preaching Sermons against the way of the Lord your conferences disputations perswasions for men to forsake the truth to continue stil with you in the communion of your Antichristian abhominations or having forsaken you to returne back againe into Egipt these the like courses of yours most frequent to the best Reformists of the land plainly manifest that you convert none at all to the faith of Christs new Testament but you pervert al that you possibly can from the same Now what you do in secreat betwixt the L. the soules of them that heare you he only that seeth in secreat knoweth in particular particularly certainly we know not nor enquire not See more of this point in that which is written before in the lettre to Mr. S. at the end of this book 2. let it be granted that you do convert meÌ„ even to the true visible faith of the new Testament I say this is no proor sufficient of the truth of your ministery that is to say that you are those true Pastors mentioned Eph. 4.11 Act. 20.28 1. Pet. 5 1-3.1 Tim. 3.2 Tit. 1 6-9 For these officers were giveÌ„ to the true church which Church was established befor these officers were these officers were occupied about the feding that is teaching guiding of those particular Churches wherto they attended the Churches therfor consisting of Saints already converted to the faith of the new Testament how doth conversion argue a true ministerie of Pastor or Elder or Bb. which converteth not as his proper work but only feedeth that is edifieth buildeth vp men converted by teaching guiding them in the wayes of the Lord See more of this point also in the letter to Mr. S. at the latter end of this book in that which is written before which I desire may be considered but heer you object that the Apostle that is one sent proveth his calling by the seale of his ministerie viz. conversion see Rom. 4.14.15 1. Cor. 9.2 2. Cor. 3 1-3 13.3.5 that it cannot be proved that Iesus Chr. doth worke by false meanes it is our owne grant I answer that if your argument be framed into forme it is this He that converteth Souâ—es is an Apostle as Paul 2. Cor. 3 1-2 The Ministers of England convert Soules
Ergo the ministers of England are Apostles as Paul or thus He that converteth Soules is sent of God Rom. 10.14.15 The Ministers of England convert Soules Ergo the ministers of England are sent of God If I should yeeld your first argument theÌ„ it would follow that you al the ministers that convert soules in England are Ap. but you intend not to prove your selves Apst but ordinary Pastors of visible churches therfore your argument if it were yeelded proveth not your purpose I know you do not challendg to be an Apostle as Paul was Againe to answer to your second argumeÌ„t we yeeld you that no maÌ„ caÌ„ coÌ„vert to the true saith of Chr. new TestameÌ„t which is visible except he be sent of God but seing you pervert men froÌ„ the new testament of Chr. as I have proved how can you herby prove your selves to be sent of God nay I say you are the instruments of Sathan sent by the L. in his wrath to keep the people in bondage froÌ„ the obedience of the faith taught in the new testament I do not determine what you are invisibly secreatly known to the L. neither doth the Scripture teach vs so to judg of faith For how can the Scripture teach vs visiblie to judg an invisible thing which is not appearing in visible Fruites Further wher as you say that the 1. Cor. 9.1 2. Cor. 3 1-3 doth not intend the constitution of the Church of the Corinths other Churches but their conversion from idolatry to embrace the doctryne of the gospel by faith I answer that these two things which you distinguish are al one they are no other in distinction then Arons beard the beard of Aaron as you speake for to convert men to the Faith of the gospel is to convert men to the true constituted Church of Christ For they are not converted to the true faith til they be converted established into the true Church if it may be sound So that this objection of yours is very insufficient if not altogether ridiculous for the force of the Apostles argument in these two places of the Corinths I say it is mistaken by you vtterly so wrested from the Holy Ghosts purpose misapplyed by you to prove your intention For the seale of Pauls Apostles hip was the Church of the Corinths converted to the saith established into the true constitution of the new Testament 1. Cor. 9.2 so Paul expoundeth himself in the other place 2. Cor. 3.10 saying that he was made an able Minister of the new Testament even as Moses was of the old For the vnderstanding of which place the whole matter you must remember what Moses did to the Church of the Iewes what Paul did to the Church of the Corinths Moses did constitute the Church of the Iewes according to the paterne shewed him in the mount that most faithfully Heb. 8.5 Paul being the Apostle of the Gentils sent by Chr. Iesus for that purpose hath established the Church of the Corinths according to that paterne which Christ the Mediator revealed vnto him which none could doe but an Apostle sent by Christ So that the force of Pauls Argument to prove himself an Apostle must thus be propounded conceaved He that hath the seale of an Apostelship is an Apostle Paul hath the seale of an Apostelship viz an infallible direction from Christ Iesus by the Spirit to convert establish the Church of the Corinths into the true constitution of the new Testament Ergo Paul is an Apostle of Iesus Christ Now Mr. Bern. I would require you to answer directly plainly whither this be not the true Scope intent of these two places of Scripture if yea then are you a most ignorant shameles perverter false interpreter of the Scriptures wherof I require your repentance before the Lord the world for your sinne is publique if nay then discover the contrary if you can justifie your self or els I doe professe vnto you to all the ministers of England that you doe abuse the honest harted people of the Land misleading them meerly by the pretence of this argument of converting soules For they feeling in their consciences secreatly the Lords work of inward conversion by the ministery of the Land especially the sincerest most forward puritans thereby are brought to reverence their ministery vnder the vizaâ—d of this inward work in their consciences pretending conversion to the visible faith of Christs new Testament doe hereby resolutely persist vnder that ministery whereby say they they were converted assuring themselves that it cannot be a false ministery that converteth men to the Lord inwardly and secreatly then you the ministers of the Land deceaving others being deceaved your selves by the misconstruction of these the like places of Scripture stand vp stoutly to defend your ministery after this manner are wee not true ministers of Iesus Christ have wee not converted Soules are not you the Seale of our ministerie the forward professors of the Land wee appeale vnto your consciences if you in our ministery have not felt the powre of the word to your inward conversion If this be so how can you forsake your Fathers that begat you how can you go to the Seperation that never coÌ„verted you c. I answer what you doe inwardly in conversion I dispute not the Scripture regardeth not what you doe outwardly that I plead the Scripture discovereth you convert not a man to the true faith of Christ which is visible in the visible communion of the true Church of the Apostle Pauls constitution such as was the Church of the Corinths and therfor you cannot by your inward invisible conversion which you plead for prove your ministery For except you can produce such an effect as Paul did in the Corinths you cannot prove your selves to be the true ministers that are sent of God For Paul saith yee Corinths are our Epistle vnderstood read of al men So that Pauls Seale of his ministery was an outward visible legible faith viz The faith of the true Church of the new Testament whereinto the Apostle had established them which al men did see behold read manifestly wherefore if you the Ministers of England wil prove your selves to be the true ministers of the new Tesament then shew mee such a seale of your ministery as the Apostle heere speaketh of convert men establish them in the true Apostolical Church of the primitive institution I for my part wil yeeld vnto you that as paul was sent extraordinarily so are you ordinarily by the Lord you are the true ministers of Iesus Christ truly sent Rom. 10. but seing you doe what you can to hinder al your disciples from the true Corinthian Church established by paull according to the paterne of Christs new Testament not bringing the people that depend vppon you so far as you know acknowledg but stil counsel them
to stay wayt for a better tyme til the civil Magistrate wil give his allowance vnder these pretences stil keeping them in Spiritual boundage to the abhominations of Antichrist retayned in the Land I say herby you manifestly discover vnto al the world that seing you know the wil of your Lord Mr. Christ doe it not you are worthy to be beaten with many stripes that seing you break the commaundements of Christ teach men so you are the least that is none in the Kingdome of Heaven practising flat contrary to the Apostles who thought it better to obey God then man yet the Magistrates that forbad them were the Magistrates of the true Church of the Iewes wherefore breefly to answer both Ministers professors To the professors I say Shew mee your faith by embracing the whole new Testament of Christ To the ministers I say Shew mee the Seale of your ministery by converting establishing a Church after the Apostolique Corinthian frame constitution I wil grant that then you are true ministers your disciples truly converted in the meane tyme I wil judg your visible standing in Christianity as it is visible your invisible being in Christianity I wil leave to the Lord who seeth in secreat who knoweth who are his not doubting but the Lord hath his thousands even in the depth of popery much more among you this is that Mr. Bern. which wee hold grant concerning this point Now for your objection which you for vs make answer pag. 129. 130. That private persons may convert I say you herein also are deceaved deale deceiptfully For you are to distingnish of conversion according to the circumstance of tyme wherein meÌ„ were converted to Christ Iohn converted baptized many into Christ Iesus before the visible Church of the new Testament was revealed which came vppon the day of Penâ—ecost Act. 2. Eph. 4.11 Thus were al the Disciples of Iohn of Christ converted of this conversion Faith must the places of the Evangelists be vnderstood as namely that Ioh. 4.39 others so were the Iewes Proselites some of Samaria converted for as yet Chr. was not preached to the Gentils which he himself for bad to be done Mat. 10. thus were meÌ„ converted to beleve that the Messias which they knew should come was come that Iesus the Sonne of God the Sonne of Mary was hee who vppon their conversion baptisme became Christs Disciples to learne practise whatsoever he should afterward teach them That this is so read Act. 18 23. 19.2.3 Now after the day of Pentecost conversion was larger as I may so speake in respect of the visible manifestatioÌ„ therâ—f other like considerations For then men were converted to the matter of the day of Pentecost to al that frame constitution of the church of the new Testament which was purchased by Christs death exhibited vnto the Apostles by the promise of the Spirit given vnto them Thus were men converted after the death resurrection ascension of Christ after the comming of the Holy Ghost as may be seen Act. 2 38-42 8.16.17 10 44-48 So that Iohn converted men to the Faith of Christ to be manifested after the day of Pentecost the Apostles converted men to the Faith of Christ already given exhibited Seing therfor that the new Testament of Christ is now confirmed established revealed manifestly in the Scriptures of the Apostles of our Lord al that are converted now are converted to the new Testament the ordinances there of or els they are not converted to vs visiblie This being thus premised as necessarily to be vnderstood for the true knowledg of true conversion in the next place we must take notice for the answering of the objection of private mens converting that Antichrist hath defaced the Faith of Christ in the whole new Testament so the true ministery therfor it must needes be that whosoever doth convert from Antichristianisme establisheth a people into the true Faith new TestameÌ„t of Christ performeth that work either as a minister of Antichrist or as an Apostle Prophet Evangelist of Christ or as a Private person For this is a sufficient enumeration of parts ther being no other sort off persons to convert men from Antichrist to Christ but one of these For you have heard that Pastors do not convert but feed the flock I suppose you dare not a vouch that the Ministers off Antichrist do convert to the true Faith new Testament off Christ Iesus neither dare you say that ther are now in the world the offices of Apostles Prophets Evangelists wherfor when men convert they do it as private persons Therfore choose Mr. Bern. which of these three you wil affirme then tel mee whither private persons doe not convert as Act. 11 19-21 this shal suffice for this point of converting performed by private persons in the rising vp from the Apostacy of Antichrist for the discovering of your objection answer Now from the pa. 130-141 you teach vs the doctryne of the vocation of ministers which I wil not altogether disalow nor approve wholly seing it aperteyneth not to our question I leave it wholy vntoucht come to that which is pa. 141-146 wher you endevour againe to prove your ministery true that after this manner They that are called of Christ having both gifts graces they that are also outwardly caled of the church being examined aproved elected ordeyned they that preach true doctrine administer the true Sacraments peâ—forme their office faithfully live conscionably are assisted by Chr. to convert soules are approved by the people are the true ministers of Christ The ministers of the Church of England have al these particulars Ergo the ministers of the Church of England are the true ministers of Christ I answer you Mr. Ber. that the Popish ministers have al these forsaid qualifications in common with the ministers of England I plead not of the degree or measure of these things for I confesse some of them to be much more in the English ministers but I speake of the kind or nature of the qualifications which I prove by induction thus 1. The Popish ministers many of them have excellent outward gifts graces asmuch learning vtterance zeale gravity as any ministers of England though al of them have not so as al the ministers of England have not so 2. The Popish ministers are called examined aproved elected ordeyned of the Church that is as you expound the cheef governors who are as true ministers as you are seing your ministery is a branch of the roote So are you 3. The Popish ministers preach the true doctryne of Christ administer his true Sacraments for you retaine the baptisme that men have in popery as true and they breake and eate bread and wine in remembrance of Christs death although you preach more truth
vs exclude your dumb Preists idle bellyes and al the rable of the conformists if you wil which are 9. parts of 10. and then I think you are excluded your self among them I wil plead only against the best minister that standeth by Law in your assemblies 1. he entereth not in by the dore seing the dore is only in the Sheepsold that is in the true Church seing you are a False Church as is proved your dore cannot be true 2. The porter that is as you say Gods Spirit but I think rather the porter to be the watchman that is the whole Church Mat. 13 33-37 he openeth not to you for you convert none to the true visible Faith of the new Testament or if you did it doth not prove your true Pastorship seing Shepheards do not make sheep but feed them it should only prove that you are Spiritual Fathers that convert men which private persons doe as you have heard 3. he doth not know them nor is knowne of his Sheep For of 300 perhaps he wil not acknowledg above 30. to be sheep the rest he thinketh goates the goates wil not acknowledg him as Shepheard but hate fly from him 4. he doth not lead them by sound doctryne to perfection◠but by False doctryne perverteth them from the truth which blasphemously he proclaymeth dayly in his pulpit to be Brownisme Schisme Heresy c. 5. he doth not lead them by Godly life for if the cheef part of Godlines be the true worship of God how doth he lead them in Godlines that leadeth them vp downe in your False Church Ministery VVorship Government blind fold like the men of Sodom that sought Lots dore Therefore I dare in the true feare of the Lord cal the best of you al a Spiritual theef a robber yea a VVolf that cometh to kil rob and destroy not that you so entend to doe or that you do so wilfully yet I would have you Mr. Bern. Look wel to your self for I dare not cleare you from sinninge against your conscience who have acknowledged the truth but for that you do so indeed by necessary consequent For seing you are in a False Church Ministery and vse a False worship submit to a False Government you must needes by defending al this Falsehood teaching it to others perswading them to the obedience therof perswade them to al these abhominations of Antichrist so do rob them kil them raven them like wolves theeves robbers For men may rob kil destroy ignorantly as Paul did when he was a Pharisee as I my self did when I was one of your Preists as many do in popery except you wil say that they al do sinne against their conscience Act. 3.17 1. Tim. 1.13 And heer you have a fling at our ministers wil needes have them no Lawful ministers you dare not say false this you endevour to prove bicause that we are not made Ministers by Successive ordination First Mr. Be. I tel you bicause of your importunity in this particular of ordination by Succession that if it must needes be which we deny vtterly that we have it if you have it for we were made Preists by your prelates why then do you condemne our ministery say you why do you condemne the ministery of the Church of Rome say I For if you may have a true ministery yet condemne the ministers of the Church of Rome from whence yours came then may we have a true ministery yet condemne your ministery whence ours cometh this I speake not for that I plead it but to stop your mouth For I vtterly renounce your orders which I had from Wickā prelate of Lincolne when I was chosen Fellow of Christs College in Cambridg I receaved doe retayne my ministery from that particular Church wherof I am Pastor which hath the whole powre of Christ ministeriall delegated to her from Christ her Husband when he contracted with her Secondly you neieher can nor do prove Succession in the new Testament For that which you alledg for the Succession of the old Testament I say it was typical is abolished by Christ For do you think this is a good argument one Preist begat another in the old Testament therfor one minister must ordeine another in the new Testament why may you not plead after this manner Therfor one Preist may beget another Preist in the new Testament wheras you say that Preists did consecrate preists which consecration was ther ordination I deny it vtterly I prove the contrary that during the captivity of Babilon ther were many priests borne none consecrated only for their admission in to the preists office it was requisite that they should shew their Genealogie Nehe. 7.64 65. but their ordination was their generation or byrth though I deny not but when they entered into the performance of their office ther were some rites performed which was no part of their ordination but I would know of you what is ordination is it any thing but the declaring of the partie elected approved to be in office by prayer for him a chardg given vnto him can none do this but a precedent officer Againe for the old Testament I say God created the first Preist viz Adam then til Aaron men begat Preists for the eldest in the Family were the Preists Moses who was the yonger brother no preist ordeined Aaron his Sonnes after that Preists begat preists til Christs tyme then Christ appointed officers in the Church Apostles made Evangelists Evangelists Apostles ordeyned Bbs. Deacons al this I confesse Mr. Ber. what is this to Succession in the new Testament I shew you plainly that the Church Elected Mathias ther being yet no Apostles Act. 1. ther being Apostles the Church elected Deacons Act. 6. Elders Act. 14. seing they performed election which is the contract why may they not performe all For ordination is nothing in respect of Election as you may see in al Societyes corporations whatsoever The contract which is the mutual consent of a man woman for mariage maketh man and wife before God Election which is the mutual consent of the pastor his Flock maketh a man pastor of his Flock So that in this particular Mr. Bern. you show your willfullnes and blindnes asmuch as in any thing in your book although I doubt not but it is the best that can be pleaded for Antichrist thus much for the second part of this Section The third part of this Section is that your worship is a false worship wherin as I have dealt in the two former points so wil I deale in this viz first prove the position Secondly answer your cavils To prove your worship a false worship I vse these Arguments following First Argument The true worship of the L. cannot possiblie be offered vp in a false Church The Ecclesiastical assemblies of England are
false Churches Ergo. The worship offered vnto the L. in those Ecclesiasticall assemblies is a false worship The ground of this argument is this that al the Ecclesiastical actions performed by a false Church are stayned with the false constitution of the church For God wil not have every communion of men worship him but he wil be worshipped by such a company of people as he hath described in his new Testament as in the old Testament no man or company of men might worship or be accepted visibly but such as were circumcized Gen. 17.14 Exod. 12.48 Deut. 23 1-4 Act. 21.28 2. King 17 25-28 Ioh. 4.22 So in the new Testament no man or communion of men visiblie can be accepted of the L. but such as are described in the new Testament viz. men Seperated from al the abhominations of Antichrist 2. Cor. 6.17 gathered into the name of Christ Iesus Mat. 18.20 being made Disciples have receaved baptisme whereby they are counited into Christ Mat. 28.19 If any communion of men otherwise constituted viz men not Seperated not gathered together not gathered into Christs name not made Disciples not baptized truely with the baptisme of the new Testament if any such company of men do worship God ther worship is not accepted of God but as the L. sent Lyons among the Samaritanes for persuming to worship him in the land of Israel they being an vncircumcized coÌ„pany 2. King 17.24.25 as the L. punished the vagabond Iewes exorcists by the violence of an evil Spirit for naming the L. Iesus being an vnbeleeving vnbaptized company Act. 19 13-17 even so wil the L. be avenged on al them that joyning together to worship God have not Seperated themselves or calling vppon the name of the Lord do not depart froÌ„ iniquity 2. Cor. 6.17 2. Tim. 2.19 neither wil it serve to say that the worship is true bicause it is true conceaved prayer or true preaching or thanksgiving For true worship must be defined not only in the matter but cheefly in the forme For otherwise among the Antichristian papists Heretiques ther is true conceaved prayer preaching thaÌ„ks giving els in the old Testament ther was true Sacrificing among the Babylonians wheÌ„ they Sacrificed an oxe to the God of Israel Dan. 6.25.26 whereas it was manifested that no Sacrifice could be accepted that was offered with straunge fire Levit. 10.1.2 there for the Sacrifices of the Babylonians must needes be abhominable though the matter was true bicause the forme which cheefly consisted in the fire was false So though the matter of the worship of the new Testament be true viz conceaved prayer preaching praising God yet bicause it proceedeth not from the true fire which is alwayes living vppon the Altar Levit. 6 9-13 at Ierusalem that is in the true Church and Temâ—â—e of God bicause it is not inflamed by the true Spirit of Christ the true visible annoynting which is only in the true body the true Church Ephes 4.4 For there is one body and one Spirit Therefore the worship is not true worship visibly what it may be inuisibly I dispute not nor doe not censure at all but leave to the Lord and to every conscience The Second Argument The worship that is offered vp vnto the L. by a false Ministerie is a false worship ceÌ„ not visibly be judged true or accepted The worship of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is offered vp by a false ministery as hath been proved already Ergo the worship of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is a false worship cannot visibly be judged true or accepted The ground of this Argument is the same with the former wherefore as in the old Testament the worship that was performed in Israel by the Preists of Ieroboams devising which were not of the Linage genealogie of Aaron was a false worship could not be accepted visibly or be judged as accepted judging by the rules of the word 1. King 12 31-33 and as the inceÌ„se which Azariah the King of Iudah would have offered could not be accepted or so judged bicause it was not offered by the true Preists the Sonnes of Aaron 2. Chron. 26 16-22 and the King was punished with Leprosy for his presumption So al the worship which is offered vp vnto the Lord by a false ministery is visibly to be judged abhominable bicause Christ only offered vp to his Father the worship of the worshippers which his new Testament hath described no other Rev. 8.3.4 coÌ„pared with Revel 5 8-10 11.1 stil let it be remembred that I dispute not nor censure not the invisible things of the Lord. The third Argument Iewish that is literal stinted imposed book-worship is false worship The worship of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is Iewish that is literal stinted imposed boom-worship Ergo the worship of the Ecclesiastical assemblies of England is a false worship The ground of this argument is the Analogie and proportion which ther is betwixt the type and the truth the shadow and the substance the lettre and the Spirit the Old Testament with the ordinances therof the new Testament with the ordinances there of For seing the old Testament was a type of the new therfor the Church ministery worship government of the old Testament were types of the Church ministery worship government of the new Testament therfor the worship of the old testameÌ„t being lyteral beginning in the lettre as was carnal circumcision Rom. 2.29 did type forth the worship of the new Testament to beginne in the Spirit Ioh. 4.23.24 For the Lettre was a type of the Spirit Col. 2.17 Seing therfor that Reading the Law was a typical ordinance of the old Testament therfor literal stinted manifesting the letter book-worship it followeth that it is now abolished by Christ the thing signified by the literal Reading is now to be retayned in the new testament which is vttering matter out of the hart called the manifestation of the Spirit the demonstration of the Spirit the ministring of the Spirit the like by which phrases of Speech the Holy Ghost would teach vs that seing we are fet at liberty from the bondage of the law which was a Schoolmr to leade to Christ we are not therfor againe to be intangled with the yoke of bondage in any thing no not in this matter of stinted literal book worship which is flat ludaismâ— but we being placed in the liberty of the Spirit are to vse our gifts in Gods worship as the spirit giveth vtterance as we see the Apostles practised vppon the day of Pentecost when the promise of the Spirit was fulfilled vppon them as we see the Church of Counth practised 1. Cor. 14.15.16.26 12 7-â—1 He that desireth to know further of this particular of book-worship let him read the book lately published intituled The differences of the Churches of the Seperation wher this point is largely discussed which if it be the truth
hold retayne that Antichristian constitution ministery worship government placed over them wholy to reject any reformation offered in this your disgression you â—unne out into another calumny viz that some of vs are so in dislike with your Church as that wee would rather intertayne popery then returne to you againe For my self I confesse my thoughts speeches have been are to this purpose that whensoever I returne to keep communion with the English asseÌ„blies acknowledging them true Churches their Ministery true then must I also of necessity acknowledg Rome to be a true constituted Church their ministery true For your Church ministery are of the same nature kind though of divers degrees of corruption yours being much refined from infinite drosse which is stil remayning with them Now if I should returne to succession so acknowledg the East churches of the Grecians and the VVest Churches of Rome her Daughters wherof England is one for Rome is the mother-Mother-Church to be true Churches yet I would make my choise ther to joyne wher are fewest corruptions so rather returne to you then to Rome therefore herein I suppose also you are but a slaunderer in advancing a false report Psalm 15.3 wherefore brefly I say to desire your reformation the truth to be practised among you is neither hatred of you as you strongly plead nor any vncharitable desire to have the truth extinguished and popery intertayned as you most vncharitably suggest vnto your Reader Thirdly our vncharitablenes appeareth you say in this that we envy that good things prosper with you wretched man that you are thus to slaunder calumniate vs falsely I professe that I wish from my Soule that every Formalist in the Land were a Reformist that every Reformist were of the Seperation this is al the hurt that wee wish vnto you whereas you object that the Seperation this is al the hurt that wee wish vnto you whereas you object that the Seperation scoffe at your Religious exercises and your conversion I doe detest scoffing if I my self have at any tyme scoffed I doe proclayme my repentance for it vnto you the whole Land yet know that scoffing at Baals preists was lawfull in Elias if you cal scoffing an Eironie neither doe we scoffe at any thing that is good but at your irrecoverable stifnes in your corrupted courses neither is this eiâ—onie used as a mock to disgrace you but as a meanes to reforme you as Elias his eironie was againe you say wee pray not for your Ministers but wish discontentment that men may thereby come to the Seperation I answer wee pray for the Ministers and people that they may repent and yeeld to the truth and wee wish that men may bee discontented with their corrupt and evil wayes which is the high way to repentance but wee wish no man through discontentment of poverty or reproach or disgrace to fall from any truth as it seemeth you have done from Puritanisme to the Prelates faction conformity Further you vrge vncharitablenes in hasty excommunications for smal matters I answer not for others but for our particular Church of the Seperation that wee doe not vse excommunication as a matter of hatred but of love neyther doe wee excommunicate any man but for finne convinced and that after once and twise admonition and that is not hastily and whereas you teach vs not to excommunicate for every sinne wee doe practise your advertisement but if you wil have vs retaine in our communion any sinner willfully impenitent and peevishly obstinate sinne wee answer that wee abhorre your counsel and wee think such persons fitter for your Antichristian Synagogues then for the true Church of Christ which is a communion of Saints only Againe you censure the Seperation of vncharitablenes for excommunicating them that heer the word of your Ministers I deny it except they continue impenitent in that sinne and then indeed wee doe and the reason is bicause wee hold according to the truth that you are false Churches and false Ministers and that wee ought not to have any Spirituall communion with Idols and doe you think that impenitency in Idolatry is not worthy excommunication and doe you think that impenitency in Idolatry is not worthy excommunication and for that you say it is no sinne to heare the true word of any man I ask whither you think it lawfull to heare the Popish preists preach to pray with them if it bee vnlawful then you are answered and the Lord forbiddeth to heare false Prophets Deut. 13.3 the Apostle willeth to Seperate from such as teach false Doctryne 1. Timoth. 6 3-5 to reject an Heretique after once and twise admonition Tit. 3.10 and not to give entertayment to the false teachers 2. Iohn 10. Heer I omit your gibe of the annoyning which is the Holy Ghost that the Apostle saith the Faithful have to teach them all truth whereby the brethren of the Seperation presume as you say to teach wanting gifts referre you to the Apostles speech 1. Cor. 14. wher he willeth al the brethren to endevor to prophecy teacheth them that they may prophecy one by one wil you to remember that this gibe of yours falleth vppon Paul the Holy Scriptures the Spirit of God Christ Iesus the mediator or of the new Testament which hath established the exercise of Prophecy in the Church for all the brethren that have gifts ther is no man that doth beleeve but he can speak Finally this want of love which you impute to vs I wonder how it is bettered amoÌ„g you who persecute one another so hatefully as you do as the Prelates their factioÌ„ do devoure the reformists ther faction So as it seemeth you are blind at home though you can see so dragon-like abroad 3. Synne you impute to vs is misaledging wresting the Scriptures instances you give none onely you say that some have accused some of the principals of vs but doth it follow therefore that the accusation is true Christ was accused for blasphemy was hee therefore a blasphemer But if you meane that the Ministers in the conference the conference of Coventre with my self have accused mee thereof I answer it was before I knew the Seperation as you they can tel what is this to the Seperation but for their chardging me with wresting the Scriptures I answer that wherein I have wrested the Scripture it is of ignorance I doe not presently remember the particulars Let them bee produced to the world I desire no savor if it bee my sinne I will confesse it but neither doe I know it neither do you prove it only you say it whither you must be beleeved on your bare word that are so common a slaunderer in this your book I referre mee to the Censure of every man that is not partiall and doteth not vppon you 4. Synne you chardg vs with is
seales of the covenant 9. If the faithfull either doe not Seperate themselves from the wicked or not Seperate the vnbeleevers from them if they still mingle with them they forfeite the covenant they consent to all the sinne of the vnbeleevers to all their prophanation of the Holy things seing God hath given them power to reforme themselves and to keepe all wicked persons from among their communion by the censures of admonition and excommunication Apoc. 18. 4 Eph. 5.7.11 1. Cor. 5.6 Mat. 13.33 1. Cor. 12.17.22 Levit. 17.19 Mat. 22.39 Mat. 18.15.17 10. If Kings and States forbid the faithfull to vse any of these helps and meanes which God hath given and commaunded them to vse they are to lose their lives rather then to forbeare bicause they are bound to obey God rather then men Act. 4.19 Deut. 12.32 11. If Princes and States commaund the Church and faithfull to entertaine any other ordinances then these before rehearsed they are not to obey but rather to leese their lives 1. Tim. 6.13.14 Mat. 16.24.25 Apoc. 22.18.19 Mr. S. these are the very grounds and principles of our cause which is the Lords truth there are divers other particulars which I thincke not fitt to relate vnto you They may be after discovered vnto you vppon occasion Now I come to answere your reasons for your Church and ministerie First you say you have a true church your reason is for that you have the word truly preached and the Sacraments duely administred I confesse that wheresoever these thinges are found there is a true Church but I denie the word to bee truly Preached and the Sacraments duely administred in any parish Church of England which I manitest vnto you after this manner 1. First the people pertakinge in the seales of the covenante in prayer and in the communion of Holy thinges are not a people Seperated from all the vnbeleevers open sinners of the Land but stand still in conlusion with them submittinge to all the false Government of the Prelates c. Such a people so standinge have no title to the covenant to Christ to the promises see the first ground supra 2. Secondly this people so mingled with the wicked of the Land cannot be a true Church seinge it is impossible for them to be conjoyned combyned together into one bodie as the true Church is For as two disparate seeds viz of an horse and an asse doe not produce either an Horse or an Asse but a mule Genes 36.24 So of the two contrarie seeds of the VVoman and of the Serpent Genes 3.15 can not proceede a true Church but some thing of another nature viz a false Church VVherefore in the false Church cannot the word be truly preached the Sacraments duely administred 3. Thirdly there is one only true forme of a visible Church Ephes 4.4 One bodie which bodie is called Christ 1. Corinth 12.12 Galat. 3.16 This one body hath one Spirit Ephes 4.4 This one body guided by this one Spirit hath one Lord. Ephes 4.5 VVhich Lord is Christ the onely Lawgiver It hath also one faith which is the faith expressed in the writings of the Apostles it hath also one Baptisme whereby men are admitted into this faith submitted vnto this Lord baptized into this Spirit incorporated into this bodie and so have one God and Father one hope of life everlastinge to whome the promises and covenant is given Now in the assemblies of England there are divers Faythes one off the Puritanes so miscalled another of the Prelates a third of the Papistes that come to Churche a fourth of the ignorant persons go they cannot be one they denye themselves to be of the same body with Papists Atheists Prelates witches conjurers theves murtherers blasphemers drunckerds vsurers c. Therfor they are not the true body of Christ the true Church of God therfore all the holy things are profaned when they are ther administred how then can they be said as you plead to be truly administred in the assemblies of England 4. Add herevnto that the most forward Preachers Professors of the Land do not practize according to that which they know the Lord requireth to be practised viz in admitting of al to the Holy things good bad in neglecting the censures vtterly in setching the Ministers calling from the prelates whome they hold Antichristiā in submitting to their Ecclesiastical jurisdiction which is vnlawful therby yealding their consciences to other Lawgivers then Christ For their cannōs Christs lawes are contrary how can we say that they that thus doe sinning against their consciences in this manner are Seperated from al sinne touch no vncleane thing so how can they be said in that constitution the true Church so how can the word be said truly preached the Sacraments duely administred in that estate Thus Mr. S. you see your Church is proved not to be true your signes of a true church therfore not to be found in your assemblies Your second point foloweth viz that your ministerie is a true ministerie I pray you how can ther be a true miuisterie where is a false Church doth not the true ministerie arise out of the true Church can there be a true ministerie a false Church I know not how these things can stand together But let vs heare your arguments to prove your true ministerie First you say ther is a true ministerie bicause men are converted thereby I answere conversion is no signe of a true ministerie For Prophets Preists Apostles Evangelists ordinary Prophets Pastors private men private women have converted Iohn 4.39 Phillip 1.14.15 1. Cor. 14.24.31 Act. 9.1 11.19.21 Ergo conversion apertaineth not only to ministers nither is it a proper effect or adjunct of a true ministerie Secondly let your argument be framed after a true forme it wil be this whosoever converteth soules is a true Pastor The ministers of the church of England convert soules go they are true Pastors I make another argument whosoever converteth soules is an Apostle 1. Cor. 9.2 The ministers of England convert soules go they are Apostles The like arguments may be made to prove the ministers of England Priests extraordinary Prophets evangelistes yea Christ himselfe Mat. 11.5 Ierm 23.22 Malach. 4.6 Act. 8.12 Now Mr. S. judge whither your Argument be good to prove a true ministerie yea or nay Thirdly I would know whither you thinke that the Ministers of the Romish Church are true Ministers yea or nay but it is manifest Apoc. 18 4. that Gods people are in Rome how came they thyther ther they are converted how was Luther Husse Ierom of Prage the waldenses converted how were they converted in King Henrie the 8. tyme answere this if you can I pray you Fourthly it is not the worke of the Officers of the Church to convert soules but to sede edifie them being convertedia Pastor doth not make shepe but fedeth guideth tendeth his shepe the members of the true Church are al
Saints now Saints are converted already and the Officers of the Church are conversant about the Saints converted not about the profane vnconverted you know a shepherd a flock are convertible therfore the place Ephe. 4.12 doth not signifie as it is transtated gathering or converting the Saints But it signifieth the joyning of them as you may see Gal. 6.1 the mending of any thinge Mat. 4.21 Lastly how can you or any man prove to me out of the word that you convert soules by your ministerie men that are converted are converted to the true faith which is one which true faith is only in the true Church which is the body Christ which is but one Eph. 4.4.5.6 But your Church is not true therfor your faith is not true therfor you convert none to the true faith which Gods word doth declare vnto vs I confesse that ther are thousands which I am perswaded aperteyne to the Lords election but which they be in particular I certainly know not I hope wel of you manie more that I know Now that your faith is not true I prove thus They which beleve not Christ to be their King or if they know him to be ther King do not submit to his Kingdom have not the true saith Luk. 19.27 But none of you in your assemblies beleeve Christ to be your King or if ye do yeeld not to his Kingdome which is his visible Church the ordinances therof seing you mingle with al the profane in the Land reject his Officers submit to the Prelates vnlawful authoritie Ecclesiastical neglect his lawes statutes Iudgements viz the censures of admonition excommunication Secondly you say you have a true ministeri 1. bicause God hath sent you bicause he hath given you giftes 2. you are allowed to exercise your gifts by some approved there vnto 3. your gifts are approved by your people among whom you administer this is the some of your reason where vnto I answere many thinges first to your first point 1. That God sendeth none ordinarily but those whome the true Church sendeth but your is not the true Church as is proved therfor God sendeth you not seing you are not sent by the true Church which you have not againe it doth not follow that bicause you have giftes that therfor you are sent for ther be among the Popish Preists men that have excellent gifts yet you wil not say they are sent so among the common civill lawyers ther are men that have giftes yet you cannot say they are sent Lastly if you be sent of God how is it that contrarie to the L. commaundement you keepe silence when the Prelates silence you For if God hath sent you who can forbid you 2. To your second point I answere thus viz 1. that the allowance you have is not sufficient for the true Church must doth can only give sufficient allowance or powre to her Officers which you have not 2. The Prelates which are in vnlawful Ecclesiastical authoritie can give no sufficient authoritie or allowance to true Ministers for can good come from evill 3. if you say you have your authoritie from the civil State I answere the civil State can not give Ecclesiastical authoritie 4. if you chalenge your powre from some Presbyterie of Ministers I answer they must shew that they have powre to give you authoritie 3. I say as before that every particular visible Church which is a communion of Saints and faithful people hath al powre Ecclesiastical with in it selfe which your parishes can not have bicause they are confused rowtes mingle mangles of al sortes cages to hold every vncleane and hateful bird Apoc. 18.2 contrarie to Deut. 14.2.3.11.12 vnequally equally yoaked contrarie to the Type Deuter. 22. to And contrarie to the truth 2. Corinth 6.14 and therefore it is impossible that you should have a true callinge from them who have no powre of Christ given them to enjoy the covenant promises Christ or any meanes to partake Christ as is already proved vnto you so your third point all so falleth to the ground Breefly therefore to discover vnto you the true callinge which is onely one for there is onely one true way for Officers to enter into Office viz that way which is taught by Christ for he is the dore into the Shepefold and whosoever climeth vp any other way Christ saith is a these and a robber Iohn 10.1.7.9 the true calling is this 1. A company of faithful people 2. must be Seperate from all wicked men 3. joyned together into covenant to enjoy all Gods ordinances 4. assembled with fasting and prayer 5. must chose out from among themselves one or more able persons 6. must be approved according to the rules mentioned by the Apostle 1. Timoth. 3. and afterward 7. charged commaunded to administer faith fully that this is so these places witnes Roman 1.7 1 Corinth 1.2 Ephes 1.4 Apocal. 17.14 and 15.3 Apocal. 18.4 2. Corinth 6.17 Ephes 5.7 Deuter 29.9.13 Iosua 24.25 Act. 3.25 Heb. 8.10 Act. 13.2.3 and 14.23 6.5.1 Tim. 3.10 Tit. 1.6.9.1 Tim. 6.3.14 Act. 20.28 1. Pet 5.1.3.4 Now Mr. S. shew mee such a Church and such a Ministerie in any parish Church in England and I will acknowledg it a true Church and that ministerie a true ministerie but if you cannot shew it give vs leave to doe as wee â—oe accordinge to that which wee have shewed you warrant for our of the word And now I pray you examine these things carefully and thinke it not labour lost to search and weigh seriously the Scriptures by mee quoted in every point Know that the Lord will not be served with halves he will have all or none I confesse you have much good doctrine among you yea you have the doctrine of Christs Preisthood pure in his Sacrifice and intercession but you have vtterly cast of his Kingdome which as the true constitution of the visible Church in the true causes essentiall thereof viz 1. the true matter which are only Saints 2. the true forme which is the covenant to walke in al Gods wayes 3. The true essential properties which is the powre of our Lord Iesus Christ especially in binding and losing without which it is impossible for the Church to continue a Holy communion among themselves al this you want and therefore you in the assemblies deny Christ the King to reigne over you you have rejected Christs Testament for his Testament is that which he hath purchased with his blood as you may see 1. Corinth 14.25 Heb. 10.29 For the Old Testament was abolished by the blood of his crosse and the new Testament succeded in established in stead thereof by his blood for Christ by his Preisthood obteyned his Kingdome now in his Kingdom dispenceth the vertue of his Preishood to his subjects Mr. S. I pray you consider carefully these things I know they are the vndoubted most cleare evident truth of Gods word that
wil I adventure further to prove before any witnesses vppon the hazard of my life if I may have audience do not you now as you have once done in your Letter to Mr. H. take it granted that nether he nor his leaders as you speak can answere your arguments you see it is otherwise I pray you doe not oppose against this truth in your pulpits till you have throughly scanned all thinges til you have had further passages with mee about it I did thinke that I ought to doe many things against this way but it pleased the Lord at the length to reveale his truth vnto me for the which I blesse my God for ever I know if you once interest your selfe in opposition against the cause publiquely it will be very hard for you afterwards to deny your doinges to pul downe that which you have built Therefore be advised raise vp your hart to enter into the cause be not afrayd of it deny al even wife children life also els you are not capable of this truth I pray you commend mee to Mr. B. and to your selfe most kindly The Lord of his mercy vouchsafe to enlighten you with the evident brightnes of his truth and the Lord open your hart to entertayne it in love and the Lord guide your feete into the way of peace so in all kindnes I take leave of you bidding you most hartely farewell FINIS A Lettre written to certaine brethren in S. By Iohn Smyth Mercie and peace be multiplied vnto you RethteÌ„ I am excedingly rejoyced in my soule hearing of the grace of God bestowed B vppon you althongh you are but few in nomber yet considering that the Kingdome of heaven is as a graine of mustard seed smal in the beginning I do not doubt but you may in tyme grow vp to a muâ—titude and be as it weere a great tâ—ee full of Fruitful branches which I vnfeignedlie desire brethren in your behalf at the Lords handes I have receaved your lettre long since I had seÌ„t you answer ere this if I had had a coÌ„venient messenger but now having fit opportunity offered I doe willingly of duty to you my brethren to the L. Iesus his truth make answer to your motion whereas Mr. K. is a man famous in the Churches of England for learning sincerity being now growen aged in them both it might therfor be thought boldnes in mee to deale with him yet being provoked therevnto by you by himself by my place which I susteyne in the Church of Christ I durst not refuse but choose rather to incure the vndeserved suspitioÌ„ of arrogaÌ„cie if any man dare so deem it by manifesting the truth then the deserved reproach of the denyal of the truth which is committed when the tâ—uth is not defended vppon due calling thervnto First therfor I doe professe before al men that the truth wee professe is maniâ—ested already sufficiently to all that wil but open there eyes in the writings of those worthy witnesses of Iesus Christ who have gone before vs in the Testimonie of this truth wee hold out to the world therfor I shal by this my writing only doe that which is already done therfor this my labor might wâ—l have been spared Secondly neverthelesse bicause things may be further explaned manifested by several gifts I thought it not amisse to shew myne opinion also The rather being called thervnto by your selves as also by Mr. K. breefly therefore to come to the matter the two points to be proved are these First that such matters as aâ—e excepted against in the Church of England are contrary to the word of God Seâ—ondly That they are in such sort opposite therevnto as thereby it is become no Church meet for any good Christian to Remaine in and to communicate with These two points shal be manifestly proved by these Scriptures following 1. First your Church is not of the Apostolique constitution but framed according to the invention of man which is proved thus Deut. 14.2 compared with 1. Pet. 2.9 Roman 1.7 1. The Churches of the Apostolique constitution consisted of Saints only The Churches of England consist not of Saints only Therfor the Churches of England are not of the Apostolique constitution therfor are framed according to the invention of man The major is proved by the former Scriptures for Moses calleth the Iewes an Holy people ceremonially typing that the people of the new Testament should be truely holy as Peter doth expound it and Paull exemplifie it to the Romanes and in all his Epistles The minor is manifest for all sorts of persons Atheists Papists adulterers theeves c. who not are compelled to be are members of the English Churches Ergo. 2. Againe from that Church which is not of the Apostolique constitution but of mans invention al the faithful must make Seperation 2 Chron. 13 5.-13 30 5-12 compared with Revel 14.9.10 18.4.5 The Churches of England are not of the Apostolique constitution but of mans invention Therfor the faithful must make Seperation from the Churches of England The major is proved thus as Ezechiah perswadeth the Israelites to Seperate from the Church of Ieroboams invention to joyne to the true Church of Iudah which was of Moses constitution so Iohn by vision is commaunded to pronounce a woe to them that give homage to Antichrists ordinances and to perswade all the faithfull to Seperate from Babylon which is by interpretation a confusion Now all mens inventions are Antichristian seing that as Christ Antichrist are opposite so are Christian Antichristians if ther for the constitution of the Churches of England be not of Christs that is of the Apostolique primitive frame it is of man of Antichrist so woe be to them that doe not Seperate from it 2. Secondly your ministerie is not of the Apostolique primitive institution but framed according to mans invention which is proved thus Heb. 5.4.5 Levit. 8. compared with Esay 66.20.21 Act. â— 3 -6. Act. 14.23 1. The true ministerie of the Apostolique institution was by election approbation ordination of that particular holy people wherto they did administer The ministery of the assemblies of England is not so but after the invention of man Therfor the ministerie of the assemblies is not the true ministere of the Apostolique institution but devised by man The major is proved by the former scriptures for as that only was the true preisthood which Moses by the coÌ„maundemeÌ„t of the L. apointed in the old testameÌ„t therfor that of Ieroboams was false 1. King 12.31 2. Chron. 13.9 So it the new Testament that is only the true ministerie which is of the Apostolique institution viz by election ordination approbation of that faithful holy people wherto they administer The minor is evident For the ministerie of England viz the Prelacie Preisthood Deaconry like thre vncleane Spirits proceed out of the month of the
ber pag. 81. First he saith the Scripture never setteth forth any of Gods people by this marke say you so Mr. Bern is not the Scripture plentiful in declaring vnto vs that the L. addeth dayly to the Church such as should be saved Act. 2.47 that they that gladly receaved the word were baptized added to the Church continued therin Act. 2.14.42 doth not the Apostle teach that ther is one faith one body one baptisme one Lord but one Eph. 4. And that they that are not of this faith body baptisme Lord are without the faith without the body that is the Church without the true baptisme without this true Lord King Iesus Christ so are none of Gods people visible none of Christs Kingdome none of Christs body none of his faith baptisme Are not true faith prayer baptisme the Lords Supper the true church plaine pregnant do monstrative proper adjuncts of Gods visible people how can you with any face of truth or a good conscieÌ„ce of your judgment knowledg say that to be of a true visible church is no note of Gods visible people out you say further that he synneth which doth not live in a true coÌ„stituted Church ordinarily when he can hath meanes offered nay we say further then so that he synneth that doth not seek meanes to live in a true constituted Church not only he that vseth not meanes offered so to doe wherfor we say that which you say more also but I pray you what meaneth your ordinarily living in a true constituted church doe you hold that ther are two sorts of meÌ„bers conversers in the true church some ordinary some occasional or extraordinary do you think that to be of a true chuch to live in a true church are one thing we say that members of true churches are al ordinary of one kind consideration further we say that it is one thing to be of a true church or a member of a true church another thing to live in the true church a man may be a member of a true church potentialy actualy as I have already declared in the 4. former particulars but al this is nothing to that which I affirme for I say thus that he which is not of a true visible Church is no subject of Chr. Kingdom that is he is not vnder the visible dominion Lordship of Chr. in his church which is his Kingdom I do not say that he is invisiblie none of the L. people for a man may be one of the L. people in election grace invisiblie yet not in the true visible church which is Chr. visible Kingdom againe take an instance to exemplifie the mater al we that are of the seperated churches in these contryes are of the common wealth of England therfor subiects of the King of England our Soveraigne Lord on earth though we are not actually vnder the execution of his lawes courts officers by reason of banishment that we may submit to Chr. ordinance c. So a true seperated Christian is a subject of Chr. visible politie Kingdom which is his church eyther actually or potentially although by banishment that is by vndeserved communication by imprissonmeÌ„t by other occasions he be actualy absented seperated from the presence therof wherfor Mr. Bern. I doe in this section indite you before the L. the world as one that of purpose so maliciousty perverteth my meaning slaundereth this excellent truth of God doth not your conscieÌ„ce tel you may you not read it in the copy of my lettre that I distingnish betwixt Gods people which are of two sortes visible subjects of Ch. visible church which is his Kingd invisible ones known only to the L. certaynly particularly further this doctryn of myne you say is contrary to 4 places of Scripture pa. 81. the first place is Gal. 3.7.9 the Apostles wordes are these They which are of saith are the children of AbrahaÌ„ vs 7. they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham which scripture proveth my doctryne or rather the L. truth I say that faith heer is oposed to the works of the law that faith signifieth a visible faith For the Apostle Iames saith Iam. 3 21-24 Speaking of the same matter viz of Abrahams faith that it was made perfect by works for if Abrahams faith had not been manifested by his workes it had been invisible it would not have been discerned by maÌ„ therfor in the same place vs 14. the Ap. speaketh directly of a visible faith this place of the Ap. therfor confirmeth my assertioÌ„ plainly that they that are not of a true constituted Church are no subjects of Chr. Kingd bicause they do not by their workes shew their faith _____ but if they have faith they have it with God not with man who can judg only by the fruites The second place is 1. Ioh. 3.14 where the Apostle speaketh thus VVee know we are traÌ„slated from death to life bicause we love the brethren VVho are the brethren are not they that cal God Father who can cal God Father but they that have Christ for their Lord Mr. for their Elder brother To whome is Christ Lord Mr. but to them that are subjects of his Kingdome So that this place also maketh most evidently for the confirmation of this truth of God which I defend But you Mr. Bern. dreame of am visible faith of an invisible Kingdome of an invisible brotherhood or consanguinity whereas Christ saith directely that they which doe the wil of God are his brethren of his Fraternity Marc. 3.35 what have we to do with things invisible hidden secreat Deut. 29.29 I avouch that you cannot prove to me by any rule of Gods word certaynly that those that are not members of a true constituted Church are subjects of Christs Kingdome invisible as you I am sure intend it Further what is the love of the brethren wherof the Apostle speaketh is it not a visible love testified in the performance of the visible â—utyes of love Christ faith Ioh. 14.25 if ye love me keep my commaundements obedience is the true touchstone of the love of God 1. Ioh. 3.17 whosoever hath this worlds good seeth his brother need chutteth vp his compassion from him how dwelleth the love of God in him So the visible dutyes of brotherly love are the true touchstone of brotherly love but the principal visible dutyes of brotherly love are the dutyes of admonition consolation supportation patience 1. Thes 5.14 Exhortation edification vs. 11. among theÌ„ admonition is most excellent Mat. 18 15-17 compared with Levit. 19.17 they therfor that altogether omit these visible dutyes of admonition in the degrees thereof injoyned by Christ the Apostles how can they be said to love the brethren but al they that live out of a true constituted Church wholy omit the visible dutyes
then they do administer baptisme the L. Supper more purely or rather lesse corruptly yet they have the same truths Sacraments that you have even the Scriptures baptizme the L. Supper 4. The Popish ministers many of them performe their office Faithfully in many things as Faithfully as you do the best you do not performe al the parts of the true ministery the worst of you are as bad as â—he worst popish preist 5. The popish ministers some of them live conscionably according to their rule the best of you do no more the worst of you are as vild beasts as the grossest shavelings in Rome 6. As the Popish ministers convert none visibly to the true Faith and new Testament of Christ vet I doubt not but that thousands are by them converted saved what Mr. Be. wil you condemne al the men that have lived from Gregory the great til the councel of Constance to this day vnder the dominions of the pope For shame do not so So though the forwardest ministers of England convert many invisibly to life Salvation by Christ yet you ordinarily say that the Formalists convert none the dumb ministers cannot convert bicause they cannot preach none of you al convert a man visibly to the true Faith taught in the new Testament of Christ but with al your might pervert men from it 7. Finally the popish ministers are approved by their people aswel as the best or worst of you are according to the dispositions of the people Seing therfor that al these things are as evident pregnant for the popish ministers as for you therfor either they are true ministers if you be true or els bicause they are fals as you say yet have al these forsaid qualifications therfor these qualifications make not a true ministery So that you see Mr. Ber. that you argument is weak to prove your ministery true you must seek out a better definition of a true ministery according therto shape your ministery if you wil have it true In the next place you with an objection answer would prove that although your ministers have a false entrance viz ordination of the Bb. yet may be true ministers namely by two reasons 1. For that none were ever ordeyned but by ecclesiastical persons as Apostles Evangelists Bbs. 2. a false entrance cannot make a false ministery as in mariage I answer First if it were yeelded you that ther could be no true ministers made without ordination of Apostles Evangelists Bbs. yet bicause your L. Bbs. are not those true Apostles Evangelists Bbs. of the primitive institution but rather the Servants of Antichrist as your forwardest professors preachers instantly affirme therefore ther ordination is Antichristian and so your ministery is false in the entrance but Secondly I deny it to be true which you affirme for ordination by procedent Elders For I have proved vnto you by many vndeniable reasons that the whole ministeriall powre of Christ is given to the body of the Church whereby as in the first constituting of Churches so in the rising of Churches from Antichristianisme the body hath powre to al the Holy ordinances of Christ for ther mutual edification to life Salvation whereof the true ministery is a principal therefore the Church hath powre to enjoy the true ministery you confesse the Church wanting officers hath powre to elect her officers which is the principal Act. 6. 14. why not to approve ordeyne which are but the inferior lesse principal Further you may read Act. 1. that before ther were any Apostles actually in office the Church did chose Mathias into the rome of Iudas that by a commoÌ„ consent wherfor this first exception of yours is nothing Your Second exception is as weake that seing a faulty entrance into mariage which is one ordinance of God doth not disanul it why should a faulty entrance into the ministery disanul it I say the violating of accidental circumstances through ignorance shall not disanul any of Gods ordinances For then their should be no true having of any ornance of God whatsoever Seing it is impossible wee should perfectly strictly keep all every circumstance therto aperteyning but the wilful breach of essential parts of the ordinance doth corrupt the ordinance make it false as for example The matter or forme being false the ordinance cannot possible be true A man marieth a mayde that is 6. yeer old or a woman marieth an Evnuch the mariage is false for the matter is false A man taketh a woman not as his wife but as a concubine as the yonger brethren the geÌ„tlemen of Venice doe this is no true mariage bicause it wanteth the true forme of mariage so your Churches assume them ministers suppose they be the true pastors described in the word as I am perswaded your Puritanes so endevour I say bicause your churches or Ecclesiastical assemblies are false your ministery is not true For a true Minister a false Church cannot mary together Further if your Church ministery were true yet if you should be presented by a Patron ordeyned by a Prelate inducted by an Archdeacon contrary to the wil of the Church the mariage is false bicause the calling is false So then you see Mr. Ber. how litle your similies help you wherein notwithstanding you by your disciples are thought Specialy to excel and to have the prehemenence over your fellow Preists And heer you bring a flourish out of the 10. of Iohn to prove your ministers true ministers what Mr. Bern. in good sooth doe you plead this for all your Ministers of England Speak plainly double not with God man doe you in your conscience think that al the ministers of England eveÌ„ your dumb Preists whome you have excluded by your covenant your grosse nonresidents idle bellyes the Cathedral or Collegiate Preists your double benificed men that al these every one of them doe enter in by the dore have entrance by the porters opening know their sheep by name lead theÌ„ by sound doctrine holy life save many destroy none Speak plainly Mr. Ber. to this point seek no shifts yet these are the only men alowed by Law in your ministery For be he never so dumb idle non resident wicked yet if he subscribe weare the geere do read the Service book wil do homage to his Spiritual Lords their Courts if he be amicus curiae if he be conformable obedient al is wel is not this even so this you know in your conscience Mr. Bern. therfor pag. 143. Lin. 7.8 you speake warily you say The propertyes of a true Shepheard agree wel with Ministers in England you dare not say with al the Ministers of England Therefore by your owne conscience al the Ministers of England are not true Shepheards your Lords the Prelates wil con you litle thank for this but let
the reader to take notice of that the alledging of them by Mr. Ber. argueth an ill mynd seing he confesseth them to be of smal force against our cause The first reason against sep may be framed thus That way is not the truth which teacheth to renounce the constitution ministery worship Government of the English assemblies Ecclesiasticall as false so in respect thereof to seperate from them al spiritual communion with them to entertayne the true constitution ministery worship and Government of the Apostolique institution The way of the seperation teacheth thus much Ergo the way of the seperation is not the truth I answer if the scriptures approve this which we teach of you of our selves then is your arg worth nothing now whither the seperation be the truth or not I refer me to the scriptures wherby I desire that which I have written may be examined if it bee sound sound let it be intertayned if not follow the truth whatsoever it be whereas you say heer that men in seperating from you must cast of the word which begat them I deny it you are a slaundeter herin For we retaine al truth that you have we reject only your Antichristianisme for acknowledging your Faith repentance baptisme false I say it is necessary but vnderstand that we speak of your things that are visible leave things invisible to the Lord for that objection you make from our owne confession that we say our Seperation is only for corruptions I say it is truth but yet know that your corruptions are essential and effential corruptions corrupt the essence of things make them false viz. when the matter is essentially corrupted or the forme c. as a mule procreated of an horse an asse Now such is your Church Ministery worship Government as is already proved sufficiently The 2. reason against Sep is framed thus That way is not the truth which teacheth the professors thereof to entertayne and joyne with open wicked obstinate sinnes sinners The Seperation Teacheth men so to doe Ergo The Seperation is not the truth I answer That the truth may be the truth though men that professe it walk never so wickedly in it neither doth it follow bicause the Churches of the Seperation walk corruptly therfor the Seperation is not the truth you know Mr. Bern. that this is but sophistry hereby you might prove the Doctryne of Christ not to be the truth bicause the Corinths had contentions incest fornication dronkennes heresy among them what say you to your selves who have as many thousand obstinate sinnes sinners in the land as ther be men of the Seperation among vs is your way therfor error For the force of this argument therfor I referre mee to your owne conscience to every indifferent mans censure VVel Let vs see what obstinate sinnes sinners are in the Separation the sinnes are these as you recken them vp 1. vnthankfulnes 2. spiritual vncharitablenes 3. abusing the Scriptures 4. Obstinacy in schisme 5. Rayling scoffing 6. false opinions or Brownisme the persons persisting in these sinnes are you say obstinate wicked Let vs handle these things in order 1. Vnthankfulnes to God that regenerated vs by the word among you vnto the Church of Englād our mother that bare vs in calling her an harlot I answer what truth the Lord hath wrought inwardly in vs we do thankfully aknowledg I for my part do professe that in your assemblies I receaved the seedes of true faith invisible which if I had dyed not knowing the Seperation should I doubt not through Gods mercy have been effectual to my justification salvatiō in Christ but this was so invisibly judging according to the inward feeling of my hart not according to the outward censure of the word For though I could truly judg so of my self out of myne owne feeling yet I deny other men could so judg of me judging truly according to the Scriptures this I suppose none of the Seperation wil deny This is the thankfulnes which we can yeeld do yeeld to God dayly but for our visible conversion we learned it not from you therfor we deny any thākfulnes to be due vnto you for it neither do we acknowledg the church of England our mother therin but we say she is barrē beareth no children vnto the L. in respect thereof 2. Sinne you impute to vs is spiritual vncharitablenes apearing first in censuring 3. sorts of persons among you 1. The ignorant as blinded by the God of the world 2. judging them that know the Seperation do not yeeld vnto it as fearfull persons worldlings 3. such as tasting of it falling back are censured as Apostates by vs wel Mr. Bern. if the way of the Seperation be the truth as it is proved to be then I know not why it is vncharitablenes thus to censure you For it is but the censure of the holy Ghost in the scriptures in censuring of you herein wee manifest no more vncharitablenes toward you then the Scriptures teach take heed you do not blaspheme the scriptures censure through vs. Secondly our vncharitablenes appeareth say you in our vngodly desire to have the word vtterly extingnished among you Egyiptian darknes to come over you rather thē it should be preached by your false ministery I āswer you by making a demaund which is this of two sinnes viz of murther or adultery which is to be chosen I suppose you wil answer neither of them that truly so say I for this particular if it be demaunded whither wee would that the word should be vtterly extingnished or preached by your false ministery I make answer wee would neither of them but wee desire both that your false ministery were dissolved that the word might by the Kings commaundement or allowance or permission bee preached throughout his dominions by men fitted therto wherefore in this point I challendg you for an vncharitable slaunderer of vs and heer you digresse to prove that the word may bee preached without a true constitution of a Church that preaching is more necessary then a true constitution I confesse it vnfeynedly most hartily neither came the contrary into the thoughts of the brethren of the Seperation I suppose For certainly the true constitution must bee taught men must bee brought to the faith before the Church can bee constituted this is it which wee must labor for that first the word be preached by men of able gifts that men bee taught converted to the Faith then they bee established into the new Testament of Christ but you have done doe practise the contrary First you have established thē into an Antichristian communion constitution jumbling together al the people of the Land of what Religion or condition soever then you set over them a false ministery then teach them stil to