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A56314 Satan's harbinger encountered, his false news of a trumpet detected, his crooked ways in the wildrnesse [sic] laid open to the view of the impartial and iudicious being something by way of an answer to Daniel Leeds his book entituled News of a trumpet sounding in the wildernesse &c. ... / by C.P. Pusey, Caleb, 1650?-1727. 1700 (1700) Wing P4249; ESTC W31244 94,113 127

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Minister If any man speak saith the Apostle let him speak as the Oracles of God 1 Pet 4 11 then to be sure it must be from the Spirit of God which is Infallible And as God's Spirit is Infallible so are it's teachings and guidings Now that G K as well as G W c hath wrote in defence of Infallibility is clear for in his Book Inti●●led Divine immediate Revelation c p 13 not retracted we have it thus We place not an absolute Infallibility upon any person or persons whatsoever but we say the spirit of God in all it's Leadings Teachings and Motions is Infallible and men onely Conditionally so far as they receive and are in unity with those Leadings Teachings and Motions are Infallible We say further that every True Christian hath an Infallible Knowledge and Faith of all such things as are absolutely necessary to salvation But as to other things he may Err if he be not watchful to follow the Infallible Guidance of God's holy Spirit But if this Author thinketh he has no Infallible Faith or knowledge of any point of Doctrine he is a mere sceptick and unbeliever for all true Faith is Infallible That which is allible is but mere Opinion and Conjectural Likewise in his Help in time of Need he saith Are not ye as bad meaning as had as the Papists who openly affirm that ye are hot led by the Infallible Spirit and consequently not by the spirit of God Now here we see that G K ownes Infallibilias well as Friends viz. So for as they are led by the spirit of God and no Farther And if D. L. be as I●p●rtiall as he pretends to be since he hath in his p. 62. and 64. so much ridicul'd W. P. about this very matter which is exactly according to G. K's own sentiments in the point how can he let G. K. escape his censure or else send to him to retract it But doubtless he had better let it alone least by undertaking to mend one hole he make two For in the Retractation Book it self G. K. saith He is no sceptick in Religion but that he and all sincere Christians hath an Infallible Faith and perswasion in things Relating to the Fundamentall and Essential Doctrines of Christianity In his foresaid p. 129. He offers a quotation out of Win P's Rebuke to twenty one Divines p. 22. thus We are horribly abused in saying We pretend all our Ministers to be Infalible Now I am sure D. L. hath horribly abused W. P. in this matter for he hath left out the explanatory part which is this We ascribe not an Infallibility to men but to the Grace of God and to men so far as they are Led by it Tho I want severall of the Books quoted by him in that part under the Head of Temporizing Yet I shall speak a little to it to show what a medling Man he is He begins it with a Passage he says to be Geo. F's taken out of a paper Intituled To the Parliament of the Comon Weal c. Thus Let all those Abey Lands that are given to the Priests be given to the Poor of the Nation To which he opposes a Passage out of W. P's Preface to his Perswasive to Moderation Thus Far be it from me to solictit any thing in diminution of the Just rights of the Church of England Let her Rest protected where she is Answer I cannot see how G. F's Advice to the Parliament about bestowing abby Lands upon the Poor of the Nation of W. P's moderation in not soliciting for any Dimin●tion of the Church of Englands Just Rights can he said to be either 〈◊〉 or Contradictory For vnless he can prove all those Abbey Lunds that were given to the Priests either in the year 1659. the time of the Date of that Book or before to be it that time the just Rights of the Church of England it will not do any of his business at all For the Church of England hath her Rights in such suspects derived from the Authority of the Nation● And so that which may be termed her Rights under one Authority may not under another for I suppose they are not n●red any to 〈◊〉 as Alterable as the then present Authority still pleased Else how should they be now Imagin'd to be one Church of England's Rights and not Rather the Church of Romes Besides how comes W. P's moderation toward the Church of England to be Constru●d Temporizing under the Reign of a Popish Prince He proceeds to Cavil against W. P. and offers a Quotation out of England's Interest Pag. 36. in these words We say Holy Writt is the Declared Fundamental Law of Heaven whereupon D. L. says Note how W. P. Con●ounds himself or deceives his Readers or both for in his Rejoynder as aforesaid he takes up severall pages ●● prove the Scripture Corrupt and uncertain so much slighting it that he terms it J. Laldo's uncertain Word of God pag. 39. and yet here calls it The Declared Fundamental Law of Heaven Answer What W. P. saith in Englands present Interest as here cited by D. L. is either true of false if D. L. will say it 's false he Contradicts the Protestant part of the Christian World who hold and have declared holy Writt to be the outward Rule both of faith and Life and if D. L. says it 's true then he says as W. P. says besides W. P. did not lay it down as his own Judgment onely but as the belief of the Protestants in General whom he was then personating in opposition to the Popish Arrogancy of Assuming a Power to impose upon People in points of Religion tho' Contrary to Scripture and Reason And whereas W. P. says some scriptures are Corrupted Let D. L. deny that if he can his friend G. K. ownes it as I have allready shewn but who vnless a prejudic'd Adversary would find fault with two such Expressions which he himself cannot deny to be true and almost all Christendom do own and yet surely they do not mean that corrupt part to be either holy Writt or the Fundamental Law of Heaven But how D. L. comes to be so sensless as to bring in this under the head of Temporizing I must Confess he is wiser than I or I beheve himself either that can tell Next in his page 131. he cites an Epistle of E. Burroughs bearing date 1661. as follows Keep close to the Lord and to the measure of himself made manifest in your own hearts for unto that you are directed in the beginning and in it is your safety and preservation to the end but says D L afterwards W P controules this plea of E. B. in his Brief examination pag. 11. saying The Enemy Is at work to scatter the minds of Friends by that loose plea viz. what hast thou to do with me leave me to my freedom and to the Grace of God in my self c. Answer To keep Close to the Lord and to the measure
at present only mention two First Edward Burroughs in his book entituled A just and righteous Plea presented to the King of England c. declares to the King and Council in the name of the Quakers as may be seen in p. 784. 785 of his Collection hinted at above that We do acknowledge Government and Rule and Magistracy to be an Ordinance of God ordained and instituted of him to be exercised among the children of men And we beleive there ought to be Rule and Government and Authority exercized and executed in every Kingdom Nation City and Country for the end aforesaid to wit that Evil doers may be made afraid and corrected limited restrained and subdued that sin and transgression may be suppressed and truth and righteousness promoted and them that do well praised and strengthned And this is the very end of outward government of Kings Princes or other amongst men upon the Earth even that the outward man may be kept in good order and subjection in his conversation in the world and may be limited and restrained from all wrong doing or speaking against his Neighbours Person or Estate and if he do he is punishable by such just Authority 2dly The exercise and execution of this just Government over the outward man as afore described ought to be committed into the hands of saithful just and upright Men such as fear the Lord and hate covetousness and every evil way and not to drunkards lyars covetous or evil minded persons ambitious or vain glorious persons in any Nation c. And in p. 751. he hath it thus viz I have before mentioned what kind of Rulers and Governours we would have even such as are just men and men of Truth and Righteousness that hate covetousness and every evil way and such are of us c. Mark such are of us The second is Richard Hubberthorn who was also an ancient Preacher and Writer amongst the Quakers and who as did also Edward Burrough dyed so long ago as in the year 1662. In his discourse with King Charles the second the King asked him thus as may be seen in the printed account p. King How do you own Magistrates and Magistracy R. H. Thus we do own Magistrates Whosoever is set up by God whether King as Supream or any set in Authority by him who are for the punishment of evil doers and the praise of them that do well such we shall submit unto and assist in righteous and civil things both by body and estate And if any Magistrate do that which is unrighteous we must declare against it only submitting under it by a patient suffering and not rebel against any by insurrections plots or contrivances King Then the King said That is enough Now in this discource there are two things observable First That we owned Magistracy c. and Secondly We then declared We should submit to them and assist them in righteous and civil things Mark assist both by body and estate So that here we see he declared we could assist the Government in righteous and civil things not only with our Estates but also with our Bodies therefore so to do is not contrary to our ancient Friends Testimonies In p. 85. mentioning Peter Boss's tryal he has a fling at David Lloyd on this wise In the tryal of which saith he D. Lloyd being Attorney pleaded for S. J. and read a case out of an old Law book to this effect That though ●t Bishop was seen to be drunk yet he was not to be reproved In answer thereto David Lloyd denies that he brought any such instance or that he so much as knows of any such case in any Law-book whatsoever In p. 86. he gives us a pretended speech of Arthur Cook 's on this wise viz Well seeing Friends that you are not like to agree you are absolved from your Test or Oath and are discharged and we wil have another Jury that shall agree and find the bill To this Arthur Cook and others then concerned whom I have discoursed with say that No such expression dropt from him so far as they can recollect But that he did deliver his opinion That seeing the Jury could not agree another inquest should be awarded as the law in that case directs So that I have sufficient reason to conclude that this great noise is no other than a false as well as base insinuation against both the Court and Arthur Cook in order to represent them all to be such manner of persons as were resolved to have the bill found in that case right or wrong In p. 87. mentioning a law made in England That no Quaker or reputed Quaker shall serve on any Juries or bear any Office or Place of profit in the Government he makes this reflection They may see what their ill manners in Pennsilvania has brought on them c. To which I answer This I take to be as idle an insinuation as any one in his whole book As if the clause in that Law made in England were added because of G. K. Peter Boss c. their being prosecuted here a very silly groundless story In p. 88. he publisheth a letter or at least part of one in the name of G. F. relating to a book of Tho. Budd's Now that letter I know not that ever I have seen therefore for divers reasons before given I shall not credit his quotation so much as to take any farther notice of it In p. 90. he produceth a quotation said to be taken out of Richard Hubberthorn's Works wherein the said R. H. blaming a Priest saith Thou dost allow of going to Law which the apostle did not c. Now to what end should he produce this against us The most probable sense and intent of Richard Hubberthorns words being to set the Apostle's doctrine over the Priest's head in reproof of the common practice of rheir Church Members going to law with each others allowed by the Priest and that before those who in the Apostle's sense might be termed unjust the Apostle's drift being to prevent Brother's going law with Brother and to reprove therefore A practice which the Quakers allow no more of now than they did in the beginning I am now come to his Chapter 10th entituled Friends suffering to be recorded by London Meeting Which mostly concerns those of West farsey side to speak to which they may do if they see any need for it and if they do it may be added in a Postscript where also I intend to publish John Wood's vindication of himself from the aspersions cast upon him in this chapter testefied both by himself and Neighbours Only something of what he saith about Ralph Ward I shall take notice of in the next plase which take as follows In his p. 92. 93 he hath it thus In the years 1694 and 95 Ralph Ward a poor friend at Philadelphia was several times fined for conscientiously refusing to serve on Iuries and had goods taken from him to the value