Caluminator Bishop Carleton hath written an examination of Mountagues appeal And pag. 111. gives us to understand That instead of yielding his consent to that strange conceit of the parity of Ministers to be instituted by Christ which was inserted into the Belgick Confession he openly protested his dissent thereunto And I believe that such protestation was by him made in his own name and the name of those sent out of England with him But I would willingly be satisfied why the Divines of other Churches did not make such protestation also Did they think the parity of Ministers a strange conceit If they did not down falls the whole structure of Mr. Durells Book if they did why did they enter no dissent to this strange conceit And I would also be satisfied what might move our Reverend and Learned Carleton to say That the cause of all the troubles in the Belgick Church was this That they had not Bishops amongst them who by their Authority might repress those who brought in novelties Sure I am that not long after the sitting of that Synod the Arminian novelties were broached to purpose in England and yet we who wanted not Bishops either would not or could not repress the broachers of them This Reverend Prelate was Diocesan to Mr. Mountague who made it his business to infect us with Arminianism If his Episcopal power were so soveraign an Antidote against the spreading of this infection why did he never make use of it or how came it to have so little success Oh that it were not too manifest that errours may grow in a Reformed Church where Hierarchy is established I have one thing more to add which it may not be amiss here to relate The Ministers of the Palatinate being brought into a great deal of distress his late Majesty thought meet under the Broad Seal to grant them a Collection here in England for their Relief The Letters Patents being Sealed Archbishop Laud thought meet to have an Alteration made in the form of the Letters and obtained of the King to have it made It had been said that the Ministers extream miseries fell upon them for their sincerity and constancy in the true Religion which we together with them profess and because they would not submit themselves to the Antichristian yoke our most Reverend Primate thought not meet to have Popery call'd the Antichristian Yoke though it had been so called here in England by Persons as great as himself Nor did it relish with him that the Religion of the Palatinate Churches should be called the same with ours Dr. Heylin in the History of his Life pag. 306. gives the reason Because by the Religion of those Churches the Calvinian rigors about Predestination c. are received as Orthodox and because they maintain a parity of Ministers directly contrary both to the Doctrine and Government of the Church of England Either therefore what Mr. Durell saith from the Palatinate Ministers in favour of our English Hierarchy is a meer falsity or else there is some such Alteration made in the Judgment of those men of late as the world formerly knew not of or else the Archbishop and his Second laid to the charge of the Palatinate Ministers what they were not truly to be charged with I have insisted too long on this point and shall conclude it with a profession of my perswasion that if a Synod should be called made up of the most sober forreign Divines they would advise his Majesty to establish a moderated limited Episcopacy as more suited to the Generality of our English tempers than that Presbytery which the two Houses to satisfie the importunities of the Sects rather made a shew they would establish then did establish but I can as soon believe they would publish to the whole world their own Hypocrisie as advise to settle a Government by Bishops pretending to be Jure Divino superiour to the Presbyters claiming sole power of Order and Jurisdiction and exercising their Jurisdiction by Lay-Chancellors and if they would not advise this much less would they advise to silence every one that should not assent to and approve of such a Government If you can think that Mr. Durells Testimonies prove they would I beseech you then make use of your Logick reduce his Testimonies into the form of a Syllogism and if the conclusion follow from every one of his premises or from any one of them I will then humbly beg your pardon and his too Indeed some of his Testimonies are such as I much doubt whether he brought them in jest or in earnest Peter Martyr and Bogerman are made to approve the English Hierarchy pag. 252 268. Because the one did write the other speak to English Bishops by those names and titles by which they are commonly notified here in England But is not this to affront us as if we were quite void of Learning may we not as well argue from Mr. Prynn's un-Bishoping of Timothy and Titus that he also approved the English Hierarchy because he dedicates a Book with that name to the two Arch-Bishops by the Titles of Right Reverend Fathers in God Primates and Metropolitanes of all England Is not this to lay a stumbling block in the way of the blind Quakers and to make that silly Generation yet more averse from giving men those names by which they are dignified in the places where they live To suggest that a man cannot call one by the name commonly given him but he must be interpreted to approve his office and the way of coming to his office and the claim he makes to his office But it is also said of Peter Martyr that he submitted to the Bishops whilst he was in England pag. 252. Did he so In what I wonder Had they any power over the Kings Professor Could they either visit him or silence him And what if he had submitted to them must he needs submit to them as to an order of men superior by Divine Law to that Order of which he himself was Cranmer most familiar with Martyr never claim'd to be of such an Order as his Manuscript kept by Dr. Stillingfleet will witness much less did he desire Martyr or Bucer or Fagius to be reordain'd by him that they might be capable of Ecclesiastical preferments so as submission then was quite another thing to what it is now Yet even the Non-Conformists of that age thought they had wherewith to justifie their Non-Conformity and to speak as softly as is possible they did as much credit the cause of the Protestants by suffering as did any of the Conformists And if I might make comparisons none of them ever recanted for a time as Cranmer did none of them during the time of imprisonment went to Mass as Ridley had begun to do and probably had continued so to do had he not been recalled from that abomination by the Letter of his Nonconforming Friend Mr. Bradford And the exemplary courage and constancy of our Protomartyr
to be accounted the same thing not to be and not to appear and if they had appeared their appearance might perhaps make those Presbyters who gave orders without them Schismaticks it could not possible make their orders null for as formerly where our Church thought that Baptisme administred by a Midwife was valid and allowed and enjoyned her in Case of necessity to baptize the Midwife had offended if she had baptized where there was no true necessity yet this offence notwithstanding her baptisme would have been reputed valid so here if our Presbyters could confer a valid Ordination when Bishops were not at hand their Ordination must needs be valid though Bishops were at hand therefore all the dust that is raised by Mr. D. to shew some difference between the Presbyters of our own and other Churches could be designed to no other end but to blind his own and his Readers Eyes that so no notice might be taken how he got off this controversie it may be he may come nearer the mark in the point of Episcopacy it self but of that also we shall find that his Arrows fall Heavenly wide For the Non-Conformist has again and again professed in conference and writing that he can and would for peace-sake receive a Bishop that should have as great a superintendence over Presbyters as ever Cyprian had over his but they say that by assenting and consenting to the present Book of Ordination they must acknowledge a Bishop to be by divine Institution of a superiour order to a Presbyter and for this they say they can find no Foundation in Scripture and less then none in any writings of modern reformed Divines If they are mistaken either in setting our Bishops higher then they have set themselves or in making a Bishop when set to such a heighth to be an Officer unknown to Primitive or Modern Churches Mr. Durell had done a very Christian work if he had taken pains in the Spirit of meekness to shew them their mistake but he cannot sure think that he hath endeavoured any such thing He tells us page 4th and the 5th that all the Lutheran Churches have a subordination of Pastours and that those who are in them called Superintendents or Bishops have the power of Ordination as the Bishops of the Church of England have But does he believe what he himself writes does he not know that they all found their Superintendency on a human and not on a divine institution does he not know that some Lutheran Divines of eminent note do with full mouth declaim against us here in England because we so much appropriate the power of Ordination unto Bishops Tobias Major I am sure on this very score calls us Angli Papizantes let all Scholars consult Chemnitius Gerard Brockmand or any other Lutheran that writes common places or if they be too many to consult let them consult Hunnius's demonstration of the Lutheran Ministry in which they shall find him though himself a Superintendent making a Bishop in Ordination to act only as the Churches instrument and averring that if the Church should delegate her power to a Presbyter or to a Layman the Ordination would be as valid as if performed by a Bishop The Non-Conformists have no quarrel against the name either of Superintendent or Bishop nor will it be any satisfaction to them to shew them Ecclesiastical Persons in the Lutheran Churches dignified by the name of Superintendents or Episcopi unless it could also be shewed that they claim that dignity by divine right and are received by the Elders as an Order of men superiour to them the which will never be shewed nay it will easily be proved that meer Presbyters have ordained those who in Germany and Denmark go by the name of Bishops and Super-intendents Nicholas Amsdorft as appears in his Life written by Melchior Adam was created Bishop but by whom was he created by Martin Luther the Pastour of the place where the Ordination was solemnized and two Pastours more Now did these set this Bishop into an order superiour to their own if they did who gave them authority so to do if they did not then his Title notwithstanding he was still of the Order of Presbyters and those that were afterwards ordained by him were ordained but by a Presbyter Likewise in Denmark when Reformation there first began seven Bishops of the Kingdome being cast out there were seven Super-intendents ordained who were to do the work of the expelled Bishops and to be Executors of the whole Ecclesiastical Ordination but by whom were these seven ordained even by John Bugenhagh who was but a Presbyter as may be seen in his Life written by the forementioned Author so that such Episcopacy as is scrupled by the English Non-Conformist has no place in any Lutheran Churches and if not in the Lutheran I am sure not in the reformed Churches Yet Mr. Durell in many places of his Book makes shew as if the Episcopacy quarrelled against here in England had place in some reformed Churches and that those very Churches among whose Ministers there is an equality do not condemn Episcopal Government the French Churches he is certain page 13. are so far from averseness to it that they rather wish they were in a condition to enjoy that sacred order Now what means he by that sacred Order if he do not mean an Order by Divine appointment superiour to the order of Presbytery he doth most egregiously trifle If he do mean such an Order I say that as many French Divines as do desire such an Order are manifestly fallen off from the confession exhibited to Charles 9th 1561. the 30th Article whereof is this We believe that all true Pastours in what place so ever they are set are all endued with the same and equal power among themselves under that one head and chief and sole universal Bishop Jesus Christ And if any Ministers of the Belgick Churches do either desire or could approve of the English Hierarchy they also must fall off from the Belgick Confession which in the Synod of Dort was reviewed and approved for if that Confession had no inimicous aspect upon the Church Government in Britain why did our Divines of England approve only that part of it which related to Doctrine not that which related to Discipline Our Prelates and their Friends in England do very much build their Hierarchy upon Ignatius his Epistles If the French Churches did not dislike the building why do the most Learned of them take so much pains to ruine and pull up the Foundation why have Blondel Salmasius Dally so long employed their Pens to prove the Epistles even in the best Edition to be spurious I know Mr. Durell tells a story concerning Blondel that in his Apology for the opinion of Hierom he had inserted a passage which some Scotch Ministers prevailed with him to blot out in which he declares himself to be no Enemy unto Primitive Episcopacy if that be true he did not sure
John Rogers a very rigid Nonconformist did greatly animate Bishop Ridly as he himself acknowledges I please not my self in these comparisons should not have made them had not Mr. Durell's pen dropt somwhat a foul blot upon the name of Bishop Hooper's friend Peter Martyr whom he will needs represent to be so simple as to scruple the Cap because of its Mathematicalness But he was too wise to scruple the Cap on any such account And hath better deserved of the English Church than that he should so many years after his death be so flouted at as also Bishop Hooper should have had more reverence shew'd him than to be charged as he is pag. 239. with a strange weakness for sticking at our Ceremonies Let us now see how well Mr. Durell hath acquitted himself about forms of Prayer It must be acknowledg'd he hath sufficiently prov'd from the Testimonies of Reformed Divines that forms of Prayer of humane composition are not unlawful but the same thing had been long ago proved to his hand by a Nonconformist Minister Mr. John Ball in his Discourse against Separation as also by Dr. John Hoornbek in his Epistle touching Independency so that I cannot wel tel what it was that made Mr. Durell so copious on this subject unless he thought it wisdom to drive that nail which would go I do assure him I never yet met with a Presbyterian that thought forms of Prayer unlawful or that thought it simply unlawful for a Church to agree upon forms of Prayer to be used by Ministers in the Publick Congregation But if he can either prove that it is lawful for the Church to allow her Ministers no Liberty to use their own gifts for Prayer in the Publick or prove that our English Church hath left her Ministers any such Liberty then shall he do Knight-service In the first undertaking he will have the Presbyterians his adversaries In the second he will have Dr. Heylin and many others as Canonical as himself to cope with I have heard a Presbyterian disputing against sundry Passages in the Common-Prayer Book and wondring why the Convocation should tye all Colledges and Halls to make use thereof without any omission or alteration when as there is not in the whole Book any one Petition for the Universities and I was heartily troubled that I had not wherewith to remove my Friends admiration But had I ever heard him say that a Form of Prayer was a breach of the second Commandment I should have pittied his Ignoranc as I unfeignedly do the Ignorance of all those who account it any glory to a Reformation to leave in it no helps for some Ministers Infirmities In this number cannot be placed either the Assembly of Divines or the two Houses of Parliament that convened them They both intended the Directory that Ministers might if need were have some help and furniture in their Administrations and truly it was so sufficient an help and furniture that he who needed other could scarce be thought worthy to be a servant of our Lord Jesus Christ in the work of the Ministry Here I must be pardon'd if I reprove the presumption of Mr. Durell who trembles not pag. 3. to lay to the charge of Lords and Commons and Assembly of Divines the delivering of manifest untruths The untruths are there said to be First That the Common Prayer Book had prov'd an offence to the Reformed Churches abroad Secondly That it was abolish'd to answer the expectations of other Reformed Churches I say those are no untruths The Common-Prayer Book had proved an offence to the Reformed Churches abroad Apollonius hath signified so much in reference to the Walachrian Churches and others as famous as Apollonius have given us to understand as much in relation to the Churches of which they were Ministers as the Latine Apologist hath too plainly proved and can any one imagine that some Ceremonies prescribed in the Liturgy were not an offence to Martyr and Zanchy Perhaps those learned men did not count them simply unlawful but certainly they were offended with them and wisht them remov'd Was it no offence to any Reformed Churches that so many Legends out of the Apocrypha were appointed to be read in our Temples No offence to Reformed Churches that Infants Baptized were affirmed to to be undoubtedly saved Less colour is there to say there was a manifest untruth in asserting that the Common-Prayer Book was taken away to answer the expectation of other Reformed Churches For it is notorious that the Churches of Scotland and new-New-England did expect from the Parliament the abolition of the Liturgy and certainly they might with propriety enough be called other Reformed Churches if none besides them had expected the said abolition as we can prove some others did I must also crave leave to censure the Manifesto of Mr. Durell publisht with a Noverint universi Let all the world know that there never was nor is yet any Reformed Church that hath onely a Directory and not a Book of Common-Prayer for the publick worship of God I ask were there no Reformed Churches in the times of the Apostles or men Apostolical I trow there were Yet it is certain saith Capellus that then there was no Prescript Form of Liturgy nor doth that Author give us any notice of any Prescript Liturgies untill Leaders and Doctors grew idle were there when his Manifesto was published no Reformed Churches in new-New-England or had these Churches Books of Common-Prayer and why I strange are Directory and Book of Common-Prayer made opposit were there not in some Reformed Churches Books of Common-Prayer that were appointed to be used but as Directories it being left free to the Ministers either to use those Printed Prayers or any other agreeable to them this freedome I am sure sundry eminent and worthy Divines in Holland have all along used Mr. Durell indeed saith that there is not one Minister in all Franoe but hath made unto himself a set Form which he useth alwaies and no other pag. 18. which is certainly a bold assertion and supposeth him to have had conference with every Minister in France or to have received Letters from every one or at least to have employ'd Agents that had made enquiry concerning every one which if true would argue him a man of wonderful intelligence Did never any one Minister in all France make unto himself above one set Form of Prayer Did and doth every one of them precisely keep himself to those very words which he put together when he first entred into his Ministry Did never any one after God had restored him to his Congregation from some eminent sickness put in any one word to express his sense of Divine Goodness I will here suspend my belief till I have received some farther Information or can better tell in what sense Mr. Durell would have his words taken for it may be he would have his own Phrases expounded as he himself pag. 17. expounds some Phrases in one of
to be found and had not this man then well read and studied the Book to which he so solemnly gave assent and consent I profess where-ever I come I make it my business to reconcile people to the publick Assemblies my Conscience would fly in my face if I should do otherwise but I find my self unable to prevail with them through the prejudice they have taken up against the Liturgy and their prejudices are grounded for the most part upon the wicked lives of those that are the most constant Readers and frequenters of it I shall never upon this account cease to joyn in prayers and to hear Sermons but yet I rejoyce that a great Prelate lately in his Visitation openly declared in his Speech his resolution to proceed and deal more severely against those who should be found loose and profane than against those that differed from him only in Ceremonies The Lord give hearts to those whom it concerns to think immorality worthy of presentment and to set a mark upon all whose feet run into all excess of Riot and whose Tongues are set on fire from Hell that so we may have wherewith to stop the mouths of those who are bent upon Separation and employ their Rhetorick in nothing more than in perswading the people that God is departed from us It would be a small trouble to me to find the Non-conformists disarmed did I find the Weapons of their Warfare put into the hands of those who would use them more to the disadvantage of the World Flesh and Devil I have mentioned one thing that makes Mr. D. not the fittest person in the World to manage this Controversie that is his not being free from at least the suspicion of Covetousness I will suggest one or two more He seems to be very injudicious and therefore puts into his Book such cold Commendations of Church and Liturgy as do only not dispraise it I instance only in Monsieur Vauqueline whom he brings in Pag. 189. thus extolling our Liturgy The Book of Common Prayer is very far from any Idolatry and there is not in it any formal Superstition Is not this a rare Elogium But above all he disparages himself by giving flattering Titles unto men Pag. 87. he tells us that Monsieur Goyen is as versed in Antiquity as possible a Commendation too high to be given to any man and such as that Reverend persons worth will never suffer him to accept of or so much as to commend the love of him who gave it let any one read the Epistle Dedicatory to his Book he will find the Lord Chancellour so highly commended that any one may see the Commendations were rather given to his Place than to his Virtues all the Authority of the Nation hath lately sentenced him to Banishment and yet Mr. D. could not find so much humility as either to bewail his fault or his unhappiness who had bestowed such praises in a printed letter upon him whom the Kingdom has declared to have deserved ill of it and of the Church too I may well think you will begin to say what is all this to the Latine Book that I sent you Or how can I by all you have hitherto writ perceive your Judgment about it Surely Sir the things I have noted out of the English Book are sufficient to let you see that his 2d Book is not worth your reading Scarcely can you find more words put together to less purpose The very Title-Page sufficiently exposes him either to the scorn or pity of those whom he chose for his Adversaries Vindiciae Sacrae Ecclesiae Anglicanae What is this Holy English Church Does he mean that Company of men and women in England who exercise themselves therein that they may be holy as God is holy Quis Lacedaemoniorum vituperat Why is this Church vindicated that no sober man ever went about to accuse If by the Holy Church of England he mean the late Convocation then he hath written as our Episcopal men are wont to write and by the Canons of 1603. it is made a very dangerous point to deny that a Convocation is the Church of England by Repraesentation and I have no mind to try how near I can come to that danger without incurring it Seeing Mr. D. has professed with thankfulness that he learned Divinity under Amyraldus he may do well to try whether he can confute his Master in his Theses de Ecclesia nomine ac definitione and de ratione convocandorum Conciliorum which do not look very smilingly upon that form of Speech which we use in England or upon the way of constituting our Convocations Mr. Jeanes a man of a very Scholastical Head had called the Convocation The Church of England but in the Second part of his Divinity he wonders upon what account he or any one else could think it to be the Church of England he instances in his own Diocess in which there was one Dean one Prebend three Arch-Deacons whereas the whole Clergy of the Diocess chose but two so that he thinks our Convocations may be rather called Repraesentatives of the Bishops and Cathedrals than of the Church of En-England And he asks whether if the King should chuse two hundred into the House of Commons and the people one that Meeting could be called the Representative of the People of England Mr. D. who has used this Title should have done well to give satisfaction to such kind of Questions is these and to have shewed us Synods in other Churches the Major part of the Members whereof are neither chosen by the people nor by the Clergy instead of doing so he hath left it doubtful what he means by the Church And it is much more doubtful to me whom he means by his Schismaticks against whose vociferations he pretends to defend his Church When you have called a man Schismatick you have call'd him every thing but I believe no man in the world thinks that all those against whom he vents his spleen in this Book deserve to be called Schismaticks I am sure according to the definition of Schisme that is given by Dr. Hammond they are not Schismaticks Mr. D. seems to thrust out his sharpest sting against Mr. Baxter Now it is notoriously known that he constantly went to the publick Congregation it s known also that he has in the publick Congregation received the Sacrament of the Lords Supper according to the form that is by Law established he has Communion with the Church of England in all Ordinances takes a great deal of pains to resolve the doubts of those who scruple Communion with her and yet is in Mr. D's account one of the Heads of the Schismaticks Let him take heed that he do not throw this dirt into such mens faces if he do it will fly back into his own The Case of hundreds of Non-conformists stands thus When they were School-boyes or Under-graduates in the University the King called the so much talked of Long-Parliament in which
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controversies relating to Religion which of all others require to be managed with exemplary moderation and meekness but seeing you have thought meet to be so bountiful as to bestow a Book on me which must needs cost you sundry shillings and seeing you have desired of me for a requital of your cost and charges to throw away some time upon it I should be extreamly uncivil and unthankful if I should not bestow a few hours in reading of it or so much of it as may be sufficient to pass a judgement upon the whole the which yet I cannot so well do until I have first given my censure of that English Treatise printed 1662 the answering whereof in a Latin Apology for the Nonconformists has produced these voluminous Vindiciae and of that Treatise my censure in brief is this that a Noncomformist cannot better secure himself against it then by standing at the mark at the which its Author pretends to shoot all his Arrows The controversies betwixt Conformists and Non-Conformists being brought to their true State it will appear that Mr. Durell either never knew them or was afraid to come near them To instance in a few particulars of many Several hundreds of Ministers during the late distractions were ordained by meer Presbyters they only having courage enough to confer orders publickly and solemnly with Fasting Prayer and imposition of hands None of these would the Bishops admit to Ecclesiastical employment unless they would submit to be re-ordained with and by that very form of Ordination which is used for the Translating of Laicks into the state of Clergymen Here two Questions arise first Whether a valid Ordination may be repeated and that the far greater part as well of Conformists as Non-Conformists deny the second therefore and only remaining Question is Whether an Ordination by meer Presbyters be valid if it be not we nullifie the most famous Churches beyond the Seas whom God has so remarkably owned and supported amid all the troubles and persecutions of their Popish Adversaries if it be valid then by the judgement even of the very Conformists no other Ordination can be received Mr. Durell was unwilling to annihilate those Churches in which he was baptized and yet was as unwilling to justifie the English Presbyterians in not submitting to Re-ordination and therefore wisely passed over these Questions in silence but being by the Latin Apologist reprove for omitting so Capital a controversie he grows more hardy and adventures to affirm the Case of the Presbyterians beyond the Sea and those in England is not the same because among them there are no Bishops as among ours there were and so they are defended by necessity which ours cannnot plead How much better had it been to have left this sore naked and exposed to the Eyes of all than to have used a Plaister that can neither Cure nor cover it Is the Case of Transmarine and English Presbyterians so vastly different Why is the same hard measure meeted out to both How comes it to pass that if a man ordained at Rome could obtain leave of himself to assent and consent he were capable of the highest Ecclesiastical dignities but if a man were ordained at Geneva the most unfeigned assent and consent will not qualify him for Ecclesiastical dignities unless he will also receive new Orders Was it so from the beginning either of our first or second Reformations were any of those that either in the persecutions of King Henry the eight or Queen Mary fled beyond the Seas and received orders in reformed Churches looked upon at their return as meer Lay-men our Histories tell us they were not nor would the right Reverend and Learned Bishop Morton so far scandalize the Neighbour Churches as to re-ordain one of their Ministers though strongly importuned so to do by a Letter of the dissembling Archbishop of Spalato Nor could Bishop Báncroft be induced to give way that the Scotch Divines should first be made Priests before they were Bishops although it was alleadged that they had never been made Priests but by Presbyters So as this custom of Presbyterifying de novo those that before had received the gift of Presbytery must needs be an innovation here in England of the which I wish I could give a more fair and plausible account unto Forreigners then for the present I am able For it would greatly dishearten those renowned Ministers abroad who live under a King of a different Religion from them to come over to our Nation for a Sanctuary if they must when come hither break the Seal that God hath set to their Ministry before they be admitted to any cure of Souls 2. I say this pretended difference is no difference at all for what though there were Bishops in England yet did they not appear to magnifie their offices And it hath been wont
that he should make a Liturgy differing from the Liturgies of Q. Eliz. and K. James and K. Charles I. I must needs say that is no false accusation Mounsieur Chabret in his Letter recorded pag. 82. Doth not say that it was reported Archbishop Laud had compiled a new Liturgy for the Church of England but onely that a new one was compilled by him which had occasioned much clamour and been the ground of fears and jealousies Now I beseech Mr. Durell to tell me Did not Arch-bishop Laud compile a Liturgy for the Scotch Nation if he did not let those who have charged him so to do in allowed writings be confuted If he did compile that Liturgy or which is all one direct those who compiled it I am sure it did differ from ours and occasioned much clamour raised many fears and jealousies which at last ended in a war betwixt the two Nations Yea there were some few alterations made by the said Archbish or some of his Creatures in the Liturgy for our own Church which were not very well relished by those that never were enemies to the legally established Government what those alterations were may be seen in the Dedicatory of Mr. Prynn's Quench Coal But I must give check to my running pen and take notice of some â—â—ner failures against truth p. 8. Mr. Durell thus Pâ—â—â—sifieth Oecolampadius who reformed the City of Basil is stiled Bishop of that Church upon his Tomb of which Bellarmine himself was an eye witnes in his time much against his will for this we are referred to Bellar. de notis Eecles l. 4 c. 8. where Bellarm. indeed does tell us That he was at Basil and there saw the inscription on Oecolampadius his Tomb and read it not without laughter Now it is hard to conceive that he should see that much against his will the sight whereof caused laughter in him but the truth is Bellar. laughter was ridiculous for the words upon the Tomb are not Primus hujus urbis Episcopus as Bellarm. quotes them but Author Evangelicae doctrinae in hac urbe primus Episcopus indeed he is called but how Hujus Templi verus Episcopus and if such an Episcopus will do Mr. Durell any pleasure he most be a very humoursome man that will envy him such a pleasure Ninthly Page 13. He fears not to affirme That all understanding men among the French Churches say plainly that if God Almighty were pleased that all France should embrace the Reformed Religion as England hath the Episcopal Government must of necessity be established in their Churches That all understanding men should say this and say it plainly is certainly a all understanding men were never heard to speak about this matter and should they be called together to speak they would not utter any such speech as is here fathered on them it is scarce sence to say if all France should embrace the Reformed Religion as England hath for certainly all England hath not embraced the Reformed Religion the more the pity and what necessity could there be if France should generally embrace the Reformed Religion that Episcopal Government should be established in it I am not more certain that ever I saw the Sun than I am certain that many understanding Frenchmen will never be brought to say that Episcopal Government must necessarily be established Tenthly Page 27. Having told us the Helvetick Confession does vehemently approve of the observation of some Holy-days he dreads not to tell us That the Ministers of the Church of Scotland subscribed that Confession An. 1566. the Ministers of that Church being then of another Judgment and of a temper far different from that their Successors have shewed of latter years Whereas the Scotch Ministers who subscribed the Helvetick Confession subscribed it with express exception of that part of it which concerns the observation of the Holy-days and so as to that matter plainly shewed themselves to be of the same temper and Judgment with their Successors as plainly appears from the Records of that Church Let the World judge what credit is to be given to Mr. Durell concerning remote Churches who relates things so contrary to truth about a neigbour Church Eleventhly Page 28. He would perswade us That the Crosses have not been pulled down from the top of Churches unless perhaps in som popular Storm but we can tell him of Crosses that have been taken from the top of Churches by the Magistrates appointment and with the Ministers aprobation which things are not to be found in a popular Storm Twelfthly P. 29. He bears us in hand That the Bohemians have solemn dedication of Churches which Ceremony is to be performed with them by the Bishop in the same manner as with us here in England Which words I know not how to reconcile to truth For what Law is there among us enjoyning Churches to be Consecrated by a Bishop or where may a man find the form and manner of Consecraring a Church here in England or read the Prayers with the which the Consecration is to be performed how shall I be able to convince Parishoners that they are bound to desire the Consecration of their newly built or newly inlarged Churches or the Bishop that he is bound to undertake this Consecra .. I though he be not desired and must the Diocesan bear the charges of his journey or have them born by the people sundry such questions as these need resolution which is a sign that the Laws and Canons now in force concern not themselves at all in this business of Consecraition 13thly Pag. 30. Mr. D. bears witness against the Directorians which is either non-sense or a falsity for these are his words At Bazil in the Cathedral Church they have their Fonts of Stone and use them for the baptism of Infants as we do here they have use them alike in the City of Breme and so in other places by which we see they are not of the same judgment with the Directorians who find Popery and Superstition in the very placing of them If the meaning of these words be that the Directorians find Popery and Superstition in placing of Fonts as they are placed at Bazil and Breme it is a perfect calumny if the meaning be that the Directorians find Popery and Superstition in some kind of placing of the Fonts how can a man thence gather that they of Breme and Bazil are not of the same judgment with the Directorians all that the Directory orders is that Baptisme be administred in the face of the Congregation where the people may most conveniently see and hear and not in the places where Fonts in the time of Popery were unfitly and superstitiously placed Here is no finding of Popery and Superstition in the very placing of Fonts but onely a prohibiting the administration of Baptisme in the places where Fonts in the time of Popery were unfitly and superstitiously placed and what I wonder could move the Papists to place their Fonts where
but giving them this grain of allowance their position though well meant by them will be found neither sound nor safe Let Mr. D. therefore warn those for whom he designed his Book against this Tenent let all men understand that the English Non-Conformists are of a quite contrary Judgment For they say unanimously that all wicked men have a true Right to all that whether Authority or Estate unto which they came by due and lawful means and that God will never punish them because they had no right to the Estates they came honestly to but because they did not use their Estates aright I have onely one request more to make to you and by you to all your Friends and it is a very reasonable one namely that you and they would rather credit the Kings Declaration concerning the English Presbyterians than Mr. D's either English or Latine Book This one desire being granted the Presbyterians are as safe as an Amulet can make them Object You will say If they only suffer beyond the Seas through Mr. D's misrepresentation why have not I so much Charity as to reply upon his Book and make in Latin as once Mr. Nichols did in English a Plea for the Innocent Answ Truly Sir because I have found by Observation that it is in vain to disarm him who hath a Panoply in the very next Dunghil to which he comes there is no dealing with him who First Will deny matters of fact without Reason Secondly Will not take notice of the true state of the Controversie Thirdly Will never yield though he have nothing to say for himself Such an one is Mr. D. For if you look into his Book you fill find him charging the Apologist with Fables and Legends that is in plain English giving him the Lye and yet never giving the least Reason to perswade the World that the things written by him were false He calls it a Fable that any man should be reported to give Counsel advise to have the surplice after it was worn out burnt to ashes the Ashes put into an Urn buried under the Altar and yet this very thing I have heard strongly and stoutly asserted by more than one Conformist who if need require would not be ashamed to testifie it publickly Also he would have it a Fable that a man who had threatned a Minister for not reading the Common Prayer should being sick send for him and desire him to pray for him not making use of the Common-Prayer but this as it was long since Printed by Giles Firmin so it will be verified when he pleases That Bishop Saunderson should desire to have Prayers read him out of the whole Duty of Man he would also have to be a Fable but the Chaplain who read them told me and others so and I suppose is too honest a man to deny what he said before so many As for his not taking notice of the true state of any Controversie I refer you to his Book to what part or parcel soever of it you shall please to chuse If I mistake not very near his Conclusion he has a Chap. with this Title Whether Calvin more favoured Schismatical Presbyterians or Prelates Can you think that ever there was such a Controversie on foot in England Did any one offer to say that Calvin had favourable thoughts of Schismaticks The Question is whether Calvin ever thought Prelacy to be by Divine appointment an Order Superiour to Presbytery And whether he would have all those thrown out of the Ministry who cannot acknowledge it so to be if any thing of Calvins be by Mr. D. brought to this purpose then will I have a quarrel against him that first taught me to construe Latine Take another instance the Apologist had wondered that the Non-Conformists were put upon promising That they would read the Psalter according to the Old English Translation when as we have in our Bibles a New one that is much better he instanced in a few odd and uncouth Translations Now what does Mr. D. upon this Why he asks whether if the Translation be corrupt a man ought rather to forsake his Ministry than to read a corrupt Translation as if the Non conformists had had nothing required of them but only to read the old Translation of the Psalms Yet I confess all these things would not discourage me from taking him to task had I any hopes that he had not taught his forehead not to blush but who would shoot at him that is become unpenetrable I will tell you one Story Mr. D. in the presence of a Noble Person of this Nation said That all the French Ministens disowned the Presbyterian Non Conformists in England that Honourable person presently replied To my knowledge that is not so Nay Some of the French Ministers look upon you as a kind of Apostate for doing what you have done here in England Mr. D. replying They be onely some few hot-headed men that so think it was presently returned by the same Noble Person Nay the men that think so are very Reverend and worthy Divines Yet our Vindex never changed the Copy of his Countenance and what then can you think is to be done with such a man Besides he hath abused Dr. Manton the Author of the Comment upon James and Jude and Mr. Baxter the Author of the Saints Everlasting Rest and of the Learned Discourse against Atheisme and Infidelity and which will render him more odious beyond the Seas he hath most shamefully abused Mr. Gattaker than whom England hath not had a more Learned Critick or profund Divine nor doth he spare the gray-hairs of old Gisbert Voet the only surviving Member of the Venerable the Synod of Dort and he that shall dare to touch such as these wlll not long want a man that shall let him know quid distent aera lupinis For your part my Worthy Friend all you can desire of me in requital of your Civility is but this that I declare my self ready as by these presents I do to remove any scruple that is left in you by the reading of that grand Volumne send me that passage in which you think Mr. D. hath the Non-conformists at the greatest disadvantage If I do not return you a sudden and satisfactory answer then say I have not judged fairly and candidly concerning your Author If you are not at leisure to take this pains employ our worthy friend S. E. who is grown sufficiently zealous for Conformity through whose Pen Mr. D. to be sure will suffer no disadvantage Let him cull out the very best Argument in all this Vindex his Book if I do not forthwith reply to it and that rationally provided the Argument be directed against the Cause and not against particular Persons I will then set a Seal upon my Lips so as never more to plead in done you of Non-Conformity till that be the behalf will give me leave to remain what I am A peaceable desirer of some indulgence for those whom I never found to be humour some but Conscientious and Your humble Servant W. B.